Jefferson plays better with the young guys

[Buddy Holly]

I don't think I'm the only one that thought Jefferson looked better playing along side Hill, Ian, Malik and Dejuan.

[Sigz]

Jefferson plays better when he isn't on this team.

[5in10]

Because the youth tends to play at a faster pace, which beneits jeffersons game.

[Buddy Holly]

Because the youth still tends to play at a faster pace, which beneits jeffersons game.

Exactly.

[dbestpro]

15 points, 7 rebounds, 28 minutes 50% shooting. Not bad. Of course if you would rather play Finley or Bogans...........................

[dbestpro]

So, move Manu into the starting lineup and let RJ lead the young guns from off the bench.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't think I'm the only one that thought Jefferson looked better playing along side Hill, Ian, Malik and Dejuan.

Jefferson plays better when he's the focal point of the O. Sad it's taken Pop til' the end of February to stumble onto this.

[Ditty]

Jefferson plays better when he isn't on this team.

this forum better when u dont post

[Ice009]

So, move Manu into the starting lineup and let RJ lead the young guns from off the bench.

I posted it in the game thread.

RJ is a good player and tonight showed yet again that his game doesn't fit with Tim and Tony.

He also showed that he doesn't need Manu either to get going. He played a lot better with the young athletic players on the team.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Jefferson plays better when he's the focal point of the O. Sad it's taken Pop til' the end of February to stumble onto this.

Ex-fucking-actly.

You don't go from a rim-attacking decent jump shooting focal point of an offense to a total scrub that licks taint for nothing.

Say what you will about RJ but he always plays well when he's surrounded by scrubs and he's the focal point of the offense.


Jeeeeezus I'm tired of agreeing with AHF so much this season :bang

[pad300]

If he'd just quit shooting from the outside and GO TO THE BASKET, he'd be a FUCKLOAD better...Look at his shot chart tonight.
6 jumpers - 4 missed, 2 18ft'ers made. 6 Shots at the rim 4 made, 2 missed. He drew no fouls on his jumpshots... When driving he gave up 1 offensive foul, and drew 3 fouls (for 3/5 FT's...).
Go to the Basket you F'ing gutless Moron!

[L.I.T]

So, move Manu into the starting lineup and let RJ lead the young guns from off the bench.

I agree completely.

Using RJeff as the focal off the bench with the young guys, and let the second unit play a more up-tempo game. Hill/Hairston/RJeff/Blair/Mahinmi as the second unit. Use Bogans/Finley/Bonner as situational players.

My only concern is Manu in the starting lineup at either SF (if you start Mason at SG)...he may get beat up to much on the defensive end.

[G-Dawgg]

Ex-fucking-actly.

You don't go from a rim-attacking decent jump shooting focal point of an offense to a total scrub that licks taint for nothing.

Say what you will about RJ but he always plays well when he's surrounded by scrubs and he's the focal point of the offense.


Jeeeeezus I'm tired of agreeing with AHF so much this season :bang

Yeah when he's playing with scrubs, he actually gets to be part of the offense and actually TOUCH the ball.

[Ice009]

Unless you want to try something radical

Tim
Ian
Hairston
Manu
TP

Hill
RJ
Blair
McDyess
Mason Jr.


This is what I posted in the Game Blog. Even if you don't like my rotations I think these are still the only 10 players that should be in the rotation.

No Finley, Bogans or Bonner on my team. There is no reason to play these guys. They have no potential and they won't help us now or later so why is Pop even playing them? Complete waste of time.

[Ice009]

Unless you want to try something radical

Tim
Ian
Hairston
Manu
TP

Hill
RJ
Blair
McDyess
Mason Jr.


This is what I posted in the Game Blog. Even if you don't like my rotations I think these are still the only 10 players that should be in the rotation.

No Finley, Bogans or Bonner on my team. There is no reason to play these guys. They have no potential and they won't help us now or later so why is Pop even playing them? Complete waste of time.

[easy7]

Jefferson can dunk the ball, make it land on his head after the dunk and walk with it on his head for 1/4 of the court...enough said. :hat

[5in10]

The youngs guys making a come really proves that this league is
becoming a young guys league, and in order to compete you need youth/athletcism to match that of other teams. Hairston needs pt. And I'm willing to
see mahimi eat bonnets minutes.

[crc21209]

If Pop used RJ off the bench with Manu, Blair, Mahinmi, and Mason while the starters would be TP, Hill, Hairston, Duncan, and Dice, this team would be a BEAST.

[gospursgojas]

So, move Manu into the starting lineup and let RJ lead the young guns from off the bench.

+1 billion 9 hundred and 52.

[poop]

Exactly.

exactly x2.

for maybe the first time all season he looked natural out there playing with the young guys...with that lineup i could see him making good contributions.

[all_heart]

So, move Manu into the starting lineup and let RJ lead the young guns from off the bench.

Nice idea and why not? It could become RJs calling. What's the worst that could happen.. seriously??

[ElNono]

So, move Manu into the starting lineup and let RJ lead the young guns from off the bench.

And bench Finley? Are you nuts? :lol

[Flux451]

If I had my choice of lineups

TP
Manu
Hairston
Blair
TD

bench

Hill
Mason
Jefferson
Dice
Mahimi


I think keeping Manu and Blair together is a ideal by now.

[TJastal]

If I had my choice of lineups

TP
Manu
Hairston
Blair
TD

bench

Hill
Mason
Jefferson
Dice
Mahimi


I think keeping Manu and Blair together is a ideal by now.

Virtually anything that keeps the BFB trio off the court would be a big improvement.

[pjjrfan]

My honest opinion is that Jefferson was the weak link on that final group that almost saved the game. He made a turnover that killed momentum took an ill advised 3 did rebound well,, but handled the ball way to much and when Blair fouled out the Rockets started scoring again. I do agree that Jefferson was better when he attacked the rim.

[ploto]

It's also easier to play when you have nothing to lose.

[8FOR!3]

So, move Manu into the starting lineup and let RJ lead the young guns from off the bench.

I agree to an exent.

George Hill
Manu Ginobili
Malik Hairston
Antonio McDyess
Tim Duncan

Bench:
Richard Jefferson
DeJuan Blair
Ian Mahinmi
Roger Mason

When TP is healthy he can start and Hill can play first off the bench.

[silverblackfan]

If Pop used RJ off the bench with Manu, Blair, Mahinmi, and Mason while the starters would be TP, Hill, Hairston, Duncan, and Dice, this team would be a BEAST.

Yeah, that is the line ups I would I like to see. Hell, we have seen 20 others, why not one more. Use Bonner and Bogans if the youngs get in foul trouble. (and they will.)

[Obstructed_View]

I think keeping Manu and Blair together is a ideal by now.

I agree, and I think Duncan and Blair play well together, which is why I'd take a chance putting Blair at the 3 if there's someone bigger than he is playing center.

[Obstructed_View]

It's also easier to play when you have nothing to lose.

The Spurs were a popular pick to challenge the Lakers in the west and now they're struggling to maintain a playoff position. I assure you that they have a lot to lose at this point.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Ex-fucking-actly.

You don't go from a rim-attacking decent jump shooting focal point of an offense to a total scrub that licks taint for nothing.

Say what you will about RJ but he always plays well when he's surrounded by scrubs and he's the focal point of the offense.


Jeeeeezus I'm tired of agreeing with AHF so much this season :bang

LOL, thanks... really, it's not that bad to agree with me...


In all seriousness though, I said this back in December when he was slumping then. If you want to fix RJ, you need to get him like 20 touches a game. Whether that's with the starters or as part of the second unit, doesn't matter.

But it was idiotic (of course, that's the trend for Pop this year) to go grab a guy like him, stick him in the corner to shoot threes as some sort of Bowen replacement, and expecting him to be anything better than marginal for us.

Between that and asking him to get the crap kicked out of him playing PF against real power forwards, Pop has certainly done his best to set the guy up to fail all year.

Unfortunately, my guess is Pop is too stubborn to continue this rotation.

If I were him, this would be the rotation:

Parker
Hill
Hairston
Duncan
Dice

with a second unit of

Hill
Manu
RJ
Blair
Ian

with Mason, Finley, and Bonner playing spot minutes if we just can't hit a shot to save our lives.

[The Truth #6]

I posted it in the game thread.

RJ is a good player and tonight showed yet again that his game doesn't fit with Tim and Tony.

He also showed that he doesn't need Manu either to get going. He played a lot better with the young athletic players on the team.

I agree. I would add that because only our slow jumpshooters play well with Tim and Tony, the team is doomed to be inconsistent. Basically we have no identity as a whole. I'm not sure if our pieces can fit. Given that Tim is the focus Id trade Parker as soon as we can in the offseason before his value drops with injuries and NT commitment. Also he's the only player with any value. Otherwise we continue as dysfunctional split personality mess.

[oh crap]

Jefferson plays better with young guys

I lol'd

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

definitely agree

[angelbelow]

definitely obvious. he has the ball more, hes practically the main option when this happens. I say play him more in these types of situations.

[ohmwrecker]

I agree on some points, I just don't think I would go with both Hairston and Mahinmi as starters. Hairston would get eaten alive by most NBA starters. He should definitely get PT over Bogans & Finley and I think he could do well against 2nd unit guys.
I would be willing to give Ian a shot as a starter just for the psychological advantage of having two seven footers in the paint. Even if he only played 15 minutes before he fouled out, I would be happy with 6 points, 6 boards, & 6 fouls from him.
The problem with Jefferson is how he is being used and not who he is playing with. He just needs more touches & plays that are specifically designed for him to either score or get someone else a score. The offense in general just needs more movement.
I think that the Spurs should just start their best players from now until the end of the season and see how that works. This team cannot recover from bad starts, no matter how well the bench plays. I would go with:
Tony
Manu
RJ
Tim
Ian
Hill
RMJ
Malik
Blair
Dice

Use Bonner & Bogans sparingly and put Finley out to pasture.

[PDXSpursFan]

so, move manu into the starting lineup and let rj lead the young guns from off the bench.

+1

[ploto]

The Spurs were a popular pick to challenge the Lakers in the west and now they're struggling to maintain a playoff position. I assure you that they have a lot to lose at this point.

I was talking about the game with Houston, and Jefferson's play. In the second half, those guys had nothing to lose, so it was easier to play loose.