Hairston already proved he is better then Bogans

[ace3g]

with his 1st possession, driving to the basket for a layup, not settling for a 3 pointer

[HarlemHeat37]

ugh, jinx thread..

he's going to suck the rest of the game now..

[barbacoataco]

Every time I see Mahinmi or Hairston on the court they look like they can play. It just makes no sense that these guys are getting 0 playing time.

[Obstructed_View]

Every time I see Mahinmi or Hairston on the court they look like they can play. It just makes no sense that these guys are getting 0 playing time.

Pop's smarter than you are. He must see something in practice or...well 4R,F.

[ace3g]

right now Hairston has a better chance of making it, he looks a lot more comfortable out there

[barbacoataco]

I know Pop is smarter than I am. He has 4 rings and I have a mood ring. But even brilliant people get caught in ego and refuse to see what everyone around them sees. A

[Obstructed_View]

I know Pop is smarter than I am. He has 4 rings and I have a mood ring. But even brilliant people get caught in ego and refuse to see what everyone around them sees. A

I agree with you, but I wanted to throw the popsucking out there because it's on its way here.

[Dro210]

Come on Pop... open your eyes, watch the guy play... more minutes please.

[09-10 Pop]

Hairston is not old enough yet. Plus he doesn't look like Bowen.

[ace3g]

Hairston again with another layup

[ace3g]

just caused K Martin to travel, good D

[timtonymanu]

Seriously since we have no chance of winning this year why not start Hairston just to get him ready for next year?

Parker Hill Hairston Duncan Dice

We have nothing to lose at this point.

[MaNu4Tres]

just caused K Martin to travel, good D

He had a block on Martin in an one on one situation within the first 3 minutes he was in the game

[ffadicted]

Hairston: +10, 6pts, 3-4, 11:29
Bogans: -6, 0pts, 0-3, 14:21

LMAO Pop... not to mention the Bogans "bulldog defense" was outdone by Hairstons first legit game with this team lol

[8FOR!3]

I haven't seen enough Mahinmi to convince me of anything, but Hairston has really been impressive tonight.

[Obstructed_View]

Hairston: +10, 6pts, 3-4, 11:29
Bogans: -6, 0pts, 0-3, 14:21

LMAO Pop... not to mention the Bogans "bulldog defense" was outdone by Hairstons first legit game with this team lol

Yeah, but it was garbage time. /popsucker

[ace3g]

can't wait till Hairston can't be called down to the Toros anymore

[Obstructed_View]

Hairston has two blocks.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL Hairston just funneled Martin into Ian for the block..this is ridiculous and predictable..

[Obstructed_View]

LOL Hairston just funneled Martin into Ian for the block..this is ridiculous and predictable..

OMG, it's as though they know the rotation.

And an offensive rebound by Mahinmi. And 1.

[MannyIsGod]

Agree 100% with the OP. Bogans is the worst Spur to get regular minutes in a long fucking time and thats with Finley being in the rotation for years.

[ace3g]

Hairston with another drive to the basket, missed, but got the put back

[TJastal]

Can you all imagine if Pop had never signed Bogans and given Hairston his job from the very first game? Hairston would be a 15-20 ppg scorer easily

[HarlemHeat37]

Can you all imagine if Pop had never signed Bogans and given Hairston his job from the very first game? Hairston would be a 15-20 ppg scorer easily

Let's lower down the expectations there homie, but I know you were one of the supporters like myself, so good sight tonight..

[ace3g]

and he just solidified his spot, he missed his first FT

[Sigz]

Wow... Malik is an awful FT shooter.

[ace3g]

glad RJ got the put back

damn Hairston got up for that rebound, and nice hustle to save the ball

and another basket for the Spurs

[ace3g]

wow, make that call after 2 passes

[magui86770]

bs CALL!!!!

[ace3g]

hopefully Pop sees what young players can do for the team when old guys don't the job done

[ace3g]

Hairston gets the rebound, passes out to Hill for the corner 3!!!

[Quiet Strength]

I hope pop knows now who he should have on the court

[ace3g]

Hairston better be starting on Sunday

[SinBAD]

Hairston is a better defender than bogans too.they showed enough to be in the rotation.come on pop.sit bogans.he is a scrub

[TDomination]

Hairston better be starting on Sunday
it would be fun to see him in there with duncan and parker

[ace3g]

lets compare stat lines so far

Hairston: 4-6, 8 pts, 5 boards, 1 block in 17 minutes

Bogans 0-3, 3 TO in 14 min

who is better?

[ace3g]

I love how Hairston doesn't settle for the 3, when he knows he can't hit it consistently

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL @ the idiots that say "Hairston must not be impressing in practice"..it's stupid to begin with because he doesn't even spend most of his ball time with the Spurs, but it's ridiculous in general..

He outplayed Bogans in preseason by a huge margin(he also outplayed Mason and Finley) and he's a significantly better defender with better tools..somehow Pop didn't give him a chance to start with..

Not only did he play solid offensively, but his D was OUTSTANDING tonight..he had 4 1 on 1 situations against Kevin Martin..he blocked his shot on the first try, he forced him into a travel on the second try, he funneled him into Ian for a block on the 3rd try, and he forced him into a miss on the 4th try..somehow Pop thought it would be a better idea to have him guard Napoleon Dynamite instead, which led to Martin torching our other defenders..

Hairston OWNED Martin tonight..

It's absolutely ridiculous that he didn't get a shot earlier..if a bunch of us can see that Hairston deserves PT, then a highly regarded NBA coach should fucking see it too..

[MaNu4Tres]

LOL @ the idiots that say "Hairston must not be impressing in practice"..it's stupid to begin with because he doesn't even spend most of his ball time with the Spurs, but it's ridiculous in general..

He outplayed Bogans in preseason by a huge margin(he also outplayed Mason and Finley) and he's a significantly better defender with better tools..somehow Pop didn't give him a chance to start with..

Not only did he play solid offensively, but his D was OUTSTANDING tonight..he had 4 1 on 1 situations against Kevin Martin..he blocked his shot on the first try, he forced him into a travel on the second try, he funneled him into Ian for a block on the 3rd try, and he forced him into a miss on the 4th try..somehow Pop thought it would be a better idea to have him guard Napoleon Dynamite instead, which led to Martin torching our other defenders..

Hairston OWNED Martin tonight..

It's absolutely ridiculous that he didn't get a shot earlier..if a bunch of us can see that Hairston deserves PT, then a highly regarded NBA coach should fucking see it too..

[ace3g]

I always forget sometimes how high he can jump, going for that one rebound tonight!!! wow!!!!

[angelbelow]

Hairston had a fine game statistically. It seems like all our young guys had goo statistical games except for Blairs 6 fouls.

[Ditty]

hairston did shut down martin

[TimDunkem]

He didn't prove it tonight. He proved it in the preseason.

[HarlemHeat37]

Hairston is the best Defender on the Spurs since Bowen. I wish Pop kept Bowen on as a assistant so he could help Hairston with defense.

Didn't Hairston also guard Lebron once pretty well?

It's sad because he's the best perimeter defender we've had since Bowen by default..he actually has lateral quickness and athleticism..instead of going for players like that, the Spurs like going after Ime Udoka and Keith Bogans..if that doesn't work, they let Finley defend the opposing perimeter star..

[ace3g]

our rotations for the rest of the year should involve: Parker, Hairston, Jefferson, Duncan, Dice, Blair, Manu, Hill, Mason, and Mahinmi. No one else!!!!!!

[Thompson]

I originally posted this in the game thread.


If Ian and Hairston don't get decent playing time now Pop should be fired. That's not to say they're definitely the solution to our problems, but they have given you every reason to give them a shot (and your regular rotation players have given you every reason to give Ian and Hairston a shot).

Hairston and Ian were awesome tonight, especially when you consider they have had practically no playing time until tonight. They have to play more, there is no legitimate excuse not to play them more.

[Obstructed_View]

I love how Hairston doesn't settle for the 3, when a better shot is available

Fixed. Basketball 101.

Of course, Spurs Basketball 101 is "shoot when you're open or I'll bench you" so maybe Hairston's in trouble.

[Ditty]

our rotations for the rest of the year should involve: Parker, Hairston, Jefferson, Duncan, Dice, Blair, Manu, Hill, Mason, and Mahinmi. No one else!!!!!!

:toast

i have got off the bogans wagon now and cant wait till finley and bonner are gone after the season also

[MaNu4Tres]

I think Hairston and Mahimni for Bonner/Finley and Bogans could perhaps be the best trade the Spurs could have made at the deadline. Yes over Salmons and Thomas even.

[TJastal]

I hope pop knows now who he should have on the court

I hope pop gets kidnapped and flown to Turkey and held for ransom for the rest of the year.

[BlackSilver]

Play. This. Man.

[Chomag]

Hairston is the best Defender on the Spurs since Bowen. I wish Pop kept Bowen on as a assistant so he could help Hairston with defense.

Didn't Hairston also guard Lebron once pretty well?

yep , he also gave Tay Prince a fit.

[Chomag]

I think Hairston and Mahimni for Bonner/Finley and Bogans could perhaps be the best trade the Spurs could have made at the deadline. Yes over Salmons and Thomas even.

LOL Spurs inner trade. I like it!

[MaNu4Tres]

Mahimni/Hairston for Bonner/Finley/Bogans could do a lot for this team.

I hope this game wakes Pop the fuck up.

If this game doesn't wake him up, I don't know what will.

[Obstructed_View]

yep , he also gave Tay Prince a fit.

And he dunked on Yao.

[BlackSilver]

Finley looks mighty fine in a suit...

[Chomag]

And he dunked on Yao.

Almost forgot about that! Someone here had a gif of it. I wonder if they still do.

[timtonymanu]

like I said pop should get cancer, car accident, heart attack, or fall and break his ass...

Pop is pissing me off too but death shouldnt be an option. You need to get a life.

[G-Dawgg]

I wish Hairston had a mid-range jumpshot in his arsenal.. He'd be a pretty good player. He drove the ball well tonite though, props to him on a nice showing!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Every time I see Mahinmi or Hairston on the court they look like they can play. It just makes no sense that these guys are getting 0 playing time.

When you remember the fact that they're not over 30, you understand why.

[Chomag]

I wish Hairston had a mid-range jumpshot in his arsenal.. He'd be a pretty good player. He drove the ball well tonite though, props to him on a nice showing!

Actualy he does have a decent jump shot now. He isn't a great shooter no, but he is a pretty good one,.

[angelbelow]

like I said pop should get cancer, car accident, heart attack, or fall and break his ass...

I hope youre retarded

[Buddy Holly]

The comeback began when he was inserted into the game.

[TimDunkem]

Actualy he does have a decent jump shot now. He isn't a great shooter no, but he is a pretty good one,.

Yeah, he just didn't have many open looks.

[Chomag]

First game this season that Hairston got some good meaningfull minutes and look at what he did with it... He should have allready had these chances.

[HarlemHeat37]

The key with Hairston will be his confidence with his J in the NBA..

In D-league, he makes mid-range jump shots and 3-pointers very consistently..he shoots FTs at 85%..in the NBA, his free throw shooting has been horrible for some odd reason..his jump shot has improved, but we'll see how it translates to the NBA game..

he CAN shoot jump shots though, he showed it in preseason against the NBA guys and he shows it in D-league all the time(obviously inferior competition, but making an open jump shot is the same on any court)..

hopefully it translates to the NBA game and his confidence is high..

[sa_kid20]

Mahimni/Hairston for Bonner/Finley/Bogans could do a lot for this team.

I hope this game wakes Pop the fuck up.

If this game doesn't wake him up, I don't know what will.

I completely agree but you know Ian is gonna be back in a suit whenever Tony comes back so the best we can hope for is for Hairston to take a good chunk of Bogans/Finley's minutes which probably won't happen.

I hope you DVR'd the game cause unfortunatley it's probably gonna be the last time we see Malik Hairston outside of garbage time.

[tothrowed]

seriously since we have no chance of winning this year why not start hairston just to get him ready for next year?

Parker hill hairston duncan dice

we have nothing to lose at this point.


not dice play blair

[ulosturedge]

Not suprised here. I've been vouching and pushing for Malik to get some PT since day one. This is all Pop's mess. For one he won't play young players unless it is absolutely the last option. But the complete undoing of Malik's chance to contribute this year was the signing of Bogans. Pop realized he made a mistake signing Bogans, but of course he doesn't want to look bad by showing he wasted more of Holt's money. So it was obvious that Malik was going to dissapear for awhile and Bogans was going to get every chance this year to show what he can do. Which is not much of anything...


And lol at people talking about Malik's jumper when Bogan's has no jumper and he is our starting shooting guard...Anything is an upgrade from Bogan's i'm sorry.

[easy7]

Hell, I am better than Bogans...

[Ice009]

The key with Hairston will be his confidence with his J in the NBA..

In D-league, he makes mid-range jump shots and 3-pointers very consistently..he shoots FTs at 85%..in the NBA, his free throw shooting has been horrible for some odd reason..his jump shot has improved, but we'll see how it translates to the NBA game..

he CAN shoot jump shots though, he showed it in preseason against the NBA guys and he shows it in D-league all the time(obviously inferior competition, but making an open jump shot is the same on any court)..

hopefully it translates to the NBA game and his confidence is high..

I said in the game blog that Malik is a confidence shooter. When he is confident in his jumper he is a good shooter, but when he is not he can be average.

He had a fuck load of confidence in the preseason though and Pop never gave him the chance to keep it going into the NBA.

[Obstructed_View]

I said in the game blog that Malik is a confidence shooter. When he is confident in his jumper he is a good shooter, but when he is not he can be average.

He had a fuck load of confidence in the preseason though and Pop never gave him the chance to keep it going into the NBA.

At no point in the season, including preseason, has anyone in that position been worse than the guy who's started the vast majority of the games.

[Ice009]

At no point in the season, including preseason, has anyone in that position been worse than the guy who's started the vast majority of the games.

LOL well yeah Bogans is the best shooter/defender on the team ;).

It's going back a long way , but I recall wanting Bogans gone and Malik starting after that preseason and then out of nowhere Pop starts Bogans and giving him rotation minutes. I think Pop may have lost the season from that point on.

WOW that was bad decision making from Pop.

[Obstructed_View]

LOL well yeah Bogans is the best shooter/defender on the team ;).

It's going back a long way , but I recall wanting Bogans gone and Malik starting after that preseason and then out of nowhere Pop starts Bogans and giving him rotation minutes. I think Pop may have lost the season from that point on.

WOW that was bad decision making from Pop.

If it weren't so hard to do a search on this site, I'd go back and pull up all the game discussion threads in the preseason where we couldn't figure out why the hell Pop kept playing Bogans despite his complete lack of production in any capacity.

[Ice009]

If it weren't so hard to do a search on this site, I'd go back and pull up all the game discussion threads in the preseason where we couldn't figure out why the hell Pop kept playing Bogans despite his complete lack of production in any capacity.

Man, I have idea why Pop chose Bogans after that horrible preseason over Hairston. He really did a poor Larry Brown impersonation this season so far.

[all_heart]

Hairston is better than Finley and Bogans combined. Bogans has been a total dud lately. He looks like a junkyard dog, but he ain't.. If he ever had it it's all gone now. Finley should just voluntarily retire or sit behind the bench at least. How many pts has he scored since he's come back? Maybe 2? The Spurs were starting to come together a little bit here and there until Finley and Bonner came back, they screwed up the rotation. I think Pop takes slow for being cool and calm out there!!

THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL THAT FINLEY SHOULD BE GETTING ANY MINUTES AFTER HAIRSTONS PERFORMANCE TONIGHT.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

When it became clear the team was going nowhere back in mid-January Pop should have started blooding the youth. The FO should then have tried to pick up a young piece or two at the deadline. Neither of these things happened, and that has made this largely a wasted season.

[ace3g]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/photos/100226_11.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/55/fullj.3db4c65c6bdb5b6aee851020ca30557e/3db4c65c6bdb5b6aee851020ca30557e-getty-90043729bb021_spurs_rockets.jpg

[silverblackfan]

Thanks Rockets for finally getting us a good look at Hairston! Best loss of the year if this turns Pop around about giving Malik time on the court. At least take Finley's minutes...

[ace3g]

ok Pop that is how you negatively effect players, put in Hairston, who thinks he is going to play for a while then 20 sec later, take him out for the same guy he subbed in for ?

He didn't do anything wrong when he was in the game either

[timtonymanu]

If Bogans didnt have that one fluke game against Brandon Roy, we wouldnt even be seeing this thread. That game was his turning point after being on the bench.

[ace3g]

Bogans has had too many games as a starter with 0 pts. Let Hairston play, he is more active, efficient, would bring rest to some of your players for the 4th quarter surge.

Plus he is a much better rebounder

[exstatic]

Bogans has had too many games as a starter with 0 pts. Let Hairston play, he is more active, efficient, would bring rest to some of your players for the 4th quarter surge.

Plus he is a much better rebounder

DUMB PLAY to go under an Amare screen and let Nash shoot an open three. That's why he sits.

[Ice009]

DUMB PLAY to go under an Amare screen and let Nash shoot an open three. That's why he sits.

Great post. Not.

[Death In June]

DUMB PLAY to go under an Amare screen and let Nash shoot an open three. That's why he sits.So, with less than two minutes of game time, you expect him to come out at game's end and just make the defensive stop? That's putting a player in the worst position to fail. And what kind of sample size is two minutes anyway? Are you going to discount his 60% shooting, 7 rebound performance the other night? Because while it was certainly only one game, it was more than two minutes of evaluation.I mean, I guess your alternative is your defensive stopper. How is that working out for you?

[HarlemHeat37]

Hairston sits because of 1 play that wasn't his fault?..I guess Tim Duncan, a legend, is an idiot for that play too..

If you're going to make an argument that a guy doesn't play because he makes mistakes(even though it wasn't his fault), then how do you feel about Bogans, McDyess, Jefferson, Hill and Blair?..

[anakha]

DUMB PLAY to go under an Amare screen and let Nash shoot an open three. That's why he sits.

Amare appeared to be moving on that screen and Duncan was too far behind Amare to hedge onto Nash.

Both Hairston and Duncan deserved equal blame for that one.

[Obstructed_View]

DUMB PLAY to go under an Amare screen and let Nash shoot an open three. That's why he sits.

Brilliant move by Pop to give himself an excuse for not playing Hairston.

BTW, how many dumb defensive plays will it take before Bogans and Mason stop getting time?

[ace3g]

yes the shot was over hairston, and Hairston made a mistake, Nash hits those shots like nothing 90% of the time

You think Bogans would have done any better. Just glad Pop had Hairston out there for defensive purposes.

Still pretty sure Hairston could score more then 0 pts in 10 minutes of play, something Bogans can't

[200 miles]

DUMB PLAY to go under an Amare screen and let Nash shoot an open three. That's why he sits.

Why do you keep harping on that?

[DPG21920]

DUMB PLAY to go under an Amare screen and let Nash shoot an open three. That's why he sits.

You are being incredibly dense lately. That was as much of Tim's fault as Malik's. Tim should sit. What about Amare going for 40? Who sits for that? Or who sits for the Rockets having 3 guys go for 30+?

LMFAO at you saying something like that when he thrusts a guy into the game out of no where at the worst possible time on one of the best shooters in the NBA.

[pjjrfan]

It was a bad play but if he had been in there from the get go he would have had a better idea on how to play Nash. It's tough to go in and have to execute when you haven't been in the game at all until that point.

[HarlemHeat37]

Some people are underestimating how stupid of a decision Pop made by putting Hairston in the game at that point..

-He's played 1 actual game all year..
-He hadn't played all game..
-It's a pressure situation that he's never been in..
-He has to cover Steve fucking Nash..

What kind of idiot coach does that?..

[Chomag]

Some people are underestimating how stupid of a decision Pop made by putting Hairston in the game at that point..

-He's played 1 actual game all year..
-He hadn't played all game..
-It's a pressure situation that he's never been in..
-He has to cover Steve fucking Nash..

What kind of idiot coach does that?..

It's like Pop is doing everything to put Hairston in a situation to fail. Is Pop butt hurt that Hairston is making him look bad or something? I just don't understand how he was used in this game.

[Warlord23]

The way I see it, Pop is setting it up for Hairston to fail. He keeps his ass nailed to the bench for ever and then puts him in crunch time to play the role that a Bruce Bowen would normally handle.

On the other hand, Bogans, the guy who's supposed to be Bowen's replacement, gets to start the game, gets to brick some shots and do pretty much nothing else the whole game, and then doesn't guard Nash on that key play.

What kind of logic is that?

[exstatic]

Why do you keep harping on that?

Why do you keep sucking his dick? If you people are whining about his PT in multiple threads, expect responses.

[exstatic]

It's like Pop is doing everything to put Hairston in a situation to fail. Is Pop butt hurt that Hairston is making him look bad or something? I just don't understand how he was used in this game.


The way I see it, Pop is setting it up for Hairston to fail. He keeps his ass nailed to the bench for ever and then puts him in crunch time to play the role that a Bruce Bowen would normally handle.

On the other hand, Bogans, the guy who's supposed to be Bowen's replacement, gets to start the game, gets to brick some shots and do pretty much nothing else the whole game, and then doesn't guard Nash on that key play.

What kind of logic is that?

Pop's just putting him into situations, trying stuff, combos. The failure is on him. If he can't handle ball/man/score/situation now, how's he going to do it in the playoffs?

[Chomag]

You are being incredibly dense lately. That was as much of Tim's fault as Malik's. Tim should sent. What about Amare going for 40? Who sits for that? Or who sits for the Rockets having 3 guys go for 30+?

LMFAO at you saying something like that when he thrusts a guy into the game out of no where at the worst possible time on one of the best shooters in the NBA.

Yep it's all Hairston's fault the Spurs almost lost. It's all his fault Amare scored 40 points just like it was all hia fault that Spurs lost to the Rockets. Hairton is not the reason Spurs have been bad this seasn.

The logic and hate some are using here against him is uncalled for and stupid.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop's just putting him into situations, trying stuff, combos. The failure is on him. If he can't handle ball/man/score/situation now, how's he going to do it in the playoffs?

It would make sense if he had minutes EARLIER in the game..he's sitting on the bench all game and isn't in a rhythm, but Pop puts him in at that point with those circumstances?..ridiculous coaching..

It really looks like he's putting him in a position to fail, even though it sounds strange..

[Chomag]

Pop's just putting him into situations, trying stuff, combos. The failure is on him. If he can't handle ball/man/score/situation now, how's he going to do it in the playoffs?

Funny that Manu was looking really terrible early season but he was allowed to play himself into the rhythm he is in now and he gets a free pass.

However your all on Hairston for the very, VERY little time he has gotten

[Obstructed_View]

Some people are underestimating how stupid of a decision Pop made by putting Hairston in the game at that point..

-He's played 1 actual game all year..
-He hadn't played all game..
-It's a pressure situation that he's never been in..
-He has to cover Steve fucking Nash..

What kind of idiot coach does that?..

If Extatic's any indication, then the move was a love note to all the Popsuckers so they have some evidence of why Malik Hairston is a horrible player that shouldn't be getting minutes over Keith Bogans and Michael Finley.

[Warlord23]

Pop's just putting him into situations, trying stuff, combos. The failure is on him. If he can't handle ball/man/score/situation now, how's he going to do it in the playoffs?

Going by that logic, Pop's put Bogans into many more "ball/man/score/situations" and Bogans hasn't done shit. How's he going to do it in the playoffs?

[DPG21920]

You are being incredibly dense lately. That was as much of Tim's fault as Malik's. Tim should sent. What about Amare going for 40? Who sits for that? Or who sits for the Rockets having 3 guys go for 30+?

LMFAO at you saying something like that when he thrusts a guy into the game out of no where at the worst possible time on one of the best shooters in the NBA.


Pop's just putting him into situations, trying stuff, combos. The failure is on him. If he can't handle ball/man/score/situation now, how's he going to do it in the playoffs?

Can you answer my question? What are the other guys going to do in the playoffs? What is Tim going to do if he does not step out further on Nash?

If Pop gives the guy time to get into the game and acclimated, then you can judge.

[FeZZy]

as long as he goes over the screens when your up 4 with a minute left to one of the most cluth players in the game

[Chomag]

If Extatic's any indication, then the move was a love note to all the Popsuckers so they have some evidence of why Malik Hairston is a horrible player that shouldn't be getting minutes over Keith Bogans and Michael Finley.

Exactly... The hate the guy gets is lame, pretty stupid and undeserved. But since Pop hates to play hairston the Popsuckers do to.

[Obstructed_View]

I simply don't understand the glee some Spurs fans seem to get at any mistake a young player gets. I get no satisfaction out of watching Bogans and Mason continue to stink and hurt the team, nor do I get any satisfaction of watching tall guys rape the Spurs in the paint on both ends of the floor.

[exstatic]

It would make sense if he had minutes EARLIER in the game..he's sitting on the bench all game and isn't in a rhythm, but Pop puts him in at that point with those circumstances?..ridiculous coaching..

It really looks like he's putting him in a position to fail, even though it sounds strange..

Fail. As a deep bench player, you have to be ready. This isn't the first time he's been put in that situation.

If he can only come in for defense when he's been coddled, hand held, and played 20+ minutes in the game, he's useless to this team. Your floor outcome in limited minutes determines your further minutes on this team.

[HarlemHeat37]

BTW, if you check the game blog, I called Pop an idiot for putting Hairston in even before this play happened, so I'm not saying it as a reaction..it was obvious that something bad was going to happen if you had him covering Nash(even though Duncan deserves a large part of the blame too)..

[Warlord23]

Remember Popsuckers, the question is not about Hairston making mistakes in the 30 seconds he gets every other game. The question is about Bogans being an epic failure after starting 30+ games, and still getting minutes. Why is Pop doing that?

Put yourself in Pop's shoes (you'll have to get out of his jock first) and answer that.

[DPG21920]

Fail. As a deep bench player, you have to be ready. This isn't the first time he's been put in that situation.

If he can only come in for defense when he's been coddled, hand held, and played 20+ minutes in the game, he's useless to this team. Your floor outcome in limited minutes determines your further minutes on this team.

This logic is fail. You obviously never played sports.

[HarlemHeat37]

Fail. As a deep bench player, you have to be ready. This isn't the first time he's been put in that situation.

If he can only come in for defense when he's been coddled, hand held, and played 20+ minutes in the game, he's useless to this team. Your floor outcome in limited minutes determines your further minutes on this team.

So why couldn't he get any minutes after having a good game vs. Houston and dominating Kevin Martin on defense?..

Sure, a deep bench player should be ready, but not when he hasn't played all year..NO coach in the NBA would be stupid enough to put in a guy like Hairston under those circumstances..it's unbelievably bad coaching..

[exstatic]

I simply don't understand the glee some Spurs fans seem to get at any mistake a young player gets. I get no satisfaction out of watching Bogans and Mason continue to stink and hurt the team, nor do I get any satisfaction of watching tall guys rape the Spurs in the paint on both ends of the floor.

I don't want to see Malik fail, but I won't sugarcoat it when he does.

That was a horrible play. I don't expect a shot block or tip. What I'm looking for is a contest, a hand in the face. Maybe Nash makes it anyway. Good for him. If you do that EVERY TIME, though, he'll miss more than if you just go under the pick and get pinned.

[DPG21920]

Fail. As a deep bench player, you have to be ready. This isn't the first time he's been put in that situation.

If he can only come in for defense when he's been coddled, hand held, and played 20+ minutes in the game, he's useless to this team. Your floor outcome in limited minutes determines your further minutes on this team.

So Bogans should never play. Who sits for allowing Amare to go for 40? Who sits for allowing 3 Rockets to go for 30+?

[DPG21920]

I don't want to see Malik fail, but I won't sugarcoat it when he does.

That was a horrible play. I don't expect a shot block or tip. What I'm looking for is a contest, a hand in the face. Maybe Nash makes it anyway. Good for him. If you do that EVERY TIME, though, he'll miss more than if you just go under the pick and get pinned.

So you are mad at Tim? It was just as much his fault.

[Warlord23]

Fail. As a deep bench player, you have to be ready. This isn't the first time he's been put in that situation.

If he can only come in for defense when he's been coddled, hand held, and played 20+ minutes in the game, he's useless to this team. Your floor outcome in limited minutes determines your further minutes on this team.

LOL at you not being able to explain how Bogans is useless to this team even after being coddled and hand held, but still starting and getting minutes

[Chomag]

Fail. As a deep bench player, you have to be ready. This isn't the first time he's been put in that situation.

If he can only come in for defense when he's been coddled, hand held, and played 20+ minutes in the game, he's useless to this team. Your floor outcome in limited minutes determines your further minutes on this team.

Thats just it, you dont throw an end of the bench player who has no minutes and has only played 1 game in the season at the end with the game on the line like that.Thats just doing everything in your power to try to get the man to fail so you can say you were right. Name a team that has done this!

[exstatic]

So why couldn't he get any minutes after having a good game vs. Houston and dominating Kevin Martin on defense?..

Sure, a deep bench player should be ready, but not when he hasn't played all year..NO coach in the NBA would be stupid enough to put in a guy like Hairston under those circumstances..it's unbelievably bad coaching..

The time when there is no one there to feel sorry for you or to cheer for you is when a player is made.

[Chomag]

So you are mad at Tim? It was just as much his fault.

Yep, from what it looked like it was more a Team defencive mistake not just Hairstons or Tims individual mistake in general. They both could have done better on that play. However Popologist will use this anyway they can to try to make Pop look like a guinness.

[Warlord23]

The time when there is no one there to feel sorry for you or to cheer for you is when a player is made.

You're a joke. Posting clever quotes doesn't mask the fact that you haven't answered the key question:

Why is Pop starting Bogans when Bogans hasn't done shit?
Why is Hairston's play (in 1 minute) enough to justify benching him, but Bogans' play (in 11 minutes as a starter) not enough to bench him?

[Chomag]

So why couldn't he get any minutes after having a good game vs. Houston and dominating Kevin Martin on defense?..

Sure, a deep bench player should be ready, but not when he hasn't played all year..NO coach in the NBA would be stupid enough to put in a guy like Hairston under those circumstances..it's unbelievably bad coaching..

Exactly.

[anakha]

Sorry to interrupt this latest session of 'As the Pop turns', but I do have to question the logic some posters are using in this thread.

I have no problem questioning putting a cold shooter onto the court for crunchtime (see Dunleavy and Steve Novak), but does that neccessarily apply to subbing in a guy who's asked to defend? Is defense really as dependent on minutes and 'getting into the flow of a game' as shooting?

[HarlemHeat37]

You're a joke. Posting clever quotes doesn't mask the fact that you haven't answered the key question:

Why is Pop starting Bogans when Bogans hasn't done shit?
Why is Hairston's play (in 1 minute) enough to justify benching him, but Bogans' play (in 11 minutes as a starter) not enough to bench him?

Bogans' getting 11 minutes is a rare sight too, he's been sucking for more time on the floor in past games..

Also, why is Hairston's good play from the Rockets game not enough to get him minutes?..

[HarlemHeat37]

Sorry to interrupt this latest session of 'As the Pop turns', but I do have to question the logic some posters are using in this thread.

I have no problem questioning putting a cold shooter onto the court for crunchtime (see Dunleavy and Steve Novak), but does that neccessarily apply to subbing in a guy who's asked to defend? Is defense really as dependent on minutes and 'getting into the flow of a game' as shooting?

No, usually it isn't..

These aren't the same circumstances though..you don't think it's strange putting in a guy that has played ONE GAME all year and have him guard Steve Nash in the 1st pressure situation of his career?..

[DPG21920]

Sorry to interrupt this latest session of 'As the Pop turns', but I do have to question the logic some posters are using in this thread.

I have no problem questioning putting a cold shooter onto the court for crunchtime (see Dunleavy and Steve Novak), but does that neccessarily apply to subbing in a guy who's asked to defend? Is defense really as dependent on minutes and 'getting into the flow of a game' as shooting?

As a coach, your job is to put players in a situation to succeed. If you put them in that type of situation and they fail, that is on them.

What Pop did to Malik is not that. Putting RJ on Amare is not that. If Malik was good enough defensively to guard Nash on that possession, why was that the only time he got?

You don't do that to young players who you know will be somewhat understandably nervous.

[Warlord23]

Bogans' getting 11 minutes is a rare sight too, he's been sucking for more time on the floor in past games..

Also, why is Hairston's good play from the Rockets game not enough to get him minutes?..

Exactly.

Hairston has 1 good game against Houston, and 1 bad minute of play against Phoenix = Pop is right in benching him.

OTOH, Bogans has bad game after bad game, but no Popsucker will question their hero giving him regular minutes

[200 miles]

Why do you keep sucking his dick? If you people are whining about his PT in multiple threads, expect responses.

This is only Malik's second season. It is natural for him to make mistakes and he will play better and correct those mistakes. Why? Because he has great upside, unlike Bogans and Mason who make the same mistakes but unfortunately have already hit their ceiling. I expect somebody of your expertise to already know this. Also your graphic comment means you know I am right.

[anakha]

As a coach, your job is to put players in a situation to succeed. If you put them in that type of situation and they fail, that is on them.

What Pop did to Malik is not that. Putting RJ on Amare is not that. If Malik was good enough defensively to guard Nash on that possession, why was that the only time he got?


I may be wrong on this one, but I recall Hill starting out on Nash on the out of bounds play and Hairston ending up on Nash due to switching. Hence my confusion at all the attention Hairston's getting for this one play.

I'll agree with Jefferson on Amare being a bit of a head-scratcher, though.

[ace3g]

I'd rather take 8pts, 5 boards, 1blk/steal from Hairston in 17 minutes (something he could reasonably average with how he attacks the basket and rebounds) then Bogans who rarely scores over 9 pts, has too many 0 pt nights as a starter, shoots too many 3's when he can't hit them instead of attacking the basket with starter type minutes

Now tell me who would be better, and again Hairston hustles much more (look at the save in the Houston game) and can rebound/jump higher then Bogans.

Plus Hairston has a better chance of getting a player/players into foul trouble with his driving ability, something Bogans can't.

[DPG21920]

I may be wrong on this one, but I recall Hill starting out on Nash on the out of bounds play and Hairston ending up on Nash due to switching. Hence my confusion at all the attention Hairston's getting for this one play.

I'll agree with Jefferson on Amare being a bit of a head-scratcher, though.

Doesn't matter who started out where though. Point is, why is Malik good enough to be in there during that part of the game and no other?

[Warlord23]

I'd rather take 8pts, 5 boards, 1blk/steal from Hairston in 17 minutes (something he could reasonably average with how he attacks the basket and rebounds) then Bogans who rarely scores over 9 pts, has too many 0 pt nights as a starter, shoots too many 3's when he can't hit them instead of attacking the basket with starter type minutes

Now tell me who would be better, and again Hairston hustles much more (look at the save in the Houston game) and can rebound/jump higher then Bogans.

Plus Hairston has a better chance of getting a player/players into foul trouble with his driving ability, something Bogans can't.

But Hairston made a boo-boo in 45 seconds of play today, while Bogans hasn't put a foot wrong in the last 10 games. Every brick and every turnover by Bogans has high-IQ written all over it.

[itzsoweezee]

i don't see what mistake you guys are claiming hairston

[exstatic]

Sorry to interrupt this latest session of 'As the Pop turns', but I do have to question the logic some posters are using in this thread.

I have no problem questioning putting a cold shooter onto the court for crunchtime (see Dunleavy and Steve Novak), but does that neccessarily apply to subbing in a guy who's asked to defend? Is defense really as dependent on minutes and 'getting into the flow of a game' as shooting?

Don't confuse them with clever facts like that.

[HarlemHeat37]

It might have been a mistake..

the worst part about exstatic's post isn't that he believes Hairston made a mistake and justified that Pop put him on..the worst part is that he said "that's why Hairston doesn't play", which is absolutely ridiculous..

Not only does every player on our team make mistakes, but guys like Bogans/Mason/Finley/Bonner/McDyess/Jefferson/Blair are constantly making mistakes every game on a regular basis..

[exstatic]

You're a joke. Posting clever quotes doesn't mask the fact that you haven't answered the key question:

Why is Pop starting Bogans when Bogans hasn't done shit?
Why is Hairston's play (in 1 minute) enough to justify benching him, but Bogans' play (in 11 minutes as a starter) not enough to bench him?

That's all the answer you're getting. If it's good enough for the author of the quote, it's good enough for me.

[exstatic]

It might have been a mistake..

the worst part about exstatic's post isn't that he believes Hairston made a mistake and justified that Pop put him on..the worst part is that he said "that's why Hairston doesn't play", which is absolutely ridiculous..

Not only does every player on our team make mistakes, but guys like Bogans/Mason/Finley/Bonner/McDyess/Jefferson/Blair are constantly making mistakes every game on a regular basis..

:lol Malik would be very happy to have someone like you to spray perfume all over his shit. The fact is, mistakes late in the game can cost you that game. They're magnified. That's why they call it "crunch time".

This was a play out of a time out. You can bet YOUR ASS that Pop gave instructions to go over all picks outside or near the 3 point arc. I don't think he likes have his instructions ignored.

[DPG21920]

:lol Malik would be very happy to have someone like you to spray perfume all over his shit. The fact is, mistakes late in the game can cost you that game. They're magnified. That's why they call it "crunch time".

This was a play out of a time out. You can bet YOUR ASS that Pop gave instructions to go over all picks outside or near the 3 point arc. I don't think he likes have his instructions ignored.

Did Pop give instructions before the Rockets game?

[taps]

The time when there is no one there to feel sorry for you or to cheer for you is when a player is made.

You're right nobody cheers for Keith Bogans

[objective]

Did Pop give instructions before the Rockets game?

Yes, he did, they were very precise.


"Keith, when you're in the corner and feeding Timmy in the post, hope for the turnover. And then when you and Kevin Martin are side by side and possession goes to the Rockets, make sure that Martin easily outruns you in transition. Be sure to point for someone to pick him up even though there's nobody there while you're at least a quarter-court behind him and pull up slow while he gets the fastbreak layup. I'm counting on you, my beloved bulldog."

[exstatic]

You're right nobody cheers for Keith Bogans
That quote was a retard test. You passed with flying colors.

[taps]

That quote was a retard test. You passed with flying colors.

Keith Bogans: 10:59 0-3 0-2 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0

[HarlemHeat37]

After watching the replay, it wasn't a matter of making the wrong decision at all..

Nash crossed him over and Duncan wasn't there to help, inexplicably leaving Nash wide open when his own man(Amare) set a pick after Hairston was beat..

The highlights are up on NBA.com, check it out..

Hairston got crossed by Nash's hesitation move, that sucks, no shame in that..

[Spursfan 87]

Bogans should not even be in the NBA right now, but he is the starting SF for the spurs

[TJastal]

The time when there is no one there to feel sorry for you or to cheer for you is when a player is made.

and when Hairston fails and gets jeered and belittled by POop is when a player is not made.

[DPG21920]

Yup, it was Duncan's fault just as much as Malik's.

[Obstructed_View]

ummmm.....if that mistake is why Hairston doesn't play, then I just have one question: why was he playing?

[DPG21920]

ummmm.....if that mistake is why Hairston doesn't play, then I just have one question: why was he playing?

You just blew his mind.

[DesignatedT]

it was a tough shot either way. nash is the only one able to knock that garbage down. i have no problem with giving them that shot.

[Obstructed_View]

it was a tough shot either way. nash is the only one able to knock that garbage down. i have no problem with giving them that shot.

I have a problem backing off him. I don't see how you go under that screen in that situation, but I have hindsight in my favor. Duncan was really far off so staying up on Nash seems like the thing to do.

[ohmwrecker]

What's the argument? Duncan should have closed out on Nash when Hairston got picked. It's basketball 101. Case closed.

[MaNu4Tres]

Hairston is the better basketball player than Bogans/Mason and Finley. He may not be able to fill it up as consistently from the outside than those three but he beats them in every other category possible on both ends. (To be fair I'm willing to bet Hairston is as consistent from three than Bogans and Finley right now).

The reason why Pop doesn't play him is the same reason why some people within the Spurs are perplexed on how Pop doesn't give Mahinmi any opportunity.

Pop can be too stubborn with how high he holds the respect and loyalty aspect between him and the veterans, whether they get the job done or not ( Unfortunately this team is full of them at Hairston's position). He gives Bogans/ Mason/ Finley multiple chances to succeed and they all produce maybe 1 out of every 5 games in one area which is nothing to boast about.

It took Pop a year and a half to finally put Stephen Jackson in the rotation. That was only because Steve Smith was our immobile starting shooting guard to begin the 02/03 season. If we had 3 Steve Smiths that year I doubt Stephen Jackson helps us win the title in 03' just because of how stubborn Pop is about his veterans.

[silverblk mystix]

i am looking at this in a positive way...

a week or two ago hairston would have been in austin or in streetclothes behind the bench...

the fact that pop threw him out there at all...is a plus...i hope that pop was genuinely TRYING to give hairston some burn...so it is a good thing...so what that nash hit the shot...everyone else on the spurs has been abused with layups,dunks,etc...

be happy that hairston is a thought in pop's head now...

if hairston keeps working....he will have his day and he WILL prove to be a lot better than finley,bogans, and probably mason---hopefully before this season is over...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

ummmm.....if that mistake is why Hairston doesn't play, then I just have one question: why was he playing?

If that's the criteria, then:

1) why does Bogans continue to start?
2) why does Bonner get any floor time?

[Obstructed_View]

If that's the criteria, then:

1) why does Bogans continue to start?
2) why does Bonner get any floor time?

I agree with that, but if someone's going to suggest that Pop's been a genius for not playing Hairston all this time, then that person needs to think about the coach that put Hairston out there in crunch time when he needed a stop. When he's not going to the guy he describes as his "bulldog" or his "Bruce Bowen replacement" then the argument sort of goes out the window.

[ChumpDumper]

I agree with that, but if someone's going to suggest that Pop's been a genius for not playing Hairston all this time, then that person needs to think about the coach that put Hairston out there in crunch time when he needed a stop. When he's not going to the guy he describes as his "bulldog" or his "Bruce Bowen replacement" then the argument sort of goes out the window.Wasn't Bogans out there too?

I thought he was guarding the inbounds.

As for Hairston, it's nice he got the opportunity. He should get more.

[Obstructed_View]

Wasn't Bogans out there too?

I thought he was guarding the inbounds.

As for Hairston, it's nice he got the opportunity. He should get more.

Bogans was guarding the inbounds. On a semi-related note, Bogans showed more energy and effort guarding that inbounder than I've seen him show since the Denver game.

The point I was trying to make is that if someone is defending Pop's decision not to play Hairston all year, citing Hairston's bad play on that pick and roll, then that person is suggesting that Pop put a player he doesn't think can play on Steve Nash in a crunch time situation, which then doesn't make sense unless one goes completely around the bend and thinks Pop is intentionally trying to lose games.

[yavozerb]

Wasn't Bogans out there too?

I thought he was guarding the inbounds.

As for Hairston, it's nice he got the opportunity. He should get more.

The fact that pop over the last 2 games has played hairston on Nash and Martin indicates that maybe pop is starting to gain some confidence in hairston. As long Hairston keeps up the intensity on D he should get some PT..

[ChumpDumper]

Bogans was guarding the inbounds. I don't see the relevance.I don't expect you to.

Hairston doesn't play, people are pissed.

Hairston plays, people are pissed.

He played, I'm pleased. He'll play more.

[ChumpDumper]

I do like the conspiracy angle though. That's a new one. :tu

[Obstructed_View]

I don't expect you to.
Hairston doesn't play, you're pissed.

Hairston plays, you're pissed.

He played, I'm pleased. He'll play more.

Read my edit. Maybe it will be more clear. I know you jump in here at the end and only see half of what goes on and then make statements that you think make you look clever, but you're missing the boat even more than usual on this one. I'm not the least bit annoyed that Hairston played. I'd rather have him come in cold and defend Nash on the PnR than have Bogans on the floor in any capacity. I'm not sure where you ever even jumped to the conclusion that I of all people don't want Hairston to play. Seriously, do you even read my posts?

You should probably go back to the post where extatic said something to the effect of "He went under the pick. That's why he sucks and why Pop doesn't play him." and my subsequent attempts to point out the flaw in the logic.

[ChumpDumper]

Read my edit. Maybe it will be more clear. I know you jump in here at the end and only see half of what goes on and then make statements that you think make you look clever, but you're missing the boat even more than usual on this one. I'm not the least bit annoyed that Hairston played. I'd rather have him come in cold and defend that than have Bogans on the floor. I'm not sure where you ever even got the idea that I didn't want Hairston to play.

You should probably go back to the post where extatic said something to the effect of "He went under the pick. That's why he sucks and why Pop doesn't play him." and my subsequent attempts to point out the flaw in the logic.Read my edit. Maybe it will be more clear.

I read all that. Including the conspiracy theory.

Good stuff.

Doesn't change my mind one bit. I don't necessarily agree with ex either. Another flawed assumption.

[Obstructed_View]

Nah, I read all that. Including the conspiracy theory.

Good stuff.

Doesn't change my mind one bit.

Yeah, I didn't think you'd go back and read. It's okay, everyone else knows you're wrong so you don't have to bother.

And to what conspiracy theory do you refer?

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I didn't think you'd go back and read. It's okay, everyone else knows you're wrong so you don't have to bother.You sure are angry about not being angry.

Tough play for Malik.

[Obstructed_View]

You sure are angry about not being angry.

Tough play for Malik.

You sure do talk a lot for never saying anything.

And yeah I agree. He kind of got out on an island there. Not sure how anyone else would have handled it.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I didn't think you'd go back and read. It's okay, everyone else knows you're wrong so you don't have to bother.

And to what conspiracy theory do you refer?So you didn't read it.

Unsurprising.

I don't think you will go back and read it either.

[Sean Cagney]

I agree with that, but if someone's going to suggest that Pop's been a genius for not playing Hairston all this time, then that person needs to think about the coach that put Hairston out there in crunch time when he needed a stop. When he's not going to the guy he describes as his "bulldog" or his "Bruce Bowen replacement" then the argument sort of goes out the window.

He is worthless it's that simple man, period.......... Bogans is just all out horrible and should not get any time in a game sides a few minutes off the bench in games that are over :lol:lol

[ChumpDumper]

You sure do talk a lot for never saying anything.

And yeah I agree. He kind of got out on an island there. Not sure how anyone else would have handled it.So you agree with what I said after saying I never say anything.

Kinda left yourself out on an island there.

[Obstructed_View]

So you agree with what I said after saying I never say anything.

Kinda left yourself out on an island there.

So much for a peace offering.

[ChumpDumper]

So much for a peace offering.That was a peace offering? :lol

[timtonymanu]

none of wrote I said equals death d bag

Some Hodgkins would put him out of commission. a heart attack would retire him a car accident would slow him up. Him breaking his ass may cause him discomfort sitting on the bench, but then again Phil has a pimp my ride hoveround on the sidelines...

so maybe a stroke would slow him up enough to get him out of the spurs organization because jerks like him stay until they DO die....

lmao calling me a d bag when ur the one wishing bad things on pop. that being said, get a life.

[wildbill2u]

Pop obviously wanted the mobility, speed and pressure defense he thought he'd get from a lineup consisting of Tim and four smalls.

Can someone answer this question? Why put Hairston, a virtual rookie in Pop's estimation, on an MVP Nash?

Why not have Hairston do the jumping jack role on the inbounds passer that Bogans did?

Granted, Nash had been eating up our veteran defenders all night with the Pick and roll with Amare to perfection? So was the bright idea to put someone else on him at the end of the game as another experiment?

Why was Tony Parker on the bench?