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duncan228
02-18-2010, 12:53 AM
Old deal: The trade the Spurs had to have (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/Old_deal_The_trade_the_Spurs_had_to_have.html)
Buck Harvey

The Spurs pulled off a multi-player trade Wednesday night, and they had to give up a lot.

Mostly, they had to give up the last few years.

But there they were in Indianapolis, the trade completed, showing off with their new acquisitions: Manu Ginobili with end-of-the-game toughness, Tim Duncan with 26 rebounds and Tony Parker with 28 points.

Nice additions, and a better reminder.

For all the concern about everyone else on the roster, this is the deal that matters.

That hasn't always been clear leading up to today's trade deadline. A way to fix the Spurs, it seemed, involved dealing Antonio McDyess, Richard Jefferson or Roger Mason Jr.

Each has disappointed at times, but mostly the Spurs' front office has seen them as economic problems. A common link in wanting to trade them has been contracts that didn't match their production.

Mason's case was more notable recently. When his agent said Mason would like to play elsewhere, in order to get more minutes, the Spurs wanted to make him happy — because they would have made Peter Holt happy. The Spurs were looking to dump his salary for as little as a second-round draft pick in return.

That implies Mason was the wrong player when he signed in the summer of 2008. Instead, he just arrived at the wrong time, and he's not the first to do this.

Terry Porter and Kurt Thomas, among others, also were smart extras with championship potential. Neither won a ring.

But was it their fault? Or was it because Duncan hurt his knee in Porter's first season in San Antonio, and a teenage Parker was still learning in his final one? Did Thomas fail, or was it because he never played with a healthy Ginobili in the playoffs?

Others, such as Mario Elie and Brent Barry, were luckier.

Mason isn't the same player they were. Elie was a defensive bulldog with a winner's instinct, and Barry added passing to his long-distance shooting.

Still, there's always a place for someone who could do what Mason did last year. From Christmas in Phoenix to clever contact with Derek Fisher to beat the Lakers, Mason had as many big-shot moments as Elie or Barry did.

But along the way, because of injuries to Ginobili, Mason played more than he should have. He was eventually exposed, when he would have been better suited getting spot minutes. Wednesday gave an example.

Then, Mason threw in a significant 3-pointer at the end of the third quarter. At the time, the Spurs were losing their lead and needed a lift.

When Jefferson came up with his own late 3-pointer in the fourth, Mason looked like someone who won't be a distraction because he isn't playing as much as he would like. He could be seen on the bench, clapping.

It was enough against the Pacers, just as it was for Elie, Barry and others in the past. Even with Parker still hurting, and Duncan enduring what he called “the worst shooting night of my life,” the Spurs stars were still stars.

Will it last? If Parker's hip couldn't heal over the All-Star break, then he will be in pain again. Duncan's body wilted last year, and Ginobili hasn't finished strong since the Spurs' last title.

Still, no matter what happens, Wednesday outlined the only way the Spurs can succeed. Then, with role players helping, the core of three championships was in place.

All the way to the end. After George Hill had to force a shot as the 24-second clock expired, what followed was a fitting sequence of tips.

From Ginobili to Duncan to Parker.

L.I.T
02-18-2010, 12:58 AM
The issue with Mason is simple: he went from an injury induced 30 minutes, a role he wasn't supposed to have to begin with, to 20 minutes, a role he was always supposed to have, and he did not like it. Especially with this being a contract year.

On no good team in this league is he a 25+ minute rotational player. He's great to come in, make shots and help spread the floor.

Edit: I don't think though that he is a cancer. He just wants to play and the only thing he may be guilty of is overvaluing his game.

Crazymaddopeyo
02-18-2010, 01:04 AM
What is this article saying? I feel like it's trying to instill false hope almost.

Budkin
02-18-2010, 01:05 AM
This article sucks.

TheSpursFNRule
02-18-2010, 01:05 AM
Wow terrible read.

eyeh8u
02-18-2010, 01:07 AM
This article sucks.


Wow terrible read.

exactly i read the first sentence and was scrambling to find out what multi player trade the spurs made, and after 20 seconds of confusion i was like WTF, shitass article

murpjf88
02-18-2010, 01:07 AM
Crude pun.

Sean Cagney
02-18-2010, 01:13 AM
Blahhhhh, Harvey just writes to write something at times, he gets paid to write so he does about bullshyt most of the time. I am glad Tim had 26 boards and that Tony had 28 and Gino showed up, but thats nothing new here, thats a given or was in the past.

I thought we made a trade too at first, then saw the first few lines and laughed.

UnWantedTheory
02-18-2010, 01:16 AM
*fart*

Dex
02-18-2010, 01:25 AM
What a long way of saying that the fortunes of this team still rides on the Big Three.

Obstructed_View
02-18-2010, 02:04 AM
The only thing I am after that article is about a minute older.

SenorSpur
02-18-2010, 02:06 AM
One of the worst articles I've read in some time.

Duncan2177
02-18-2010, 02:06 AM
:sleep

spurs_2108
02-18-2010, 02:12 AM
Same as yall WTF?

Newton
02-18-2010, 02:14 AM
The only thing I am after that article is about a minute older.

And reduced by a few hundred brain cells. I've had more coherent and insightful dreams than this article.

Spur|n|Austin
02-18-2010, 02:24 AM
yep that's a crap article right there.

Manudo Flopo
02-18-2010, 02:32 AM
No Trade for you!!

You really SUCK

crc21209
02-18-2010, 02:54 AM
One of the worst articles I've read in some time.

+1. Seemed like he just wrote up whatever just to have something written...:td

Sean Cagney
02-18-2010, 03:14 AM
No Trade for you!!

You really SUCK

Yeah your team really looks hopeful now too hahahaha, yeah....... I know you got Nate, but damn man they are all older now too, in the same damn boat.

AnthonyM
02-18-2010, 03:25 AM
Actually the article itself is well written.

The content and point he is trying to make sucks.

slick'81
02-18-2010, 03:54 AM
and the point of this article was?!?!

AnthonyM
02-18-2010, 04:08 AM
The point is that the Spurs need Manu, Tim, and Tony to play at the level they are (or were) capable of for the Spurs to do anything. A trade won't help that.

But it's dumb because we all know that.

alchemist
02-18-2010, 04:11 AM
and the point of this article was?!?!
That if the Big 3 don't play it doesn't matter what role players they bring in.

slick'81
02-18-2010, 04:16 AM
so i guess the role players arent to blame as much as the big 3 being inconsistent lol got it :tu

Mr. Body
02-18-2010, 04:20 AM
Actually the article itself is well written.

The content and point he is trying to make sucks.

Rogue
02-18-2010, 04:27 AM
so i guess the role players arent to blame as much as the big 3 being inconsistent lol got it :tu
Even with current rosters the Spurs can still provide tough contests to whomever they play against when their players are healthy. In grayer words once they have one or two pivots broken they're getting curbstomped.

AnthonyM
02-18-2010, 04:28 AM
so i guess the role players arent to blame as much as the big 3 being inconsistent lol got it :tu

The article isn't about blame.

It's calling out all of the trade talk by saying that no matter what trade is made that the biggest thing for the Spurs to do anything worthwhile in the NBA is to have the Big 3 playing at a championship caliber level.

Pretty simple.

Sisk
02-18-2010, 04:37 AM
exactly i read the first sentence and was scrambling to find out what multi player trade the spurs made, and after 20 seconds of confusion i was like WTF, shitass article

Seriously.. what the hell?

Great attention getter.. everything else, fail.

Muser
02-18-2010, 05:34 AM
Wtf, good article, terrible headline.

Chieflion
02-18-2010, 06:04 AM
Good article, just like a good player in Richard Jefferson.
Overhyped headline, just like the overhyped Richard Jefferson.

newacc
02-18-2010, 06:35 AM
All the way to the end. After George Hill had to force a shot as the 24-second clock expired, what followed was a fitting sequence of tips.

From Ginobili to Duncan to Parker.

Haha. Buck Harvey still trying hard after all these years.

mountainballer
02-18-2010, 06:57 AM
bla bla bla.
some articles just should never have been written.
he tries to look somehow witty and at the same time tries to solace the disappointed fan base that the FO won't be able improve the worst team in the Duncan era.
failed.
Buck Harvey looks like RJ on the court. Much Ado About Nothing.

ploto
02-18-2010, 08:07 AM
What is this article saying? I feel like it's trying to instill false hope almost.

Apparently, a three-point victory over the Pacers is a cause for great hope!

easy7
02-18-2010, 08:28 AM
Hmmm, spoken like a true politician.

Bartleby
02-18-2010, 08:56 AM
The Buck Harvey formula for sports journalism:


- "Clever" lead to grab reader's attention by pretending to say something unexpected or controversial

- what he was really talking about

- allusion to lead to provide a sense of closure


Repeat.

Keepin' it real
02-18-2010, 08:58 AM
Great article. All you critics are a bunch of losers. I bet you suck at your jobs; it's just too bad there's no way for me and others to criticize what you do and how you do it (I'm guessing you mop floors, bag groceries ... that kind of thing) in a public forum. Get a life.

Bartleby
02-18-2010, 08:59 AM
Hi Buck

all_heart
02-18-2010, 09:09 AM
Great article. All you critics are a bunch of losers. I bet you suck at your jobs; it's just too bad there's no way for me and others to criticize what you do and how you do it (I'm guessing you mop floors, bag groceries ... that kind of thing) in a public forum. Get a life.

No dude, this article did suck.. if it didn't we wouldn't be bitchin about it. It was an article that made to sound like a trade happened but instead mentioned Porter, Elie, and Thomas. So we have a right to say WTF?! Basketball isn't meant to be clever, cute or philosophical, it is what it is which is just basketball. As crazy Spurs fans, we want to seem them succeed and a article like this is what you call non-news, which sometimes makes for a bad read, especially in this instance, in this forum.

dbestpro
02-18-2010, 09:28 AM
The Spurs should not have required heroics in the first place. Pops lousy coaching is what put them in the hole once again.

rjv
02-18-2010, 11:32 AM
the key is jefferson. if he can blend in over these last 30 games then they will be much improved.

Mr. Body
02-18-2010, 05:49 PM
bumping

to remind everyone the REAL TRADE was this one, getting miraculously different players than the ones we had!