Bye Bye Bayh

[SnakeBoy]

One of the few Democrats I respected.

[boutons_deux]

He's a quitter.

The Repug relentless, smash mouth Party of No is winning.

Magic Negro gonna whip their asses with a bunch recess appointments and Executive Orders.

Repugs gonna squeal like the bunch of porkers (knowing Americans can't remember anything longer than 15 minutes, esp not the recess appts and Exec Order dubya laid on the Repugs).

[SnakeBoy]

Are you drunk Boutons? The hate is normal but your grammar seems off.

[Winehole23]

His lizard brain took over a long time ago. Not a surprise syntax would start to go. His lexicon is already laughably simple -- subtract five or six words (Magic Negro, Repugs, oilcos, and corporations and Dubya) and there's practically nothing left.

[boutons_deux]

trash talking typos, GFY

[doobs]

Serious question, b_d: do you think you're ever persuading anyone of anything here? Do you care?

What is your purpose?

[boutons_deux]

no one persuades anyone here.

I don't care

I have no purpose other than entertaining myself.

[doobs]

Keep fucking that chicken.

[admiralsnackbar]

I read that Bayh was projected to win his district by a landslide... did somebody threaten to air some dirty laundry if he didn't drop out? I only speculate as much because his reasons for retiring seem very ad-hoc and unconvincing.

[doobs]

I read that Bayh was projected to win his district by a landslide... did somebody threaten to air some dirty laundry if he didn't drop out? I only speculate as much because his reasons for retiring seem very ad-hoc and unconvincing.

He might have been sufficiently concerned about Dan Coats. If he's still interested in running for president in 2016, retiring and doing something in the private sector might look better than losing reelection. Heck, it might even help round out his resume so he can deflect any "career politician" criticisms.

But yeah, it could definitely be something scandalous.

[jack sommerset]

no one persuades anyone here.

I don't care

I have no purpose other than entertaining myself.

That's not true. Threads I read in here I went into with one mindset and came out with another.

How do you entertain yourself acting like a nutjob in Spewstalk political forum? Seriously, how does that work? Obviously you do care or you would not be here as often as you are.

Bayh is a quitter.

[doobs]

GqlXGknAAv8

[boutons_deux]

"How do you entertain yourself acting like a nutjob"

I'm a nutjob because I trash right-wing nutjobs and Repug suckers like yourself, sure, I got it.

[jack sommerset]

"How do you entertain yourself acting like a nutjob"

I'm a nutjob because I trash right-wing nutjobs and Repug suckers like yourself, sure, I got it.

I'm a independent. Obama is WAY out there so I have legit issues with him and his administration, not democrats. Sorry to tell you this, that does not make someone a republican.

Seriously, I'm not being a wise ass. How do you entertain yourself typing non-sense on a Spewstalk website?

[boutons_deux]

"Obama is WAY out there"

what has he done that is "way out there". He's actions, not his words, are "dubya the 2nd"

[jack sommerset]

"Obama is WAY out there"

what has he done that is "way out there". He's actions, not his words, are "dubya the 2nd"

Okay, you don't want to answer the question. I have a shitload of post about why Obama is "way out there". I brought that up to you because you don't have to be a republican or a right wing nut job to hate Obama (or a racist). As I said before, I am a independent not what you said I was.

I was wondering how someone can just spew nonsense like you do and call it entertaining. That's all. Not a big deal. Peace.

[mogrovejo]

Will he primary the gang from Chicago for 2012?

[SnakeBoy]

Sounds like a complete meltdown is in progress.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/15/evan-bayhs-retirement-lea_n_463048.html
Evan Bayh's Retirement Leaves Democrats Scarred And Demanding Aggression


Senator Evan Bayh's abrupt announcement on Monday that he will retire at the end of his term has further united disparate voices within the Democratic Party behind the idea that legislative action is the only remedy to avoid future political calamity.

In the wake of the Indiana Democrat's announcement, a host of figures -- from the progressive wing of the party to devout centrists -- have chimed in to warn that failure in jobs and health care legislation have sapped the party's momentum and fortunes.

Markos Moulitsas, the founder of the blog Daily Kos, said that the best way for Democrats to salvage the fate of the party before the 2010 elections is clear: "Deliver on their campaign promises."

"No one is asking them to go out on a limb and do something they didn't first run by the American people," Moulitsas said, in an email to the Huffington Post. "The Dems are where they are because they got elected promising to be a party able to govern, and then spent the last year proving themselves wrong."

On the opposite end of the Democratic Party spectrum, Lanny Davis, a longtime Clinton confidant and purveyor of the politics of compromise, offered a similar diagnosis.

"I know this will work because of what happened to Bill Clinton," Davis said of the ability of policy accomplishments to turn around a poor narrative. "[President Obama's] failure to pass something showed him to be an ineffectual president. And the absence of effectiveness combined with the cynicism of government because of that absence of effectiveness... is toxic. It is Barack Obama that has to change that dynamic, and do it in a dramatic fashion to show he is an effective president."

Rare is the day that Moulitsas and Davis find themselves on the same page. And, indeed, when it comes to tactics the two are still fall far apart: with the Moulitsas urging Obama to scrap "irrelevant bipartisanship" and the Davis insisting that the White House move forward with incremental, unobjectionable bits of health care reform.

Still, their insta-takes on the significance of the Bayh retirement point to an increasingly widely-held belief sweeping through party ranks. Democrats of all stripes are arriving at the conclusion that their power is in tremendous peril. And if the ship goes down -- as prognosticators suggest will happen -- there won't be any discrimination between moderates and progressives.

Officials in public office know this too. A White House aide, who said he was not surprised by Bayh's decision to retire, noting the longstanding "hatred" the senator had for the inefficiencies of Congress, pointed to job growth as a way to raise party optimism.

A senior Democratic aide on the Hill agreed. "It's what we are trying to do," the aide said. "We are trying to get base hits here. We need some singles. We can't get it all back with a grand slam."

The hope among some Democrats is that Bayh's departure, combined with the growing gloom over the party's fortunes, will give lawmakers more incentive and leeway to operate, especially on health care reform. The Hill aide, while not impugning Moulitsas's position, argued that the Daily Kos founder was setting the bar too high for legislative success. "I'm glad Markos feels that way," the aide said. "Let's hope his followers give us some room to build back our reservoir of good will."

But it's impossible not to be skeptical, as Moulitsas and others are, that a Democratic Party that failed to register a major legislative breakthrough with a filibuster-proof majority will start racking up wins with a psyche that's bruised and battered.

"Republicans never doubt their agenda, and will use any tool at their disposal to ram it through," Moulitsas wrote. "Democrats have internalized the criticisms about their agenda... dilly and dally and beg Republicans to join them... instead of following the lead of their opponents."

The question ultimately becomes, what has to happen first: an attitude adjustment that sees Democrats more aggressively pushing their agenda or political victories that build up their confidence?

The two may not be mutually exclusive. Some of the most prominent names in the Democratic Party's consulting class argued on Monday that by dropping the pretense of rhetorical moderation, lawmakers could lay the groundwork for a comeback. In an e-mail to the Huffington Post, Robert Borosage, co-director of the progressive Campaign for America's Future, practically begged Obama to flex the White House's muscle.

"Take [the Republicans] on -- from the damn White House," he wrote in an e-mail to the Huffington Post. "They are fighting to cut estate taxes on the wealthiest 1% of heirs as a jobs program. Are they kidding? How can they get away with that with barely a word being said about it? They oppose doing anything to give consumers protection from credit card companies, predatory lending etc -- that would get in the way of protecting the banks. Are they kidding? How can they get away with that? They are offering themselves up to the banks as their protectors. They are lined up to oppose direct lending for kids that will help make college more affordable."

"The issues are innumerable. The choices clear," Borosage added. "We've got the bully pulpit. Let's use the damn thing."

Tad Devine, another longtime Democratic hand was just as blunt, advising lawmakers not to be wary of re-introducing voters to the previous White House's record.

"We as Democrats seem to think there was some sort of sunset provision on the Bush administration," Devine said. "That an administration that nearly bankrupted the country... is something that after six months we can't even talk about any more is absurd. We have to be like Reagan and always remind people of the situation we walked into."

[ChumpDumper]

He's just running for president as an "outsider" now.

[EVAY]

I'm sorry to see him go, because he really is/has been a moderate.

He didn't quit, though, in the middle of his term, like some politicians have been known to do recently. He just decided not to 're-up' at the end of his current term.

So he is not a quitter.

[Marcus Bryant]

Extremist tilt of Democrats causes moderate Senator to retire.

[Nbadan]

Bayh was a shadow of his famous liberal father, Birch Bayh. Bayd is a DINO, or blue-dog democrat whose wife is a big-wig in the poor health-care industry that evil dems want to try and control....even if a Republican were to win Bayd seat it would not make a huge difference from Bayh, only the (D) will change to (R)...which explains the GOP love for Bayh in this forum

...Bayh rails about the ineffectiveness in Washington all the while being a major contributor to negating the elected will of the people who elected him...good riddance!

[SouthernFried]

Either Democrats really don't get it, therefore are idiots...or get it and just don't care. It's obvious they totally misread the election.

It's not because they couldn't pass legislation that's causing them problems. They passed plenty, and spent plenty.

It's because of the legislation they passed and are trying to pass that's causing them problems.

People don't like, or want it.

Democrats will not, or cannot come to grips with the obvious.....
People don't like what they are proposing and have passed already.

The elections wasn't about increasing the size and scope of govt. It was a rejection of increasing the size and scope of govt. People were more mad about BUSH's spending, then Iraq. They sure as hell didn't want even MORE spending than BUSH.

They were mad BUSH spent a ton...it wasn't a mandate for OBAMA to spend multiple tons more.

Total misread by the Democratic party.

[Darrin]

This is just the latest example of politicans running for the hills. True statesmen. We are in the middle of a National Crisis, and the truth of the matter is that the people who are in town are too busy running for Congress to address the issue--the deficit. It is a ticking time-bomb and it could collapse our currency before the next election cycle (2012).

We won't be able to afford health care, no matter how good the bill is. We won't be able to get a job, no matter how good we stimulate the economy. Your paycheck will be worth nothing. This is issue one of national security. Period. We have to find a way to pay down the debt to prove to our creditors that we will pay it.

I want to raise taxes across the board, but that puts less money into the economy and it may exacerbate the problem. It may stall the economy. If we continue to charge, someone may stop taking our credit and thus the end of our solvency.

We need to improve the economy and pay down the debt at the same time so that Washington will make us more stable economically.

This is a complicated, EXTREMELY complicated problem. If anyone has any foresight, and I got this information as a 1st-year college student with a computer and a TV, so obviously it's not that difficult to see, then the next Congress will oversee THE WORST economic situation in American History or they'll be scraping faces off Mount Rushmore. With the stakes so high, we need politicans that will not worry about whether they can win the 2012 election. We need statesmen, smart people, not politicans.

They're running for the hills because they don't have a solution.

[ElNono]

Either Democrats really don't get it, therefore are idiots...or get it and just don't care. It's obvious they totally misread the election.

...

Total misread by the Democratic party.

I disagree with your assessment completely. I think the fact that they didn't deliver on their major campaign promises is what is coming to bite them in the ass. The lack of a swift response to the jobs losses compounds the problem.

Guys like this one is merely running away from one of the worst Congress in American history, lead by Pelosi/Reid/Frank... A Congress that was given a blank check and failed to deliver on anything promised during the campaign trail...

That you think people voted liberal because they wanted conservative really tells me how disconnected from reality you are. Let's make it clear: you want to be fiscally conservative. That's not what people voted for.

[mogrovejo]

People voted for hope, change, bipartisanship and all the intangibles that were the central part of Obama platform. Obama was always way more popular than his policies - even now when he isn't that popular any more.

[mogrovejo]

Bayh was a shadow of his famous liberal father, Birch Bayh.

Were you around when Birch Bayh didn't get re-elected? Quayle destroyed him because of his liberal voting record. Evan Bayh would have never been elected in the 1st place if he had hold his father political positions.


Bayd is a DINO, or blue-dog democrat whose wife is a big-wig in the poor health-care industry that evil dems want to try and control....even if a Republican were to win Bayd seat it would not make a huge difference from Bayh, only the (D) will change to (R)...which explains the GOP love for Bayh in this forum

Bayh talked a lot, but he was a reliable democrat in the Senate. You probably don't know his voting record too well.

Plus, if you think that his replacement will be more liberal - even if it's a Democrat - you're into a huge disappointment.



..Bayh rails about the ineffectiveness in Washington all the while being a major contributor to negating the elected will of the people who elected him...good riddance!

Really? I thought Bayh was pretty popular among his constituents.

[exstatic]

Extremist tilt of Democrats causes moderate Senator to retire.

Well, this was half of it. He just tired of the monkeys flinging poo at the zoo. Monkeys from both sides, I might add.

[ElNono]

People voted for hope, change, bipartisanship and all the intangibles that were the central part of Obama platform. Obama was always way more popular than his policies - even now when he isn't that popular any more.

I thought you said voters aren't stupid. I guess they indeed are when you're trying to make a different point.

[TeyshaBlue]

He's just running for president as an "outsider" now.
:lol :lol

[mogrovejo]

I thought you said voters aren't stupid. I guess they indeed are when you're trying to make a different point.

How so? Are you saying that Obama didn't run on that platform and didn't present himself as a conciliator that would heal Washington and deliver bipartisanship consensus on the biggest issues? Didn't he present himself as a fiscally concious democrat who would tackled down the deficit?

So far, he's done the exact opposite of what he promised.

[ElNono]

How so? Are you saying that Obama didn't run on that platform and didn't present himself as a conciliator that would heal Washington and deliver bipartisanship consensus on the biggest issues? Didn't he present himself as a fiscally concious democrat who would tackled down the deficit?

I missed that part on his campaign. I do remember him talking about ending wars, and a public health option that would actually be paid for.

Actually, I think it was Palin the one that spearheaded the 'same old Washington' meme, IIRC.


So far, he's done the exact opposite of what he promised.

I definitely agree with you on that.

[coyotes_geek]

How so? Are you saying that Obama didn't run on that platform and didn't present himself as a conciliator that would heal Washington and deliver bipartisanship consensus on the biggest issues? Didn't he present himself as a fiscally concious democrat who would tackled down the deficit?

So far, he's done the exact opposite of what he promised.

You're right about the concillatory and bipartisan talk, but I don't remember him saying much of anything with regards to fiscal responsibility. His campaign was pretty much just "not bush" and a bunch of "hope and change" warm fuzzies.

[boutons_deux]

I hear Bayh's wife is on the board of Wellpoint.
No surprise he voted against a public option.

He's no moderate. He just another venal asshole in the pocket of the corporations.

Any bets that his main lobbying area will be pimping BigPharma and BigHealthInsurance?

[Nbadan]

...the real Bayh...


The mainstream media has been giving Evan Bayh a big fat sloppy kiss for the last 24 hours. Every single story is about how moderate and centrist and independent he is. Golly gee willikers, Evan Bayh is such a pure and innocent person and he just couldn't take the corruption of Congress anymore. He was so fed up with the partisanship and like any great man decided he must strike out on his own and leave DC.

Come on, are these people this naïve or do they have a stake in this? Do you really think Evan Bayh only has pure motivations and was the last good man in Washington. This is absolutely absurd and on many fronts the exact opposite of the truth. No one made a deal with corporate lobbyists faster than Evan Bayh did. He wasn't sick of the problems of DC, he was the problem of DC.

Bayh masked his craven capitulation to corporate lobbyists with a veneer of bipartisanship and moderation. If he sold out to enough special interests, he could claim that he was on both sides. But the one side he was never against was business interests that fed him his campaign cash.

So, he is a typical fake politician; I get that and I can live with it. What bothers me is how the media plays along. They have been running a giant ad for Evan Bayh's future political career or future lobbying career over the last couple of days. There is never a skeptical story about how Evan Bayh might be retiring to cash in on lobbyist money. And for those of you not familiar with the process - and apparently that's the entire DC media - the most powerful tool lobbyists have is the implied bribe that politicians get at the end of their career. If you play ball and do what you've been told, you're nearly guaranteed a multi-million dollar payoff at the end. Look at Tom Daschle, Dick Gephardt, Billy Tauzin, Dick Armey. This list goes on and on. Everybody gets rich, oh right, except the American people.

Yet, not one knucklehead on TV has suggested that Bayh might be leaving to take the money. Instead they paint him as this hero of bipartisanship and moderation. It's a giant ad for Bayh. If he wanted to buy this much positive media coverage in the form of commercials, he'd have to spend nearly a billion dollars on every station in the country. Instead, the corporate media does him this favor as a going away present. And my guess is there will be nary a word when he resurfaces as a multi-million dollar corporate lobbyist in a little while. And then if he resurfaces in politics later, again the mention of his corporate ties will be glorified as the moves of a savvy businessman and the so-called moderate will ride back into town as a hero.

If they're not doing this on purpose, then they are hideously misinformed about the process and grossly negligent in reporting the real facts of Washington. If they are doing it on purpose (not the television actors posing as news anchors, they have almost no idea, but the producers and executives that make decisions on news coverage), then we're all screwed. Everything is an illusion meant to mask the reality of corporate dominance over DC. If you play ball, you're a hero. If you don't, you're a fringe outsider (otherwise known to the rest of us as a real American). Corporate robots in the media supporting corporate robots in politics. I don't know why I ever get surprised by any of this.

Kos (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/2/16/837613/-The-Medias-Billion-Dollar-Ad-for-Evan-Bayh)

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, if duh daley cause seys it.

[Marcus Bryant]

LOL @ he's no true Democrat.

[jack sommerset]

Dems are dropping like flies but Obama marches forward. Good for him keeping that smile up.

[jack sommerset]

It's amazing how the dems are turning on this guy. Fuck, he easily was in top 5 of running mates for Obama. 13 mil in the bank, up by double digits but decides to bail on his leader. Smart move!

[George Gervin's Afro]

It's amazing how the dems are turning on this guy. Fuck, he easily was in top 5 of running mates for Obama. 13 mil in the bank, up by double digits but decides to bail on his leader. Smart move!

which dems are turning against obama jack? i guess using your loose logic then any republican who is retiring is abondoning the republican party.. :lmao

you have no idea what you're talking about ..

[jack sommerset]

which dems are turning against obama jack? i guess using your loose logic then any republican who is retiring is abondoning the republican party.. :lmao

you have no idea what you're talking about ..

You really do get confused easy. I'm talking about the dems in general turning against Bayh but since you asked, they are Obama too. Just look at his approval rating. Look at the folks already quiting such as Bayh. Look at Mass, New Jersey and Virginia. Obama states a year ago.

Seriously, are you a republican? You can always get another troll or something. Are you really a republican acting dumb?

[Wild Cobra]

I wonder what's happening to all the career politicians. At first, I thought they lost national party support, and were told so. Then I thought the see the crystal ball, that they will not win in the next election. Now I think it's both.