Do Caron & Haywood even want to be in Dallas?

[monosylab1k]

I listened to the press conference today and there was absolutely no excitement in their voices about being in Dallas. Just the usual rote "we're happy to play for a contender" said in extreme monotone.

Really, they were far happier talking about the good ol' days in Washington than they were talking about their future in Dallas.

It makes me wonder just how hard they're going to play, because honestly they sound like they don't even want to be here.

[monosylab1k]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rP4wVRJeSFQ/S3n7YOSdPLI/AAAAAAAAAss/1GVBJijVOgk/s400/96727041.jpg

Those guys look positively giddy.

[Cane]

Mark Cuban is great for us since we have the fan perspective...but a player's perspective is probably pretty different since they know they're expendable and have big expectations to fulfill. They could also still be in shock of all the incredible bullshit that happened in Washington ;)

But I don't watch those guys at press conferences, maybe thats how they are all the time?

[monosylab1k]

Mark Cuban is great for us since we have the fan perspective...but a player's perspective is probably pretty different since they know they're expendable and have big expectations to fulfill. They could also still be in shock of all the incredible bullshit that happened in Washington ;)

But I don't watch those guys at press conferences, maybe thats how they are all the time?

Yeah, I guess we'll see how they behave on the court. I was just extremely underwhelmed by their enthusiasm (or lack thereof).

[endrity]

In his one on one interview Caron seemed much more interested, but in the end it's a business for them.

[badfish22]

You need to litsen to the one on one interview. He sounds a lot more excited in that, he call Jet his big brother and jokes around with Marion.
www.nba.com/video/mavericks <-----link

[Darthkiller]

lol@ shawn marion in there

[23LeBronJames23]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rP4wVRJeSFQ/S3n7YOSdPLI/AAAAAAAAAss/1GVBJijVOgk/s400/96727041.jpg

Those guys look positively giddy.

Deshawn looks so gay with that beard

[BRHornet45]

son most brothas don't show much excitement about anything like this because they have street cred to keep. they play it cool, but deep down inside they are jumping for joy just like a little white boy wearing one of those propeller caps.

[Bob Lanier]

Does anyone?

[Bob Lanier]

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/fuck-dallas.jpg

[Fpoonsie]

Guarantee you they're more excited about playin in Dallas than J. Ho is in D.C.

[Rogue]

They were crammed with so great expectations that they don't think they can fulfill well, thats why they're struggling with mental intensity that overwhelms their joy and excitement about joining a contender.

[hater]

I don't see any minutes for Stevenson

Haywood is not much upgrade over Damp if at all

Butler is solid but dissapears at times, plus I don't see Marion and Buttler and Dirk on the floor at same time.

other than that, good trade for mavs. They are a better team beause of it. :tu

[Ghazi]

Considering Damp hasn't been able to play many times this year, Haywoods a huge upgrade. Quit being ignorant.

[stretch]

Haywood is not much upgrade over Damp if at all

now you're just being a total dumbass

[hater]

haywood is gotta be the most overrated bigman in spurstalk. He was averaging those numbers in the wizards for christ sake!!!

It's like those dumbass spursfans that said RJ will average 20ppg in the Spurs :pctoss

[Pelicans78]

Haywood > Dampier. He is.

Question will be if Marion and Butler can be on the floor with Dirk. I'm not sure about that and is it better having Terry on the bench?

They definitely have more depth and talent with Haywood starting.

I think Butler will come off the bench early on and Dallas will go with Marion and Terry.

Can't wait to see Dallas at OKC tonight. I predict Dallas will win. No answer for Dirk, Haywood will play well, and the Mavs depth will be too much.

[stretch]

haywood is gotta be the most overrated bigman in spurstalk. He was averaging those numbers in the wizards for christ sake!!!

It's like those dumbass spursfans that said RJ will average 20ppg in the Spurs :pctoss

:rolleyes

typically big time scorers that go to a team with multiple good scorers, will suffer in their scoring due to less opportunities (especially a guy like jefferson who is a volume scorer, as opposed to an efficient scorer). but dirty work guys that get to go to teams with multiple good scorers usually will get less attention on them, and even more ability to shine (see Pau Gasol). now im not saying that Haywood is on Gasol's level, but he basically does the same things Gasol does... protecting the paint, rebounding on both ends, blocking shots, and getting easy buckets. Gasol's totals may have dropped a little bit, but his efficiency shot through the roof after going to the Lakers.

[TimDunkem]

haywood is gotta be the most overrated bigman in spurstalk. He was averaging those numbers in the wizards for christ sake!!!

It's like those dumbass spursfans that said RJ will average 20ppg in the Spurs :pctoss
Dumbass. Rebounding, and shot blocking translates very well. You should know that with a guy like DeJaun Blair on the Spurs.

[monosylab1k]

haywood is gotta be the most overrated bigman in spurstalk. He was averaging those numbers in the wizards for christ sake!!!

It's like those dumbass spursfans that said RJ will average 20ppg in the Spurs :pctoss

:lmao if the Spurs traded for Haywood you'd be talking about how he's a top 3 defensive big in the league. Homer ass Spur fans.

[sefant77]

Its not about if Damp or Haywood is better. With Damp healthy its a wash.

Its all about an injury insurance for Damp and more depth. With Damp on the bench or DNP the interior defense fell apart, now you cal fill 48min/12 fouls with a Damp/Haywood combo.

Butler and a healthy Josh is a wash too, but with the ankles Josh wont be the "old" Josh anymore. And he was kind of "stuck" in Dallas, i think he really need that change too.

So Butler is there an upgrade too.

[monosylab1k]

Its not about if Damp or Haywood is better. With Damp healthy its a wash.

It absolutely is not. Haywood can do one thing Dampier has never been able to do - catch a freaking pass.

[hater]

Its not about if Damp or Haywood is better. With Damp healthy its a wash.

thank you, finally a smart mavfan



Its all about an injury insurance for Damp and more depth. With Damp on the bench or DNP the interior defense fell apart, now you cal fill 48min/12 fouls with a Damp/Haywood combo.

Butler and a healthy Josh is a wash too, but with the ankles Josh wont be the "old" Josh anymore. And he was kind of "stuck" in Dallas, i think he really need that change too.

So Butler is there an upgrade too.

I agree, good trade for mavs.

[CubanMustGo]

Great move for Dallas and you have to think these guys will be happier playing for a contender whose owner doesn't hesitate to spend $$$. Congrats.

[mavs>spurs2]

It absolutely is not. Haywood can do one thing Dampier has never been able to do - catch a freaking pass.

And finish from 2 feet, although Damp has been better about this so far this year.

[sefant77]

Yes, Damp was able to finish A LOT over the rim this year, way more than all the years before, surprised me. Haywood hasnt great hands either, but i guess he could be better there with Kidd.

But Damp is also one of the best screen setters in the league and he has tons of playoff experience. So im not that fast in throwing out that Haywood is better than a 100% Damp.

[hater]

whoever said haywood has great hands is a dumbass. haywood fumbles every 1 in 3 passes.

[badfish22]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2741/4362262245_78e2c090c3_o.jpg

[monosylab1k]

whoever said haywood has great hands is a dumbass. haywood fumbles every 1 in 3 passes.

Just stop posting. Your dumb ass probably hasn't seen Brendan Haywood play 5 games in your whole life. If he was traded to the Spurs you'd be talking about what a dominant big he is and how he fits perfectly with Duncan. GTFO.

[Will Hunting]

whoever said haywood has great hands is a dumbass. haywood fumbles every 1 in 3 passes.


He fumbles 1 of every 3 passes? What is this based off, do you sit there and keep track every time he fumbles a pass?

[HarlemHeat37]

Haywood definitely doesn't have great hands, but they aren't bad at all either..average hands..

He's clearly an upgrade over Dampier though..I don't know how he will look in Dallas, but he was a great rebounder and one of the top 5 post defenders in the NBA in Washington(he's one of my favorite players, I really wanted the Spurs to get him)..

He doesn't have a post-up game, but he's definitely more reliable than Dampier offensively..he can at least finish strong inside on a consistent basis..

I think he'll fit though, he plays the same style as Dampier, so it shouldn't be difficult to integrate him..we'll see though..

[Pentagruel]

They are looking pretty solid in their first game at the very least.

[monosylab1k]

Haywood definitely doesn't have great hands, but they aren't bad at all either..average hands..

Haywood had bad hands 3 years ago, he's improved tremendously.

[stretch]

after seeing Butler in a post-game interview, its very clear that hes happy as hell to be in dallas. every time he started talking about dirk or kidd and how much easier they make the game for him, his eyes would light up and he couldnt stop grinning. seemed almost like he took some very slight jabs at agent zero, saying that the main way he would get points is by having to get the rebound, bring it up himself, and make a score, and that he doesnt have to do anything like that in dallas. ive heard that him and gilbert never really got along either.

[murpjf88]

You should have seen RJ during his press conference. He almost fell asleep.

[dirk4mvp]

whoever said haywood has great hands is a dumbass. haywood fumbles every 1 in 3 passes.

rofl what a dumbshit.

[stretch]

lol haywoods hands seems pretty damn good to me. he caught stuff tonight that dampier has never caught in his life

[badfish22]

rofl what a dumbshit.

No, hater spends all day counting the amount of times Haywood gets passed the ball and compares it to how many times he fumbles it. He then breaks it down into a simple fraction.

:lmao


Good to hear about the Butler interview. Didn't catch it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Just look up the number of Spurs fans that were hating on 'Wood when I was lobbying for the Spurs to get him..you'll have more quoteables to laugh at..

[Findog]

It absolutely is not. Haywood can do one thing Dampier has never been able to do - catch a freaking pass.

Goddamn right. He's not 2001-era Shaquille O'Neal, but he's the first complete center we've had since James Fucking Donaldson.

[Xylus]

The game tonight would have been a lot closer if Dampier was playing.

[sefant77]

"On a team like this where the guys really understand basketball...where the true objective is just to win. Its just a great situation and I'm really loving it already and I'm only two games in." Butler with Skin after the game tonight.

Butler trashing Arenas.

[Rogue]

"On a team like this where the guys really understand basketball...where the true objective is just to win. Its just a great situation and I'm really loving it already and I'm only two games in." Butler with Skin after the game tonight.

Butler trashing Arenas.
your managers don't know basketball, which ruins all.

[duhoh]

:lmao if the Spurs traded for Haywood you'd be talking about how he's a top 3 defensive big in the league. Homer ass Spur fans.

yup yup.

rebounding and blocking goes well anywhere. when haywood went down after gilbert's surgery, washington had absolutely garbage defense in the paint. Haywood kept the numbers manageable for Washington. yes many posters here over-rate this guy, but his presence is going to be felt in the paint.

A younger guy who plays similarly with greater/equal skill will be better than an old, decrepit injury-riddled guy like dampier. Haywood is an upgrade.

I would be very happy if Haywood ended up in SA, but good for DAL. I think they've got a legitimate shot at taking out DEN, dunno about LAL yet.

[Chieflion]

I still can't get over this trade. I wanted both of them.