Amare

[DJ Mbenga]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4913305

[RedsLakers24]

Fuck

[HarlemHeat37]

This would just be scary, although I wonder how it would work with Shaq..

Getting Stoudemire would be a huge upgrade over getting Jamison or Troy Murphy(LOL), so if they can do it, go for it..

The King would finally have the #2 option he's always been missing..

[RedsLakers24]

Good thing there is only one ball, the only thing the lakers could do to beat this cavs team is trade Bynum for Wade, theres rumors that wade wont return to Miami and that Miami knows this, but it would never happen

[HarlemHeat37]

Meh, Lakers still have a good chance at beating them..

The key will be for Gasol and Bynum to man up though..they've both played like pussies against the Cavs this season, like they're scared of Shaq..

[Fpoonsie]

Holy shit.

Shaq just CAN'T get his fifth ring on this team. The basketball gods won't allow it...

[nervous gulp]

[HarlemHeat37]

Shaq's 5th ring doesn't mean much at this point..he's going to be the 4th option or worse on some nights..nobody remembers players for that, although of course Shaq will talk about it all the time..

It's like on Inside The NBA when they were making fun of Gary Payton for not having a ring, forgetting he won one with Miami as like the 4th/5th option..

[baseline bum]

That's a no-brainer for Cleveland. God, and then Ilgauskas back too? I wonder how Shaq will take it and vice versa though.

[RedsLakers24]

http://www.anthonymorrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/anthony_morrow_lebron.png

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

yep, Amare and Shaq frontline worked out great for the Suns :lmao

I don't get it, the best team in the league wants to screw with chemistry? Bodes well for the rest of the league if this goes through.

[baseline bum]

Holy shit.

Shaq just CAN'T get his fifth ring on this team. The basketball gods won't allow it...

[nervous gulp]

Yeah, in a Lakers-Cavs finals, I'd be rooting for LA.:bang

[RedsLakers24]

Yeah, in a Lakers-Cavs finals, I'd be rooting for LA.:bang

yess, thanx, we need everybody to root for us :lobt2:

[Fpoonsie]

Shaq's 5th ring doesn't mean much at this point..he's going to be the 4th option or worse on some nights..nobody remembers players for that, although of course Shaq will talk about it all the time..

It's like on Inside The NBA when they were making fun of Gary Payton for not having a ring, forgetting he won one with Miami as like the 4th/5th option..

You make a solid point, but I'll never underestimate that jackass' ego.

And, odds are, he'll find some ridiculous 5th gear once the playoffs roll around, complete w/ a few power dunks and atleast 1 dive for a loose ball into the crowd, and EVERYone will talk about Shaq as some kinda X-factor, even though he had no real part in getting them there during the season, much less sustaining them throughout the POs...

...and then I'll fucking shoot myself.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Root for the Lakers? :wow Never. LBJ hasn't forced anyone to have sex with him yet, except maybe David Stern, so therefore i would rather cheer for him :toast

[badfish22]

Shit. This would be interesting...

[Fpoonsie]

Yeah, in a Lakers-Cavs finals, I'd be rooting for LA.:bang

Ugh. I'll be right there w/ ya, cheering on LA through clinched teeth.

This is shaping up to be one of the most painful postseasons in recent memory.

FMSFL

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't mind the Cavs at all, they're a likable team..

Lebron is like the anti-Kobe when it comes to everything personality-wise, Mike Brown is a former Spur, they play like the 2003 Spurs with Duncan as the unselfish superstar and everybody fits into the system around 'Bron, they have great teamwork and share the ball around, they have fun while winning..

Shaq's the only blemish to their team, but I don't dislike him as much as so many Spurs fans here do..he's not important enough on this team to really matter that much IMO..


The Lakers are just an unlikable team in every way..although Laker fans that post here are being way too nice and normal lately, I wonder what the deal is..

[siraulo23]

what the fuck man

fingers crossed this doesnt go down

[alchemist]

wow! Cleveland is about to start charging for every toilet flush just to keep up with Lebron's demands :lol

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

I thought the Cavs would be cheered on by most Spurs fans. Hasn't Mike Brown tried to replicate what Pop has brought to the Spurs?

[Fpoonsie]

I thought the Cavs would be cheered on by most Spurs fans. Hasn't Mike Brown tried to replicate what Pop has brought to the Spurs?

Mike Brown is nothing but a Lebron fanboy w/ a dream job. His antics after each and every one of Lebron's impressive performances are borderline pornographic. Had Pop dropped to his knees each time Timmy put up decent numbers, he'd garner just as MUCH respect from me.

Compound that w/ the idiotic bench behavior and Shaq's coattail-riding, and yeah...I find it surprisingly easy to root against them no MATTER the opponent.

[picc84]

lol

Thats it for the NBA season, hope everyone had fun. :rollin

[baseline bum]

I don't mind the Cavs at all, they're a likable team..

Lebron is like the anti-Kobe when it comes to everything personality-wise, Mike Brown is a former Spur, they play like the 2003 Spurs with Duncan as the unselfish superstar and everybody fits into the system around 'Bron, they have great teamwork and share the ball around, they have fun while winning..

Shaq's the only blemish to their team, but I don't dislike him as much as so many Spurs fans here do..he's not important enough on this team to really matter that much IMO..


The Lakers are just an unlikable team in every way..although Laker fans that post here are being way too nice and normal lately, I wonder what the deal is..

Fuck Shaq. He's shown nothing but disrespect to the Spurs, from Robinson not signing his autograph (bullshit, David signed for me many many times when I asked him respectfully), to the WNBA comment on Letterman, to all the shit he's talked about Duncan and how he's gonna get that fifth ring before him, and so on. Kobe's been nothing but respectful to the Spurs and their fans, so I'd much rather see him get #5 than that fat fuck.

[Ice009]

Fuck Shaq. He's shown nothing but disrespect to the Spurs, from Robinson not signing his autograph (bullshit, David signed for me many many times when I asked him respectfully), to the WNBA comment on Letterman, to all the shit he's talked about Duncan and how he's gonna get that fifth ring before him, and so on. Kobe's been nothing but respectful to the Spurs and their fans, so I'd much rather see him get #5 than that fat fuck.

I don't like the Lakers and most of their players, but yes Kobe has been very respectful to the Spurs and fans like you said.

O'neal is a straight up asshole. The big coattail O'neal.

How about if the Cavs get Amare we lend the Lakers TD. Then Shaq can watch both Kobe and Tim get number 5 before him at the same time ;).

[baseline bum]

yep, Amare and Shaq frontline worked out great for the Suns :lmao

I don't get it, the best team in the league wants to screw with chemistry? Bodes well for the rest of the league if this goes through.

Their regular season record is fool's gold just like last year's was.

[baseline bum]

How about if the Cavs get Amare we lend the Lakers TD. Imagine Shaq seeing both Kobe and Tim get number 5 before him at the same time ;).

:vomit:

[23LeBronJames23]

I actually rather have Cavs get Jamison or stay the way they are. For some reason I dont think Shaq and Amare will play good together.

[Ice009]

I actually rather have Cavs get Jamison or stay the way they are. For some reason I dont think Shaq and Amare will play good together.

I don't mind if you get Amare if you dump Shaq. lol send Shaq back to Phoenix.

[milkshakeballa]

I actually rather have Cavs get Jamison or stay the way they are. For some reason I dont think Shaq and Amare will play good together.

as a laker fan...i am TERRIFIED of jamison ending up in cleveland

amare? meh...no big deal

but jamison is a perfect fit next to Bron...Amare still hasn't decided to play defense...and I doubt it will change in a matter of a few games in cleveland....

[baseline bum]

I actually rather have Cavs get Jamison or stay the way they are. For some reason I dont think Shaq and Amare will play good together.

Who cares about Shaq? He's 38 and done, and probably gone at the end of the season. Cleveland doesn't have enough talent around LeBron to pass up that kind of opportunity, even if it isn't the slam dunk someone like Bosh would have been had they kept their capspace instead.

[picc84]

as a laker fan...i am TERRIFIED of jamison ending up in cleveland

amare? meh...no big deal

but jamison is a perfect fit next to Bron...Amare still hasn't decided to play defense...and I doubt it will change in a matter of a few games in cleveland....

And you think Jamison plays defense? If he can even lift his arm up without a shoulder falling off and tumbling around on the floor its considered a good defensive possession. :wakeup

[milkshakeballa]

Jamison doesn't play much D....but has before and still is by far and away a better defender than Atardy

Jamison is a much better fit for CLE imo..

[picc84]

Yep, thats Antawn Jamison, the defensive dynamo who specializes in running upcourt as soon as his man looks at the basket.

[timtonymanu]

I don't mind the Cavs at all, they're a likable team..

Lebron is like the anti-Kobe when it comes to everything personality-wise

are you kidding me? LeBron has been a bitch since his team lost to Orlando last year. And he's resorting to dancing on the bench during the game. He's an attention whore.

Likeable team? LeBron? Mo? Shaq? Boobie? Andy?

[DAF86]

I actually rather have Cavs get Jamison or stay the way they are. For some reason I dont think Shaq and Amare will play good together.


as a laker fan...i am TERRIFIED of jamison ending up in cleveland

amare? meh...no big deal

but jamison is a perfect fit next to Bron...Amare still hasn't decided to play defense...and I doubt it will change in a matter of a few games in cleveland....

Amare >>>>>>>> Jamison

Amare is a beast, I was just seeing some Spurs vs Suns games from the '05 playoffs and I'm still amazed at what Stoudamire did that series (30+ points on every single game against Tim Duncan), not only that, the different ways of getting it done was just as remarcable: off the P&R, on the post, in transition, jumpers, 80% FT shooter, etc.

And regarding the defensive aspect: Stoudamire is an absolute freak of nature, he has the physical ability to be a great defender and I think that beign on defensive minded team would help him to develop that side of his game.

Amare + Lebron = team to beat for at least the next 5 years IMO

[KidCongo]

It's not just about this season. Looking into the future.

[AussieFanKurt]

fuck lecrab

[pauls931]

A lot of morons don't get it... This is not the suns run by nash, this is the Cavs who run boring halfcourt sets involving LBJ dribbling around until he finds a seem or someone leaves a teammate wide open. I hope it doesn't happen, but of all the crappy trade scenarious brought forth, I like this on the best. Of course I'd rather keep Amare.

Now instead of LBJ and and bunch of scrubs he now has a star who isn't 900 years old to defer to at times.

This trade sucks so I'm sure Kerr can pull it off. Thanks to cheapness, they have 0 chance of getting equal value for amare.

I like Hickson and think Nash can utilize him, but in the future, I'm not sure how it'll work with dragic.

Also, suns aren't making the playoffs this year if it goes through.

[XFactor]

You make a solid point, but I'll never underestimate that jackass' ego.

And, odds are, he'll find some ridiculous 5th gear once the playoffs roll around, complete w/ a few power dunks and atleast 1 dive for a loose ball into the crowd, and EVERYone will talk about Shaq as some kinda X-factor, even though he had no real part in getting them there during the season, much less sustaining them throughout the POs...

...and then I'll fucking shoot myself.

When its all said and done and Shaq retires, he will be regarded as one of the most dominant big man to ever play the game with 5 rings. No one is going to care that he was on a stacked team when he won his 5th ring. He may not be a #1 or #2 option but hey neither was Wilt Chamberlain in his '72 season or Kareem Abduljabbar in his '88 season both whom won a ring that year and still got the credit they deserve.

[Double-Up]

Root for the Lakers? :wow Never. LBJ hasn't forced anyone to have sex with him yet, except maybe David Stern, so therefore i would rather cheer for him :toast

Not with their bandwagon hitching ass fanbase...never. Good deal for Cleveland IF it goes through, but couldn't they get more for Amare than J.J. Hickson? :lol

[Double-Up]

In reality teams should be trying to cockblock the fuck outta this deal. If they get Amare, Lebron definantly won't be leaving Cleveland anytime soon.

[Pelicans78]

So basically Phoenix wants JJ Hickson and a first round pick for Amare. For some reason I'm not entirely comfortable with Amare being a positive impact for Cleveland.

[pauls931]

So basically Phoenix wants JJ Hickson and a first round pick for Amare. For some reason I'm not entirely comfortable with Amare being a positive impact for Cleveland.


Imagine if Lebron still leaves. All hell would break loose. Like when Baron Davis went to the clippers and Elton Brand bolts, just on an epic scale.

[Pelicans78]

Imagine if Lebron still leaves. All hell would break loose.

Amare will be the Cavs' next Shawn Kemp.

[pauls931]

Amare will be the Cavs' next Shawn Kemp.

Hope not. Perhaps his logic is the the cavs without LBJ as the worst case is still as good as the Suns after nash leaves. Also the east is still soft 5-8 where you have to almost be elite to even make the playoffs in the west.

[Cane]

Great move by the Cavs if they can land this deal. They need to do everything they can to win a championship now and an all-star big man is a step in the right direction. If they don't get Amar'e then James is just that much closer to leaving Cleveland.

He'd be the best secondary option Lebron James has ever balled with in Cleveland and presents match up nightmares. Now if you double the Cavs you're even more screwed than ever - Amar'e's got a midrange shot as deadly as they come and one of the best scorers in the paint to boot.

Barring any injury, this is the Cavs year. Hickson was having a great year but Amar'e's impact will be on a whole other level and if the Cavs manage to resign Z also...well damn thats a lot of size on one team!

In fact I see Cavs vs Mavs now in the Finals - LA needs to improve on their weaknesses mainly their depth since their advantages will be nowhere near as huge as they once were.

[Chillen]

Just because it didn't work in Phoenix with Amare & Shaq doesn't mean it won't work in Cleveland.

Nash is not LeBron James, James is the best basketball player on the planet.

If this happens what it does is if the Cavs/Lakers meet in the NBA finals it gives Cleveland plenty of upside to win a 7 game series against LA and it may help keep LeBron in Cleveland, especially if he wins his first NBA title there.

If the Suns are crazy enough to sign off on that trade (though Amare would probably be pushing for it), Cleveland would be foolish to not do it, and they may even get Big Z back, which would really spell trouble for the Lakers, Magic and Celtics.

[Sportstudi]

You make a solid point, but I'll never underestimate that jackass' ego.

And, odds are, he'll find some ridiculous 5th gear once the playoffs roll around, complete w/ a few power dunks and atleast 1 dive for a loose ball into the crowd, and EVERYone will talk about Shaq as some kinda X-factor, even though he had no real part in getting them there during the season, much less sustaining them throughout the POs...

...and then I'll fucking shoot myself.


Fuck Shaq. He's shown nothing but disrespect to the Spurs, from Robinson not signing his autograph (bullshit, David signed for me many many times when I asked him respectfully), to the WNBA comment on Letterman, to all the shit he's talked about Duncan and how he's gonna get that fifth ring before him, and so on. Kobe's been nothing but respectful to the Spurs and their fans, so I'd much rather see him get #5 than that fat fuck.


are you kidding me? LeBron has been a bitch since his team lost to Orlando last year. And he's resorting to dancing on the bench during the game. He's an attention whore.

All of these. I'm not a Laker fan, but I would rather see Kobe winning his 5th than Shaq. Concerning LeBron: He's probably the best basketball player on the planet, but I can't stand his antics prior and during the game and this shitty dance act. The fact of having Shaq on his team makes it way easier for me not to root for the Cavs.

[weebo]

Oh yeah, and lets not forget the Mavs and Wizards are building a super team.

:lol

[JMarkJohns]

Hickson and CAP relief isn't enough. The Suns need Cleveland to include their 1st-rounder from this year, and, since we are doing them a HUGE favor by releasing Ilguaskus so he can resign, A future 1st should be included as well.

It's similar to the Gasol deal. Cap relief Brown/Ilguaskus, prospect Gasol/Hickson, multiple late 1sts.

That's the returning package that even comes close to this atrocity. Without the additional 1sts, they may as well just hand him over.

[Lukor]

I'm still not sure why the Suns would do this. Hickson is an ok player but HELLO shouldnt you get a little more in return when you trade away an allstar big man in his prime?
Or maybe they're trying to miss the playoffs lol...idk it just doesnt make sense to resign Nash and then go into rebuilding mode because that's all they'll be doing if this goes through.

[mavsfan1000]

Fuck the Suns for helping Lemoron and washed up Shaq.

[jermaine]

yep, Amare and Shaq frontline worked out great for the Suns :lmao

I don't get it, the best team in the league wants to screw with chemistry? Bodes well for the rest of the league if this goes through.

I swear I was sayin the same thang. Hickson is young & playin dam good ball. They're stupid for dis trade. I wouldn't. They're winning with what they got so why would you fuck with it. If it aint broke don't fix it.

[noob cake]

I swear I was sayin the same thang. Hickson is young & playin dam good ball. They're stupid for dis trade. I wouldn't. They're winning with what they got so why would you fuck with it. If it aint broke don't fix it.

LeBronze makes anyone better; LeBronze can play 1-5 and hang with anyone. He is pretty much a better passer than anyone but Nash, CP3, DWill, and one or two other PG's. He is a better rebounder than 90% of the PF if he stays in the post. He can even make Hickson look like a decent prospect.

[ffadicted]

I swear I was sayin the same thang. Hickson is young & playin dam good ball. They're stupid for dis trade. I wouldn't. They're winning with what they got so why would you fuck with it. If it aint broke don't fix it.

Cleveland's real championship this year would be getting Lebron to stay, not the Larry O'Brien trophy. If LeBronze wants Amare, LeBronze will get Amare

[crc21209]

Damn the Cavs front-line would be stacked and prepared to take on the Lakers after this deal. Amare, Shaq, Varejao, AND Ilgauskas coming back. Damn...

[bostonguy]

Holy shit. Nice deal for the Cavs. They now have that 2nd option. They are your 2010 nba champions and a possible dynasty.

[JoeTait75]

I swear I was sayin the same thang. Hickson is young & playin dam good ball. They're stupid for dis trade. I wouldn't. They're winning with what they got so why would you fuck with it. If it aint broke don't fix it.

That's what they said last year and look where they got them.

Look, STAT basically is J.J.'s highest upside, right now. He's going to be the #2 option here, he's going to get his touches, and he'll fit in and perform if he wants to get paid over the summer. If you've got a chance to add a guy like this you have to pull the trigger.

[picc84]

Why are the Suns trading the expiring contract of a star for the expiring contract of a washed up scrub?

[mavsfan1000]

Why are the Suns trading the expiring contract of a star for the expiring contract of a washed up scrub?
They figure if they can't win it, they can contribute to a team that can win it. Aka Grizzlies did for lakers and Wizards did for us. But at least the Lakers aren't clear favorites now like they were.

[ClippersDynasty]

LMAO Suns, Jesus Christ. Just give Kerr his 2010 NBA Championship ring now.

[mavsfan1000]

Kerry loves his Ferry. lol

[pauls931]

Hickson and CAP relief isn't enough. The Suns need Cleveland to include their 1st-rounder from this year, and, since we are doing them a HUGE favor by releasing Ilguaskus so he can resign, A future 1st should be included as well.

It's similar to the Gasol deal. Cap relief Brown/Ilguaskus, prospect Gasol/Hickson, multiple late 1sts.

That's the returning package that even comes close to this atrocity. Without the additional 1sts, they may as well just hand him over.

My guess is Sarver is still in financial trouble and needs to unload something ASAP even at the cost of the playoffs this year.

[picc84]

Thats two donations the Suns have made now to the Cavs. All I know is Chris Wallace better be buying OJ Mayo's plane ticket to LA or this is bullshit.

[silverblk mystix]

Is this the BEST deal that the Suns can sign off on?...Just as in the Pau Gasol/Laker trade---this reeks...why are the Suns settling like this?
On top of all that---the Cavs can already beat the Lakers---as they are now---but add Amare and it does not look like anyone else has a chance...even if Amare plays ONLY offense...

oh well

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Sam Presti is praying this trade happens.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And Kerr + Sarver have done a good job earning a championship....for themselves. They will for sure get a ring if this trade happens and Cleveland wins.

[mavs>spurs2]

these collusion trades suck, it's wack for the championship to be basically awarded in february at the trade deadline. second time this has happened in recent years.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

This isn't a collusion trade. This is a cheap ass kyke owner being a douche bag.

[j.dizzle]

Sons, I kind of feel bad for sunfan...It must fuckin suck to have a Jew for an owner & a autistic GM. If I was a sunfan & lived in PHX I would throw a brick through a window at the arena hahaha

[mavs>spurs2]

^ Or just find out where they live and harass their houses daily

[gaKNOW!blee]

This isn't a collusion trade. This is a cheap ass kyke owner being a douche bag.

haha damn dude.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

^ Or just find out where they live and harass their houses daily

Or just blow their houses up.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

From what I've read the holdup in these trades is Jason Richardson. The chances of Phoenix trading Amare without being able to unload J-Rich is slim to none.

[mavs>spurs2]

Or just blow their houses up.

I'll supply you the TNT but I can't be held liable for what you do with it :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I'll supply you the TNT but I can't be held liable for what you do with it :lol


Sounds good. We could involve a middle man who gets the TNT from you to me so you're not involved as an accomplice.

[Xylus]

Fuck this trade.

This'll go down in history as the dumbest thing Kerr's ever done, and he's done some monumentally stupid-ass shit already. Fuck.

[j.dizzle]

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/images/photos/2009/06/20/r1vp6vpq.jpg
"Hey Steve, how can I fuck up my franchise even more"
"I dunno just trade all the good players we have for scrubs"
"Good idea man, go make me some money, screw the fans"

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Amare is going to miss all that good pussy he's getting in Paradise Valley. Good luck in that hell hole Cleveland.


Believe it or not the guys in a stable relationship, whether he's faithful or not is anyone's guess :lol

[Mel_13]

Why are the Suns trading the expiring contract of a star for the expiring contract of a washed up scrub?

Amare's contract has a player option for 17.7M next year. Suns are worried he'll do the same thing to them that Boozer did to the Jazz and just play out his option.

[Xylus]

I fucking hate this trade so much. Even the Miami deal was much better. I'd take Beasley over Hickson any fucking day.

[ffadicted]

Believe it or not the guys in a stable relationship, whether he's faithful or not is anyone's guess :lol

:wow:wow


From what I've read the holdup in these trades is Jason Richardson. The chances of Phoenix trading Amare without being able to unload J-Rich is slim to none.

lol does any team in the league have the pieces to make something like that work

[Xylus]

lol does any team in the league have the pieces to make something like that work

Philly does, but trading with them would be stupid too.

[mavs>spurs2]

:wow:wow



lol does any team in the league have the pieces to make something like that work

Mavs should trade Butler/Damp for Amare/jrich while were in the spirit of robbing teams

[IronMexican]

I fucking hate this trade so much. Even the Miami deal was much better. I'd take Beasley over Hickson any fucking day.

Yup.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Nash
J-Rich
Hill
Hickson
Blowpez

Nashfan must be getting a boner at how much nash would be handling the ball with that lineup.

[j.dizzle]

Nash
J-Rich
Hill
Hickson
Blowpez

Nashfan must be getting a boner at how much nash would be handling the ball with that lineup.
LOL, hickson would average 5 pts a game since players would actually guard him on PHX.

[ffadicted]

Mavs should trade Butler/Damp for Amare/Jrich

Can't ship butler out with other players bro

[mavs>spurs2]

Can't ship butler out with other players bro

true, it wasn't really a serious proposition. the suns are just fucked

[IronMexican]

How does Cle feel about losing the next Karl Malone? has to hurt.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

How does Cle feel about losing the next Karl Malone? has to hurt.


Oh fuck I didn't realize the Suns are getting the next Karl Malone. Props to Kerr not needing to give anything else to get Karl Malone Jr.

[21_Blessings]

Amare makes Cleveland WORSE defensively - his team defense might be worse than his man defense even. That's fine with me. He doesn't make CLE all that much better. The main reason why the Cavs beat LA two times this season was how Shaq, Big Z and Varajoke stiffled Pau and Drew defensively. Both of them completely own Amare. Amare can score his 24 if that means Pau/Bynum have 45.

I don't think this would make Cleveland that much better if it went down and they still aren't even a lock to come out of the East.


But at least the Lakers aren't clear favorites now like they were.

Well that only helps the Lakers even more. LA plays better when the media/fans doubt them (see: 2009 reg season) the Cavs play worse when everybody overrates them (since they seem to buy into the hype).

Now imagine when Cleveland doesn't win. Bron, Amare are gone for sure. Stuck with Richardson's K and no young talent whatsoever other than Boobie :lol. Cleveland Sports ladies and gentleman.

[JoeTait75]

Amare makes Cleveland WORSE defensively

Yup, our team defense is going to fall apart without Dikembe Mutombo Hickson patrolling the middle. :lol

STAT is at least as good as Hickson defensively, scores more, rebounds more and has a history of performing well in the postseason. Nope, we shouldn't make this deal.

But your whistling in the graveyard is duly noted.

[daslicer]

Lakerfans bitching about Amare not being a great defender is funny considering the lakers bigs are all average defenders at best. I refuse believe that Amare is such a piss poor defender that he can't became atleast an average defensive player in the Cavs system. This trade definitely is unfair but then again the Gasol trade was bs to it kind of levels that trade out if it goes through.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Amare is a horrible defender but that's in large part due to the team he's been on. With a motivated Shaq on defense + Cleveland's guards doing a better job keeping people out of the paint Amare won't be AS bad.

[mavsfan1000]

Most fans who follow the game will tell you how horrible Amare's defense is, yet still, this trade helps them in a huge way.
It's probably because he plays center a lot. He is a PF and needs a shotblocker similar to the needs Dirk has.

[daslicer]

Most fans who follow the game will tell you how horrible Amare's defense is, yet still, this trade helps them in a huge way.

And like I said its not difficult to be an average defender in this league which I believe Amare can be in the cavs system.

[HarlemHeat37]

Cleveland has the best defensive system in the NBA..while Stoudemire is a horrible defender, he does have the potential to be average, which is good enough..this Cavs team had Drew Gooden as a starter, one of the worst defenders of all-time, and they still finished 4th defensively and made the Finals..Hickson isn't even a noticeable defender..

LOL @ 21 and his usual..

When were the Lakers "doubted"?..they've always been hyped and favored since the Gasol trade, when was this "doubt" that the media had about them?..

The Cavs were hyped in ONE season and now they choke when there is hype? LOL..

[21_Blessings]

STAT is at least as good as Hickson defensively, scores more, rebounds more and has a history of performing well in the postseason. Nope, we shouldn't make this deal.


Jesus are you fucking stupid or what. Amare playing 30+ min means less minutes for Varejao and Big Z is 10 times the post-defender Amare is.


But your whistling in the graveyard is duly noted.

If you want to hear whistling in a graveyard, just go back read all your posts from last year about this time and during the playoffs. Keep digging that grave deeper. :lol

[bostonguy]

From what I've read the holdup in these trades is Jason Richardson. The chances of Phoenix trading Amare without being able to unload J-Rich is slim to none.

How much truth is there to that? Cavs won't take Richardson's contract. Man this means no playing time for Powe now. :depressed

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

How much truth is there to that? Cavs won't take Richardson's contract. Man this means no playing time for Powe now. :depressed


There's plenty of truth to it I think. Sarver and Kerr will get a lot more people to buy into the trade if they manage to dump j-Rich off as well. Trading Amare for Hickson and Z (and then buying Z out) looks like a cost cutting move made by an owner who doesn't care about the fans. They can convince some stupid people that they have plans for 2010 free agency if they dump J-Rich off as well.

[21_Blessings]

LOL @ 21 and his usual..

When were the Lakers "doubted"?..they've always been hyped and favored since the Gasol trade, when was this "doubt" that the media had about them?..

The Cavs were hyped in ONE season and now they choke when there is hype? LOL..

Everyone here and the media were slobbing all over 27-2 Boston during the early part of last season. The Lakers put a stop to that quite quickly after ending both Boston win streaks. The Lakers won pretty much every statment regular season game last season because all they heard was how soft they were after the NBA finals.

Cleveland was then hyped as the favorites after they finished with the best record. This hype became extremely worse after they swept the Hawks and the Lakers toyed around with Houston. "CAVS/NUGGETS FINALS" :lol

I'm sorry your memory is absolutely fucking terrible. Even worse than the Spurs. :rollin Don't worry, no one expects a Spurs fan to know what it takes to repeat since Timmy failed at it 4 times.

Now this season, the Lakers could give a shit about the reg season. They have literally nothing to prove right now. All that matters is the Lakers being healthy. It's working out great as well. The NBA forum and media is back to sucking off the Cavs.

[JoeTait75]

Amare playing 30+ min means less minutes for Varejao

Bullshit. Varejao can back up both frontcourt positions, he'll still get plenty of minutes. The Cavaliers will go small more w/STAT and Varejao will be in those lineups. He'll get his minutes. And if STAT is putting up 30 and 10 I doubt anyone is going to be worried about Varejao's minutes anyway. BTW, Z will be back in 30 days regardless.


If you want to hear whistling in a graveyard, just go back read all your posts from last year about this time and during the playoffs.

You mean the shitload of posts from about February on where I called the Magic a terrible match-up? Or do you mean the posts where I predicted Magic in 6 in the ECF? One of us has his head in the sand and it ain't me, Mrs. Bynum.

[bostonguy]

Bullshit. Varejao can back up both frontcourt positions, he'll still get plenty of minutes. The Cavaliers will go small more w/STAT and Varejao will be in those lineups. He'll get his minutes. And if STAT is putting up 30 and 10 I doubt anyone is going to be worried about Varejao's minutes anyway. BTW, Z will be back in 30 days regardless.



You mean the shitload of posts from about February on where I called the Magic a terrible match-up? Or do you mean the posts where I predicted Magic in 6 in the ECF? One of us has his head in the sand and it ain't me, Mrs. Bynum.


What about Jason Richardson's minutes? It looks like you will have to take him on to get Amare in return. This is where those sign and trades involving Wally World and Lorenzo Wright come into play.

[bostonguy]

Mo/Richardson/Lebron/Amare/Shaq

Bench:West/Parker/Moon/Varajeo/Z/Powe/Gibson


That is a pretty sick lineup.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I doubt they take J-Rich and Amare. As it stands, Cle has a 33% chance at getting Amare IMO. Kerr is the king of a bunch of hoopla turning into nothing, Amare probably ends up staying in Phoenix.

[ffadicted]

Mo/Richardson/Lebron/Amare/Shaq

Bench:West/Parker/Moon/Varajeo/Z/Powe/Gibson


That is a pretty sick lineup.

How exactly do you plan to match salaries to get Richardson/Amare

[Mel_13]

How exactly do you plan to match salaries to get Richardson/Amare

They would use Wally Z the same way Dallas used Keith Van Horn in the Kidd-Harris trade.