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duncan228
02-21-2010, 01:39 AM
In time: The way to adjust a standard (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/In_time_The_way_to_adjust_a_standard.html)
Buck Harvey

There will come a day, in five or six years, when you will be upset with another Spurs coach. He will be losing at a rate unimaginable in the previous era, and you will want a change.

Spurs management will react, because sometimes the business of selling tickets requires it. They will fire this coach after fewer than two full seasons, and this is the way it is for most franchises.

There will come a day, in five or six years, when you will think the Spurs will never win again. Fans in Detroit, today, are beginning to feel that way after also enjoying success in the previous decade.

Then there will be a breakthrough. A lottery pick will surprise, and other talent will partner with him. You will be caught up in the ascent, attentive to every encouraging step, as the Spurs begin to show life again.

By putting together, say, a 31-22 record.

If you are younger than 30 years old, you likely don't remember when being nine games above .500 would have been worth a river parade. You don't remember Cotton Fitzsimmons or Walter Berry, or when the Spurs stuffed ballot boxes to help Alvin Robertson become an All-Star.

And if you are older, maybe you take for granted how unusual the run has been. The Spurs, in their history, have had only four seasons without a Hall of Fame lock on the roster at some point.

But now there are few indications the Spurs are the same. Sometimes Manu Ginobili appears to be back, and sometimes Tony Parker looks less hurt, and sometimes Tim Duncan could pass for the 2007 Tim Duncan. Mostly, though, a game such as the latest one in Philadelphia reminds what is fading away.

This is what happens. Rarely do teams go down quickly, as the Spurs did when David Robinson was hurt, and immediately contend with a lottery jackpot. Even the best franchises, such as the Celtics and Lakers of the '80s, eventually sag.

The Bulls needed a half-dozen seasons after Michael Jordan left to get as far above .500 as the Spurs are now. Now it is Detroit's painful turn; the same Pistons who pressed the Spurs in the 2005 Finals are currently 23 games behind Cleveland.

So a slide is inevitable for the Spurs, too, and they are currently tracking at a predictable, steady decline. From a championship to conference finals elimination to a first-round loss.

The Spurs are at the next step now, competing for a spot at the lower end of the playoff bracket. They hope for more, of course, but they need absolutely everything to go their way.

Good luck isn't enough. They need other teams to have bad luck.

San Antonio doesn't like the odds, but here's the twist: Gamblers do.

Various online better services don't like the Spurs' chances as much as they did before the season started. The Spurs' odds have dropped approximately in half, according to a blurb in the Dallas Morning News, from 15-2 to 14-1.

The Lakers are still 2-1, with Cleveland, Boston, Orlando and Denver behind. But the Spurs are next.

Granted, this is merely a betting line, and a questionable one. The Jazz, for example, are a 30-1 longshot.

Yet here's what is odd: Only five teams are considered a better bet than the Spurs, yet most in San Antonio see this team as half-empty.

Or, maybe it's not odd at all. Maybe it's natural. Maybe San Antonio, after four championships, has a standard that a 31-22 record doesn't satisfy.

But this standard won't be difficult to adjust.

There will come a day, in five or six years, when you will see things differently.

Mikesatx
02-21-2010, 01:46 AM
Great article!! Don't know what ya got till its gone.

ShoogarBear
02-21-2010, 01:52 AM
The problem is when the coaches and management start thinking like this and resting on their laurels.

objective
02-21-2010, 02:12 AM
The Spurs' odds have dropped approximately in half, according to a blurb in the Dallas Morning News, from 15-2 to 14-1.

i saw that article, but it was different to the odds I remember.

I know for a fact that in late July the Spurs were 14-1 at Harrah's. After the draft, trade for RJ, and signing of McDyess.

fusionjazzman72
02-21-2010, 03:01 AM
In time: The way to adjust a standard (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/In_time_The_way_to_adjust_a_standard.html)
Buck Harvey

There will come a day, in five or six years, when you will be upset with another Spurs coach. He will be losing at a rate unimaginable in the previous era, and you will want a change.

Spurs management will react, because sometimes the business of selling tickets requires it. They will fire this coach after fewer than two full seasons, and this is the way it is for most franchises.

There will come a day, in five or six years, when you will think the Spurs will never win again. Fans in Detroit, today, are beginning to feel that way after also enjoying success in the previous decade.

Then there will be a breakthrough. A lottery pick will surprise, and other talent will partner with him. You will be caught up in the ascent, attentive to every encouraging step, as the Spurs begin to show life again.

By putting together, say, a 31-22 record.

If you are younger than 30 years old, you likely don't remember when being nine games above .500 would have been worth a river parade. You don't remember Cotton Fitzsimmons or Walter Berry, or when the Spurs stuffed ballot boxes to help Alvin Robertson become an All-Star.

I remember those days of Ozell Jones, Jon sunvold, Ed Nealy, Jeff Cook, Walter, etc... after the year Ice and "Gino" Gene Banks were traded.

And if you are older, maybe you take for granted how unusual the run has been. The Spurs, in their history, have had only four seasons without a Hall of Fame lock on the roster at some point.

But now there are few indications the Spurs are the same. Sometimes Manu Ginobili appears to be back, and sometimes Tony Parker looks less hurt, and sometimes Tim Duncan could pass for the 2007 Tim Duncan. Mostly, though, a game such as the latest one in Philadelphia reminds what is fading away.

This is what happens. Rarely do teams go down quickly, as the Spurs did when David Robinson was hurt, and immediately contend with a lottery jackpot. Even the best franchises, such as the Celtics and Lakers of the '80s, eventually sag.

The Bulls needed a half-dozen seasons after Michael Jordan left to get as far above .500 as the Spurs are now. Now it is Detroit's painful turn; the same Pistons who pressed the Spurs in the 2005 Finals are currently 23 games behind Cleveland.

So a slide is inevitable for the Spurs, too, and they are currently tracking at a predictable, steady decline. From a championship to conference finals elimination to a first-round loss.

The Spurs are at the next step now, competing for a spot at the lower end of the playoff bracket. They hope for more, of course, but they need absolutely everything to go their way.

Good luck isn't enough. They need other teams to have bad luck.

San Antonio doesn't like the odds, but here's the twist: Gamblers do.

Various online better services don't like the Spurs' chances as much as they did before the season started. The Spurs' odds have dropped approximately in half, according to a blurb in the Dallas Morning News, from 15-2 to 14-1.

The Lakers are still 2-1, with Cleveland, Boston, Orlando and Denver behind. But the Spurs are next.

Granted, this is merely a betting line, and a questionable one. The Jazz, for example, are a 30-1 longshot.

Yet here's what is odd: Only five teams are considered a better bet than the Spurs, yet most in San Antonio see this team as half-empty.

Or, maybe it's not odd at all. Maybe it's natural. Maybe San Antonio, after four championships, has a standard that a 31-22 record doesn't satisfy.

But this standard won't be difficult to adjust.

There will come a day, in five or six years, when you will see things differently.

poop
02-21-2010, 03:10 AM
so hes just another Popologist bastard.

Fuck buck, i could do what he does, for half the price probably.

lcroock
02-21-2010, 03:38 AM
I got 13:1 odds on the Spurs back in September. Odds have not changed since....

Aggie Hoopsfan
02-21-2010, 03:57 AM
Another Popapoligist... gay.

BillMc
02-21-2010, 06:35 AM
It's true. All teams get old. I don't understand all the hate around here. It's like hating your grandpa for getting old and having trouble going up the stairs. It's just life.

wildbill2u
02-21-2010, 10:03 AM
No one would have traded Robinson in order to secure the team for the future. But an injury dropped us into the lottery and we came away with an all time great franchise player.

We've ridden that horse for a decade and now possibly are riding him into the ground of mediocrity as a team because, like Robinson, trading him is unthinkable

lurker23
02-21-2010, 10:17 AM
Good article. Spurs fans take a lot for granted, and a slide was inevitable. However, this article should have been written 2 years from now, when Tim was on his way out, when a 35 year old Manu was on his last contract and his last legs, when a Tony Parker on the wrong side of 30 was starting to lose some of his trademark speed. But not this year. I think that's why Spurs fans are most distressed; fans of all teams on decline say, "not yet," but it feels like the Spurs have very valid reasons to have expected one last hurrah.

Big P
02-21-2010, 10:20 AM
Sounds like he's been using spurstalk.com for some story ideas.

Aggie Hoopsfan
02-21-2010, 10:23 AM
It's true. All teams get old. I don't understand all the hate around here. It's like hating your grandpa for getting old and having trouble going up the stairs. It's just life.

Grandpa can't do anything about getting older.

The front office can do something about the team getting older, but you have a coach who is stuck in Larry Brown mode - i.e., gotta have veterans playing heavy minutes to have a chance...

Meanwhile, teams like LA go out, get young, and run circles around our old codgers.

pjjrfan
02-21-2010, 10:26 AM
I don't know about a Popologist, but certainly a Spurologist. I disaggree with Buck's assessment, I think a lot of our fans know good basketball and it's not that we've come to expect a standard, which I have BTW, it's the fact that management has refused to see what everyone else is seeing a once great team becoming an ordinary team. Still, I am looking for a late run, I'm looking for RJ to suddenly become a player, for Antonio to get his game back, for Bonner to start raining 3's for Manu to get his 4th qtr magic back and for Tony to just get healthy , and at this point for us to make the playoffs with all this things in place along with the current version of Timmy. In that aspect Buck is right the Spurs need a lot of luck and a lot of bad luck for other teams.

widowmaker
02-21-2010, 11:52 AM
I remember before the season started Pop said " if we don't win I should be fired" I hope u live up to your word Pop. This team is super talented, he for some reason dosent know how to put the pieces together. Don't get me wrong Pop did bring 4 titles with less talent and he had a great run but sometimes u need to know when to walk away. I know that all things come to an end I just thought there was gonna be more of an effort for one last run, I now see that's not gonna happen.:bang

ElNono
02-21-2010, 12:09 PM
That was a pretty disingenuous article. I mean, if we would have moved full blown into rebuilding mode, then sure. We're going to be losing more than we're going to be winning.
But we also won't have the best PF to ever play the game, even on the decline, giving you double doubles. Or we won't go heavily into luxury territory if we didn't think we could be contenders.
Pointing out to a 31-22 record is a copout if you don't also mention we had a heavy-home schedule. Just call a spade a spade: we were sold a contender at the start of the season, and what we have instead is a fairly average team by western conference standards. You can talk all you want about how we're going to suck in the future compared to this team, but the team itself will look a lot different then.

pogo1231
02-21-2010, 12:09 PM
It was a good article and we all know the Big 3 have been slowed, BUT....why on earth does Pop put us in a position to fail by starting people who are simply awful, put us in a big hole/deficit, and then the second string and ultimately the Big 3 have to waste so much energy getting us back to an even score (if they are able to.)
Bonner is not talented enough to be a starter. Sure, he had a couple of good games, but so did Mason and we see where he is on the bench. And I gag when I read about his damn sandwiches.

I understand teams get older Pop doesn't even give us a fighting chance.

And all his talk about "chemistry"--do you have to have chemistry to hit wide open shots???

I'm so pissed I could spit...