Small Plane crashes into building in Austin

[ATRAIN]

on fox news right now

[ATRAIN]

Looks like its prob an accident

[ATRAIN]

They said the building housed the FBI but they are now saying that the FBI is another building. FBI is saying right now terrorism is not involved.

[Dex]

These terrorists are getting lazy.

[ATRAIN]

These terrorists are getting lazy.

I doubt this would be a terroist act. There are other buildings you would think they would target in Austin, not this small building that is in North Austin. If it was downtown I would say yeah maybe.

[Dex]

I doubt this would be a terroist act. There are other buildings you would think they would target in Austin, not this small building that is in North Austin. If it was downtown I would say yeah maybe.

'twas kidding.

For some reason, I can't see terrorists focusing their attack on Austin, Tx. Unless they were going for the capital building or something.

[ATRAIN]

'twas kidding.

For some reason, I can't see terrorists focusing their attack on Austin, Tx. Unless they were going for the capital building or something.

Yeah I agree. They are now saying there are reports that some people saw the plane flying out of control and barely missed powerlines.

[ashbeeigh]

The complex houses FBI and IRS offices. Just sayin'.

[ATRAIN]

The complex houses FBI and IRS offices. Just sayin'.

but not the building that was hit

[robino2001]

I work right down the road from it... felt/heard the boom - scary shit

[ashbeeigh]

but not the building that was hit

I never said they were the brightest crayons in the box - much like you.

[angel_luv]

I work right down the road from it... felt/heard the boom - scary shit

I am sure it was. I am glad you are okay.

[tlongII]

Inside job!

[ATRAIN]

They are saying the pilot had some IRS issues. He set his house on fire and got in his plane and tried to hit the IRS building.

[mrsmaalox]

That's too bad, but it's strange because it looks like near perfect flying conditions out there.

[robino2001]

I was just coming to mention that... hearing the same story.

[phyzik]

My older brother works in that area, just got a text from him saying he's OK.

[ATRAIN]

Ive passed that building thousands of times and still have no idea what kind of offices those are.

[JudynTX]

Wife and kid had to be rescued from that burning home. WTF

[angel_luv]

Oh my gosh! How awful!

[Drachen]

'twas kidding.

For some reason, I can't see terrorists focusing their attack on Austin, Tx. Unless they were going for the capital building or something.

it IS the tallest capitol building in the US (that statement includes the federal capitol building).

[Drachen]

Wife and kid had to be rescued from that burning home. WTF

With the wife and kid, I wonder if he was trying to kill the wife so that she wouldn't have the IRS problems. . . the kid because it wouldn't have any parents.

[robino2001]

SUPPOSEDLY.....

He fought with the wife before all of this went down... but it was planned. Again... SUPPOSEDLY... he set the cat on fire, then set the house on fire, drove to Georgetown, stole a plane (or used his own), flew it directly into the building. Name has been released, they found a manifesto at the hangar at the airport which is already circulating locally... a bunch of ranting about the IRS, blah blah blah.

Coworker has an IRS friend who works at that building... supposedly the one unaccounted is a field worker who also works from home a lot so they're hoping he wasn't there.

[ATRAIN]

With the wife and kid, I wonder if he was trying to kill the wife so that she wouldn't have the IRS problems. . . the kid because it wouldn't have any parents.

The IRS was probably going to take his house and his plane (if it was his) The office is supposidly the IRS "last resort" office. Not sure what that means but doesnt seem good .

[lil'mo]

My older brother works in that area, just got a text from him saying he's OK.

you mean that flamingly gay dude?

[ATRAIN]

SUPPOSEDLY.....

He fought with the wife before all of this went down... but it was planned. Again... SUPPOSEDLY... he set the cat on fire, then set the house on fire, drove to Georgetown, stole a plane (or used his own), flew it directly into the building. Name has been released, they found a manifesto at the hangar at the airport which is already circulating locally... a bunch of ranting about the IRS, blah blah blah.

Coworker has an IRS friend who works at that building... supposedly the one unaccounted is a field worker who also works from home a lot so they're hoping he wasn't there.

WTF :lmao

not to laugh at the situation but setting the cat on fire is bad ass. I fucking hate cats.

[Bartleby]

he set the cat on fire

wtf?

[Fpoonsie]

SUPPOSEDLY... he set the cat on fire, ...


It's just a cat.

[robino2001]

The cat thing just kinda shows the dude was nuts, you know. Neighbor of guy talked to wife after everything started getting linked together. He asked her (according to his interview) "is he capable of this?" She said yes.

Maybe the manifesto wasn't found at the hanger but was online instead.... here it is if you care. http://www.embeddedart.com/

[ATRAIN]

The cat thing just kinda shows the dude was nuts, you know. Neighbor of guy talked to wife after everything started getting linked together. He asked her (according to his interview) "is he capable of this?" She said yes.

Maybe the manifesto wasn't found at the hanger but was online instead.... here it is if you care. http://www.embeddedart.com/

Damn crazy ass

[RandomGuy]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/PiperPA-28-236DakotaC-GGFSPhoto4.JPG/300px-PiperPA-28-236DakotaC-GGFSPhoto4.JPG

Picture of the type of plane, FWIW

[RandomGuy]

SUPPOSEDLY.....

He fought with the wife before all of this went down... but it was planned. Again... SUPPOSEDLY... he set the cat on fire, then set the house on fire, drove to Georgetown, stole a plane (or used his own), flew it directly into the building. Name has been released, they found a manifesto at the hangar at the airport which is already circulating locally... a bunch of ranting about the IRS, blah blah blah.

Coworker has an IRS friend who works at that building... supposedly the one unaccounted is a field worker who also works from home a lot so they're hoping he wasn't there.

lastest updates
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1

[Drachen]

lastest updates
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1

I just hope this isn't the second stop of a trend where the crazy slowly creeps south on 35.

[IceColdBrewski]

In before mouse and Cosmored!


http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt25/IceColdBrewski/conspiracy.jpg

[1369]

I just hope this isn't the second stop of a trend where the crazy slowly creeps south on 35.

It's coming. Just wait until Manu gets traded.

[CosmicCowboy]

I just read the suicide note. Dude was definitely pissed off at the IRS and fucking crazy.

[thispego]

I just read the suicide note. Dude was definitely pissed off at the IRS and fucking crazy.

aside from crashing his plane into a building and setting his cat and house on fire, what about the suicide note made you think he was 'fucking crazy'? He makes a lot of sense and addresses legitimate grievances in the letter.

[robino2001]

I just hope this isn't the second stop of a trend where the crazy slowly creeps south on 35.

The "crazy" was yet another douche from Cali who's invading the Austin/SA area :king

The general thought up here is you're living in a $300k house and have a plane... life doesn't suck THAT bad (and, yes, I know some people have crappy situations no matter how financially well off they are, etc).

[angel_luv]

aside from crashing his plane into a building and setting his cat and house on fire, what about the suicide note made you think he was 'fucking crazy'? He makes a lot of sense and addresses legitimate grievances in the letter.

do you guys have a link to the letter you can post?

[robino2001]

do you guys have a link to the letter you can post?

was on embeddedart.com but FBI requested to have it removed. Smoking Gun has it here (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0218102stack1.html)

[ATRAIN]

The "crazy" was yet another douche from Cali who's invading the Austin/SA area :king

The general thought up here is you're living in a $300k house and have a plane... life doesn't suck THAT bad (and, yes, I know some people have crappy situations no matter how financially well off they are, etc).

You know I was thinking the same although im sure they were probably going to repo his house and or plane and he was put over the edge.

[CosmicCowboy]

aside from crashing his plane into a building and setting his cat and house on fire, what about the suicide note made you think he was 'fucking crazy'? He makes a lot of sense and addresses legitimate grievances in the letter.

Uhh...intentionally flying a plane into a building to "prove a point" with the IRS is not exactly a sign of mental stability.

[IceColdBrewski]

do you guys have a link to the letter you can post?




If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

· "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

· "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

· "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.



Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.



The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.



Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010

[leemajors]

Just drove by this 45 mins ago on my way back from lunch. Crazy.

[angel_luv]

was on embeddedart.com but FBI requested to have it removed. Smoking Gun has it here (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0218102stack1.html)

thank you.

[thispego]

Uhh...intentionally flying a plane into a building to "prove a point" with the IRS is not exactly a sign of mental stability.

I said ASIDE from that. The letter itself does not make him sound crazy. At all. He is absolutely right.

[Drachen]

The "crazy" was yet another douche from Cali who's invading the Austin/SA area :king

The general thought up here is you're living in a $300k house and have a plane... life doesn't suck THAT bad (and, yes, I know some people have crappy situations no matter how financially well off they are, etc).

I was alluding to Ft. Hood, then Austin, next San Marcos? New Braunfels?

[TheManFromAcme]

Pretty consistent with the "Keep Austin Weird" thing.

[Kermit]

Pretty consistent with the "Keep Austin Weird" thing.

Except that he emigrated from California.

[Leetonidas]

Based on the fact that they flew into an IRS building, this has to be at the hands of some angry American who is overdue on his taxes and wanted no records of it.

I was pretty close...

[Bukefal]

Weird...

Are there any deaths? I hope not.

[BlackSwordsMan]

where was obama when this terrorist act took place? impeach this sonofabitch

[ChumpDumper]

where was obama when this terrorist act took place? impeach this sonofabitch:lol I was waiting for the first Obama post.

[Spurtacus]

I'm glad this nut didn't kill anyone (except for maybe himself).

[angel_luv]

:lol I was waiting for the first Obama post.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147014

[EmptyMan]

Call the ambalamps?

[CuckingFunt]

Call the ambalamps?

One does not call the ambalamps.

One brings them.

[EmptyMan]

true dat

[JudynTX]

WTF?????????????

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Joe-Take-My-Pound-Of-Flesh-Stack-Anti-IRS-Fan-Page/315771449027?ref=nf

[robino2001]

I haven't seen anything officially said, and hopefully it's just a rumor but it seems (coworker has a friend who is with the IRS in that building) as if there will be at least a death, not including the pilot. It would be amazing/incredible if this entire thing went down and no one died except for the pilot and hopefully that ends up being the case.

[1369]

Can he write the plane off as a total loss?

[ChumpDumper]

Guess I have to drive through the neighborhood to get home tonight.

[CubanMustGo]

We almost bought a house on the street where this clown lived. No joke, if it wouldn't have been for the fact that the house we looked at backed to a very busy Metric, we'd probably be wondering WTF was going on.

The gist of this sicko's problem seems to have been that he was classified as a contractor, thus was responsible for making his own quarterly tax payments, didn't, and then got pissed off when he had to pay back taxes and penalties. And the last straw was apparently caused by his wife's unreported income which apparently no taxes were paid on, either.

Earn money, pay income taxes (and self-employment tax if a contractor). Seems easier to do than going on a murderous rampage.

[J.T.]

They were talking about this for the whole show on the Charlie Hodge Show today and they mentioned that dude had $12,000 (twelve thousand) in IRS debt. I dunno if that gets into "repo all your shit" territory but what kind of douchepussy of a man kills himself and tries to bring a bunch of people with him to Hell over twelve fucking grand?

Any institution that works to collect debts will work with you to pay it off and it's just shocking that someone with a nice house and a personal airplane couldn't find a way to pay off twelve grand. Most red-blooded, beer-drinking Americans probably have at least that much debt and you don't see ass tons of people trying to level the IRS building in their cities.

IMO if you're going to kill yourself just eat like 35 xanax. You'll fall asleep and die fairly painlessly.

[CubanMustGo]

They were talking about this for the whole show on the Charlie Hodge Show today and they mentioned that dude had $12,000 (twelve thousand) in IRS debt. I dunno if that gets into "repo all your shit" territory but what kind of douchepussy of a man kills himself and tries to bring a bunch of people with him to Hell over twelve fucking grand?

Any institution that works to collect debts will work with you to pay it off and it's just shocking that someone with a nice house and a personal airplane couldn't find a way to pay off twelve grand. Most red-blooded, beer-drinking Americans probably have at least that much debt and you don't see ass tons of people trying to level the IRS building in their cities.

IMO if you're going to kill yourself just eat like 35 xanax. You'll fall asleep and die fairly painlessly.

Yeah, the amounts he was complaining about ($40K in the other instance) are small for someone in the field he was in. Sounds like he was the kind of guy living beyond his means and not saving much so when the tax bills came due, it was oopsie time to liquidate a puny 401-(k).

The house is (was) a fairly average Austin home, appraised at $232K. Nice but not extravagant.

[DMX7]

where was obama when this terrorist act took place? impeach this sonofabitch

It was a civilian suicide. Where were you on 9/11?

[ploto]

The guy gripes about how salaries are less in Austin than in California-- duh!

[CubanMustGo]

This from CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash.profile/)


The California Franchise Tax Board said Stack's Software Systems Service Corporation license was suspended June 1, 2004, for not paying taxes in 1996 and 2002, CNN affiliate KCRA reported. And another of Stack's companies in California -- known as Prowess Engineering, which became Embedded Art -- had its license suspended November 1, 2000, for a failure to file a 1994 tax return, KCRA reported.

[panic giraffe]

WTF?????????????

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Joe-Take-My-Pound-Of-Flesh-Stack-Anti-IRS-Fan-Page/315771449027?ref=nf

there are some crazy people out there.

[BlackSwordsMan]

It was a civilian suicide. Where were you on 9/11?
good song I keep it under my TO-GO list in my ipod

[Clandestino]

Have we heard from boutons or nbadan? This could be one of them.

[CubanMustGo]

there are some crazy people out there.

Looks like FB has removed the page. Well done.

[ploto]

This story has all kinds of tragedy in it, but I have to admit a little chuckle at this:


Neighbor of guy talked to wife after everything started getting linked together. He asked her (according to his interview) "is he capable of this?" She said yes.

You always have commments from people saying how someone was such a nice guy, and they could never imagine him doing anything awful, but here you have this.

[CubanMustGo]

The gist of this sicko's problem seems to have been that he was classified as a contractor, thus was responsible for making his own quarterly tax payments, didn't, and then got pissed off when he had to pay back taxes and penalties. And the last straw was apparently caused by his wife's unreported income which apparently no taxes were paid on, either.

Earn money, pay income taxes (and self-employment tax if a contractor). Seems easier to do than going on a murderous rampage.

Looks like I got it backwards.

According to article in today's Statesman (http://www.statesman.com/news/local/1986-tax-law-change-was-source-of-anger-251658.html), it was actually the opposite: this 1986 tax law change forced technical contractors to have taxes withheld rather than allowing the contractors to file quarterly estimated taxes. Seems like much ado about nothing considering that whether the taxes are withheld per check or per quarterly estimated taxes, you gotta pay them. He just didn't want to have to pay income tax, period.


The change required companies that used high-tech contractors to withhold part of their salaries for income tax purposes, said Calvin Johnson, a law professor at the University of Texas who specializes in federal tax laws.

Previously, those workers did not have tax money withheld from their paychecks but made quarterly payments on their own based on their estimated income and could take deductions for items such as home offices that significantly reduced their taxes.

The loss of those extra deductions could have left someone owing money to the IRS, said Joseph Brophy, a Dallas certified public accountant.

Congress passed the 1986 law in an attempt to lower tax rates, Johnson said.

Lawmakers were upset at "big rich Silicon Valley people avoiding the withholding system, so... they said that high-tech engineers should be judged by normal rules," he said.

It appeared Stack was looking for a way out of the withholding system, Johnson said.

"If Stack had intended to pay tax on the quarterly payment system, he would have had no advantage from getting out of withholding. Indeed, the paperwork burdens go up," Johnson said. "I suspect he therefore had no intent to pay any tax, even when an independent contractor."

[Stringer_Bell]

I couldn't stand all the "criminal profilers" on TV talking about how his "constricted view" of options and obvious insanity caused this and how we all need to watch our neighbors more carefully because the Intel Community can't stop people like this unless they are reported by just normal folks like you and me...

But I ask, at what point do you report someone for a "constricted view" of options instead of helping to open up their options. Maybe it's because when you try to help them you realize everything is a fucked up and no one wants to listen and work toward a solution? This shit looks all too convenient to blame on the anti-government/Tea party crowd...dude just tweeked out (he bitched about the murder of people by government and healthcare industry, but tried to kill people himself), and now his alleged words are being used selectively to show us all that the people next door could be home grown terrorists.:wakeup

Also, does anyone know what the casualty/injury list was like? That building got torched so I expect there to a number of injuries and possible deaths.

[robino2001]

Also, does anyone know what the casualty/injury list was like? That building got torched so I expect there to a number of injuries and possible deaths.

All of this is unreported, so don't take it as 100% true if it ends up being off, but everything I've been told so far has held up.

The plane directly hit a break room, which saved a lot of casualties (I know, imagine that, government employees not being in a break room during the work day)... there was an office next door which had three people in it. One person was the reported death (appears to be the only one so far, along with pilot), one was severely burned, lost his nose, bad injuries, then the third broke a few bones and had minor burns. I'm not sure where the other injuries came from, but I believe there were 13, 14 injured and just the one dead.

While the single death is unfortunate, it's absolutely incredible that the death toll isn't in the double digits - especially when you look at the building as a whole.

[RandomGuy]

I couldn't stand all the "criminal profilers" on TV talking about how his "constricted view" of options and obvious insanity caused this and how we all need to watch our neighbors more carefully because the Intel Community can't stop people like this unless they are reported by just normal folks like you and me...

But I ask, at what point do you report someone for a "constricted view" of options instead of helping to open up their options. Maybe it's because when you try to help them you realize everything is a fucked up and no one wants to listen and work toward a solution? This shit looks all too convenient to blame on the anti-government/Tea party crowd...dude just tweeked out (he bitched about the murder of people by government and healthcare industry, but tried to kill people himself), and now his alleged words are being used selectively to show us all that the people next door could be home grown terrorists.:wakeup

Also, does anyone know what the casualty/injury list was like? That building got torched so I expect there to a number of injuries and possible deaths.

Two bodies, one of which is presumedly the kamikaze pilot, and one other person.

14 injured.

[NFO]

All of this is unreported, so don't take it as 100% true if it ends up being off, but everything I've been told so far has held up.

The plane directly hit a break room, which saved a lot of casualties (I know, imagine that, government employees not being in a break room during the work day)... there was an office next door which had three people in it. One person was the reported death (appears to be the only one so far, along with pilot), one was severely burned, lost his nose, bad injuries, then the third broke a few bones and had minor burns. I'm not sure where the other injuries came from, but I believe there were 13, 14 injured and just the one dead.

While the single death is unfortunate, it's absolutely incredible that the death toll isn't in the double digits - especially when you look at the building as a whole.

I have a direct connection with the building that was attacked yesterday and the one casualty within the IRS. The plane hit the persons office directly, and not a break room. The plane hit the side where the collection officers work and many collection officers work flexiplace (at their home) or out in the field, which probably saved a lot of innocent lives.

I agree with you that it is absolutely incredible that the death toll isn't in the double digits - especially when you look at the building as a whole.

[ChumpDumper]

I think he hit that retaining wall under the building first and that lessened the impact on the building itself. I drive on that access road almost every day to get to my girlfriend's place about 3 blocks away. It looked surreal last night with all the floodlights on it.

[CubanMustGo]

According to a graphic in the Statesman much of the area where the plane hit was space currently for lease. Doesn't help the guy who was in the office that was not for lease but it could have been much worse.

http://www.statesman.com/multimedia/dynamic/00193/WEB0219planecrashx_193946c.jpg

[thispego]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/CRIME/02/19/texas.plane.crash/story.joseph.stack.ko.jpg

Indiana.

[ChumpDumper]

Had to be bald. No other reason to wear a hat like that.