48MoH: Repercussions: When Good GMs Do Nothing

[duncan228]

Repercussions: When Good GMs Do Nothing (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/)
by Jesse Blanchard
48 Minutes of Hell

Throughout the Tim Duncan era the Spurs have operated on a certain stonecutters credo. Ironically, they now operate between a rock and a hard place. With a broken chisel.

The rock? Richard Jefferson’s burdensome contract. The hard place? The NBA Salary Cap. In the short term, there will be those who are disappointed that the Spurs didn’t make a move (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/frank_hughes/02/18/trade.winners.losers/1.html) based off what it represents this season.

Heading into the week I argued that the Spurs needed to make a trade (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2010/02/15/expiring-time-and-contracts/), if only to exchange their expiring contracts for similar role players who would become assets next season. Without an influx of talent at this deadline, the Spurs could find themselves in a worse position next year.

Keep reading → (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2010/02/19/repercussions-when-good-gms-do-nothing/#more-6554)

[Cane]

The Spurs FO did try to make trades; unfortunately there just wasn't any market for them.

As for the future; as long as Ginobili is healthy hopefully that means we'll resign him since I can't think of any player that could fill his void and $$$ for the Spurs.

It'll be interesting to see how the Spurs repsonds this offseason but that really depends on this season's performance. However with the upcoming CBA it only complicates things.

[Allanon]

Has Manu confirmed whether or not he's going to play in the World's this summer?

I think his decision there will determine his future contract.

Although, due to the Spur's cap situation, Manu seems to have the upper-hand. It almost seems as if the Spurs "have to" re-sign Manu no matter the cost or NT implications.

[hater]

If spurs have short season such as no playoffs or out in 1st round, (which is very likely) Manu might want to play for argentina. I don't see why not, especially since Spurs have not resigned him yet.

if spurs fail, I will hope for this just to see spurstalk reaction

[wildbill2u]

Who would have guessed last summer, in the rosy glow of bringing in Big Dick and Mcdidn't, that by Feb. everyone would be ready to throw them out with the bathwater as bad acquisitions.

And there would be no market for them in a trade with anyone in the league.

So we're gonna go with the ones we brought to the dance and see if they can possilby live up to the summer hype.

[urunobili]

Allanon:

Good thoughts. You're right on the money but I think Manu's level will keep improving and he will have the upper ground when negotiating with the Spurs and he will retire from NT AFTER playing in Turkey...

my 50 cents...

[EricB]

What a retarded title.

I would love to see the evidence they did "nothing"

Do they have the phone logs of the GM's office that they made none or recieved none?

[Lebowski Brickowski]

What a retarded title.

I would love to see the evidence they did "nothing"

Do they have the phone logs of the GM's office that they made none or recieved none?

So maybe the title should be "When bad GMs try to do something, but don't get anything done anyway."

[FvckMavs]

If spurs have short season such as no playoffs or out in 1st round, (which is very likely) Manu might want to play for argentina. I don't see why not, especially since Spurs have not resigned him yet.




I don't see him playing for NT. He won't get a big contract if he is injured again.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think Manu is going to get a big contract regardless. His injury history is bad enough, and teams will probably be bidding according to what they think will be the new max contract amounts and lengths for all but the most desirable free agents.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think Manu is going to get a big contract regardless. His injury history is bad enough, and teams will probably be bidding according to what they think will be the new max contract amounts and lengths for all but the most desirable free agents.

He's worth the MLE to a very good team. Off the bench for a LAL or Cleveland? Dynamite.

[ChumpDumper]

He's worth the MLE to a very good team. Off the bench for a LAL or Cleveland? Dynamite.Exactly. That's an average salary. Not big. I doubt he gets the full number of years either.

[StoneBuddha]

At this point, I don't know what would be more appealing to Manu. Playing for the Spurs at a little above the MLE, or playing for a contender for the MLE. Things have really changed quickly.

[MaNu4Tres]

Manu is worth more than the MLE and he will get more. Too many teams with too much cap space for him not to.

It may not be for 5-6 years but for 3 years for sure.

[Wombatzu]

what's going on with Nando de Colo? will he be worth a roster spot next season?

[SpurNation]

Enough already!

Damn depressing articles.

But it is what it is. Tank the rest of the season. Go for the highest possible draft pick(s) you can.

If others don't want to deal with the Spurs or come here by decision....F'um.

Go get what you need the best way you can and ram another title straight up their rears.

Just quit trying this year. The team will be caught in no man's land next season (and no telling for how long) if it makes it to the playoffs this year.

[SenorSpur]

What a retarded title.

I would love to see the evidence they did "nothing"

Do they have the phone logs of the GM's office that they made none or recieved none?

That "evidence" shit doesn't matter. Who gives a fuck about phone logs? :(

At the end of the day, "the question is did you get anything done to improve the talent level of the roster?" Hello! The answer is no. That's all that matters.

For once, stop apologizing for the FO.

[SenorSpur]

Without an influx of talent at this deadline, the Spurs could find themselves in a worse position next year.

This is EXACTLY the reason why it was important for the Spurs to have flipped those expiring contracts at the deadline - to drastically raise the talent level of the roster and accelerate the reload/rebuild.


The Spurs have a first round pick, but given their financial situation there is a large possibility they opt to go with their usual draft and stash.

Disagree. The Spurs are in no position to draft-n-stash. They need an infusion of talent now. They need to pick the best player and groom him accordingly.


And even if they keep their pick, there’s only so many times you can find a George Hill or DeJuan Blair that can contribute right away, the odds are against us.
Doesn't matter. Keep the pick. Unless they can go on some sort of tremendous winning streak and turn their season around, the Spurs may very well find themselves in the NBA Draft Lottery. Given the age and declining skills on this roster, the Spurs need to begin the process of stockpiling as many young, cheap, assets as they can.

[objective]

Disagree. The Spurs are in no position to draft-n-stash. They need an infusion of talent now. They need to pick the best player and groom him accordingly.

Doesn't matter. Keep the pick. Given the age and declining skills on this roster, the Spurs need to begin the process of stockpiling as many young, cheap, assets as they can.

I'd worry about this year's draft a lot.

Would anyone be that shocked if Holt, after the disaster of this season, went full Robert Sarver?

I'm talking no MLE (no Splitter), but more importantly the need for a cash infusion. They get that by selling this year's first for $3 million. Then in order to cut down on a salary they pull a Sarver-Kurt Thomas special. In order to get out of what remains on Antonio McDyess they give him up plus a future first for a conditional second.

BOOM

Dynasty over. Rebuilding over. Full On Garbage mode for years, no draft picks, no nothing.

It's a nightmare scenario . . . but it could happen.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, I think they will spend the MLE - but they might let Manu go. They'll probably go back to sub-tax level spending, but full on slash and burn doesn't seem terribly likely.

[Mel_13]

I'd worry about this year's draft a lot.

Would anyone be that shocked if Holt, after the disaster of this season, went full Robert Sarver?

I'm talking no MLE (no Splitter), but more importantly the need for a cash infusion. They get that by selling this year's first for $3 million. Then in order to cut down on a salary they pull a Sarver-Kurt Thomas special. In order to get out of what remains on Antonio McDyess they give him up plus a future first for a conditional second.

BOOM

Dynasty over. Rebuilding over. Full On Garbage mode for years, no draft picks, no nothing.

It's a nightmare scenario . . . but it could happen.

It's possible, but I really doubt it. All the moves last summer confined increased spending to this season and next. They tried to reload for the short term without sacrificing long term assets.

If they're going to reduce expenses, I'd bet they accomplish that by trading Parker for one or more smaller pieces. When you look at all the teams with cap space, some or most of them are going to fail to get the elite player they desire. So you trade into their cap space and get a good young player on a rookie contract and a giant trade exception.

You could see that happening with New York. They fail to get LeBron,Wade, or Bosh and settle for trying to recreate the Suns by signing Amare and Joe Johnson. They get Amare, but Atlanta antes up and keeps JJ. Now they trade for Parker to shift that cap space down the road and go after Melo in 2011.

[nkdlunch]

Manu brings ppl to the seats. That is very valuable. Oh, he will get paid. Most likely elsewhere.

[objective]

I'm not saying it will happen, but I would put it at a small enough percentage that I wouldn't faint when I heard the news.

Besides . . . .

This summer, they're already at the full cap without Manu or the MLE (Splitter). That's filling the roster with TD, TP, RJ, Dice, Hill, Blair, and picking up Hairston's minimum.

7 players, 5 more active roster spots to fill +1 inactive, and doing anything like re-signing Manu or the MLE gets them closer to the tax. Hell, they could be over the tax just by re-signing Manu if the cap drops enough.

[leemajors]

Enough already!

Damn depressing articles.

But it is what it is. Tank the rest of the season. Go for the highest possible draft pick(s) you can.

If others don't want to deal with the Spurs or come here by decision....F'um.

Go get what you need the best way you can and ram another title straight up their rears.

Just quit trying this year. The team will be caught in no man's land next season (and no telling for how long) if it makes it to the playoffs this year.

Spurs would probably trade down with a higher pick, and try to draft and stash to save money.

[Jace]

Spurs are going to have to rebuild at some point, the sooner we start the better for everyone involved

[Mel_13]

I'm not saying it will happen, but I would put it at a small enough percentage that I wouldn't faint when I heard the news.

Besides . . . .

This summer, they're already at the full cap without Manu or the MLE (Splitter). That's filling the roster with TD, TP, RJ, Dice, Hill, Blair, and picking up Hairston's minimum.

7 players, 5 more active roster spots to fill +1 inactive, and doing anything like re-signing Manu or the MLE gets them closer to the tax. Hell, they could be over the tax just by re-signing Manu if the cap drops enough.

Everything you've posted makes perfect sense.

Bottom line is the Spurs made an all-in bet to try to extend the championship window for two more seasons. They bet on RJ and Dice improving the team significantly, at least enough that an acquisition like Camby at the deadline would make them truly legit. So far it looks like that all-in bet is a loser. By definition, when you lose an all-in bet, you've lost the game.

I only see two possible courses of action this summer.

1. Core remains the same. Additions are draft picks, Splitter, Hairston, and an LLE signing.

2. Trade Tony for younger pieces and a TE and make the additions listed above. Position yourself for a major addition at the 2011 trade deadline or after the new CBA is signed.

In both cases, you hold your draft picks unless a true sure thing is available.

[mountainballer]

it really looks as if the Spurs gave up on this season.
question is, did they already decide to be Jazz for the next decade, not really good, not really bad, or do they see a chance in trade RJ next summer, by taking back an expensive contract. (Iguodala? Maggette?, Al Jefferson?, Okafor? along that line)
but so or so and whatever happens with Manu, Spurs will be a pretty thin team next year.

btw. you want a worst case: Spurs package Splitter's rights with Dice to get rid of his contract. Houston will listen.

[EricB]

That "evidence" shit doesn't matter. Who gives a fuck about phone logs? :(

At the end of the day, "the question is did you get anything done to improve the talent level of the roster?" Hello! The answer is no. That's all that matters.

For once, stop apologizing for the FO.


So other teams turn down your trades.

So that means your a bad GM?


Quit being such a contrarion must go against everything whiney bitch.


I'm sick of this attack me BS because all I do is present a common fucking sense point.


Again, how does teams turning down your trades, and the only trade you've turned down is a rediculous one mean you've failed.

You and others have YET to answer that question its just continued "Well look at what happend nothing"

NO shit, so because they get trades turned down thats their fault?

Fuck that.

[itzsoweezee]

LOL @ Larry Brown shitting all over Popovich:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2010021930

[cdcast]

LOL @ Larry Brown shitting all over Popovich:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2010021930

...and Salmons scored 18 tonight in Bucks win.

[rascal]

Everything you've posted makes perfect sense.

Bottom line is the Spurs made an all-in bet to try to extend the championship window for two more seasons. They bet on RJ and Dice improving the team significantly, at least enough that an acquisition like Camby at the deadline would make them truly legit. So far it looks like that all-in bet is a loser. By definition, when you lose an all-in bet, you've lost the game.

I only see two possible courses of action this summer.

1. Core remains the same. Additions are draft picks, Splitter, Hairston, and an LLE signing.

2. Trade Tony for younger pieces and a TE and make the additions listed above. Position yourself for a major addition at the 2011 trade deadline or after the new CBA is signed.

In both cases, you hold your draft picks unless a true sure thing is available.

They will take the conservative route and that is option 1.

[TJastal]

So maybe the title should be "When bad GMs try to do something, but don't get anything done anyway."

:rofl

[rascal]

Spurs will be returning to their conservative ways after last summmers moves that have backfired. Don't look for any major upgrades in overall talent with Duncan, Parker and Manu being the core that will ride Duncans last years out.

We have already seen the start of this with this trade deadline.

[UnWantedTheory]

I think I might be the only one that is semi positive for next year. I dont believe the Spurs will break the bank again, but I do believe they will try their hardest to put a contending product on the floor. Again, I dont believe they will go all out like this year...I think they will hope for the team to gel more next year, possibly re-sign Gino and add another semi-legit piece. We will be thin, but we cant go into the season with 7 players. SOOOO...they obviously are not going to fill the remaining 5 or so with a bunch of Wally Z's. They stand to lose too much by doing so. They will be cost effective, but to the maximum of possibility. IMO. If we can address are weak areas and fill our roster, I think we can do some good depending on health. We are going over the Tax for certain next year, and they know it. They might try to gunsling again(I hope so), but I doubt it.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Holt is going to clean house this summer. He'll give AJ a four-year deal. No idea who the GM will be.

[TJastal]

LOL @ Larry Brown shitting all over Popovich:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2010021930

In one exchange in the CHA vs CHI game, BOTH Thomas and Theo blocked Shaq at the rim. :wow

Now that's some rim protection.

And to think the spurs could have had both these guys with some deft maneuvering by the F.O.

[all_heart]

Bonner?!! I don't want to see him a Spurs uniform next year.

What about trading TP for a quality big man under 30. Sign an older vet to back up GH, resign Manu, develop Hairston and draft the best 2 guard you can. And pray that RJ finds his game next year and Splitter comes over. Is this reasonable?

[fusionjazzman72]

Bonner?!! I don't want to see him a Spurs uniform next year.

What about trading TP for a quality big man under 30. Sign an older vet to back up GH, resign Manu, develop Hairston and draft the best 2 guard you can. And pray that RJ finds his game next year and Splitter comes over. Is this reasonable?

Very reasonable, but look at what the FO is doing now. Also, Pops coaching. It reminds me when we had Brad Lohaus and when they resigned Greg Anderson back in the mid to late 90's

[naf srups]

Manu's gone this summer...Book it! That line for his recent interview where he states that he has accomplished everything he wanted to in SA resonates stronger than ever. I think as much as he desired to retire a spur, the competitor in him wants a new challenge. Not too mention, when children come into the picture your priorities change and I can see him going wherever the big contract is at. IMHO, I see him starting for NY, running D'Antoni's squad next year.

[TJastal]

Manu's gone this summer...Book it! That line for his recent interview where he states that he has accomplished everything he wanted to in SA resonates stronger than ever. I think as much as he desired to retire a spur, the competitor in him wants a new challenge. Not too mention, when children come into the picture your priorities change and I can see him going wherever the big contract is at. IMHO, I see him starting for NY, running D'Antoni's squad next year.

+1

No doubt.

Standing pat and throwing the towel in has cost the spurs this season and most likely any chance of Manu returning.

Well, at least the great Splitter might come to SA, given that the spurs will have all this $$$ freed up and nobody to spend it on but him.

Oh, and Pop's newest bride, Michael Bogans. :lmao

[Johnny RIngo]

+1

No doubt.

Standing pat and throwing the towel in has cost the spurs this season and most likely any chance of Manu returning.

Well, at least the great Splitter might come to SA, given that the spurs will have all this $$$ freed up and nobody to spend it on but him.

Oh, and Pop's newest bride, Michael Bogans. :lmao

I don't think Splitter's even coming. And even if he does he's going to disappoint a lot of Spurs fans.

[TJastal]

I don't think Splitter's even coming. And even if he does he's going to disappoint a lot of Spurs fans.

If that were to happen, this is what we're looking at next year if the spurs go the cheap route.

Starters
C Bonner (will sign a 3-year 10m deal)
PF Duncan
SF Bogans (will sign for vet min)
SG Hill
PG Parker (if he's not exhausted and hurt from playing all summer, ya right)

Depth
Blair, Finley (will resign at vet minimum), rest D league scrubs - James Gist, Alonzo Gee, etc.

Somehow I don't get a great feeling heading into next year... Holt is going to lose ALOT of ticket sales with this squad, nobody is going to pay to see the circle of jerk of Boner, Bogans, and Finley again.

[TJastal]

forgot McDyess in the depth dept... not like it would make much difference.

[SenorSpur]

So other teams turn down your trades.

So that means your a bad GM?


Quit being such a contrarion must go against everything whiney bitch.


I'm sick of this attack me BS because all I do is present a common fucking sense point.


Again, how does teams turning down your trades, and the only trade you've turned down is a rediculous one mean you've failed.

You and others have YET to answer that question its just continued "Well look at what happend nothing"

NO shit, so because they get trades turned down thats their fault?

Fuck that.

Son, once again you've completely missed the boat - which doesn't surprise me. I'm not going to waste time trying to debate my point to you.

Since when were you nominated the "beacon of common sense"? The next time you make a common sense point will be your first. If and when you do make a point, no one will notice because your negativity supercedes your opinion.

If there is a contrarion on this board - it's your ass. The reason you often find yourself in the middle of these cyber-conflicts is because you do nothing but spew your own brand of non-sensical, sarcastic bullshit. Usually, if there is rift between posters, you can bet that you're at the center of it.

If you do nothing but hurl shit it someone's direction, you shouldn't act surprised when it's hurled back at you. If you're feeling as though folks are ganging up on you, perhaps you should consider your approach. Stop trying so hard to be such a miserable asshole to anyone and everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint. Disagreements occur here all the time without the posters being habitually disagreeable and disrespectful to one another.

You went through the trouble of changing your name, perhaps it's time you tried changing your attitude. A little self-awareness can go a long way. That's just a little free advice for you. Do with it whatever you wish.

[E-RockWill]

What a retarded title.

I would love to see the evidence they did "nothing"

Do they have the phone logs of the GM's office that they made none or recieved none?

Enter the asshole.

[jason1301]

Following this roster analysis, next year’s team could look like this: Parker, Hill, Ginobili, Hairston, Jefferson, Blair, Bonner, McDyess, Splitter, and Duncan with two minimum salaried players needed to fill out the roster.

That's actually a pretty good roster, assuming that

1. TP stays healthy over the summer
2. Thiago's game translates to the NBA... see Scola.
3. Blair plays better D.
4. G Hill continues to improve.
5. RJ and Dice know the system.


not sure about #1, but I think the rest are very likely to happen. With that in mind, we will be contenders.

Also got to love our first round draft pick!!!

[Chomag]

Son, once again you've completely missed the boat - which doesn't surprise me. I'm not going to waste time trying to debate my point to you.

Since when were you nominated the "beacon of common sense"? The next time you make a common sense point will be your first. If and when you do make a point, no one will notice because your negativity supercedes your opinion.

If there is a contrarion on this board - it's your ass. The reason you often find yourself in the middle of these cyber-conflicts is because you do nothing but spew your own brand of non-sensical, sarcastic bullshit. Usually, if there is rift between posters, you can bet that you're at the center of it.

If you do nothing but hurl shit it some-one's direction, you shouldn't act surprised when it's hurled back at you. If you're feeling as though folks are ganging up on you, perhaps you should consider your approach. Stop trying so hard to be such a miserable asshole to anyone and everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint. Disagreements occur here all the time without the posters being habitually disagreeable and disrespectful to one another.

You went through the trouble of changing your name, perhaps it's time you tried changing your attitude. A little self-awareness can go a long way. That's just a little free advice for you. Do with it whatever you wish.

So true,

You can disagree with someone without being disrespectful to them. This should have been learned in the 3rd grade.

Now I do admit I used to just say " shut up stupid head" when I disagreed with someone, however I was 6 years old at the time.