Brendan mf'n Haywood

[Ghazi]

11 points, 17 rebounds, 3 blocks
:toast to the best center in the West

[Kobe Molested Me]

Man you got the best center in the west and ericka dampier, the 2nd best center in the west. Thats a championship right there

[j.dizzle]

LOL son. Haywood is good but this is vs Indiana..I think Bynum had 30 & 12 or some shit vs them a few weeks ago..In like 30 min hahaha. This wednesday will be fun.

[Ghazi]

Wednesday will be a good preview of the WCF.

[Allanon]

Bynum's gonna steal the Best Center in the West's lunch money come Wednesday.

[JamStone]

His hand injury came at an inopportune time in his career, because he had just started to become a much more well rounded player and a more assertive player two seasons ago. But, his other problem was that he played with three volume scorers and had basically no sets run for him in Washington. I think he's capable of putting up around 18 and 12 if he were to get consistent minutes and touches out of the offense. Solid, solid player imo.

[dirk4mvp]

I have been super impressed with him since he got traded. He's Dampier, plus everything Damp can't do as a Center.

[Rogue]

LOL son. Haywood is good but this is vs Indiana..I think Bynum had 30 & 12 or some shit vs them a few weeks ago..In like 30 min hahaha. This wednesday will be fun.
son it's just the concern I mean. Haywood doesn't give you a better chance for win when it's the Lakers that you're going to match up with, nor does Caron Butler. At finest the trade only puts you somewhere parallel to Denver Nuggets while you were already at this level before the trade being made. haywood plays like a beast against shitty players like the Pacers soft asses, which resembles Erick Dampier but whenever their opposing turns tough and equally beefy guys, they get curbstomped.

[Ghazi]

son it's just the concern I mean. Haywood doesn't give you a better chance for win when it's the Lakers that you're going to match up with, nor does Caron Butler. At finest the trade only puts you somewhere parallel to Denver Nuggets while you were already at this level before the trade being made. haywood plays like a beast against shitty players like the Pacers soft asses, which resembles Erick Dampier but whenever their opposing turns tough and equally beefy guys, they get curbstomped.

is Dwight Howard a shitty player?

Fail

[Amarelooms]

He better knock down more from the FT line....going 50% aint gonna cut it. Also he needs to finish better with some jump hooks and post moves...he's got the ability if he wants to :elephant

[j.dizzle]

son it's just the concern I mean. Haywood doesn't give you a better chance for win when it's the Lakers that you're going to match up with, nor does Caron Butler. At finest the trade only puts you somewhere parallel to Denver Nuggets while you were already at this level before the trade being made. haywood plays like a beast against shitty players like the Pacers soft asses, which resembles Erick Dampier but whenever their opposing turns tough and equally beefy guys, they get curbstomped.
Caron Butler as a second option aint gonna get them to the finals but atleast a Denver vs Dallas series will be more competitive:lol

[sefant77]

Lakers game will be all about the refs.

Haywood with foul trouble or if he cant touch anyone without the foul the game will be over quick..

[sefant77]

Caron Butler as a second option aint gonna get them to the finals but atleast a Denver vs Dallas series will be more competitive:lol

Butler isnt the 2nd.

Terry and Butler are 2a and 2b. Finally Terry can pick his shots better and dont have to force the crap like the last year...

[sribb43]

Haywood is great but he has very limited post game...his athleticism/hands still make him >>>> Damp

[sribb43]

Butler isnt the 2nd.

Terry and Butler are 2a and 2b. Finally Terry can pick his shots better and dont have to force the crap like the last year...

gasol or billups >>> #2 options than Terry or butler

[j.dizzle]

Butler isnt the 2nd.

Terry and Butler are 2a and 2b. Finally Terry can pick his shots better and dont have to force the crap like the last year...
:lol Ask the other Mavs fans on this board what they think about Terry hahaha

[Ghazi]

gasol or billups >>> #2 options than Terry or butler

Mavs >>> Nuggets/Lakers

[sefant77]

I didnt mean he IS a 2nd guy for any nba team but with the Mavs he is/has to. Now with Butler at least the shares the pressure.

I think it will help him and his fg-%, he was forced too much into scoring with Josh all the year out..

[Pelicans78]

Blatche + Ovechkin > Dirk + Haywood

[dirk4mvp]

Blatche + Ovechkin > Dirk + Haywood

Your team is shit. gtfo.

[Ghazi]

We stacked!

[Rogue]

Caron Butler as a second option aint gonna get them to the finals but atleast a Denver vs Dallas series will be more competitive:lol
Mavs have Zero chance at Lakers this season, unless some breakdowns happen again on some main roles of Lakershow like Bynum, Kobe etc...

[Pelicans78]

Your team is shit. gtfo.

LOL, pathetic Mavs fan. Mavs still 4th in the West despite way over the luxury tax :lol

[dirk4mvp]

LOL, pathetic Mavs fan. Mavs still 4th in the West despite way over the luxury tax :lol

LOL, pathetic Hornets fan. It would be a little easier to enjoy the Hornets before they left town if they didn't suck so much ass.

[ffadicted]

:(

[badfish22]

Also Deshawn Stevenson actually looks playable. He hustles, plays good D and can shoot when open.
Stevenson > Ross, Wright

[badfish22]

LOL, pathetic Mavs fan. Mavs still 4th in the West despite way over the luxury tax :lol

Lol poor ass whornets selling their players for whatever they can get

[Rogue]

:lol Ask the other Mavs fans on this board what they think about Terry hahaha
turtle head only sucks when playing his second game in two nights, which is due mainly to fatigue IMHO.

[sribb43]

Also Deshawn Stevenson actually looks playable. He hustles, plays good D and can shoot when open.
Stevenson > Ross, Wright

wright > stevenson....Wright could at least put the ball on the floor and get to the rim

Both are still scrubs though

[8FOR!3]

Man you got the best center in the west and ericka dampier, the 2nd best center in the west. Thats a championship right there

Don't forget Najara, the third best center in the west.

[badfish22]

wright > stevenson....Wright could at least put the ball on the floor and get to the rim


When did Wright ever do that? Wright basically just stood in the corner on offense.
Stevenson is actually showing some decent passing ability as well

[Rogue]

LOL, pathetic Mavs fan. Mavs still 4th in the West despite way over the luxury tax :lol
lol shedding useful talents only for financial reasons

[sribb43]

When did Wright ever do that? Wright basically just stood in the corner on offense.
Stevenson is actually showing some decent passing ability as well

dont be fooled by one game

[Ghazi]

Mavs after sucking ass on defense heading into ASB are allowing under 91 PPG since the trade... lets hope this is more than just a passing fad.

[Pelicans78]

Lol poor ass whornets selling their players for whatever they can get

Mavs might as well do the same thing. No team with Dirk as the number one guy will ever win a championship. Dirk = Bosh.

[Pelicans78]

lol shedding useful talents only for financial reasons

Useful? Devin Brown? Hilton Armstrong? Tyson Chandler? Bobby Brown? LOL at useful talent.

[Rogue]

Useful? Devin Brown? Hilton Armstrong? Tyson Chandler? Bobby Brown? LOL at useful talent.
at least TC is useful to some Hornets fans for smacking Ghazi.

[Pelicans78]

at least TC is useful to some Hornets fans for smacking Ghazi.

That is true. But even as a Bobcat, we can use him against Ghazi.

[sefant77]

So when the Hornets gonna sell Paul because they have Collison and the owner want more money?

[Pelicans78]

So when the Hornets gonna sell Paul because they have Collison and the owner want more money?

Depends on what happens during the lockout. Either Collison or CP3 will be traded in the next couple of seasons. Hornets will have alot of cap room with Peja and Mo-Pete's contracts up.

[HeyIt'sMe]

is Dwight Howard a shitty player?

Fail

Howard put up 29 and 16 with 5 blocks against Dallas the other day.

[monosylab1k]

Howard put up 29 and 16 with 5 blocks against Dallas the other day.

scoreboard.

[Findog]

Man you got the best center in the west and ericka dampier, the 2nd best center in the west. Thats a championship right there

Cancel the playoffs, I already ran this shit in NBA2K10. Mavs are bringing home the LOB baby.

[Ghazi]

Howard put up 29 and 16 with 5 blocks against Dallas the other day.

and Haywood put up 15/9. +20 when Haywood was on floor, -10 when najera was on floor.

[Findog]

Howard put up 29 and 16 with 5 blocks against Dallas the other day.

Against single coverage so the Mavs could stay home on the Orlando 3-pt shooters. Win the battle, lose the war.

[Findog]

Dirk = Bosh.

In what? Being city of Dallas residents?

[mavsfan1000]

Mavs are amazing these days. I am loving this trade. Even Stevenson is contributing now. Kidd looks revived and the best I've seen him as a mav. Beaubois helped a lot to give Kidd a break. I know it's going to be shortlived as I know Carlisle's pattern. Barea will take over in a couple games once Beaubois starts to struggle and back to bench.

[Pelicans78]

In what? Being city of Dallas residents?

Similar style of play. Dirk is obviously more polished now, but both like to face up their defenders and have a hard time controlling the paint.

Seriously, isn't that true?

[Findog]

Similar style of play. Dirk is obviously more polished now, but both like to face up their defenders and have a hard time controlling the paint.

Seriously, isn't that true?

More Polished is another way of saying Dirk is better. Other than that, I don't disagree with what you said. Dirk is a 1.5 and Bosh is a 2.

[Findog]

Holy hell Beaubois is a talented little kid, but there's a reason Carlisle doesn't play him a lot. He's raw and doesn't know where he's supposed to be on defense. He kept falling for all of TJ Ford's tricks. Good thing Ford sucks and couldn't kill the Mavs for it. Beaubois got more minutes tonight because Carlisle wanted to save Kidd for heavy lifting against the Lake Show on Wednesday night. I doubt Roddy gets more than garbage time against LA.

[badfish22]

Similar style of play.

Whens Bosh thinking about entering the 3-point shootout? He should be great. Him and Dirk are very similar.

[badfish22]

Mavs are undefeated with Haywood starting. 4-0

[Pelicans78]

More Polished is another way of saying Dirk is better. Other than that, I don't disagree with what you said. Dirk is a 1.5 and Bosh is a 2.

Dirk is better even though Bosh is putting up better numbers (due to playing in a up-tempo offense)

[Pelicans78]

Whens Bosh thinking about entering the 3-point shootout? He should be great. Him and Dirk are very similar.

:nope

[Rogue]

Mavs are undefeated with Haywood starting. 4-0
You'll easily find the 4-0 isn't convincing at all by checking the teams played during this run.

[Rogue]

except for the win over Magic, of course.

[DubMcDub]

son it's just the concern I mean. Haywood doesn't give you a better chance for win when it's the Lakers that you're going to match up with, nor does Caron Butler. At finest the trade only puts you somewhere parallel to Denver Nuggets while you were already at this level before the trade being made. haywood plays like a beast against shitty players like the Pacers soft asses, which resembles Erick Dampier but whenever their opposing turns tough and equally beefy guys, they get curbstomped.

Is this English?

[HarlemHeat37]

Bosh > Dirk..best PF in the NBA..

[badfish22]

You'll easily find the 4-0 isn't convincing at all by checking the teams played during this run.

Convincing that we are competitors? no.
Convincing that we have improved from pre-trade? Yes

Before the trade we were getting beat my Minnesota at home. At the very least the trade has re energized the Mavs. Most notably Jason Kidd who is playing like he is 25 again.
We have to wait to see if the trade is just a momentary surge of energy or a legit boost of overall talent, to the point that we can actually contend. Wednesdays game will help.

[badfish22]

Bosh > Dirk..best PF in the NBA..

If Bosh > Dirk then Bosh >>>>> Duncan

[HarlemHeat37]

If Bosh > Dirk then Bosh >>>>> Duncan

Bosh is better than Duncan at this point too, but not even close to that margin..Howard>Bosh>Nowitzki=Duncan=Gasol..

[Ghazi]

Dirk > Bosh/Howard

lol Spurs

[HarlemHeat37]

You can argue that Dirk is better than Bosh, I'll listen to a convincing argument, but there's no argument to Dirk being better than Howard..Dwight is pretty easily the best big man in the NBA..

[dirk4mvp]

Dwight can jump high. Impressive. Hell, either Dirk or Bosh has better post moves than Dwight. At least Dirk has punished someone on the block before (the homo trio of Denver last year). Can't say the same for Howard.

[Bob Lanier]

His hand injury came at an inopportune time in his career, because he had just started to become a much more well rounded player and a more assertive player two seasons ago. But, his other problem was that he played with three volume scorers and had basically no sets run for him in Washington. I think he's capable of putting up around 18 and 12 if he were to get consistent minutes and touches out of the offense. Solid, solid player imo.
Also that he played for a genuine moron his entire career in Eddie Jordan, who sat him on the bench during crucial defensive possessions in the playoffs to play Michael Ruffin at center.

[mystargtr34]

Like i said before, it wont take long (if it hasnt already) for Dallas fan to realise Brendan Haywood will be the real difference maker from the trade, not Caron Butler.

Dude is a beast. Obviously he's no Matt Bonner, which is why the Spurs didnt need to make more of a play.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Cuban would want win a ring with this trade coz it is going to cost him a fortune next season :lol

[mavsfan1000]

Like i said before, it wont take long (if it hasnt already) for Dallas fan to realise Brendan Haywood will be the real difference maker from the trade, not Caron Butler.

Dude is a beast. Obviously he's no Matt Bonner, which is why the Spurs didnt need to make more of a play.
They both are. :nope Butler's defense and passing ability is underrated.

[stretch]

You'll easily find the 4-0 isn't convincing at all by checking the teams played during this run.

going 4-1 when playing 5 games in 8 nights with no practices right after All-Star weekend and a massive trade is pretty damn good.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

We stacked!

two versions of eric dampier don't equate to stacked

[mavsfan1000]

two versions of eric dampier don't equate to stacked
Haywood is a better player. Dampier can't catch the ball or keep up with more athletic big man. Haywood can.

[Findog]

two versions of eric dampier don't equate to stacked

Haywood can catch the ball in traffic and finish, something that Mittenhands Damp can't do. That's why Haywood is a double-double threat with Kidd, whereas Damp isn't.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

Haywood can catch the ball in traffic and finish, something that Mittenhands Damp can't do. That's why Haywood is a double-double threat with Kidd, whereas Damp isn't.

damp is basically avg a double double per 36 min

You aren't expecting haywood to keep that 11/11 statline are you?

[Findog]

damp is basically avg a double double per 36 min

in a contract year. He's only averaged a D/D per 36 minutes once his entire Dallas career.


You aren't expecting haywood to keep that 11/11 statline are you?

As long as he's getting heavy minutes with Damp out injured, I expect him to.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

in a contract year. He's only averaged a D/D per 36 minutes once his entire Dallas career.

notice the qualifier 'basically'. 9.7pts 11.6rbs is basically a dub dub per 36


As long as he's getting heavy minutes with Damp out injured, I expect him to.

well he won't and he really doesn't change the Mavs destiny either way

[Findog]

notice the qualifier 'basically'. 9.7pts 11.6rbs is basically a dub dub per 36


and something he's doing in a contract year, something he won't do next year, and something he's only done once before in a Dallas uniform. Haywood > Damp.


well he won't and he really doesn't change the Mavs destiny either way

Haywood > Damp, which was my original point. If you want to start a thread stating that the Lakers > Mavs, be my guest. Stay on topic please.

[Greg Oden]

Who the fuck is ode to triple ocho?

Oh that's right, just another generic laker fuckstick who nobody knows Move along, everyone.

[DAF86]

11 points, 17 rebounds, 3 blocks
:toast to the best center in the West

Tim Duncan is the best center in the West.

[dude1394]

Like i said before, it wont take long (if it hasnt already) for Dallas fan to realise Brendan Haywood will be the real difference maker from the trade, not Caron Butler.

Dude is a beast. Obviously he's no Matt Bonner, which is why the Spurs didnt need to make more of a play.

I would have traded Josh for Brendan straight up. Getting Caron/Stevenson is triple icing on the cake.

[IronMexican]

And Dallas got rid of Gooden. Dude was straight garbage.

[dude1394]

damp is basically avg a double double per 36 min

You aren't expecting haywood to keep that 11/11 statline are you?

Well yea I sorta do. He's currently at 9.9ppg and 10.40 rebounds. He'll get way more easy baskets with jkiddo. Rebounds maybe not. If they actually get some practice time I would expect more good looks.

[mavs>spurs2]

Has Stevenson even seen the court yet? I haven't had a chance to watch much since the all star game except bits and pieces here and there.

[stretch]

Has Stevenson even seen the court yet? I haven't had a chance to watch much since the all star game except bits and pieces here and there.

yeah he played some very productive minutes last night. hit a three and some open midrange shots, solid defense, and a really nice hustle play that led to an assist to dirk on the fast break.

[dude1394]

He played a pretty decent stint. One thing I'll say, I'm not sure I've ever seen many NBA players run up and down the court without the ball as quickly as he did, really sprinted to the other end.

It made me realize how few do it.

[Findog]

He played a pretty decent stint. One thing I'll say, I'm not sure I've ever seen many NBA players run up and down the court without the ball as quickly as he did, really sprinted to the other end.

It made me realize how few do it.

If Stevenson can end up being a productive role player, that will make this trade an absolute heist. He was only included to make the #s work.

[mavs>spurs2]

yeah he played some very productive minutes last night. hit a three and some open midrange shots, solid defense, and a really nice hustle play that led to an assist to dirk on the fast break.

I've always thought since the news broke about this trade that Stevenson was a nice addition to the trade. Last year, who did we have to throw at the Kobe's, Carmelo's, Wade's, and Lebron's? Antoine mothafuckin Wright? This year we can throw Marion, Butler, and Stevenson (all 3 solid perimeter defenders) at those guys for stretches.

[mavs>spurs2]

Not to mention if any of those guys get beat, they have two great defensive centers behind them to come help.

[bostonguy]

Who are the backup powerfowards? Najera and who else? I know Tim Thomas is on leave due to a family illness right? Tim Thomas could be a nice player if he returns for the playoffs. He has a nack for being a productive player in the playoffs.

[Findog]

Who are the backup powerfowards? Najera and who else? I know Tim Thomas is on leave due to a family illness right? Tim Thomas could be a nice player if he returns for the playoffs. He has a nack for being a productive player in the playoffs.

Najera is basically it right now. He can play 10 minutes a night, and that's all we need him for. In the playoffs, Dirk will play 42-44 minutes a night.

[mavs>spurs2]

Najera is basically it right now. He can play 10 minutes a night, and that's all we need him for. In the playoffs, Dirk will play 42-44 minutes a night.

That's why I really wish we still had Humphries, he's > than Najera, and when Thomas comes back we can send Carrol/Najera to the inactive list.

[mavsfan1000]

And Dallas got rid of Gooden. Dude was straight garbage.
I agree. Getting Haywood and giving up Gooden is an amazing improvement all by itself. Adding Butler and even Stevenson is just icing on the cake.

[Mike D]

He's no Dampier.

[bostonguy]

Najera is basically it right now. He can play 10 minutes a night, and that's all we need him for. In the playoffs, Dirk will play 42-44 minutes a night.

I'd like to see Carlisle use Beaubois(spelling?) in spurts at worse case scenario. While he is raw, he brings a spark that you could use at times.

[bostonguy]

That's why I really wish we still had Humphries, he's > than Najera, and when Thomas comes back we can send Carrol/Najera to the inactive list.

Najera is a still good hustle player who can hit the open 3 no? You can live with him getting those 10-minutes a night.

[mavs>spurs2]

I'd like to see Carlisle use Beaubois(spelling?) in spurts at worse case scenario. While he is raw, he brings a spark that you could use at times.

Agreed, the whole pretending Beaubois is too young and inexperienced to warrant any playing time and being part of the rotation thing is lame. At the VERY WORST case scenario, he's still better than Barea, and that gap would only widen with each passing game.

[dirk4mvp]

Najera is a still good hustle player who can hit the open 3 no? You can live with him getting those 10-minutes a night.

Not against the Lakers. Gasol/Bynum or even Odom would put some work on his ass.

[mavs>spurs2]

Najera is a still good hustle player who can hit the open 3 no? You can live with him getting those 10-minutes a night.

I can live with it sure, but Humphries was basically Najera's hustle + younger and better overall. He was giving us nice rotation minutes at the beginning of the year. Just seems like we gave up depth for no apparent reason to me. The main reason I was worried at the time is that I figured Tim Thomas wouldn't be reliable, and sure enough he's been out for how long now?

[Findog]

I'd like to see Carlisle use Beaubois(spelling?) in spurts at worse case scenario. While he is raw, he brings a spark that you could use at times.

He's oozing with talent, but he's very raw. Last night he was falling for all of TJ Ford's tricks and getting lost on defense. Along with Butler and Haywood, you can't have three guys out there at the same time who aren't yet sure about where they're supposed to be or what to do in various sets, but the only way Roddy is gonna learn is by playing.

[Findog]

I can live with it sure, but Humphries was basically Najera's hustle + younger and better overall. He was giving us nice rotation minutes at the beginning of the year. Just seems like we gave up depth for no apparent reason to me.

The Humphries-Najera trade was for financial reasons.


The main reason I was worried at the time is that I figured Tim Thomas wouldn't be reliable, and sure enough he's been out for how long now?

His wife is really sick and there's no word on when he'll be back.

[noob cake]

Haywood is on a mission; straight up beasting for that contract, much like Boozer except Boozer has more of an offensive game...

Have you guys checked Boozer's game logs? He has been dropping 20/20 this year quite frequently.

[stretch]

This is without a question, the most talented team the Mavericks have had. Of course, talent isn't everything, but it seems like they not only are talented as hell, but balanced too.

[stretch]

He's oozing with talent, but he's very raw. Last night he was falling for all of TJ Ford's tricks and getting lost on defense. Along with Butler and Haywood, you can't have three guys out there at the same time who aren't yet sure about where they're supposed to be or what to do in various sets, but the only way Roddy is gonna learn is by playing.

his main problem is he gets eaten alive by picks

[stretch]

Haywood is on a mission; straight up beasting for that contract, much like Boozer except Boozer has more of an offensive game...

Have you guys checked Boozer's game logs? He has been dropping 20/20 this year quite frequently.

neat

[dirk4mvp]

Haywood is on a mission; straight up beasting for that contract, much like Boozer except Boozer has more of an offensive game...

Have you guys checked Boozer's game logs? He has been dropping 20/20 this year quite frequently.

This thread isn't about talented, lazy asses who play hard when he wants to. This is about the badass that is Brendan Haywood. gtfo.

[bostonguy]

This is without a question, the most talented team the Mavericks have had. Of course, talent isn't everything, but it seems like they not only are talented as hell, but balanced too.

Really?

Even the year you had Van Exel as your 6th man? Or the following year when you had Nash/Finley/Howard/Daniels/Jamison/Walker/Dirk?

[mavs>spurs2]

The Humphries-Najera trade was for financial reasons.

I'm more worried about the product out on the court than Cuban's wallet tbh. Humphries was a great glue guy for this team.




His wife is really sick and there's no word on when he'll be back.

All I know is that the guy was involved in some kind of late night thing at Ihop or Denny's, I can't really remember which, and it got really hushed up and all of the sudden he hasn't played a game since. The whole situation with Josh this year is another sketchy area. It seems like he would always come back at the most awkward times and then some other random injury would pop up. They were definitely not playing him at times when he was too fucked up to play in order to protect his trade value. Then all the sudden he was magically playing heavy minutes in the few games right before the trade to raise his value. Sure enough right after the trade, news comes out that they sat him once before because he was too hung over to play, and some words are exchanged back and forth. Not to mention the whole thing with Dampier being out with what seems to be the AIDS, until the more recent "dislocated finger" excuse. All I'm saying is that there are some funny things going down in big D sometimes. I don't really know if Tim Thomas' wife is really sick or not, or if that's really the whole story. It could just be a convenient excuse, she may not really be on her deathbed, it could be something less serious than advertised. I can never really tell what's going on behind the scenes, just that there's some funny business here and there.

[stretch]

Really?

Even the year you had Van Exel as your 6th man? Or the following year when you had Nash/Finley/Howard/Daniels/Jamison/Walker/Dirk?

the year with jamison and walker may actually be the most offensively talented team, but it was a retarded mix of talent (mainly due to walker)

this is a much better mix all around of defensive ability, offensive ability, and athleticism. the mavericks might be the most well balanced team in the league now.

[stretch]

This thread isn't about talented, lazy asses who play hard when he wants to. This is about the badass that is Brendan Haywood. gtfo.

:tu

krofl tbh noob cake needs to stfu

[badfish22]

Like i said before, it wont take long (if it hasnt already) for Dallas fan to realise Brendan Haywood will be the real difference maker from the trade, not Caron Butler.


Most of us said this before the trade even was official...

[sribb43]

Mavs BBIQ increased exponentially by removing jho, gooden and hump and replacing with Haywood, butler and najera

[mavs>spurs2]

Mavs BBIQ increased exponentially by removing jho, gooden and hump and replacing with Haywood, butler and najera

Why throw Humphries in there? He's not a low BBIQ player IMO, he gave us nothing but solid rotation minutes. Let's not throw a player under the bus just to justify his no longer being with us.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

Haywood > Damp.

Basically the same player just younger and can finish around the basket slightly better. Hardly a huge upgrade, just a replacement.



Haywood > Damp, which was my original point.

Barely which was my original point. Hardly makes Dallas 'stacked' or a much better team.


If you want to start a thread stating that the Lakers > Mavs, be my guest. Stay on topic please.

Cool strawman bro. Sorry if you're butthurt over someone pointing out the truth. Go make a thread about it. Topic is Brenda muthafuckin Haywood which I'm currently discussing. He won't be changing the end result in Dallas. Stay on topic please.

[dude1394]

Who are the backup powerfowards? Najera and who else? I know Tim Thomas is on leave due to a family illness right? Tim Thomas could be a nice player if he returns for the playoffs. He has a nack for being a productive player in the playoffs.

I think right now it's more shawn marion than najera, najera is taking all small center minutes. That'll stop once dampier gets here or the new kid from the d-league actually. TimThomas back would be really nice but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

[dude1394]

I'm more worried about the product out on the court than Cuban's wallet tbh. Humphries was a great glue guy for this team.
Well too bad you don't own the team. Saving money (to possibly get the deal done for example) makes sense.


All I know is that the guy was involved in some kind of late night thing at Ihop or Denny's, I can't really remember which, and it got really hushed up and all of the sudden he hasn't played a game since.

Wrong again, check the dates and the game logs, he played in NY for example. You don't know what you are talking about. So just quite yacking to hear yourself type.

[Findog]

Basically the same player just younger and can finish around the basket slightly better.

Yes, he's "basically the same player," which means he fumbles entry passes and only plays hard in a contract year.



Barely which was my original point. "He's (barely) better," "He's the same player." Pick a lane please.


Hardly makes Dallas 'stacked'

Where did I say Dallas was "stacked?"


or a much better team.

Butler/Haywood/Stevenson for the Josh Howard Poo Poo Platter makes Dallas a much better team. How much better? We'll find out in May.




He won't be changing the end result in Dallas


Not this year. But with Dampier's partially guaranteed contract, there is hope for next year.

[nkdlunch]

so because Dallas got a center that can catch a ball, all of a sudden they are contenders?

[Findog]

so because Dallas got a center that can catch a ball, all of a sudden they are contenders?

In addition to getting a wing that isn't a lazy pothead, they're contenders to lose to the Lakers in the Conference Finals. And they have Damp's contract to parlay in the summer.

[Findog]

W/O Haywood: 8 straight games of yielding 100+ points.

With Haywood: 5 straight games of yielding < 100 points.

[Thundaluva]

Ode to triple ocho is quickly becoming one of the most retarded posters ST has to offer

[Spurfan]

Spur Fan, worry about your own shitty team. What's hilarious is that if the Spurs traded for Haywood, you'd be the ones talking all this shit about how great Haywood is. But since he went to the Mavs....

My team has more championships than yours so I know more than you, and I know Brendan Haywood is a bum. CIA Pop could have had him if he wanted to, there's a reason why he didn't get him. If that didn't make any sense...

4 rings, faggot.

[Shank]

My team has more championships than yours so I know more than you, and I know Brendan Haywood is a bum. CIA Pop could have had him if he wanted to, there's a reason why he didn't get him. If that didn't make any sense...

4 rings, faggot.

What?

[stretch]

so because Dallas got a center that can catch a ball, all of a sudden they are contenders?

yes

[Spurfan]

I won 4 championships, so I know what a contender is. The Mavs are NOT a contender.

[Shank]

I won 4 championships, so I know what a contender is. The Mavs are NOT a contender.

Ah, I get it. A troll. Sweet. Carry on.

[dude1394]

As I had mentioned I think that Haywoods points will continue to be above 10 this year. So does he I expect. Also I will be really interested to see how aggressive he can be once he has someone to back him up. Right now he's making sure he stays on the floor (another thing I like about him, he seems to understand the situation).

Talking about tommorrows lakers game.

"I have to be smart but I can't play scared. I can't take a silly foul early on, because they're too big for our backups. But at the same time, I can't just give up layups and inside position, because that will hit us as well."

Haywood is coming off of a 13-point, career-high tying 20-rebound night against Indiana in a 91-82 home win.

"As far as the points go, I basically just thank Jason Kidd for those," Haywood added. "If you're active and around the basket, he'll find you."

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

W/O Haywood: 8 straight games of yielding 100+ points.

With Haywood: 5 straight games of yielding < 100 points.

Heh. A Dallas fan pointing to regular season evidence.

Heh heh.

[Greg Oden]

Heh. A Dallas fan pointing to regular season evidence.

Heh heh.

This is what you come back with? Is that all you could think of?

[Will Hunting]

This is what you come back with? Is that all you could think of?


When in doubt, bring up the "lol ringless fan talking about the regular season" argument.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

"He's (barely) better," "He's the same player." Pick a lane please.

He is the same player basically. A bit younger, motivated to prove himself after a trade. Not a huge a upgrade in production to get your dick hard about.


Where did I say Dallas was "stacked?"

Ghazi did. Then your butt started to hurt.


Butler/Haywood/Stevenson for the Josh Howard Poo Poo Platter makes Dallas a much better team. How much better? We'll find out in May.

Not really. Damp is out and doesn't give a fuck. Haywood essentially replacing him. Butler replaces Ho's production from previous years - he still remains an ineffcient player that takes way too many longg jumpshots and couldn't get Washington anywhere despite playing with Jamison/Gilbert.

You actually think Dallas is beating Denver now because of the trade? How does this change anything.



Not this year. But with Dampier's partially guaranteed contract, there is hope for next year.

Erica Dampier and Brenda Haywood. I'm sure the West is shaking in their Nikes.

[Greg Oden]

I'm really proud of 21_dipshits learning how to make trolls!

[stretch]

Not this year. But with Dampier's partially guaranteed contract, there is hope for next year.

to say that there isnt hope this year is kind of ridiculous. the lakers arent as far ahead of everyone as people think. keep in mind, they were taken to 7 games by a Yao-less Rocket team last year with quite a few of their key players having no playoff experience. aside from one game this year, every game the mavs and lakers have played has been a tight game down to the final couple minutes, and this mavericks team is FAR improved from those days, and still is getting better. they most definitely can compete for a championship and even dethrone the lakers, especially after they get Dampier back. they might even be the best competition the Lakers have now, with the size to match up, the nightmare that Dirk always is for them, and a guy who can actually make Kobe work on both ends (Butler).

[Rogue]

Is this English?

You are absolutely insane if you think the Spurs match up well with the Mavs, pre or post trade. I know for a fact timvp--who obviously knows a lot more than you about basketball--would disagree with that sentiment. The Mavs are one of the toughest matchups in the whole league for the Spurs, especially considering the Mavs' relative ineffectiveness against several other teams.

this is english but still fails to make much sense, IMHO.

If you consider it fun fawning to ponce's retarded viewpoints, you're more than welcome to do so.

[Johnny RIngo]

11 points, 17 rebounds, 3 blocks
:toast to the best center in the West

Don't be daft. Haywood isn't even a top 5 center in the west. Damn good player and definitely worth his contract but not the best out west.

[LakeShow]

to say that there isnt hope this year is kind of ridiculous. the lakers arent as far ahead of everyone as people think. keep in mind, they were taken to 7 games by a Yao-less Rocket team last year with quite a few of their key players having no playoff experience. aside from one game this year, every game the mavs and lakers have played has been a tight game down to the final couple minutes, and this mavericks team is FAR improved from those days, and still is getting better. they most definitely can compete for a championship and even dethrone the lakers, especially after they get Dampier back. they might even be the best competition the Lakers have now, with the size to match up, the nightmare that Dirk always is for them, and a guy who can actually make Kobe work on both ends (Butler).

Not everyone, but they are far ahead of the mavs as everyone thinks.

[mavs>spurs2]

Well too bad you don't own the team. Saving money (to possibly get the deal done for example) makes sense.

Do you not understand the way salary cap works? Saving a few dollars in luxury tax or whatever doesn't affect the ability to pull off future trades. As long as a team is over the salary cap, which we are well over, the players salaries sent out have to match the ones coming in, or at least be within 20%. We still would have pulled off the Butler trade without giving up Humphries. I don't know what would possess you to care so much about Cuban's wallet. I'm a Mav fan not a Cuban's wallet fan.




Wrong again, check the dates and the game logs, he played in NY for example. You don't know what you are talking about. So just quite yacking to hear yourself type.

Wow, he played one fucking game. Way to pick out such a minute detail out of an entire paragraph, what a straw man. Doesn't change the fact that Cuban keeps lot's of things under raps and some of the events that have happened this season don't really add up. Just like we never knew it at the time when Josh missed a game due to a hangover, we all thought he was injured.

[dirk4mvp]

Not everyone, but they are far ahead of the mavs as everyone thinks.

How's Houston doing this year, rocketfan?

[Findog]

He is the same player basically.

Yeah, he's the same player alright. Better hands, more of an offensive threat, more athletic, runs the floor better, better finisher at the rim, more active when challenging shots. Other than, yeah, the exact same player.


Not really. Damp is out and doesn't give a fuck. Haywood essentially replacing him. Butler replaces Ho's production from previous years - he still remains an ineffcient player that takes way too many longg jumpshots and couldn't get Washington anywhere despite playing with Jamison/Gilbert.

Haywood is better than Gooden, Butler is better than Howard, and Stevenson is better than both Ross and Singleton, so yeah, Dallas didn't improve at all from the trade.


You actually think Dallas is beating Denver now because of the trade? How does this change anything.

They get two centers for 48 minutes instead of Dampier for 30 minutes and Dirk/Najera/Drew Gooden protecting the paint for the other 18 minutes. Howard had completely quit on the Mavs, whereas Butler has not. Yeah, you're right, changes nothing. I don't know if they beat Denver or not in a seven-game series, but it wasn't possible before the trade and it is now.


Erica Dampier and Brenda Haywood. I'm sure the West is shaking in their Nikes.

At least one person believes the Mavs’ impending Caron Butler/Brendan Haywood acquisition puts Dallas “on par’’ with Kobe Bryant’s Lakers.

That person? Kobe Bryant of the Lakers.

“No question,’’ Kobe said Saturday when asked whether the trade moves the Mavs to the Lakers’ level. “I hate to say it, but it's true. … Trust me, I don't like it by any stretch of the imagination. But it's a great move by (Dallas). It pains me to say it. But you guys made two great pickups.’’

Kobe had more to say: “They get length with Haywood, obviously. That's one of our strengths, but … Caron at both ends of the floor plays extremely hard, unselfishly and tough. So you know pains me to say but you guys made two great pickups.’’

Dallas isn't beating the Lakers this year, but only a dumbass would dispute that getting another 7-footer in Haywood doesn't help them deal with the Laker frontline.

[Findog]

What is this choad's rationale? That unless the Mavs could pick up Chris Bosh or Joe Johnson for nothing but draft picks and cap space, they should've stood pat since the Butler/Haywood acquisition doesn't vault them past the Lakers?

[mavs>spurs2]

It faults us pretty close though TBH. This team looks more and more solid with each game played together. I can see them really gelling nicely and becoming a force. I wasn't a huge advocate for Caron Butler in the beginning, but throwing in Haywood and even Stevenson to a lesser extent really changed things. Our defense is looking badass right now.

[nkdlunch]

:lmao :lmao @ this thread

[Muser]

lol

[sribb43]

Bring back Kevin Willis

[monosylab1k]

:lmao :lmao @ this thread

I'd retaliate by going back and bumping every thread where Spur Fan blew his load over how awesome the Dick Jefferson trade was, but that would take hours.

[mavsfan1000]

What a scrub he has become. Not helping the defense at all. I think a lot of it has to do with laziness which annoys me.

[in2deep]

the funny thing is Haywood unlike Damp can catch passes but he pumpfakes so much that he gets the ball swatted probably more often than Damp fumbles a pass.

[Ghazi]

Bosh > Dirk..best PF in the NBA..


Bosh is better than Duncan at this point too, but not even close to that margin..Howard>Bosh>Nowitzki=Duncan=Gasol..

sup bro :lol

[dirk4mvp]

Forgot how bad ode to triple ocho was.