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NuGGeTs-FaN
02-28-2010, 03:21 AM
Highest FG Percentage on Go-Ahead Shots in Final 10 Seconds of Fourth Quarter/OT

While his performance this year has been admirable, data from previous seasons shows that Kobe Bryant's reputation as the best late-game closer in the NBA may be undeserved. While he's certainly made the most shots in these situations, he's also taken many more of these shots than anyone else in the league over the past 10 years.

Category FG-FGA Pct.
Carmelo Anthony 11-21 52.4
Ray Allen 12-29 41.4
Tony Parker 9-22 40.9
Chris Paul 8-21 38.1
Tim Duncan 8-23 34.8
Jason Terry 7-21 33.3
Kobe Bryant 19-58 32.8

TJastal
02-28-2010, 06:48 AM
Kobe Bryant 19-58 32.8%

:lmao

how pathetic

I-Ball
02-28-2010, 07:03 AM
source?

Allanon
02-28-2010, 10:44 AM
When it comes to winning, quantity is greater than quality.

XFactor
02-28-2010, 10:56 AM
When it comes to winning, quantity is greater than quality.

The real question is, if you give those other players 58 attempts at being clutch can they do better than 32.8%

Allanon
02-28-2010, 10:58 AM
The real question is, if you give those other players 58 attempts at being clutch can they do better than 32.8%

It's actually not about percentages at all in my opinion.

It is about winning games. For instance, Kobe has won 6 games this year with his game winning shots. He may have taken x amount of shots but he's won 6.

In contrast, how many games has Melo won with his 50%+ efficiency?

Quantity is much greater than quality when it comes to winning, there are no style points.

XFactor
02-28-2010, 12:04 PM
It's actually not about percentages at all in my opinion.

It is about winning games. For instance, Kobe has won 6 games this year with his game winning shots. He may have taken x amount of shots but he's won 6.

In contrast, how many games has Melo won with his 50%+ efficiency?

Quantity is much greater than quality when it comes to winning, there are no style points.

Again, if the other players had 58 attempts they'd win more games than Kobe did with his 58 attempts.

BRHornet45
02-28-2010, 12:06 PM
sons I'm shocked Kobe is even in the 30's ... I figured his percentage would be around 10-15%

TheMACHINE
02-28-2010, 12:14 PM
dont matter to me..these stats are based in 10 seconds or less...how bout shots made with the last minute of the game? How bout shots made in the last 2 mins of a close game? Meaningless stats.

DPG21920
02-28-2010, 12:17 PM
dont matter to me..these stats are based in 10 seconds or less...how bout shots made with the last minute of the game? How bout shots made in the last 2 mins of a close game? Meaningless stats.

Please explain why shots in the last minute are more meaningful? Or are you saying stats are meaningless in general?

Phillip
02-28-2010, 12:37 PM
what this stat really shows is how shitty of a leader that Kobe is, because he cant consistently keep his team focused for a full game, or that he cant keep his team from being in these situations.

krofl

BUMP
02-28-2010, 12:48 PM
One thing these stats show is that

1. Kobe is the least scared to take the last shot

2. He has done it the most times as well

Yes, he may not have the highest percentage, but he has delivered the most times. I mean seriously, Jason Terry has a higher percentage but would you rather have him taking the last shot than Kobe?

lefty
02-28-2010, 12:52 PM
Those stats are meaningless to me

In a close game, I would give the ball to Kobe, over Melo, Paul, Parker ,etc.....

DPG21920
02-28-2010, 12:53 PM
There is so many ways you have to look at.

lefty
02-28-2010, 12:54 PM
There is so many ways you have to look at.
+1

And I take achievements over stats

Kobe has made more GW shots than the other dudes combined

BlackSwordsMan
02-28-2010, 12:57 PM
duncan and parker more clutch than kobe. =]

TheMACHINE
02-28-2010, 01:00 PM
Please explain why shots in the last minute are more meaningful? Or are you saying stats are meaningless in general?

im saying that you can skew stats anyway you want it to prove a point. Yes his percentage is low, but he is the guy they gave it too 77 times. That in itself means something.

Bump said it best...you really rather give the shot to Jason Terry then Kobe?

Donkeybong
02-28-2010, 01:02 PM
good to see knowledgeable fans not taking this for face value.

monosylab1k
02-28-2010, 01:17 PM
Yeah those stats are stupid.

Kobe takes alot and he makes alot. Part of that is because for much of this decade he's had a horrible supporting cast. His percentage isn't great because everybody on the opposing team knows it's going to him. Even so, tbh I'd rather take Kobe going 1 vs 5 than give Vujacic an open look.

Carmelo is clutch too, but I'd still want Kobe taking the final shot over most any of the other guys on that list.

I was actually shocked to see Chris Paul had taken so many of those shots, but then I remembered that Jannero Pargo hasn't been around the past few years.

DPG21920
02-28-2010, 01:23 PM
It's also crazy to see TP and Duncan on that list.

JamStone
02-28-2010, 01:42 PM
Before this year, Kobe's clutch shooting hasn't been all that great, but many of the clutch shots he had made before this season were very memorable. Part of what brings Kobe's clutch shooting down especially in previous seasons was the fact that he didn't trust teammates and he would make an extra pass even if the play called for it. I would bet money on the fact that Kobe would by far have the most clutch shot attempts against double and triple teams and the most fading away from those doubles and triples, heck sometimes with all five guys on defense focused on him. Kobe isn't scared to fail. This season, Kobe has been phenomenal in late game clutch situations. But this season hasn't been any different in terms of his confidence and his approach to those situations. He's always wanted the basketball in clutch situations. Not until the last couple seasons since the threepeat run has Kobe been also willing to make the right play in those situations.

I would bet many of those other guys with better clutch shooting primarily shoot fairly open shots or shooting against one-on-one man defense or drives to the basket.

You can hate on Kobe for a lot of things. I think it's pretty stupid to call him out when it comes to being clutch though.

Allanon
02-28-2010, 01:47 PM
Again, if the other players had 58 attempts they'd win more games than Kobe did with his 58 attempts.

What are you saying? You're trying to give other players 58 attempts?

That's like me saying if Jordan had 6 less Finals appearances, he'd have 6 less rings.

There's a reason why great players are in a position to win. You can't just "give" opportunities to do something great. :lol

TheMACHINE
02-28-2010, 01:56 PM
If Sasha Vujacic made 2 out of 4 clutch shots, would he be more clutch then Kobe? I guess XFactor would give Sasha the go ahead shot if his life depended on it.

DPG21920
02-28-2010, 02:14 PM
Kobe dresses like a pimp. This is a big game for the Lakers coming up. Might need Kobe's clutchness to avoid Denver really putting it on them so far this regular season.

TinTin
02-28-2010, 02:45 PM
nuggets fan did you go look this up when they were having the pregame talk on espn

kamikazi_player
02-28-2010, 02:54 PM
One thing these stats show is that

1. Kobe is the least scared to take the last shot

2. He has done it the most times as well

Yes, he may not have the highest percentage, but he has delivered the most times. I mean seriously, Jason Terry has a higher percentage but would you rather have him taking the last shot than Kobe?
:clap I agree 100%. We should have a statistic of the last two minutes of the game and the fourth quarter in general. This will give us a better view of clutch players.

NuGGeTs-FaN
02-28-2010, 03:33 PM
nuggets fan did you go look this up when they were having the pregame talk on espn

nah, just saw it on the ESPN website in the Sunday Dime

It had a little subsection with what i posted

Killakobe81
02-28-2010, 07:34 PM
Before this year, Kobe's clutch shooting hasn't been all that great, but many of the clutch shots he had made before this season were very memorable. Part of what brings Kobe's clutch shooting down especially in previous seasons was the fact that he didn't trust teammates and he would make an extra pass even if the play called for it. I would bet money on the fact that Kobe would by far have the most clutch shot attempts against double and triple teams and the most fading away from those doubles and triples, heck sometimes with all five guys on defense focused on him. Kobe isn't scared to fail. This season, Kobe has been phenomenal in late game clutch situations. But this season hasn't been any different in terms of his confidence and his approach to those situations. He's always wanted the basketball in clutch situations. Not until the last couple seasons since the threepeat run has Kobe been also willing to make the right play in those situations.

I would bet many of those other guys with better clutch shooting primarily shoot fairly open shots or shooting against one-on-one man defense or drives to the basket.

You can hate on Kobe for a lot of things. I think it's pretty stupid to call him out when it comes to being clutch though.

What he said ...
Kobe is like any hreat player Jeter, Brady no one is clutch everytime but if there is ONE guy you DON'T want taking that shot against your team late it's Kobe ...this seasons resume 6 of 10 or whatever i 'll take that ...

Blake
03-01-2010, 12:30 AM
where is dirk on that list?

why is turtle jet on the list instead?

himat
03-01-2010, 12:43 AM
Kobe haters want to find anything to reduce his impact on the game.

Yes he misses some, but like many people have mentioned its that fearlessness to make mistakes that makes him so much greater than other players in the game.

5 seconds to go...no one else in this game (right now) who I would give the ball to for the game.

sabar
03-01-2010, 03:03 AM
Missing 2 of 3 in clutch situations doesn't seem correct. Where is this from?

82games has a better definition of clutch. Less than 5 mins left and game within 5 points.


Production per 48 Minutes of Clutch Time
Team Player Gm (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT1.HTM) Min (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT2.HTM) +/- (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT3.HTM) +/- (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT4.HTM) Fga (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT5.HTM) Fg% (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT6.HTM) 3pA (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT7.HTM) 3p% (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT8.HTM) Fta (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT9.HTM) Ft% (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT10.HTM) Pts (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM) Ast'd (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT12.HTM) Reb (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT13.HTM) Ast (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT14.HTM) T/o (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT15.HTM) Blk (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT16.HTM) Stl (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT17.HTM)
LAL Bryant 41 142 100 +34 39.1 .457 10.1 .400 18.2 92% 56.7 15% 8.4 5.7 3.0 0.0 1.0
CLE James 31 111 103 +45 31.2 .556 8.2 .421 20.8 85% 55.9 20% 14.3 12.6 4.8 1.7 3.5
DEN Anthony 24 82 16 +9 26.9 .565 7.0 .583 24.0 82% 54.4 57% 7.6 2.9 1.2 0.0 1.2
MIA Wade 45 194 10 +2 32.7 .470 7.9 .281 22.3 73% 49.2 12% 5.4 9.4 4.2 4.9 3.0
NOH Paul 44 146 28 +9 28.7 .494 2.6 .375 17.5 90% 45.1 9% 6.3 10.5 4.6 0.3 4.3
NYK Robinson 36 112 -46 -20 28.7 .433 10.7 .200 18.4 95% 44.6 31% 5.1 3.4 2.1 0.0 0.4
POR Roy 39 170 -5 -1 27.9 .475 4.5 .188 16.1 91% 42.0 10% 7.9 6.2 2.5 0.8 1.7
DAL Nowitzki 43 156 53 +16 31.1 .406 7.1 .304 16.0 84% 40.9 41% 11.4 2.2 1.5 1.5 0.6
BOS Pierce 44 187 51 +13 23.4 .451 3.9 .467 19.0 85% 39.1 26% 5.9 6.2 4.1 0.0 1.3
LAC Randolph 17 93 7 +4 22.3 .605 3.1 .333 11.9 86% 38.3 42% 11.9 3.1 3.6 1.0 0.0
SAS Parker 41 208 47 +11 27.9 .512 2.1 .222 11.1 72% 37.1 25% 4.8 5.8 2.3 0.0 1.2
DAL Terry 39 129 48 +18 21.6 .552 5.6 .467 11.5 90% 36.9 43% 6.0 2.6 1.5 0.0 1.1Kobe shoots a good percentage (46%) and scores the most points. Honestly, it's pretty close throughout the league. Most teams have someone that shoots 44-50% with the game on the line. Statistically Lebron or Melo are the best, but you need the whole picture to choose. Kobe is great at drawing fouls down the stretch and he makes them at a very high clip (92%). He has a lot of game winners too. Lebron has a lot of turnovers and melo/bron clank more FTs than Kobe in the clutch.

Don't really need numbers to tell you to give it to kobe though, just watch the games.

rhyputa
03-01-2010, 09:49 AM
Missing 2 of 3 in clutch situations doesn't seem correct. Where is this from?

82games has a better definition of clutch. Less than 5 mins left and game within 5 points.


Production per 48 Minutes of Clutch Time
Team Player Gm (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT1.HTM) Min (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT2.HTM) +/- (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT3.HTM) +/- (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT4.HTM) Fga (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT5.HTM) Fg% (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT6.HTM) 3pA (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT7.HTM) 3p% (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT8.HTM) Fta (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT9.HTM) Ft% (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT10.HTM) Pts (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM) Ast'd (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT12.HTM) Reb (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT13.HTM) Ast (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT14.HTM) T/o (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT15.HTM) Blk (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT16.HTM) Stl (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT17.HTM)
LAL Bryant 41 142 100 +34 39.1 .457 10.1 .400 18.2 92% 56.7 15% 8.4 5.7 3.0 0.0 1.0
CLE James 31 111 103 +45 31.2 .556 8.2 .421 20.8 85% 55.9 20% 14.3 12.6 4.8 1.7 3.5
DEN Anthony 24 82 16 +9 26.9 .565 7.0 .583 24.0 82% 54.4 57% 7.6 2.9 1.2 0.0 1.2
MIA Wade 45 194 10 +2 32.7 .470 7.9 .281 22.3 73% 49.2 12% 5.4 9.4 4.2 4.9 3.0
NOH Paul 44 146 28 +9 28.7 .494 2.6 .375 17.5 90% 45.1 9% 6.3 10.5 4.6 0.3 4.3
NYK Robinson 36 112 -46 -20 28.7 .433 10.7 .200 18.4 95% 44.6 31% 5.1 3.4 2.1 0.0 0.4
POR Roy 39 170 -5 -1 27.9 .475 4.5 .188 16.1 91% 42.0 10% 7.9 6.2 2.5 0.8 1.7
DAL Nowitzki 43 156 53 +16 31.1 .406 7.1 .304 16.0 84% 40.9 41% 11.4 2.2 1.5 1.5 0.6
BOS Pierce 44 187 51 +13 23.4 .451 3.9 .467 19.0 85% 39.1 26% 5.9 6.2 4.1 0.0 1.3
LAC Randolph 17 93 7 +4 22.3 .605 3.1 .333 11.9 86% 38.3 42% 11.9 3.1 3.6 1.0 0.0
SAS Parker 41 208 47 +11 27.9 .512 2.1 .222 11.1 72% 37.1 25% 4.8 5.8 2.3 0.0 1.2
DAL Terry 39 129 48 +18 21.6 .552 5.6 .467 11.5 90% 36.9 43% 6.0 2.6 1.5 0.0 1.1Kobe shoots a good percentage (46%) and scores the most points. Honestly, it's pretty close throughout the league. Most teams have someone that shoots 44-50% with the game on the line. Statistically Lebron or Melo are the best, but you need the whole picture to choose. Kobe is great at drawing fouls down the stretch and he makes them at a very high clip (92%). He has a lot of game winners too. Lebron has a lot of turnovers and melo/bron clank more FTs than Kobe in the clutch.

Don't really need numbers to tell you to give it to kobe though, just watch the games.


:toast

TheMACHINE
03-01-2010, 10:21 AM
where is dirk on that list?

why is turtle jet on the list instead?

exactly. Ive seen Dirk come throught plenty of times in the last few minutes of the 4th (just like last night)...he might miss or not take the game winning shots but he puts his team in the position to keep the game close.

TheMACHINE
03-07-2010, 06:03 PM
after watching the Magic-Lakers game today. This is why these 10 secs or less stats are meaningless. Kobe hits 2 clutch jumpers less the 30 seconds but misses the one less then 10 secs.

JustBlaze
03-07-2010, 06:04 PM
after watching the Magic-Lakers game today. This is why these 10 secs or less stats are meaningless. Kobe hits 2 clutch jumpers less the 30 seconds but misses the one less then 10 secs.
So in other words, he missed the one that mattered.

TheMACHINE
03-07-2010, 06:13 PM
but made the ones to get him there

mogrovejo
03-07-2010, 06:16 PM
Kobe shot 3-9 in the last 4 minutes.
The rest of the Lakers went 3-4.

Yet it was Kobe who made the ones to get him there. If he hadn't chucked so many bad shots he probably would have been more efficient (or at the least the Lakers as a team would) and he wouldn't be "there" because probably it would be Orlando the ones desperate to hit 3 consecutive shots in the last 40 seconds.

Really, what's so difficult to understand about this?

JustBlaze
03-07-2010, 06:16 PM
but made the ones to get him there

So in other words, he missed the one that mattered.

j.dizzle
03-07-2010, 06:18 PM
Noooooooooooooooooo here comes all the fuckin bump threads after a Lakers loss lmaooooooooooooooo keep it comin, its damn entertaining

badfish22
04-13-2010, 07:38 PM
FG shooting: Dirk (64-137 47%) LeBron (68-147 46%) Kobe (48-111 43%) Durant ( 43-115 37%)

3pt Shooting: Dirk (13 of 18 72%) Lebron (17 of 54 32%) Kobe (11 of 31 35%) Durant (10 of 31 32%)

Free Throws: Dirk (62-64 97%) LeBron (74-91 81%) Kobe (46-55 84%) Durant (69-81 85%)

badfish22
04-13-2010, 07:51 PM
Those where from Stats inc. and copied from here http://twitter.com/Lockedonsports

These are 82 games
Points: Lebron James (65.5), Bryant (50.1), Dirk (45.7), Williams (43.4)

+/-: Dirk (+103), Kidd (+88), James (+77), West (+69)