Nike shoes being banned from NBA locker-rooms; cause injuries

[mogrovejo]

Pistons ban Nike

Thu Feb 25,2010 5:39 PM ET By Kurt Helin (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/kurt-helin)

Can a basketball shoe be too light?

Turns out yes, at least according to Arnie Kander, the Pistons strength and conditioning coach for the past 18 years (via Ball Don't Lie (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Pistons-trainer-banishes-Nike-Hyperize-sneakers?urn=nba,224239)). After a string of ankle and foot problems with Pistons players. He told the Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/article/20100220/SPORTS03/2200355/1051/sports03/Pistons-ankle-injuries-It-must-be-the-shoes) about the problem but was too kind to name the problem shoes.

We're not so kind -- it's the Nike Hyperize.


"I'm not going to name the brand of shoe it was, but it has been banned from our locker room and the guys aren't allowed to wear it," Kander said. "These shoes had taken most of the support out of the sides and it was a lighter shoe. Most basketball shoes weigh between 1.4 and 1.7 pounds.

"These shoes were weighing 0.8 pounds, which was way too light as far as side support. Since we've banned the shoe, knock on wood, we haven't had any ankle sprains. Hopefully, the good Lord willing, we won't have any more and we can finish the season healthy and see what these guys can really do."
Rip Hamilton stopped, his ankle got better. Same with Ben Gordon. Third year player Will Bynum new better than the nearly two decades of experience for Kander, so he kept wearing them. Until he hurt his ankle again. Then he stopped.

Piston players are not alone -- three of four Orlando players (Rashard Lewis, Brandon Bass and Ryan Anderson) have moved away from the Hyperize, according to Ben Q. Rock (http://twitter.com/BQRMagic/status/9644741857) of Orlando Pinstriped Post (http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/)). It is a league wide trend.

[monosylab1k]

It has nothing to do with how light the shoe is. The Kobe IV and Kobe V are light as hell, low tops, and easily the best basketball shoes ever made. Plenty of ankle support even as a low top.

[HarlemHeat37]

I was going to buy these kicks, they got get reviews from everywhere and I have a hook-up(I hate paying 100+ for basketball shoes since I wear them out anyways)..the weight intrigued me..I would have had to wait 2 weeks though and I had a tournament coming up, so I decided not to wait..good thing I didn't get them I guess, I have horrible ankle problems to begin with..

It's kind of funny because Hoop Magazine reviewed these shoes back in August and their "tester" sprained his ankle while he was testing them out, but they said they thought it was an aberration(quoted)..they'll be getting negative pub for this shit..

I just went with the XX3 instead, quality shoes..

[rAm]

atleast their promo video was entertaining

L9rUn2YchOY

[lil_penny]

I was a little scared to get the kobes due to the fact that they had no side support. But I purchased them anyways and they are easily the best basketball show I've ever wore.

[mogrovejo]

I was a little scared to get the kobes due to the fact that they had no side support. But I purchased them anyways and they are easily the best basketball show I've ever wore.

Ankle injury keeps Kobe Bryant in the locker room again (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/09/sports/la-spw-lakers-kobe-bryant10-2010feb10)



Ankle injury KO's Kobe Bryant for tonight (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1233671&srvc=rss)


NBA.com: Kobe misses third straight game with ankle injury (http://www.nba.com/2010/news/02/10/kobe.out.ap/index.html)



Los Angeles Lakers Kobe Bryant's ankle set back to 'square one (http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=4885754)

[Chieflion]

I think Adidas shoes are more durable and better for the user.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

i would have sworn Rip wore Jordans

[lil_penny]

Ankle injury keeps Kobe Bryant in the locker room again (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/09/sports/la-spw-lakers-kobe-bryant10-2010feb10)



Ankle injury KO's Kobe Bryant for tonight (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1233671&srvc=rss)


NBA.com: Kobe misses third straight game with ankle injury (http://www.nba.com/2010/news/02/10/kobe.out.ap/index.html)



Los Angeles Lakers Kobe Bryant's ankle set back to 'square one (http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=4885754)

Lol me

They still are the most comfortable bball shoes I've ever worn..

[Rip-Hamilton32]

Lol me

They still are the most comfortable bball shoes I've ever worn..

i also have them and love them i have yet to roll/sprain my ankle (knock on wood)

[lil_penny]

i also have them and love them i have yet to roll/sprain my ankle (knock on wood)

Yea same here I actually rolled my ankle twice in my pennys and found them to be a lot less comfortable in long lengths of wearing them compared to the kobes.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

Yea same here I actually rolled my ankle twice in my pennys and found them to be a lot less comfortable in long lengths of wearing them compared to the kobes.

ive played 15 games for my school plus 2 practices a day and 3 rep games and have still yet to roll my ankle but in my hyperdunks that i had last year it was happening on a weekly basis

[lil_penny]

Yea I almost bought the hyperdunks last year also lol I'm glad I didn't with all this abkle spraining talk.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

the LeBron soldiers are way worse though lol i have worn them like 3 times and ive had them for 2 years

[lil_penny]

the LeBron soldiers are way worse though lol i have worn them like 3 times and ive had them for 2 years

yea that's how my pennys are.. I thought it was just my feet or something then after I got into the kobes I couldn't believe I didn't have anymore pains or soreness. Only one other pair of shoes for ball have been even close to as comfortable and they were some adidas I had in high school.

[Halberto]

It has nothing to do with how light the shoe is. The Kobe IV and Kobe V are light as hell, low tops, and easily the best basketball shoes ever made. Plenty of ankle support even as a low top.


How can you make such a claim? I'm not trying to be a dick I'm just curious. Unless you are a 6'6"+ tall man or understand the physics behind it, I don't see how you can say such a thing.

[DMX7]

I've played basketball for like 5 or 6 years in lowtops and never seriously injured my ankles. You'll roll it sometimes even in shoes designed to prevent it.

[pad300]

Question, has anyone out there tried footgloves / natural running shoes in basketball?
http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/products_footwear.cfm

They claim a lot less stress on the foot/ankle/knee by allowing the user to run in a natural pattern, not being locked in by the stiffness of the sole...

[HarlemHeat37]

I've played basketball for like 5 or 6 years in lowtops and never seriously injured my ankles. You'll roll it sometimes even in shoes designed to prevent it.

Some guys seem to be able to get away with this, like yourself..

A couple of my friends play in extremely low low-tops that look like fucking slippers, and I've never seen them even roll their ankles in a mild way or anything..

I'm the complete opposite..I have to wear an ankle brace now from all the sprained ankles I've had over the years..

[redzero]

Can you say SABOTAGE!

[anonoftheinternets]

sorry to sidetrack the thread, but im looking to buy a new pair of basketball shoes. Any suggestions?

i was tending towards high tops but judging by the number of fans of the hyperize, i may have to rethink that stance.

[monosylab1k]

How can you make such a claim? I'm not trying to be a dick I'm just curious. Unless you are a 6'6"+ tall man or understand the physics behind it, I don't see how you can say such a thing.

Because 6-6 and taller guys are out there on the court every day wearing shoes EVEN LIGHTER than the Hyperize with no ankle problems, you dumb shit.

[monosylab1k]

Ankle injury keeps Kobe Bryant in the locker room again (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/09/sports/la-spw-lakers-kobe-bryant10-2010feb10)



Ankle injury KO's Kobe Bryant for tonight (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1233671&srvc=rss)


NBA.com: Kobe misses third straight game with ankle injury (http://www.nba.com/2010/news/02/10/kobe.out.ap/index.html)



Los Angeles Lakers Kobe Bryant's ankle set back to 'square one (http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=4885754)

Did you see how he hurt his ankle? There isn't a high-top basketball shoe in the world that will keep you from rolling your ankle when you fall right on someone's foot the way Kobe did. His shoe had absolutely nothing to do with it.

[monosylab1k]

I think Adidas shoes are more durable and better for the user.

:tu I always went with Adidas until the Kobe IV and Kobe V. But those two shoes blow everything else out of the water.

[The Gemini Method]

Did you see how he hurt his ankle? There isn't a high-top basketball shoe in the world that will keep you from rolling your ankle when you fall right on someone's foot the way Kobe did. His shoe had absolutely nothing to do with it.

And don't forget; he was leg whipped in the same ankle a few games prior to when he landed on the opponent's foot. So i'm not sure if any height of shoe would've protected him in that instance.

[jb4g]

waiting for Nike rep to show up and take this thread.........

[Mike D]

Don't these guys get their ankles taped every game?

I don't see the shoe being at fault here.

Surely this is pandemic and spreading to soccer, tennis, and other sports, right? :wakeup

[TheSullyMonster]

Surely this is pandemic and spreading to soccer, tennis, and other sports, right? :wakeup

Because they all wear basketball shoes, right?

[ChrisRichards]

Best basketball shoe IMO are the gary payton glove followed by nike zoom huarache and the kobe zoom IIIhttp://themixtapemonster.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/nike-the-glove.jpg
http://www.shoedeals4u.com/images/shoes/large/310850-061.jpg

http://api.ning.com/files/Q8-om9L7ySO-NPbSym2g6GiBhfqx39UO5ecsPCvWudIF7UV-7tLpzpuQ5UFERGRkSJoG0MfDNYFQKZQuMP6KFBQuVHeMHqlm/Rice_High_School_Basketball_shoes.jpg

[TheMACHINE]

BTW..the hyperizes are crap...no wonder they dont use it..the hyperdunks were alot better.

[TheMACHINE]

sorry to sidetrack the thread, but im looking to buy a new pair of basketball shoes. Any suggestions?

i was tending towards high tops but judging by the number of fans of the hyperize, i may have to rethink that stance.

I'd suggest the Kobe V's. If they're too pricey for you ($130), you might be able to get some Kobe IV's for under $100. Both are great shoes. I use to wear Jordans before, untill I got the 4's. The Kobe 1's wern't so bad either.

[TheMACHINE]

Best basketball shoe IMO are the gary payton glove followed by nike zoom huarache and the kobe zoom III

http://api.ning.com/files/Q8-om9L7ySO-NPbSym2g6GiBhfqx39UO5ecsPCvWudIF7UV-7tLpzpuQ5UFERGRkSJoG0MfDNYFQKZQuMP6KFBQuVHeMHqlm/Rice_High_School_Basketball_shoes.jpg

Kobe V "Rice" - Home and Aways
http://nicekicks.com/files/2010/02/zkvricehs-1.jpg

[Cry Havoc]

Question, has anyone out there tried footgloves / natural running shoes in basketball?
http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/products_footwear.cfm

They claim a lot less stress on the foot/ankle/knee by allowing the user to run in a natural pattern, not being locked in by the stiffness of the sole...

Those aren't really made for basketball. Basketball players NEED support and cushioning because running at a constant pace puts far less stress and strain on joints and feet than jumping and the various things that happen in a game.

[ChrisRichards]

Kobe V "Rice" - Home and Aways
http://nicekicks.com/files/2010/02/zkvricehs-1.jpg
Yours? Wow, love those colorways~!

[Allanon]

To be honest, I don't think there's been a hightop that's saved my ankle from getting sprained.

I don't think a high top or lowtop can save you from a a sprain.

Tape is probably the best method of minimizing sprains and even the tape ain't gonna save you when you land on another player's foot.

[Cry Havoc]

To be honest, I don't think there's been a hightop that's saved my ankle from getting sprained.

I don't think a high top or lowtop can save you from a a sprain.

Tape is probably the best method of minimizing sprains and even the tape ain't gonna save you when you land on another player's foot.

+1 agree

[lefty]

waiting for Nike rep to show up and take this thread.........

" Our shoes are perfectly safe, unless they are worn in a locker-room by Gilbert Arenas and Crittenton "

[TheMACHINE]

Yours? Wow, love those colorways~!

nope..the Rice colorways release in March. ;) They are HOT!

I got the Kobe V All Stars, Bruce Lee's and a pair of ID's on order.

[DPG21920]

Basketball shoes are ghey.

[boston.balla]

To be honest, I don't think there's been a hightop that's saved my ankle from getting sprained.

I don't think a high top or lowtop can save you from a a sprain.

Tape is probably the best method of minimizing sprains and even the tape ain't gonna save you when you land on another player's foot.

true, but the difference between a mild and a severe sprain is not to be neglected and the hightops do that. Moreover, hightops protect against injuring your foot when someone lands on it... i know it's rare but when you are bigman people hit your ankles alot, you get hit once twice thrice.. the ankle starts to hurt and then the chances of a sprain increase exponentially.