Healthcare Summit

[jack sommerset]

Repugs are killing the dems. Obama can't stfu but it doesn't matter. Repugs own him.

[TheProfessor]

Repugs are killing the dems. Obama can't stfu but it doesn't matter. Repugs own him.
Good to hear an unbiased opinion.

[clambake]

screw that jack. tell us what you're "thinking about" today!

[jack sommerset]

You two should watch it, you would agree with me.

[coyotes_geek]

What a waste of time.

Although given my general belief that the less congress does the better off we'll be, then I suppose I should view it as a good thing for America that congress is busy arguing over whose fault it is that there's no bipartisanship as opposed to actually trying to pass legislation.

[jack sommerset]

What a waste of time.

I don't think so. We can't afford it and the repugs are laying it out for everyone who is watching this. The dems are saying we have to do this because we have too.

The two parties want alot of the samethings on care, just like every dem keeps saying before he speaks, except we can't afford it, you should not make americans buy something they don't want and the numbers are wrong in the bills the dems made. Other than that, they do agree on a bunch of stuff.

[Jacob1983]

I thought it was funny how Obama tried to make fun of McCain but it was a fail. It shows how riled Obama is as president. McCain was laying the smack down on Obama and Barry couldn't handle it. Besides, what's wrong with McCain calling out Obama about his broken promises?

[DarrinS]

Classless bitch move of the day.

Obama to McCain:

Let me just make this point, John, because we're not campaigning anymore. The election is over.


hruMuZvvUs4

[DarrinS]

In related news, Obama team already gearing up for 2012 campaign.

http://www.newser.com/story/81680/obama-team-already-planning-for-2012.html

[doobs]

Classless bitch move of the day.

Obama to McCain:

Let me just make this point, John, because we're not campaigning anymore. The election is over.


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The funny thing is Obama completely ignored McCain's point, that the current bill is such a mess that they should just start over. He just dismissed it as a talking point and proceeded to blather on about God-knows-what.

[jack sommerset]

That was assholish of Obama on McCain. One of the themes Obama keeps saying is we need to move this along but will talk everyones ears off!!!!

[SnakeBoy]

I've spent the day painting the kitchen and listening to this. Let me summarize for those fortunate enough not to be painting the kitchen today.

Obama: My ideas are good. You should support them.
Republicans: Fuck You. Support our ideas.
Obama: Fuck You.
Republicans: No Fuck You.
Pelosi: Nobody wants to fuck me.
All: Shut the fuck up bitch
Obama: This has been very constructive. Thank you all for coming. Now on to reconciliation.

[jack sommerset]

The funny thing is Obama completely ignored McCain's point, that the current bill is such a mess that they should just start over. He just dismissed it as a talking point and proceeded to blather on about God-knows-what.

He has to ignore it. He wants the people to think republicans just want to say "no" to Obamacare. He doesn't want to remind the peeps the dems wrote all those bills they are talking about today. He doesn't want to talk about money unless it's with a broad brush This is the first day the repugs got to voice thier opinion to the President on the subject

[DarrinS]

i've spent the day painting the kitchen and listening to this. Let me summarize for those fortunate enough not to be painting the kitchen today.

Obama: My ideas are good. You should support them.
Republicans: Fuck you. Support our ideas.
Obama: Fuck you.
Republicans: No fuck you.
Pelosi: Nobody wants to fuck me.
All: Shut the fuck up bitch
obama: This has been very constructive. Thank you all for coming. Now on to reconciliation.


lol

[panic giraffe]

I've spent the day painting the kitchen and listening to this. Let me summarize for those fortunate enough not to be painting the kitchen today.

Obama: My ideas are good. You should support them.
Republicans: Fuck You. Support our ideas.
Obama: Fuck You.
Republicans: No Fuck You.
Pelosi: Nobody wants to fuck me.
All: Shut the fuck up bitch
Obama: This has been very constructive. Thank you all for coming. Now on to reconciliation.

The sad thing is...............this is true.

[DMX7]

I'm usually into this kind of thing, but I knew it would be a giant waste of time so I didn't watch a second of it.

An episode of Maury is more constructive than these political games.

[cool cat]

This is what I got from it

Obama: Lets just pass this thing, we can only talk about passing it.
Repug: The bill is garbage here is why...
Obama: No that’s not talking about passing the bill your time is up.
Repug: Here is the bill you want to pass.
Obama: No that’s a prop.

Obama called his own bill a prop :lmao
Another thing I noticed is the least experienced person in the room was Obama.

[jack sommerset]

This is what I got from it

Obama: Lets just pass this thing, we can only talk about passing it.
Repug: The bill is garbage here is why...
Obama: No that’s not talking about passing the bill your time is up.
Repug: Here is the bill you want to pass.
Obama: No that’s a prop.

Obama called his own bill a prop :lmao
Another thing I noticed is the least experienced person in the room was Obama.

Plus lets move this along unless I am speaking.

[jack sommerset]

"We agree on almosty everything" I heard that well over a 100 times!!!!! They just leave out "Who pays for it"

[jack sommerset]

Obama "If you guys can figure out how to give 30 million people something free, let me know"

[jack sommerset]

Man, Obama laidED it down. He said (like that means anything to him) but he did say if he doesn't see any movement from the repugs, he is going forward and if the people don't like it, thats what elections are for!

[DMX7]

Sounds like Jon Stewart is going to have some material for tonight.

[MiamiHeat]

I remember Dubya

when he got re-elected, he immediately began saying his mantra

"The mandate of the people, their will has spoken"

"I am the decider, I'm the President"


OBama, grow some nuts.

[DMX7]

Sounds like he did. I just turned to CNN and they said he told repugs that they are moving forward without them.

[Jacob1983]

Obama is probably smarter than Bush but at least Bush wasn't a pussy like Obama is. Obama can't get anything done. Bush was able to go to war with two countries. Obama can't do shit.

[jack sommerset]

Obama is probably smarter than Bush but at least Bush wasn't a pussy like Obama is. Obama can't get anything done. Bush was able to go to war with two countries. Obama can't do shit.

Obama is no pussy. He has gone forward, its the other dems who don't want too and for good reason, his policies are BAD!

[DarrinS]

A recent CNN poll shows that only 25% of people want this shite (in its current state), so shoving this down our collective throats should do wonders for his 2012 campaign.

[clambake]

Obama is probably smarter than Bush but at least Bush wasn't a pussy like Obama is. Obama can't get anything done. Bush was able to go to war with two countries. Obama can't do shit.

your stupidity is right on "target".

[panic giraffe]

Obama is no pussy. He has gone forward, its the other dems who don't want too and for good reason, his policies are BAD!

it's because they put job security in a better light then they do the health of their people. my god man its a recession, they don't want to look for a job in this economic climate.



your stupidity is right on "target".

:lol

[Yonivore]

1) Obama reveals this isn't a summit as much as it is an attempt to embarrass Republicans (much like he was led to believe he did in Baltimore):

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2) Republicans prove they came prepared with the facts and put the lie to Obama's "deficit-reducing" health care reform:

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(I loved the look on Obama's face during that smack down)

3) Obama closes the show with a threat:

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I don't think the President did himself any favors today.

[clambake]

looks like yoni and darrins have been spending some "quality time" together!

[SouthernFried]

Obama calling the Health care legislation, all 2000+ pages of it, "a prop" when it was brought into the "summit" meeting, pretty much told the story of this "summit."

It was never about actual health care legislation.

[clambake]

Obama calling the Health care legislation, all 2000+ pages of it, "a prop" when it was brought into the "summit" meeting, pretty much told the story of this "summit."

It was never about actual health care legislation.

what was it about?

[DMX7]

The tale of three videos...

Yawn

[SouthernFried]

what was it about?

What do you think it was about?

[jack sommerset]

Obama got owned. He tried to talk over lots of people but the facts came out. We ain't gots the money honey to pay for this shizzle.

[ChumpDumper]

Obama calling the Health care legislation, all 2000+ pages of it, "a prop" when it was brought into the "summit" meeting, pretty much told the story of this "summit."

It was never about actual health care legislation.Did somebody read from that copy?

If not, it was indeed a prop.

[jack sommerset]

Pedro, how did you think the summit went?

[ChumpDumper]

Pedro, how did you think the summit went?Why do you use the name Pedro, Priscilla?

[George Gervin's Afro]

WHy am I not surprised that the first review of the summit I read differed from jack's experience drastically

[jack sommerset]

WHy am I not surprised that the first review of the summit I read differed from jack's experience drastically

What did you think of it?

[SouthernFried]

Did somebody read from that copy?

If not, it was indeed a prop.

FINALLY...WE AGREE!!

The Health care legislation IS A PROP!

Welcome aboard Chump!

[ChumpDumper]

FINALLY...WE AGREE!!

The Health care legislation IS A PROP!

Welcome aboard Chump!No, that copy was a prop.

You don't read well at all.

[SouthernFried]

No, that copy was a prop.

You don't read well at all.

LOL...so, if the republicans had the "original" pages of the legislation, and not a photocopy of the legislation, then it would have made all the difference in the world, eh?

"Mr. Obama, your honor...this is the original copy of the health care legislation...it is no longer a prop cuz it's not just a copy of the legislation?"

...lol...too funny.

Your more right than you know Chump...props to you.

:toast

[ChumpDumper]

LOL...so, if the republicans had the "original" pages of the legislation, and not a photocopy of the legislation, then it would have made all the difference in the world, eh?

"Mr. Obama, your honor...this is the original copy of the health care legislation...it is no longer a prop cuz it's not just a copy of the legislation?"

...lol...too funny.

Your more right than you know Chump...props to you.

:toastYou are really bad at reading.

And spelling.

[Spursmania]

I've spent the day painting the kitchen and listening to this. Let me summarize for those fortunate enough not to be painting the kitchen today.

Obama: My ideas are good. You should support them.
Republicans: Fuck You. Support our ideas.
Obama: Fuck You.
Republicans: No Fuck You.
Pelosi: Nobody wants to fuck me.
All: Shut the fuck up bitch
Obama: This has been very constructive. Thank you all for coming. Now on to reconciliation.


Nice summary:lol

[jack sommerset]

They did protect Pelosi. She had a couple of minutes and no republican could respond to her stupidity.

[George Gervin's Afro]

They did protect Pelosi. She had a couple of minutes and no republican could respond to her stupidity.

SOmetimes I wonder how I respond to your stupidity jack. I lose IQ points everytime I read one of your posts.

[jack sommerset]

SOmetimes I wonder how I respond to your stupidity jack. I lose IQ points everytime I read one of your posts.

They did. What did you think of the summit?

[George Gervin's Afro]

They did. What did you think of the summit?

Didn't watch it jack.

[jack sommerset]

Didn't watch it jack.

If you get a chance you should watch it. Your IQ will shoot back up a few more points. Pelosi spoke before Obama wrapped things up. She threw a couple of insults, rambled on for a few minutes then Obama finished things up. Summit over. Everyone else, repugs and dems were fair game. Not her.

[xrayzebra]

Sounds like he did. I just turned to CNN and they said he told repugs that they are moving forward without them.

You mean like when he had the majority in the house and super majority
in the Senate......yeah baby, I can do it without you......not!
All mouth and hot air. Hasn't had an original idea since Karl Marx.

:lmao

He is an idiot, he thinks he has balls, but they are the balls of a gansta,
Chicago style.

[xrayzebra]

Did somebody read from that copy?

If not, it was indeed a prop.


Yeah, Ryan tried to, but Obama shut him up. Hell, Obama talked something
two hours, his Democrat side talk another two hours and Republicans just
got two hours.

But of course the Democrats gave us good soap opera, like the woman
who used her dead sisters teeth to eat......:depressed

[balli]

WHy am I not surprised that the first review of the summit I read differed from jack's experience drastically

My experience too. I just got home, opened up firefox- The first two stories at the top of my igoogle page were about Obama kicking ass and/or Republicans getting pwnt.

So yeah, after reading those accounts, I'm not surprised to see the dead enders acting self-righteously defensive. Apparently reality has eluded them yet again.

[DMX7]

He is an idiot, he thinks he has balls, but they are the balls of a gansta,
Chicago style.

lol, this from a peasant. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

What is the difference in gangsta balls from balls?

Do you have first hand experience with gangsta balls, x?

[Jess]

My experience too. I just got home, opened up firefox- The first two stories at the top of my igoogle page were about Obama kicking ass and/or Republicans getting pwnt.
It's up to you if you're satisfied by those reports. You're obviously open to the opinions of complete strangers so allow me: the President was desperately trying to command the room and the direction of this bill; talking over others and dare I say down to them. He talked alot, and didn't say very much.

Call that pwning if you want, but this was supposed to be a discussion. I didn't get a damn thing from it, just a parade for the cameras for both sides.

[ElNono]

You mean like when he had the majority in the house and super majority
in the Senate......yeah baby, I can do it without you......not!
All mouth and hot air. Hasn't had an original idea since Karl Marx.

:lmao

He is an idiot, he thinks he has balls, but they are the balls of a gansta,
Chicago style.

Wait, does that mean that if he actually rams this thing through with reconciliation you would actually give the guy props for having the balls to do it?

Somehow I think you'll be actually whining...

[ploto]

I will have more respect for Obama if he pushes this through at the risk of his re-election.

[SouthernFried]

The American People don't want this crap...but the lefties here will respect him a lot if he shoves it down our throats.

...and so it goes.

[DMX7]

The American People don't want this crap...but the lefties here will respect him a lot if he shoves it down our throats.

...and so it goes.

So far, only the Public Option has been mentioned as a candidate for reconciliation, and the American People want the Public Option.

[ChumpDumper]

The American People don't want this crap...but the lefties here will respect him a lot if he shoves it down our throats.

...and so it goes.Why do you rip off Linda Ellerbee?

[Yonivore]

WHy am I not surprised that the first review of the summit I read differed from jack's experience drastically
Whose review did you first read?

[DarrinS]

So far, only the Public Option has been mentioned as a candidate for reconciliation, and the American People want the Public Option.


What evidence supports this claim?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Whose review did you first read?

I picked the article on Yahoo's front page. Yahoo is my home page and that the was the first thing I read about the summit.

[boutons_deux]

"What evidence supports this claim"

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/090617_NBC-WSJ_poll_Full.pdf

http://4and20blackbirds.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/public-option-numbers-rising-cnn-poll-says-61-favor-public-option/

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/12/18-9

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/poll-even-republican-voters-favor-the-public-option.php

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/public-support-for-public-option.html

get slapped much, bitch?

[DarrinS]

"What evidence supports this claim"

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/090617_NBC-WSJ_poll_Full.pdf

http://4and20blackbirds.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/public-option-numbers-rising-cnn-poll-says-61-favor-public-option/

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/12/18-9

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/poll-even-republican-voters-favor-the-public-option.php

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/public-support-for-public-option.html

get slapped much, bitch?



Meh, more RECENT polls show that people are about evenly split.

[Winehole23]

Put em up, then, or say which ones you mean, Darrin.

[boutons_deux]

I've seen polls where people are split vs. the current non-PO health bill, NOT split on the PO option.

Magic Negro ran on doing a public option, it polled very popularly in the 2008 campaign (and probably won him quite a few votes), people still want a public option. They don't even know any PO details, but like people voted against the Repugs in 2006 and 2008, they probably prefer a public option as voting against the profiteering health insurers.

Magic Negro is taking a real risk electorally by not including a public option. It's one of my huge disappointments with the guy (as is cutting a deal with BigPharma rather than using them as the whipping boy to bend down the (drug) cost curve (to where US drug costs are the same as non-US drug costs).

[jack sommerset]

When MSNBC's two hour special on the Obama Summit starts off with thier peeps saying repugs came more prepared then the dems that is them saying "dems got owned" Out of the 6-7 hours, the repugs only talked for 2 of them. Imagine if Obama was bipartisan curious what they would have said.

Obama was called out after the first 90 minutes becuase the dems had 50 something minutes so far and repugs 24-25 minutes up to that point, Obama talked down to him reminding him who the president was and that time difference, to that point was only because he opened the talks. But nothing changed.

LOL@ Obamacare for all because some lady had to wear her dead sisters teeth!!!!!

[ploto]

The American People don't want this crap...but the lefties here will respect him a lot if he shoves it down our throats.

...and so it goes.

The American people voted him in and voted in a majority of his party to the Congress. They have the right to pass their legislation through. I did not agree with some of what Bush did but he won and that is what you get to do-- pass your legislation.

I thought health care reform was a necessity almost 20 years ago when Clinton tried to do something about it, and I will have more respect for Obama doing something about it even if it supposedly might harm his re-election bid.

[DarrinS]

Put em up, then, or say which ones you mean, Darrin.


Heck, I'll even site a far-left website:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201002220019

There are some links to more recent polls at the bottom of the page.

[DarrinS]

I thought health care reform was a necessity almost 20 years ago when Clinton tried to do something about it, and I will have more respect for Obama doing something about it even if it supposedly might harm his re-election bid.



And it was soundly rejected then, too.

[Winehole23]

Do you notice any consistency in the polls you cited, other than being "about evenly split"?

[DarrinS]

Do you notice any consistency in the polls you cited, other than being "about evenly split"?


End my suspence. What are you getting at?

[spursncowboys]

When did reconciliation stop being the nuclear option?

[ploto]

And it was soundly rejected then, too.

Time showed Clinton was right.

[jack sommerset]

The American people voted him in and voted in a majority of his party to the Congress. They have the right to pass their legislation through. I did not agree with some of what Bush did but he won and that is what you get to do-- pass your legislation.

I thought health care reform was a necessity almost 20 years ago when Clinton tried to do something about it, and I will have more respect for Obama doing something about it even if it supposedly might harm his re-election bid.

We can't afford it, don't want it plus the american people voted him in because of the promises he told. On this topic he promised live debate on C-Span, ya know, to show the process of health care. We didn't get that. Instead we got the complete opposite. Lockout the other party for over a year, bribe senators, do not listen to the people, ignore the polls, elections (Mass, Virgina and NJ) and when he has his first meeting with the repugs, he has a bill posted 4 days before the meeting and tells them if they can figure out away to give 30 million people free insurance that he will listen. Problem is they don't want to give 30 million people free insurance, they don't want government to run Obamacare, they don't want higher taxes to pay for this, the repugs want reform in other ways. So durning the debate they show the prez how to lower cost and ideas on how to make insurance better and what do we get from Obama. The last few minutes of the debate, Obama tells the repugs if I don't see you move towards us, we will go forward without you. In that sense the debate was a waste. But for the doubters this guy sucks ass, it was well worth it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

And it was soundly rejected then, too.

Yes the GOP scared the country back then as well. Of course, costs have continued rise since then.. nice job GOP:toast

[DarrinS]

Yes the GOP scared the country back then as well. Of course, costs have continued rise since then.. nice job GOP:toast



The left has been yearning for socialized medicine for over 70 years. I guess the GOP has been doing a good job for a long time.

[George Gervin's Afro]

We can't afford it, don't want it plus the american people voted him in because of the promises he told. On this topic he promised live debate on C-Span, ya know, to show the process of health care. We didn't get that. Instead we got the complete opposite. Lockout the other party for over a year, bribe senators, do not listen to the people, ignore the polls, elections (Mass, Virgina and NJ) and when he has his first meeting with the repugs, he has a bill posted 4 days before the meeting and tells them if they can figure out away to give 30 million people free insurance that he will listen. Problem is they don't want to give 30 million people free insurance, they don't want government to run Obamacare, they don't want higher taxes to pay for this, the repugs want reform in other ways. So durning the debate they show the prez how to lower cost and ideas on how to make insurance better and what do we get from Obama. The last few minutes of the debate, Obama tells the repugs if I don't see you move towards us, we will go forward without you. In that sense the debate was a waste. But for the doubters this guy sucks ass, it was well worth it.



Welcome back to political reality jack.. are you just now realizing this is how politics work? You do realize that politicians have been 'bribed ' for thier vots since the begining of our country? Nice job, way to stay ahead of the curve.... you are such an idiot..

[DarrinS]

Geroge Will sums it up nicely.

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[George Gervin's Afro]

Geroge Will sums it up nicely.

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Yes, a right wing pundit sums it up nicely for right wingers..nice find!

[boutons_deux]

George Will is part of wealthy oligarchy of DC, of course he would be against health care for the bottom of society.

[jack sommerset]

Welcome back to political reality jack.. are you just now realizing this is how politics work? You do realize that politicians have been 'bribed ' for thier vots since the begining of our country? Nice job, way to stay ahead of the curve.... you are such an idiot..

I was holding out for Change and Hope. People were lied to by Obama and that's why he was elected president. You're cool with the winner of the free world going to the biggest liar. Let me use your language so you are not offended, the winner goes to the perosn who promises the most. Dude, you are such a repug troll, pretending to be a dem.

[DarrinS]

George Will is part of wealthy oligarchy of DC, of course he would be against health care for the bottom of society.



Do you hate all wealthy people? Or just wealthy conservatives?

[George Gervin's Afro]

The left has been yearning for socialized medicine for over 70 years. I guess the GOP has been doing a good job for a long time.

Yes healthcare is now almost unaffordable to the middle class. be proud for doing nothing and scaring everyone when someone has tried to do something about it:toast

[EVAY]

When did reconciliation stop being the nuclear option?

When the Republicans used it to pass two Bush tax cuts leading to a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit?

[DarrinS]

Yes healthcare is now almost unaffordable to the middle class. be proud for doing nothing and scaring everyone when someone has tried to do something about it:toast


I'm middle class and I'm one of the 95% who are satisfied with their health insurance (of the 85% of all Americans that have insurance).

The only thing I fear is creating another huge entitlement program when existing entitlement programs are already going broke. This would be doing "something".

[ploto]

I'm middle class and I'm one of the 95% who are satisfied with their health insurance.

Link?

[SouthernFried]

The people of the United States...DON'T WANT THIS SHIT!

[George Gervin's Afro]

The people of the United States...DON'T WANT THIS SHIT!

So now we want our legislatures to govern by polls! Now we must put our finger in the wind and vote whatever the latest poll inidcates what's popular..

brilliant

[DMX7]

Heck, I'll even site a far-left website:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201002220019

There are some links to more recent polls at the bottom of the page.

As usual, the majority doesn't represent the "American People" to you. But it is amazing that the majority of Americans do still want it even though it's been labeled as the devil by Republicans. And of course, every republican in congress has government run socialized healthcare, so more typical hypocrisy from the right.

[nkdlunch]

"95% satisfied with health insurance"

:lmao

[spursncowboys]

Yes healthcare is now almost unaffordable to the middle class. be proud for doing nothing and scaring everyone when someone has tried to do something about it:toast

Please show which part of this bill would lower the cost

[DarrinS]

I guess after they ram this shit through and a bunch of Dems lose their seats, this will be even further evidence of how a majority of Americans want Obamacare.

[spursncowboys]

The Democrats were elected in office so they have the votes. They can go nuclear (nuclurh) if they like. However they realize they will pay a cost politically. Dick Morris who has been pretty right with all his predictions and polling says that the real question for the Dems if they do this isn't what seats are in danger, but which seats are safe. Every seat will be contested. And it will all be with one issue.
Also the precedent that will be set from doing this. They can say all they want about when the Repubs did the nuclear option, but 1. if wasn't something like this. 2. They had the political backing of the electorate. and 3. If I remember it was mostly the judges that the dems wouldn't even give an up or down vote.
When the Repubs come into office, they can just have a majority to take it out.
Obama is misreading his election victory if he thinks this is what the majority of Americans want, or a majority of what his voters wanted.

[Winehole23]

I guess after they ram this shit through and a bunch of Dems lose their seats, this will be even further evidence of how a majority of Americans want Obamacare.There's no public option in the Senate bill.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I guess after they ram this shit through and a bunch of Dems lose their seats, this will be even further evidence of how a majority of Americans want Obamacare.

Now this may be true but I am not sure we want our leaders governing based on public opinion. Republican or Democrat..using your logic and comparing to the Iraq war Bush should have listened to the polls and pulled out of Iraq... because after all that's what the American people wanted.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The Democrats were elected in office so they have the votes. They can go nuclear (nuclurh) if they like. However they realize they will pay a cost politically. Dick Morris who has been pretty right with all his predictions and polling says that the real question for the Dems if they do this isn't what seats are in danger, but which seats are safe. Every seat will be contested. And it will all be with one issue.
Also the precedent that will be set from doing this. They can say all they want about when the Repubs did the nuclear option, but 1. if wasn't something like this. 2. They had the political backing of the electorate. and 3. If I remember it was mostly the judges that the dems wouldn't even give an up or down vote.
When the Repubs come into office, they can just have a majority to take it out.
Obama is misreading his election victory if he thinks this is what the majority of Americans want, or a majority of what his voters wanted.



There you go again..assuming you know people's motives...

[ChumpDumper]

When did reconciliation stop being the nuclear option?It never was the nuclear option. You idiots got fooled by your own party into thinking that's what it was not even five years after the real nuclear option was threatened to be used -- by Republicans. It's amazing how fucking gullible you are. They took advantage of your stupidity and knee-jerk partisanship.

[jack sommerset]

There George the troll goes again. Keep ignoring polls. Keep ignoring town hall meetings. Keep ignoring the Massachusetts, Virginia and New Jersey elections, all 3 voted for Obama a year ago. Keep ignoring the dems themselves that can't pass this bill after 13 months. Keep ignoring the bribes Obama gave those who voted yes who would not have,Nebraska and Lousiana. Ignore the fact americans have rejected free health care for everyone throughout history. Ignore the 94 elections.

It's past the point Obama is not listening. People's IQ's drop reading your dumbass takes. When november rolls around and the dems lose control of congress, Georgie the troll will be saying it's because whatever Obama tells him to say. They will ignore it then like they do now.

I love the bullshit politics the dems are talking about the past two weeks. "Everyone in the polls want what we are presenting." Except they forget to mention, they don't want to pay for it. There are lots of things I want and say "hell yes " to all the questions that are asked. Then why don't I purchase, I can't afford it. Sleazy, sleazy politics is what is going on here. And Georgie the troll is spewing thier nonsense.

[Wild Cobra]

I guess after they ram this shit through and a bunch of Dems lose their seats, this will be even further evidence of how a majority of Americans want Obamacare.

I think it would be funny if they did pass it with reconcilliation, then half the democrats lose their seats to republicans, and republicans then nullify their work next year.

Wouldn't that be something?

[George Gervin's Afro]

There George the troll goes again. Keep ignoring polls. Keep ignoring town hall meetings. Keep ignoring the Massachusetts, Virginia and New Jersey elections, all 3 voted for Obama a year ago. Keep ignoring the dems themselves that can't pass this bill after 13 months. Keep ignoring the bribes Obama gave those who voted yes who would not have,Nebraska and Lousiana. Ignore the fact americans have rejected free health care for everyone throughout history. Ignore the 94 elections.

It's past the point Obama is not listening. People's IQ's drop reading your dumbass takes. When november rolls around and the dems lose control of congress, Georgie the troll will be saying it's because whatever Obama tells him to say. They will ignore it then like they do now.

I love the bullshit politics the dems are talking about the past two weeks. "Everyone in the polls want what we are presenting." Except they forget to mention, they don't want to pay for it. There are lots of things I want and say "hell yes " to all the questions that are asked. Then why don't I purchase, I can't afford it. Sleazy, sleazy politics is what is going on here. And Georgie the troll is spewing thier nonsense.

sleazy politics? Hey dummy this has been going on for 200 years. Where have you been?

should politicians govern based on day to day polling?

have any politicians prior to 2010/2009 ever been rewarded for votes on certain pieces of legislation in the appropriation process?

Simple yes or no questions.


Let's see if jackie will answer them.

[jack sommerset]

sleazy politics? Hey dummy this has been going on for 200 years. Where have you been?

should politicians govern based on day to day polling?

have any politicians prior to 2010/2009 ever been rewarded for votes on certain pieces of legislation in the appropriation process?

Simple yes or no questions.


Let's see if jackie will answer them.

Fucking idiot. You are ignoring everything else. It's down to polls to you. That's all. Day to day polls at that. "NO" .Over 13 months "YES" .Should they pay attention to elections. YES. Should they pay attention town meetings YES. Should they pay attention to other elections. YES. Should they keep their promises YES. Should they take bribes. NO

Keep on spewing dumbass. You make NO SENSE! Your troll does represents a few folks so keep him going. America does not want this bill. Sorry Georgie the troll.

[Wild Cobra]

Fucking idiot. You are ignoring everything else. It's down to polls to you. That's all. Day to day polls at that. "NO" .Over 13 months "YES" .Should they pay attention to elections. YES. Should they pay attention town meetings YES. Should they pay attention to other elections. YES. Should they keep their promises YES. Should they take bribes. NO

Keep on spewing dumbass. You make NO SENSE! Your troll does represents a few folks so keep him going. America does not want this bill. Sorry Georgie the troll.
See why I often just start belittling him?

[jack sommerset]

See why I often just start belittling him?

Dude has to be a troll. They are everywhere on this site. Noone is that fucking dumb.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Fucking idiot. You are ignoring everything else. It's down to polls to you. That's all. Day to day polls at that. "NO" .Over 13 months "YES" .Should they pay attention to elections. YES. Should they pay attention town meetings YES. Should they pay attention to other elections. YES. Should they keep their promises YES. Should they take bribes. NO

Keep on spewing dumbass. You make NO SENSE! Your troll does represents a few folks so keep him going. America does not want this bill. Sorry Georgie the troll.

Polls to me? You keep telling everyone that the American people don't want it based polls you idiot... So you agree that politicians should not govern based on polls..game over dummy.

I don't believe that the politicians should govern based on polls dummy..


Now the President should govern based on state races?:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

Dude has to be a troll. They are everywhere on this site. Noone is that fucking dumb.
You forget, the school systems are getting "progressive"ly worse, year after years, since the Department of Education was signed into law by the friendliest liberal president ever. Jimmy Carter.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You forget, the school systems are getting "progressive"ly worse, year after years, since the Department of Education was signed into law by the friendliest liberal president ever. Jimmy Carter.

Well we've had 20 yrs of Republican in the White House so surely they would share some of the blame..wouldn't they?

[Wild Cobra]

Well we've had 20 yrs of Republican in the White House so surely they would share some of the blame..wouldn't they?
Only if they micro manage the agency.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Only if they micro manage the agency.

So President's aren't accountable during their terms. Got it.

[ChumpDumper]

Only if they micro manage the agency.Bush was quite proud of passing No Child Left Behind.

[jack sommerset]

Polls to me? You keep telling everyone that the American people don't want it based polls you idiot... So you agree that politicians should not govern based on polls..game over dummy.

I don't believe that the politicians should govern based on polls dummy..


Now the President should govern based on state races?:lmao

I can't go back and forth with you or this troll any longer. Sorry buddy, I'm done playing.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I can't go back and forth with you or this troll any longer. Sorry buddy, I'm done playing.

Because you lost AGAIN.. run away sissy. It's always a pleasure kicking your ass. I look forward to doing it again real soon.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Bush was quite proud of passing No Child Left Behind.

Conservatives are for local control for education. They don't like the Federal govt dictating un funded mandates.

[Wild Cobra]

Bush was quite proud of passing No Child Left Behind.
Sure. I know that.

Still, I find it so funny how democrats beat up on Bush (43) on the bill. Ted Kennedy was it's biggest advocate in the senate. It passed in the House 384-45. It passed in the senate 91-8. The final votes were 381-41 and 87-10. Yes votes in the house were 198 democrats and 183 republicans. No votes were 6 democrtas and 33 republicans.

At least it was truly a bipartisan bill. Blame your congress members. Not president Bush.

This was a case of congressional law. Not that of micro management by the president.

[Wild Cobra]

Conservatives are for local control for education. They don't like the Federal govt dictating un funded mandates.
I don't call president Bush a conservative. He is more liberal than conservative.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure. I know that.

Still, I find it so funny how democrats beat up on Bush (43) on the bill. Ted Kennedy was it's biggest advocate in the senate. It passed in the House 384-45. It passed in the senate 91-8. The final votes were 381-41 and 87-10. Yes votes in the house were 198 democrats and 183 republicans. No votes were 6 democrtas and 33 republicans.

At least it was truly a bipartisan bill. Blame your congress members. Not president Bush.

This was a case of congressional law. Not that of micro management by the president.It was micromanagement by the government supported by Republicans.

I'll definitely blame Bush. I know you could never bring yourself to blame him for anything.

[spursncowboys]

Because you lost AGAIN.. run away sissy. It's always a pleasure kicking your ass. I look forward to doing it again real soon.

:lol
What is a win to you?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol
What is a win to you?Knowing what the nuclear option is probably counts.

[Nbadan]

Is there a GOP talking point on this health-care summit that has stood up to scrutiny yet? Wing-nut radio is focusing on Obama's 'lack of respect' for McCain for calling him John....

:lol

You know when all they have is Faux outrage like that, they just got their asses handed to them...

[Nbadan]

...a Wholly Owned Subsidiary of the Insurance Industry..

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[admiralsnackbar]

Is there a GOP talking point on this health-care summit that has stood up to scrutiny yet?

Sure:

"We can't afford the plan on the table."

[Nbadan]

:rolleyes

At least at inception, it's budget neutral...


Americans are fed up. Americans are tired of not only the GOP's efficient obstructionism but also with the Democrats who have allowed the minority to prevent government from working. Republicans were thrilled when Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts seat went to a Republican instead of a Democrat for the first time in decades. But they overlooked something very fundamental about the Brown win. A major part of Scott Brown's campaign platform included a promise that if they sent him to Washington, he would reach across the aisle to work with Democrats. And Massachusetts voters, like the rest of America would be, were delighted at the prospect of an elected representative who would actually go to Washington to work with his colleagues to serve the public interest.

Republicans aren't paying attention. They are sifting through the information and picking the bits they want to believe and dismissing the bigger picture. Some tea baggers and many Republicans believe the GOP should become even more conservative than it already is. If there was anything to take away from the 23rd District election in New York, it is that the voters don't want a country that is even more conservative than it already is. The 23rd District of New York is notoriously conservative and they chose the Democrat over the ultra conservative Hoffman.

What the GOP should have learned from the Scott Brown election is that voters want a representative who will work in Washington, one who will reach across the aisle to try to move the country forward. Instead they deemed the Brown win a win against health care reform. Their early elation at his election turned to outrage when Senator Brown had the nerve to allow a bill concerned with providing jobs to Americans to move forward. Senator Brown may have disappointed the obstructionist GOP collective but he is smarter than they are. He understands that the voters back home in Massachusetts want the person who represents them in Washington to actually work for them.

Senator Chuck Grassley gave anecdotal evidence of what his constituents wanted using as his proof, his experience over the summer of 2009 in town hall meetings. Half the people attending town hall meetings were bussed in from around the country. He seemed to honestly believe that the people who came to his town hall meetings and voiced their fears about death panels offered a true representations of the average American.

When Republican Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming suggested that poor people buy catastrophic health insurance, it was shocking to realize he was in earnest. The man is so out of touch with the average American that one could almost feel sorry for him if it weren't for the fact that he was so genuinely devoid of compassion for people less fortunate than himself. In states like Alabama, catastrophic health insurance isn't an option for poor people or any people. But that's not the point. One of the reasons our country is ranked 37th in the nation by the World Health Organization is because of the high price of health care and lack of prophylactic care which leads to preventable deaths. One would think that Mr. Barrasso who has a degree in medicine would understand the importance of preventative medicine, something catastrophic health insurance isn't concerned with.

It was never more clear than at yesterday's Health Care Summit that the Republican mantra of 'let's start over' is a stalling tactic when our nation is in the midst of a health care crisis that directly effects the economy. Republicans don't want health care reform. They probably hated it that President Obama invited them to an open Summit meeting where they would have to pretend to be interested in helping Americans who are in crisis. It was transparency in the truest sense. The GOP are so out of touch with the growing number of Americans in crisis that their feeble suggestions and compassionless speeches at the Summit were not only embarrassing for them but shocking to many Americans who watched the event. Never before have Republicans seemed to be so out of touch with the needs of the people they were elected to serve.

Examiner

[spursncowboys]

It never was the nuclear option. You idiots got fooled by your own party into thinking that's what it was not even five years after the real nuclear option was threatened to be used -- by Republicans. It's amazing how fucking gullible you are. They took advantage of your stupidity and knee-jerk partisanship.

..........what?

[ChumpDumper]

..........what?What part of "It never was the nuclear option" do you not understand?

[Wild Cobra]

I'll definitely blame Bush. I know you could never bring yourself to blame him for anything.
I'll make you a deal.

When everyone here stops making stuff up about president Bush, and only attacks him for factual matters, then I will more openly share what I dislike about him too. As it stands, I see no point of piling on the stuff I dislike about him, and mixing it with you guy's lies and slander. There is plenty I dislike about him. I just don't see the point of associating with all you unethical liars.

[DarrinS]

Looking back at Bush mistakes is just a distraction from the inneffectuality of Barack Hopenchange Obama (MMM MMM MMM) and the Dem-controlled congress.


Obama even does it himself on a fairly routine basis.


If I constantly sited the poor work of a former employee as an excuse for my performance, I'd be laughed out of the room.

[xrayzebra]

What is the difference in gangsta balls from balls?



All talk. No action.

[ChumpDumper]

All talk. No action.So why act like he is going to destroy America if he is no action on health care?

[ChumpDumper]

I'll make you a deal.

When everyone here stops making stuff up about president Bush, and only attacks him for factual matters, then I will more openly share what I dislike about him too. As it stands, I see no point of piling on the stuff I dislike about him, and mixing it with you guy's lies and slander. There is plenty I dislike about him. I just don't see the point of associating with all you unethical liars.:lmao You lie all the time, dumbass.


Looking back at Bush mistakes is just a distraction from the inneffectuality of Barack Hopenchange Obama (MMM MMM MMM) and the Dem-controlled congress.:lol inneffectuality? You try to distract from your stupidity with more stupidity.


If I constantly sited the poor work of a former employee as an excuse for my performance, I'd be laughed out of the room.Yes because everyone knows your problem is posting on message boards from work.

[Supergirl]

Comments on this thread remind me of the often repeated social psychology experiment in which people with strong views on opposing sides of an issue are shown various pieces of news covering that topic.

Without exception, people watched the same piece of news and interpreted it as confirmation of their previously held positions. They failed again and again to integrate any views supporting their opposing viewpoint into their overall impression.

Which is just really depressing in terms of what this says about the state of humanity and the possibility of ever having real democracy.

What I saw was Obama kicking the Republicans asses. Every point they made he offered measured, detailed responses pointing our the errors in their thinking. And I thought his response to McCain was right on.

But hey, what you saw when you watched really depends on what your opinions were before you watched it.

[Yonivore]

Comments on this thread remind me of the often repeated social psychology experiment in which people with strong views on opposing sides of an issue are shown various pieces of news covering that topic.

Without exception, people watched the same piece of news and interpreted it as confirmation of their previously held positions. They failed again and again to integrate any views supporting their opposing viewpoint into their overall impression.

Which is just really depressing in terms of what this says about the state of humanity and the possibility of ever having real democracy.

What I saw was Obama kicking the Republicans asses. Every point they made he offered measured, detailed responses pointing our the errors in their thinking. And I thought his response to McCain was right on.

But hey, what you saw when you watched really depends on what your opinions were before you watched it.
Okay, I'll bite...

What was President Obama's "...measured, detailed response pointing out the errors..." in Paul Ryan's detailed dissembling of Obamacare's claims to be (at worst) deficit neutral and (at best) deficit reducing?

Reposted for your consumption. Feel free to post the President's detailed and measured response.

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His response to Senator McCain was ironic in light of the fact this President is still campaigning.