Ginobili/Jefferson for Grant Hill/Stoudemire

[jagland2003]

Ginobili & Jefferson for Grant Hill & Stoudemire. Does anyone know where This rumor got started?

[ElNono]

I don't know, but I don't see the legs on it. Do contracts even match?

[CGD]

Ginobili & Jefferson for Grant Hill & Stoudemire. Does anyone know where This rumor got started?

Probably by you.

[5in10]

Probably by you.

[FvckMavs]

by you.

[Juanobili]

Ginobili & Jefferson for Grant Hill & Stoudemire. Does anyone know where This rumor got started?

I first heard about it HERE (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146460)

we'll see what happens

[I. Hustle]

AAAWWWWW I just got rickrolled!

[jason1301]

not sure how i feel about this trade, but it does make our roster more balanced.

[yavozerb]

Why not post this in the trade speculation thread? :bang

[Muser]

Cool

[MaNu4Tres]

Yeah this topic can't go in the trade speculation thread.

Raising the bar one thread at at time...

[edgar]

Ibtl !!!

[Dr. Gonzo]

Great Thread!

[MaNu4Tres]

Jagland should get a spur for this thread.

[Bruno]

http://twitter.com/Question210/status/8945240568

[lefty]

:wow
http://twitter.com/Question210/status/8945240568

[ElNono]

http://i46.tinypic.com/7095yr.png

[Wombatzu]

well, if it's on Twitter it must be true...

Jefferson would be a decent fit in Phoenix, probably, but i don't see why they would take on RJ's $15m next year to avoid just the possibility of paying Amare $17m.

[clubalien]

grant hill is a great basketball player A sure allstar talent. However, he was a FA back when Tim was a fa so he might have lost some of his hoops.

If grant hill can play anything like what i think if nothing else he will bring some fan enjoyment. I just am a little nervous since who knows he might bring the performance of RJ.

I guess stoudemire is just a throw in to make the trade work. I think most people believe we should go after Bosh instead of lebron in FA. How will this affect our chances of landing them?

[Marcus Bryant]

At this point the Spurs will be lucky to find anyone to take Jefferson off their hands. And there's the homecoming angle.

Still, what a steep discount from where things stood before the season. But, then again, the Spurs got Jefferson for crap themselves. It's unfortunate that he hasn't worked out, but the price paid and the fact that you do that trade if it's available anytime softens that.

Manu is the real disappointment. Where would this team be if Mother Argentina didn't F up the program? Of course, at this point his price for an extension should be heavily discounted itself.

On the surface, seems a fair enough deal. Not a season changer, IMO, unless Amare's D will magically improve.

[Fpoonsie]

:lol Could you imagine Manu playin for PHO?

I like Hill and all, but this thread made me giggle.

[Marcus Bryant]

Likely the Spurs would take back another contract from Phoenix, if this was to go down.

[yavozerb]

http://twitter.com/Question210/status/8945240568

:lol, oh brother, now twitter messages off some kids phone is going to lead to rumours..Bruno, why????

[ElNono]

This is the only way I can make ends meet... I don't know that the Spurs want to take on more salary though...

http://i45.tinypic.com/33tgn80.png

[Fpoonsie]

And, not to give this proposal any merit, but expect Stoudemire's game to nose-dive w/o a pass-first PG.

Anyways, back to :loling

[Marcus Bryant]

Assuming Manu's gone otherwise, then there would be a slight increase, but that would be cushioned by the fact that you wouldn't have to extend Manu.

Another thing to consider is that if the Spurs don't move Manu, then they'd be likely forced into extending him by the fanbase (IMO).

What we have to come to terms with is that Manu will never be back to the Manu the championship level series closer of old.

[lurker23]

I guess stoudemire is just a throw in to make the trade work. I think most people believe we should go after Bosh instead of lebron in FA. How will this affect our chances of landing them?

Even if the Spurs manage to dump RJ's contract, they won't have enough cap space to offer those players max contracts.

As far as the general topic of this thread goes, I said it before when the original Amare rumors came about: I'm willing to give up RJ, but not Manu. Simple as that in my mind.

[Marcus Bryant]

I guess the Spurs could end the Duncan era like the Bird era in Boston, no longer a serious title contender, but the old crew plays together almost to the end.

[Fpoonsie]

I guess the Spurs could end the Duncan era like the Bird era in Boston, no longer a serious title contender, but the old crew plays together almost to the end.

The sentimental side of me is perfectly fine w/ that. The '03, watching Dave leave the game a champ w/ a bunch of up-and-comers side of me is not.

I suppose there's a bit of sentiment in both, but whatevs...

[IronMexican]

:rollin I am sure Phoenix would love to pay to keep RJ around for 3 years

[lurker23]

:rollin I am sure Phoenix would love to pay to keep RJ around for 3 years

Or 1.25 years, whichever.

[bigdog]

Or 1.25 years, whichever.

:lol

[IronMexican]

Or 1.25 years, whichever.

He's an expiring next season? I actually thought he was there till the end of the season after the next. Oh well. Now I get to look like a retard. What a dumbass that ironmexican is. Still, I see no sentiment by Phoenix to do it. Amare is a huge expiring.

[lurker23]

He's an expiring next season? I actually thought he was there till the end of the season after the next. Oh well. Now I get to look like a retard. What a dumbass that ironmexican is. Still, I see no sentiment by Phoenix to do it. Amare is a huge expiring.

I'm not positive what the Suns' angle is either. Personally, I think RJ would fit in nicely with their style, and perhaps they think the same way. However, I think they could probably get better than RJ for Amare. For example, I would probably take Beasley from Miami (a deal that's said to be on the table) before I'd take RJ's contract.

[TimmehC]

He's an expiring next season? I actually thought he was there till the end of the season after the next. Oh well. Now I get to look like a retard. What a dumbass that ironmexican is. Still, I see no sentiment by Phoenix to do it. Amare is a huge expiring.

Maybe Pop has convinced Kerr that RJ is a power forward.

[Wombatzu]

Still, I see no sentiment by Phoenix to do it. Amare is a huge expiring.

Amare is threatening to exercise his option for $17m or so, which is why there are no takers yet... no one wants to pay him that next year.

[SpurNation]

Amare is threatening to exercise his option for $17m or so, which is why there are no takers yet... no one wants to pay him that next year.

The Spurs would if they are going to be paying RJ approximately the same amount anyway.

But...this deal doesn't make sense for the Suns. What do they gain by allowing Amare to go without having another big on the team to take his place?

They're (Phoenix) 10 games behind the Lakers and a decent record to boot.

But if this has any merit and does go down....I'd be fine with it. Especially if the continuation (developmentation) of small ball is gong to be the "new" way of the Spurs...Amare would be the perfect player to use.

I've always liked Barbosa (if he's included to make it work) and in the past wondered why the Spurs let him go because he always fit that role of defensive perimeter guy that can hit the 3.

Grant Hill?....apparently still playing at a decent level at 29mpg.

I don't know...I never would have thought of this to be a possibility but stranger things have happened in this league.

[SpurNation]

Was just tinkering...but this worked:
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5449862

[clubalien]

Wait so is this actually coming out from a legit news source?

it has been confirmed on twitter

[HarlemHeat37]

Read my question again.

:lol


I say no thanks to this, unless the FO feels like Manu is going to leave..

[yavozerb]

OMG, now we have people thinking twitter is a legit news source..:bang

[Whisky Dog]

I guess the Spurs could end the Duncan era like the Bird era in Boston, no longer a serious title contender, but the old crew plays together almost to the end.

That sent the Cs into a 2 decade long spiral of suck. Not what we want here.

[rascal]

I might be one of the few here who still wants to keep jefferson. The problem is in the way he is being used.

Pop needs to get the team to get out and run more and Jefferson's entire game will get a boost.

[yavozerb]

I think jefferson would do much better on the 2nd unit due to the fact the offense would probably be run more through him and he could dominate the ball a little more.

[alchemist]

Why would the Suns do this? This makes zero sense to me. (Unless RJ agrees to opt out this year which takes 24 million off the Suns checkbook)

[I. Hustle]

Yeah I hope Pop just let's Jefferson run... all the way to Phoenix.

[rascal]

Assuming Manu's gone otherwise, then there would be a slight increase, but that would be cushioned by the fact that you wouldn't have to extend Manu.

Another thing to consider is that if the Spurs don't move Manu, then they'd be likely forced into extending him by the fanbase (IMO).

What we have to come to terms with is that Manu will never be back to the Manu the championship level series closer of old.


It would be a big mistake to extend manu only because of the fanbase and not because the Spurs really believe he is worth it.

[phxspurfan]

I guess the Spurs could end the Duncan era like the Bird era in Boston, no longer a serious title contender, but the old crew plays together almost to the end.

I thought about this the other day too...how cool would it have been if we had kept Oberto, KT and Bowen? Our chemistry would still be good, Parker would average an additional assist and some more points (probably be an all star), Manu would still suck but Duncan and Pop wouldn't be sad.

[Xylus]

Would never happen.

If the Suns are trading Amare, it'll be for youth.

[Muser]

Jerry West got the Lakers Pau, Kerr gets the Spurs Amare?


:blah

[scottspurs]

I don't think Amare will end up on the Spurs, but one has to wonder what a force he could be on both sides of the ball if he was told to worry about defense before offense.

Amare has never really been on a defensive minded team so this trade would be interesting. It would either wind up being a brilliant trade or a complete bust.

Their are only two reasons we trade Manu:

1. The Front office thinks he doesn't have much left or

2. The Front office has a hunch Manu won't give them a hometown discount to resign because I don't think the Spurs are going to pay Manu much more than he is getting now.

[Xylus]

Amare's not a defensive-minded player, but that doesn't mean he can't play defense. He's sure as hell a better post defender than Channing Frye.

[Thompson]

2. The Front office has a hunch Manu won't give them a hometown discount to resign because I don't think the Spurs are going to pay Manu much more than he is getting now.

More? I wouldn't give him but around half of what he's currently getting, and even that's on condition that he doesn't play for the NT any more. They've already blown two years of $10 million + on him so he could play with his NT.

[dbestpro]

I'd give Manu 15 mil for 3 years. Last year partial guarantee. Pretty much the same as Dice's deal. No more.

[scottspurs]

More? I wouldn't give him but around half of what he's currently getting, and even that's on condition that he doesn't play for the NT any more. They've already blown two years of $10 million + on him so he could play with his NT.

Yeah, I wrote that wrong and I agree with you. Basically, if Manu wants to stay he will have to take a pay cut. If the the FO thinks he won't he may not be a spur a week from now if the right trade comes along.

[sananspursfan21]

why would the suns ever want to do this?

[CGD]

Ginobili & Jefferson for Grant Hill & Stoudemire. Does anyone know where This rumor got started?

Somewhere jagland2003 is laughing his ass off.

[easy7]

Let Manu walk. We have Dick to take his place...literally.

[crc21209]

Ginobili/Jefferson for Hill/Stoudemire/filler? If there is ANY truth to this...I think I do it. :tu

[TJastal]

Ginobili/Jefferson for Hill/Stoudemire/filler? If there is ANY truth to this...I think I do it. :tu

How does getting rid of the one guy on the team that works the pick and roll well with a guy who works best in the pick and roll gonna help?

[crc21209]

How does getting rid of the one guy on the team that works the pick and roll well with a guy who works best in the pick and roll gonna help?

Because at this point, they HAVE to do SOMETHING. Anything....

[Xylus]

How does getting rid of the one guy on the team that works the pick and roll well with a guy who works best in the pick and roll gonna help?

Amare gets most of his points off isos these days, anyway. Teams have figured out how to prevent the Nash-Amare pick-and-roll deathtrap by throwing an extra defender at Amare on the roll.

[TMTTRIO]

Could you imagine Manu playin for PHO?
Well maybe the training and conditioning staff could get Manu back in good condition just like he has with Grant Hill and some of the other guys.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd give Manu 15 mil for 3 years. Last year partial guarantee. Pretty much the same as Dice's deal. No more.

Manu would laugh at such an offer.

[TJastal]

Amare gets most of his points off isos these days, anyway. Teams have figured out how to prevent the Nash-Amare pick-and-roll deathtrap by throwing an extra defender at Amare on the roll.

And? This is a risky strategy for teams to employ however because Nash will find the open man.

[Xylus]

And? This is a risky strategy for teams to employ however because Nash will find the open man.

But the open man is usually not as effective as Amare Stoudemire running full-steam at the basket.

[TJastal]

But the open man is usually not as effective as Amare Stoudemire running full-steam at the basket.

Gets the suns exactly what they want though, which are open uncontested shots.

On a similar note, I haven't seen any teams that have been able to stop the Manu/Blair pick and roll. If Blair had Amare's finishing moves and didn't miss so many gimpy shots they would be just as effective as the Nash/Stoud

[ffadicted]

Worst trade suggestion ever

[Muser]

Comparing Manu/Blair PnR to Amare/Nash :lmao

[yavozerb]

Gets the suns exactly what they want though, which are open uncontested shots.

On a similar note, I haven't seen any teams that have been able to stop the Manu/Blair pick and roll. If Blair had Amare's finishing moves and didn't miss so many gimpy shots they would be just as effective as the Nash/Stoud

:lol...your on a roll, keep em coming.

[yavozerb]

I really cannot imagine this trade going down, cause I would imagine that manu would have to accept a contract extension with the suns before they would consider this move. I am not at all an amare fan, but the guy is an offensive machine, he can drive to it on most bigs and hit some midrange jumpshots as well.

[Marcus Bryant]

Pop needs to get the team to get out and run more and Jefferson's entire game will get a boost.

Well, there is that theory. Score 120 and lose by 10.

[Jace]

Would be a giant win for the Spurs, no way it happens.

Lay Jefferson onto the Suns, get an expiring contract+great big man for a year

[panic giraffe]

http://twitter.com/Question210/status/8945240568

ah yes, because if i trust any name for sporting news its...
shitty local rappers who have been saying their major label debut will be coming out for what seems like 5 years.

nothing to see here.

[Thompson]

I'd give Manu 15 mil for 3 years. Last year partial guarantee. Pretty much the same as Dice's deal. No more.

Yeah, that's about what I was hoping for.


Manu would laugh at such an offer.

Then he can laugh his butt off somewhere else. Trade him and get something for him before he walks (if he doesn't appear to be open to a reasonable sum).

[panic giraffe]

I might be one of the few here who still wants to keep jefferson.

yea, you are.
somewhere a gm in WI is counting his blessings all the way to the bank.

[DAF86]

I might be one of the few here who still wants to keep jefferson. The problem is in the way he is being used.

You were the one arguing with me about RJ > Manu back in the days, right?

[clubalien]

Wait so is this actually coming out from a legit news source?

TE]proof (http://spursofthemoment.com/2010/01/27/rumor-spurs-after-amare-stoudemire/):lobt2:

[Rogue]

even as the Suns are well known to be shopping Amaré recently, I don't think the Spurs are one possible destination for him. an old SF who also shoots horribly like RDJ plus a no-D PF, Spurs would definitely reject such an offer anyway even when its practicality is ignored on Suns side.

tee, hee.

[Russ]

I doubt Ginobili will be traded. But if he is, I bet he's back to the Spurs as a FA this summer. :)

[jason1301]

I doubt Ginobili will be traded. But if he is, I bet he's back to the Spurs as a FA this summer. :)

I hope so but Manu next to Steve Nash is scary scary duo...

[Agloco]

somewhere a gm in WI is counting his blessings all the way to the bank.

:lol

Aged Wisconsin Cheddah

[Xylus]

even as the Suns are well known to be shopping Amaré recently, I don't think the Spurs are one possible destination for him. an old SF who also shoots horribly like RDJ plus a no-D PF, Spurs would definitely reject such an offer anyway even when its practicality is ignored on Suns side.

tee, hee.

Hill shoots 47% from the field, 43% from 3FG, and 81% from the line. He's a step slower but still shooting well.

[rascal]

You were the one arguing with me about RJ > Manu back in the days, right?

No, I said Carter.

[silverblackfan]

I hope so but Manu next to Steve Nash is scary scary duo...

Would be a lot of fun to watch those two playing on the same team, but I hope we never see it happen. Unless Nash wants to come to the Spurs as a backup...

[vander]

PLEASE DEAR GOD NO!!

I'm pretty much the #1 manu hater here, but couldn't we do this with Mcdyess instead of Manu? we have enough freaking bigs.

[Ice009]

Why did you bring this thread back up?

[vander]

:lol wow I had no idea this was 2 days old, I could have swore it was at the top of ST when I clicked on it WTF?

[murpjf88]

Who the hell would want Grant Hill? He's a has been in this league. Manu can run circles around him.

[Timmy21Sas]

Maybe Brandan Wright is an answer.He is young talented 7'5'' wingspan this means he can play center and blocks shots.

[Allanon]

I've heard this same rumor with the inclusion of Barbosa.

It does have some merit and appears to be a decent fit for both teams.

[hater]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykpaehe

[8FOR!3]

Grant Hill was an all star and he has aged well, but the man is 37 years old, I'd rather have the players that are 5-8 years younger.

[SpurNation]

Grant Hill was an all star and he has aged well, but the man is 37 years old, I'd rather have the players that are 5-8 years younger.

The man can still play better than RJ and his salary is gone after this year.

[FeZZy]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykpaehe

:rolleyes

[Xylus]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykpaehe

The Heat don't need a SG.

[ohmwrecker]

I am actually a big fan of this deal. Especially if it can be done without Manu. Which, if Steve Kerr is still retarded, could be easily done. If the Suns are willing to take Jefferson and any of our expirings for Hill/Stoudamire you would have to be a fool not to do that deal. Which pretty much makes this whole scenario a pipedream, but since everyone else is waxing fantastical, why can't I? Sure, Hill is old, but his contract is off the books next year and if he wanted to continue playing he probably could be re-signed for the minimum. He is a really smart player and a buddy of Duncan's.
I cannot fathom why anyone would not want Stoudamire on this team. He is not a great defender, but Pop would demand that he improve and his offensive skills would take a ton of pressure of Tim. With Stoudamire beasting under the basket and drawing doubles, Timmy could just shoot his patented 12 footer off glass all day. Stoudamire also comes off the books next year. This coupled with NO MORE JEFFERSON puts the Spurs right back in the Bron/Bosh/Wade sweepstakes.
Yes, I know none of this will ever happen, but I am treating myself to a flight of fancy. It's exhausting to always be the voice of reason.