SpursTalk Fantasy Baseball 2010

[ATRAIN]

your best bet is to hope Ortiz rebounds and you can trade Adrian for someone who can get you more steals and runs

Nah Ortiz was picked late in the draft just for "just in case" purposes, I want gunning for him but he was still there late so I picked him up. Like I said steals are only 1 category, I dont need them. Guys with power produce Runs, RBI's, and HR's. THats 3 categories. Guys with "lots of runs" could have gotten 3 a game, but then none in the next. So if my homerun guys give me 1 homer a game I can beat you 1 run to 0. Remember its about matchups for the week. You will see how this all pans out durning the season.

[Thunder Dan]

No way I have the 2nd best team. I have too many question marks and I think this season will be difficult to predict because of all the aging, young, and post injured guys. It seems like a lot of players are at a crossroads in their careers.

I think whottt will be in it as always. I don't think he's won the league yet but he's the most formidable opponent, imho. I always build my team to matchup with his which has worked for me in this league.

I think your pitching will be good enough where you can mix and match to win 1 or 2 categories each week in hitting. You are solid at 3rd and 2nd (assuming you play Lopez). I think you and Atrain should start talking 1st basemen.

I like McCutchen too. Rollins as well. If you get a solid infield, there will always be Out Fielders to fill in when you only need 3

[yavozerb]

My team will be feast or famine probably..I say this cause if Man-ram, hamilton, and beltran can return to 3/4 of there regular season I will be fine, if not im in truble..

[ATRAIN]

My team will be feast or famine probably..I say this cause if Man-ram, hamilton, and beltran can return to 3/4 of there regular season I will be fine, if not im in truble..

Man I had Hammy las year and stayed away from him and Carlos Q cause they are both headaches.

[yavozerb]

Man I had Hammy las year and stayed away from him and Carlos Q cause they are both headaches.

That was last year...This year it seemed as though everyone stayed away cause I got all of them in later rounds than usual (cant remember exactly) so I thought the gamble was worth it..

[Thunder Dan]

Man I had Hammy las year and stayed away from him and Carlos Q cause they are both headaches.

I don't like Hamilton because you have to take him so early and he isn't a guy who is going to win you the league, but he is a guy who can cost you the league. He took him over a guy like Carlos Lee. I know that's not a sexy name, but Carlos will give you a good OBP, 95 RBI and 30 Homers....you know that. With Hamilton you don't know. He could get hurt, he could give you nothing, or he could be great...which will be about what Carlos Lee gives you

Same shit Whott wont admit with Crawford. He could have taken a guy like Justin Upton who will give him 30 homers and 20 steals, took a speedster late, and have better numbers than what Crawford will give

[yavozerb]

I don't like Hamilton because you have to take him so early and he isn't a guy who is going to win you the league, but he is a guy who can cost you the league. He took him over a guy like Carlos Lee. I know that's not a sexy name, but Carlos will give you a good OBP, 95 RBI and 30 Homers....you know that. With Hamilton you don't know. He could get hurt, he could give you nothing, or he could be great...which will be about what Carlos Lee gives you

Same shit Whott wont admit with Crawford. He could have taken a guy like Justin Upton who will give him 30 homers and 20 steals, took a speedster late, and have better numbers than what Crawford will give

Could be true, but then again he could get you 30+ hr's and 100+rbi's in that stadium with no problems..Injury issues are definatly his downfall though and plus I think I got him in the 4th or 5th rds..I can live with that

[Thunder Dan]

Could be true, but then again he could get you 30+ hr's and 100+rbi's in that stadium with no problems..Injury issues are definatly his downfall though

yeah but is that gamble worth it for 5 extra homers and 10 extra RBI? That's what I'm saying. You know Carlos Lee is going to give you 30 homers- that's money in the bank. You don't know with Hamilton

[yavozerb]

what round did lee go?

[Thunder Dan]

what round did lee go?

you drafted Hamilton in the 6th, Lee went in the 8th.

[yavozerb]

you drafted Hamilton in the 6th, Lee went in the 8th.

I will definatly not lose any sleep over that cause Hamilton has much more upside to have the bigger year of the two cause of the players protecting him in the lineup and the stadium he plays in..I can agree with what your saying though about the two. You better hope that berkman is in that lineup to help out (kind of ironic, huh)

[Thunder Dan]

I will definatly not lose any sleep over that cause Hamilton has much more upside to have the bigger year of the two cause of the players protecting him in the lineup and the stadium he plays in..I can agree with what your saying though about the two. You better hope that berkman is in that lineup to help out (kind of ironic, huh)

I just think there are more questions with Hamilton than there is with a guy like Lee. Even if Lee has a bad year he will hit 25 homers. What is Hamilton's bad year? who knows because he has only has 1 good year

[ATRAIN]

I will definatly not lose any sleep over that cause Hamilton has much more upside to have the bigger year of the two cause of the players protecting him in the lineup and the stadium he plays in..I can agree with what your saying though about the two. You better hope that berkman is in that lineup to help out (kind of ironic, huh)

Actually not defending dan or anything but Lee did most of last year without Berkman.

[ATRAIN]

I just think there are more questions with Hamilton than there is with a guy like Lee. Even if Lee has a bad year he will hit 25 homers. What is Hamilton's bad year? who knows because he has only has 1 good year

Plus Lee has a lot of Homers to those shallow crawford boxes.

[whottt]

No way I have the 2nd best team. I have too many question marks and I think this season will be difficult to predict because of all the aging, young, and post injured guys. It seems like a lot of players are at a crossroads in their careers.

I think whottt will be in it as always. I don't think he's won the league yet but he's the most formidable opponent, imho. I always build my team to matchup with his which has worked for me in this league.

That's funny because I always feel like you are the worst matchup for me because you arre always strong in the same areas and I spend most of the season trying to gain or maintain and advantage on you in those same areas.

[whottt]

Anyway this is a good league...everyone but Dan has made the playoffs at least once and usually the finals too :tu

[ATRAIN]

Anyway this is a good league...everyone but Dan has made the playoffs at least once and usually the finals too :tu

but this is his year, she is like his fellow Ohio mate Lebron...........the chosen one :lol

[whottt]

Why doesn't he just say if he doesn't win the championship he'll give us all $25...he's saying he's the best, why is it he won't put his $ where his mouth is?

Anyone can say they they're the best, and since he's already said so...I'd like to see him back it up. Like a real man.

[ATRAIN]

Why doesn't he just say if he doesn't win the championship he'll give us all $25...he's saying he's the best, why is it he won't put his $ where his mouth is?

Anyone can say they they're the best, and since he's already said so...I'd like to see him back it up. Like a real man.

:lmao

[yavozerb]

Plus Lee has a lot of Homers to those shallow crawford boxes.

As a rangers fan I will always take over hamilton over lee and I am sure you will do the same with lee. As far as Hamilton only having 1 good year, this is true, but since he really only has 2 full years of mlb to count from, the book is still out on the kid (i'll risk a 6th rd pick).

[RedsLakers24]

Guys Nick Markakis and Adam Jones are going to have abreak out season this year, just watch, i went with Potential on this draft, so let see if it works out

[slayermin]

I think your pitching will be good enough where you can mix and match to win 1 or 2 categories each week in hitting. You are solid at 3rd and 2nd (assuming you play Lopez). I think you and Atrain should start talking 1st basemen.

I like McCutchen too. Rollins as well. If you get a solid infield, there will always be Out Fielders to fill in when you only need 3

I'm having a bit of buyers remorse on McCutchen. I love his upside but I noticed he got caught stealing quite a bit in the minors. Also, he didn't really steal that many bases down there either. I think I could have drafted BJ Upton or Nelson Cruz at that spot. But everytime I saw McCutchen play last season, he was doing something positive. I guess we will see.


That's funny because I always feel like you are the worst matchup for me because you arre always strong in the same areas and I spend most of the season trying to gain or maintain and advantage on you in those same areas.

Especially down the stretch, I look at your team to make adjustments. Like last season, the only reason I picked up Jim Johnson was with you in mind. I probably had an advantage on wins and strikeouts because I had more starters. But you were probably going to win era and whip if we met. I was hoping that I might steal one category because you had an advantage in hitting. And then hopefully, it would all come down to saves.

Anyway, Alamo whupped my ass so it was all academic. But anyone that knows better knows that they will have to handle the screwballs to win our league. :tu

[Thunder Dan]

Why doesn't he just say if he doesn't win the championship he'll give us all $25...he's saying he's the best, why is it he won't put his $ where his mouth is?

Anyone can say they they're the best, and since he's already said so...I'd like to see him back it up. Like a real man.

it's been 4 pages of banter since I offered you the bet and you still haven't taken it. You are all saying how great your teams are but only A-Train wants to bet his against mine

and yes I am like Lebron James:
1. From Akron
2. Superior to the rest of the competition
3. entering "my time"
4. very charming

[Thunder Dan]

A-Train....another thing I don't like about your team if I'm nitpicking is carrying 2 catchers. You really don't get much out of a catcher, and there really isn't any reason to hold a guy like Olivo on your roster because if you really need a catcher, you can find one with a similar skill set at any time off waivers. You are better off using that spot with a pitcher or a player who has a high upside and can take off. Wouldn't you rather hit a jackpot with a player with upside than hold onto a catcher you might use once a week?

[ATRAIN]

A-Train....another thing I don't like about your team if I'm nitpicking is carrying 2 catchers. You really don't get much out of a catcher, and there really isn't any reason to hold a guy like Olivo on your roster because if you really need a catcher, you can find one with a similar skill set at any time off waivers. You are better off using that spot with a pitcher or a player who has a high upside and can take off. Wouldn't you rather hit a jackpot with a player with upside than hold onto a catcher you might use once a week?

Well catchers are thin and in the past its been a weak spot so I decided to draft 2 this year. I really wanted mauer but getting him with the 3rd pick would have been a reach.

[Thunder Dan]

Well catchers are thin and in the past its been a weak spot so I decided to draft 2 this year. I really wanted mauer but getting him with the 3rd pick would have been a reach.

yeah catchers are thin but only mauer and vmart play everyday. Those are the only guys who are in the lineup everyday. Other catchers sit out atleast once a week, and even when they play, most don't offer more than 15 homers and a .250 batting average. Nothing you can't find off waivers whoever you need one

[Thunder Dan]

I'll be here for another hour taking questions if anyone else wants some advice on their team. I want to make this league competitive

[ATRAIN]

yeah catchers are thin but only mauer and vmart play everyday. Those are the only guys who are in the lineup everyday. Other catchers sit out atleast once a week, and even when they play, most don't offer more than 15 homers and a .250 batting average. Nothing you can't find off waivers whoever you need one

True but I got both catchers late.

[ATRAIN]

I'll be here for another hour taking questions if anyone else wants some advice on their team. I want to make this league competitive

:lmao fyi I wasnt asking for advice at all. I know what im doing and going to prove it to everyone.

[Thunder Dan]

:lmao fyi I wasnt asking for advice at all. I know what im doing and going to prove it to everyone.

you should start shopping your power for speed, or someone who can play 3rd

[ATRAIN]

you should start shopping your power for speed, or someone who can play 3rd

Its early in the season, calm down there buddy. I wont even think about trades for at least a month or so.

[Thunder Dan]

Its early in the season, calm down there buddy. I wont even think about trades for at least a month or so.

well that is why I'm a champion and you are a perennial .500 team

[ATRAIN]

well that is why I'm a champion and you are a perennial .500 team

wait till you win something first.

Ok ill bite, why should I trade some power for speed. You know SB's dont mean dick to me especially with being caught counting against you now.

[Thunder Dan]

wait till you win something first.

Ok ill bite, why should I trade some power for speed. You know SB's dont mean dick to me especially with being caught counting against you now.

you have ALOT of power, but not much speed. Especially with net steals, you only are going to need a few each week to win a category. Also, while power gets you runs and rbi as a secondary stat, you will get more runs with speed because of where most speed guys hit in the lineup.

If I were you, I would shop some of that power for atleast one speedster. Look at Whott's outfield. He will win stolen bases each week, but he will never win homers or RBI's, you and him are natural trade partners. Same with you and Mel. Slayer has a bad 1st base option, and you have an abundance of first basemen..again, natural trade partners.

[whottt]

Especially down the stretch, I look at your team to make adjustments. Like last season, the only reason I picked up Jim Johnson was with you in mind. I probably had an advantage on wins and strikeouts because I had more starters. But you were probably going to win era and whip if we met. I was hoping that I might steal one category because you had an advantage in hitting. And then hopefully, it would all come down to saves.

Anyway, Alamo whupped my ass so it was all academic. But anyone that knows better knows that they will have to handle the screwballs to win our league. :tu

Says the man who beat me the only time we met in the playoffs :tu

You definitely had the edge in starting pitching last year, especially by seasons end when I was hoping to avoid you in the playoffs. I spent the entire season trying to match your SP. And I don't think my my offense was beating yours either...not in HR and RBI. At the beginning of the season you might have trying to match up with me, but by the end of the season I was trying to match up with you.

and then Alamo got us both.

With an autodraft.

[Thunder Dan]

Says the man who beat me the only time we met in the playoffs :tu

You definitely had the edge in starting pitching last year, especially by seasons end when I was hoping to avoid you in the playoffs. I spent the entire season trying to match your SP. And I don't think my my offense was beating yours either...not in HR and RBI. At the beginning of the season you might have trying to match up with me, but by the end of the season I was trying to match up with you.

and then Alamo got us both.

With an autodraft.

have you ever considered autodrafting? I don't think autodraft would take Lance Berkman in the 6th round

[ATRAIN]

have you ever considered autodrafting? I don't think autodraft would take Lance Berkman in the 6th round

:lol

[whottt]

have you ever considered autodrafting? I don't think autodraft would take Lance Berkman in the 6th round

Have you ever considered doing the exact opposite of what you think you should do?

Nice of you to take time to post by the way, I figured you would be sifting through the multitude of trade offers for Strassburg :lmao

[Thunder Dan]

Have you ever considered doing the exact opposite of what you think you should do?

good one.

did you see Berkman and Kinsler are headed towards their second homes...the DL....next stop, glue factory

[Thunder Dan]

Have you ever considered doing the exact opposite of what you think you should do?

Nice of you to take time to post by the way, I figured you would be sifting through the multitude of trade offers for Strassburg :lmao

I'm projected to win this league by 12 games already, without anything from strasberg. That how far ahead I am at this point. Anything I get from him is just icing on the cake.

[Thunder Dan]

"With the 62nd pick in the 2010 fantasy draft...Screwballs selects.......Lance Berkman!"

http://i37.tinypic.com/zwdb9c.jpg

[Thunder Dan]

"With the 134th pick in the 2010 fantasy draft...Screwballs selects.....Alfanso Soriano!"

http://i37.tinypic.com/zwdb9c.jpg

[Thunder Dan]

"with the 84th pick in the 2010 fantasy draft...Screwballs selects....Brian Fuentes!"

http://i37.tinypic.com/zwdb9c.jpg

[whottt]

Are you really this much of an idiot?

[Thunder Dan]

here is Whott's fans watching while he drafts Lance Berkman in the 6th round

_qjyt1Vm9YM

[Thunder Dan]

Between Ricky Weeks, Lance Berkman and Ian Kinser, your team might spend more days on the DL than it hits home runs

[Thunder Dan]

I will admit though Whott, if this was 2004 you would have an awesome team with Pudge Rodriquez, Derek Lowe Lance Berkman, Casey Blake and Soriano.

Sucks for you 2004 was 6 years ago....along with most of your teams primes :downspin::downspin:

[whottt]

I will admit though Whott, if this was 2004 you would have an awesome team with Pudge Rodriquez, Derek Lowe Lance Berkman, Casey Blake and Soriano.

Sucks for you 2004 was 6 years ago....along with most of your teams primes :downspin::downspin:



Yes I should have gone for a sure thing at c like yourself. I have my reasons for picking Pudge.

[Thunder Dan]

Yes I should have gone for a sure thing at c like yourself. I have my reasons for picking Pudge.

man crush?

[Thunder Dan]

ironically, ESPN just wrote an article about how Berkman could be a steal (along with Kinsler) in drafts this year. Though, I don't think they are saying you "steal" Berkman in the 6th round, and Kinsler in the 1st. :lmao


Many fantasy baseball drafts will be held this weekend, and when the last piece of news you've got on a player is that he'll miss the first part of the season with a disabled-list stint, that tends to drastically alter his value. However, in the case of Houston Astros first baseman Lance Berkman, the fact that he'll miss some time with a knee injury doesn't scare me one bit. On the contrary, I'd call this DL stint somewhat welcome news.

What would you have rather have -- from a real or fantasy baseball sense -- a player who performs at a far lesser level through an injury or someone who gets proper rest and comes back strong? I've watched way too many players over the years play through injury and see their batting average drop like a rock. Or in the case of Mike Lowell in 2005, the injury affects the player for the duration of the season.

People, a baseball season is six months long, and fantasy championships are not won or lost in April. From the players I've spoken to over the years, the season is more taxing than anyone can imagine. Bodies break down. I've come to work with broken bones, pulled muscles and the like, but I don't need to throw a baseball 100 times with velocity, or swing a bat and run the bases. When you're hurt, you need to heal. I'd prefer Berkman to do this off a baseball field, so when he comes back he's ready to hit like the Berkman we remember from 2008. You remember that fellow, right? He hit .312 with 29 home runs and 106 RBIs, and that was with a poor second half in which he batted .259 with only seven home runs. Berkman was streaky last season, as well, though not to the same degree. It's pretty easy to speculate that he's been playing hurt at times the past few seasons.

First base is the deepest position in fantasy baseball this season, so one might wonder why it's worth it to mess with an older player (Berkman is 34) coming off spring arthroscopic knee surgery. The thing is, when most people think this way, it creates extraordinary value when everyone avoids the player. Berkman had loose cartilage removed from the left knee March 13, and generally it takes players two to four weeks to get back to speed. And this isn't someone we'd call a speedy player in the first place, which is good news for the recovery. We know Berkman can be productive, and this DL stint should help him immensely.

Berkman is currently being selected in the ninth round on average in ESPN live drafts How much further will he drop this weekend? A season ago, Berkman was the No. 13 player in ESPN drafts -- not at first base, but overall -- and as usual, I fail to see what has really changed in that time. Berkman did hit 25 home runs in 2009.

Injury often creates value, and I suspect we're going to see DL'ed players come at a far lesser price in the coming week, with Ian Kinsler, Cliff Lee, Brandon Webb among them. It's not that I look to draft injured players, but it's about selecting players at the right time. I trust that Berkman remains a special hitter, one coming at a discount, and that's the right time to pounce. Plus, it's nice to know the player has that asterisk up front, helping lineup maneuverability. That's better than him hitting .150 for two weeks as an active player.

Incidentally, the Astros aren't going to panic about how to replace Berkman, knowing it's a short-term problem. Geoff Blum likely will man the position in the interim. You don't really want him in fantasy baseball. I'd kind of like to see what Chris Johnson -- a third baseman, really, but Pedro Feliz won't be sitting -- or Chris Shelton could do at the plate for a few weeks, but I'm guessing the Astros go with a combination of Blum and Jeff Keppinger. Awesome!

http://insider.espn.go.com/sports/fantasy/blog?name=karabell_eric_baseball&id=5043679

[whottt]

More like I know he wants 3000 hits, needs at least one more big season to pull it off, is pretty much successful every time he sets his mind to having a big season, the last time he was in the NL it resucitated his career, he plays in a good hitters park, he is notorious for hot starts(as in flirting with 400 pre all star), he idolizes a catcher that played effectively to a very old age, and oh yeah, he is knocking the shit out of the ball in spring training....

That and it's not going to be hard to find catchers with the smaller benches.

[whottt]

ironically, ESPN just wrote an article about how Berkman could be a steal (along with Kinsler) in drafts this year. Though, I don't think they are saying you "steal" Berkman in the 6th round, and Kinsler in the 1st. :lmao



http://insider.espn.go.com/sports/fantasy/blog?name=karabell_eric_baseball&id=5043679


:lol you draft like everyone else on average, you will have the results of everyone else on average :lol

You just keep on pickin them the way tell you Dan...will take you far.

[Thunder Dan]

More like I know he wants 3000 hits, needs at least one more big season to pull it off, is pretty much successful every time he sets his mind to having a big season, the last time he was in the NL it resucitated his career, he plays in a good hitters park, he is notorious for hot starts(as in flirting with 400 pre all star), he idolizes a catcher that played effectively to a very old age, and oh yeah, he is knocking the shit out of the ball in spring training....

That and it's not going to be hard to find catchers with the smaller benches.

you should rename your team to The Disabled List

[whottt]

And you should make the playoffs before talking shit.

[whottt]

Look, I know this is a game you play to get info out of me...I will give it for free if you ask. And I already told you my opinon that you are going to start really slowly and have a bogged down bench...and no one is going to trade you for Strasburg.

Someday when you make the playoffs you will find out the hard way they shut young pitchers down in Sep if the team isn't in a penant race.

[Thunder Dan]

Look, I know this is a game you play to get info out of me...I will give it for free if you ask. And I already told you my opinon that you are going to start really slowly and have a bogged down bench...and no one is going to trade you for Strasburg.

Someday when you make the playoffs you will find out the hard way they shut young pitchers down in Sep if the team isn't in a penant race.

bogged down bench? I have the most efficient bench in the league, 1 backup first basemen (konerko), a backup 2nd/3rd (beckham), 2 backup OF, and a backup shortstop. A guy to enter if I need steals (escobar) and power(blanks)

[whottt]

:sleep

[Thunder Dan]

:sleep

can't argue against a perfect team. My team is like trying to find flaws on Mila Kunis, your team is like trying to find flaws on Bea Aurthur

My team
http://sexynerd.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/mila-kunis.jpg

Sea Dogs
http://daddycatchersrealm.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/beaarthur.jpg

[whottt]

Bea Authur would whip the shit out of that girl....

[Thunder Dan]

Bea Authur would whip the shit out of that girl....

yeah before she died maybe. Just like your team, Bea is past her prime, now she is pushing up daisies

[Thunder Dan]

2 takers on the bet so far: Alamo and ATrain.....noticeably absent from this list is Whott.

[yavozerb]

"With the 62nd pick in the 2010 fantasy draft...Screwballs selects.......Lance Berkman!"

http://i37.tinypic.com/zwdb9c.jpg

I'm definatly rooting for the screwballs, but I cant help to laugh everytime he posts this..:lol

[alamo50]

How can I not get in on that bet?


a computer

I did use auto-draft last year because the draft was in the middle of the night for me over here in Holland.
I studied the league and had some good pick-ups and trades.
Hence the championship with the missing trophy.

I trust on my developed skills to at least make the playoffs again.
Can't wait what excuses you gonna have when I collect your $25 Dan!

:baby

So, are we all paying our league fees this year or will there be somebody not paying again?

[Melmart1]

So, are we all paying our league fees this year or will there be somebody not paying again?

WTF, dude? I thought that whole shit was settled, no need to bring it back up. :rolleyes

[alamo50]

Calm down girl.
What I meant to say is when we have to pay.
When administration is in order, that mess from last year won't have to be.

[yavozerb]

WTF, dude? I thought that whole shit was settled, no need to bring it back up. :rolleyes

whats going on, i must have missed it..

[FromWayDowntown]

whats going on, i must have missed it..

Last year, one league owner failed to pay his or her entry fee. When it came time to pay out the prizes, I made mention of that to explain a short delay. It became the cause celebre of the board to figure out who didn't pay. I figured it was a matter solely between me and that person and really nobody else's business beyond explaining the brief delay.

To this day, I'm quite certain that the guesses were all incorrect.

[FromWayDowntown]

As for this year's payments, you can send them to me via PayPal (ps://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_home-general&nav=0).

My e-mail address for that account is: [email protected]

[Melmart1]

Payment sent.

[FromWayDowntown]

Payment sent.

. . . and received.

[Melmart1]

Thanks for acknowledging. It says "unclaimed" so I was about to double check to make sure I got the email addy right. All it says is I sent a payment to "From Way" ... I don't know why that made me :lol

[rascal]

Problem with this league. A team can load up starting RPs and win WHIP ERA and Saves and only draft 3 sps. RP will get you better WHIP and ERA totals generally than SPs.

The Min innings pitched needs to be ramped up to make it so it is harder to do. I see the commissioner using this strategy. It should not be allowed. Build your team SP and RP not just RP to get an advantage in 3 out of 5 categories.

I could have a better overall staff but get beat by someone who is just playing RPs.

[FromWayDowntown]

Thanks for acknowledging. It says "unclaimed" so I was about to double check to make sure I got the email addy right. All it says is I sent a payment to "From Way" ... I don't know why that made me :lol

Should be claimed now.

-From Way

[FromWayDowntown]

Problem with this league. A team can load up starting RPs and win WHIP ERA and Saves and only draft 3 sps. RP will get you better WHIP and ERA totals generally than SPs.

The Min innings pitched needs to be ramped up to make it so it is harder to do. I see the commissioner using this strategy. It should not be allowed. Build your team SP and RP not just RP to get an advantage in 3 out of 5 categories.

I could have a better overall staff but get beat by someone who is just playing RPs.

I think you're incorrect about the overall effect of that strategy; with an RP-heavy staff, it takes one horrible outing by a starter to blast your ERA and WHIP to the moon. If you don't have dominant closer-types and you use RP primarily, I think you're going to have weeks -- and plenty of them -- where you will suffer from just one bad outing because you don't have enough innings to overcome that damage. Besides, if you go with an RP heavy strategy, you've got no chance in Wins and Strikeouts and you're going to be taking your chances that you'll lose out on ERA and WHIP if those relievers get lit up.

Put it this way: if my team, as currently constructed, were to get a horrible outing by James Shields, a mediocre outing from Kazmir, an average outing from either Gallardo or Johnson, and a great outing from the other one of those two, I'm screwed in ERA and WHIP -- and wins and strikeouts. One great start and a week's worth of immaculate relief appearances won't undo a 3IP, 7ER, 0K, 6BB start coupled with a 5.2IP, 6ER, 2K, 7BB start and a 6.2 IP, 5 ER, 3K, 2 BB start.

With that said, if the owners favor increasing the innings pitched requirement, that can be done.

As for me, I don't know that your characterization of my "strategy" is particularly right. I have a phobia of ending up short on closers and have a tendency to draft them in boatloads sometimes to avoid being caught with my pants down. To be really honest, I'd prefer to have more starting pitchers and will probably be in the market to address that need in short order. In fact, I've already mentioned here that I'm looking to deal relievers for starter and I've put players on the block on the league website asking for SP in return. As my example above illustrates, there's almost nothing I can do right now to overcome a terrible start or two.

[rascal]

I think you're incorrect about the overall effect of that strategy; with an RP-heavy staff, it takes one horrible outing by a starter to blast your ERA and WHIP to the moon. If you don't have dominant closer-types and you use RP primarily, I think you're going to have weeks -- and plenty of them -- where you will suffer from just one bad outing because you don't have enough innings to overcome that damage. Besides, if you go with an RP heavy strategy, you've got no chance in Wins and Strikeouts and you're going to be taking your chances that you'll lose out on ERA and WHIP if those relievers get lit up.

Put it this way: if my team, as currently constructed, were to get a horrible outing by James Shields, a mediocre outing from Kazmir, an average outing from either Gallardo or Johnson, and a great outing from the other one of those two, I'm screwed in ERA and WHIP -- and wins and strikeouts. One great start and a week's worth of immaculate relief appearances won't undo a 3IP, 7ER, 0K, 6BB start coupled with a 5.2IP, 6ER, 2K, 7BB start and a 6.2 IP, 5 ER, 3K, 2 BB start.

With that said, if the owners favor increasing the innings pitched requirement, that can be done.

As for me, I don't know that your characterization of my "strategy" is particularly right. I have a phobia of ending up short on closers and have a tendency to draft them in boatloads sometimes to avoid being caught with my pants down. To be really honest, I'd prefer to have more starting pitchers and will probably be in the market to address that need in short order. In fact, I've already mentioned here that I'm looking to deal relievers for starter and I've put players on the block on the league website asking for SP in return. As my example above illustrates, there's almost nothing I can do right now to overcome a terrible start or two.

I disagree with you. You will win more often the ERA and WHIP categories loading up on RP.

I understand that one bad game from a starter with the fewer innings pitched from your team can do more damage but there is much more possibility that a team with more SP will have those poor stars and big run outings. Just look at the RP as compared to the SP- ERA WHIP totals and that says it all.

Those big run outings are more common from SP.

RP generally will have better ERA and WHIP totals.

Yes the MIn innings pitched should be ramped up to discourage this strategy. A staff should be built around both SP and RP.

[FromWayDowntown]

I disagree with you. You will win more often the ERA and WHIP categories loading up on RP.

I understand that one bad game from a starter with the fewer innings pitched from your team can do more damage but there is much more possibility that a team with more SP will have those poor stars and big run outings. Just look at the RP as compared to the SP- ERA WHIP totals and that says it all.

We'll see. I'd predict that despite appearances, my team's WHIP and ERA won't be particularly good and that most weeks, I'll be wishing that I had more SP. In fact, if you think you'd be better off with more RP, please -- by all means -- make me an offer to deal an RP for an SP.


Those big run outings are more common from SP.

And when my SP have one of those inevitable big run outings, there's not much my relievers will be able to do to offset it.

If Kazmir gives up 5 runs and 12 runners in 5 IP and my 4 closers combine for 4 IP and 0 runs and 6 runners, my ERA for that day will still be 5.00 ((5*9)/9) and my WHIP will still be 2.00 (18 runners/9 IP), despite my relievers being incredible.


RP generally will have better ERA and WHIP totals.

True, but again they pitch so few innings compared to starters that they can't do much to offset what the starters do.


Yes the MIn innings pitched should be ramped up to discourage this strategy. A staff should be built around both SP and RP.

I'll tell you again, this isn't an intentional strategy for me, so there's no strategy to discourage -- at least with respect to my team. I'd be a much happier owner if I had more SP and fewer (but better) RP.

[FromWayDowntown]

If the IP minimum is too low, where should we put the minimum?

[rascal]

If the IP minimum is too low, where should we put the minimum?

At least 40 innings, thats 4 innings total average for all 10 pitchers. Now at 15 innings thats just 1.5 innings per week average. You can start all RP in the P slots without much worry.

If I was going to use that strategy I would have had to go into the draft with that in mind and load up on the RP I wanted to draft not what some other owner wants to trade.

[FromWayDowntown]

A. I still fundamentally disagree with your concern and think that the structure of my pitching will screw me this season.

B. With that said, I think, given that we've already drafted, it would be unfair to so dramatically increase the IP minimum. If it only affected me, I'd think seriously about agreeing with you. But since others might have relied on that rule -- I don't know -- I'd support an increase, but only to something like 25 or 30 IP.

[whottt]

Hmmm...I'm at work right now, when I get home I'll post my thoughts on it after looking at my roster. I believe I will have to drop some closers I wasted draft picks on to guarantee making that min.

And that is definitely not fair if that is the case. Espeically since the min innings are being reset after the draft.

[FromWayDowntown]

And that is definitely not fair if that is the case. Espeically since the min innings are being reset after the draft.

I think it would be unfair for this season to raise it dramatically. It might be that the league would improve with a higher IP minimum, but at this point, I don't think it can be significantly changed.

[whottt]

Ok I looked. I'm willing to compromise...but no way is 40 fair. Plus I saw it when rascal originally had 30 there ;). I also saw him trying to find closers on the waiver.

Contrary to the way it may seem rascal, very seldom can you just pitch 15 innings and hold. You usually have to start at least 2 guys to make 15 innings. It's a good strategy and definitely can help you win whip and era or least keep you competitive in those categories but it's not automatic. And sometimes you have to win k's and w's anyway.

I think maybe 5 times I have tried to win a week with the minimum and it usually doesn't work.



And you made a great point about SP mattering...at the same time, RP shouldn't just be a one stat position. I mean if we get tatooed on our closers it's going to blow our ERA up...so why shouldn't we be able to benefit when they are good? And RP will do nothing at 40...plus I do not think I can guarantee 40 IP.


So in the spirit of compromise, and every one is free to input on this btw...

You want 40, the minimum is 15, I know you are willing to settle for 30, I say half the distance between 15 and 40 which would be 28. That leaves a one point difference, we give half and you give half and set minimum at 29ip?



That's my impression of what is fair. Since you don't know for sure closers are going to pitch, that basically means we have to start at least 4 pitchers that go 7+innings.

Seems fair to me.

I do not know if FWDT or you or anyone else will agree with it...but that is my suggestion.

FWDT, if you see any flaws in that be sure and let know. I am sleepy so I certainly could be overlooking something. That's just a suggestion on my part.

[alamo50]

It might be that the league would improve with a higher IP minimum, but at this point, I don't think it can be significantly changed.

Next season = no problem
This season = hell to the no

P.S.
Payment send.

[yavozerb]

You cannot make as big a rule change as this after teams have drafted there players..But then again, since I have only 1 RP, why not..

[whottt]

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The professional arbiter is pondering. 29 may be a little bit high, but I will go with the will of the people...unless it's too high.

[Melmart1]

I also agree that it doesn't seem fair to change the rules after the draft. If the group wants an increase, I will go with it but only if it's a small one. 30IP from 15 seems like a lot to me.

[whottt]

You're a good woman Mel :tu

[rascal]

29 is better than 15.

15 innings is too low.

With 15 thats only 1.5 innings per pitcher average. You can start 2 sp and all the rest RP and make that easily.

Most starters will get you 160+ innings a year. So divide 160(and thats a conservative number since many sp will post even more innings) by the number of weeks in our schedule(I dont have that now) then muliply by 5 which is half the roster spots for pitchers. That does not even consider the 5 RP spots which will also add to the innings and you see 29 is a very conservative number. 15 is too low and doesn't make sense at all unless stacking RP is ok with the league.

I still say building a strong stafff which includes SP and RP should be the goal for the league to strive for. Not trying to win by skimming a rule loophole to get an advantage.

[Thunder Dan]

that doesn't work anyways. Timvp tried it last year and it only worked a couple weeks. All it took was for one of his RP to give up 2 runs and he had a ERA over 6.

Also, I know FWD was looking for a way to keep owners involved all the way towards the end. I guess you could do the system my football league uses, but we don't have a huge money pool to make it as worthwhile.

What we do is we each pay $100. So the prize money is $1200, and we use this payout:

1. $425
2. $250
3. $175
4. $100
5. $75
6. $50
7. $32.50
8. $32.50
9. $25
10. $22.50
11. $12.50
12. nothing

so no matter where you are you are competing for money if you can move your way up. If you leave your team you risk not getting anything. I don't think this will work for this league since our pool isn't that big, but maybe something to think about

[Thunder Dan]

also, nobody has the lineup to punt Wins, Saves and Strikeouts. Timvp's was the best as being suited for it, and he still couldn't pull it off. Nobody in this league has a lineup that is even close to being good enough to punt 3 categories.

the only person who is somewhat close is A-Train, but he is punting steals, and he doesn't even have any RP's anyways.

[RedsLakers24]

How much money is it? and how do i pay?

[whottt]

Yeah I am not set in stone on a 15 inning minimum...especially since I have never just had a 15 inning week.

I mean you do realize that minimum innings doesn't just favor people strong in closers...it's just as easy for a guy with no closers to shut his staff down after his pitchers throw 2 shutouts.


Shutting your staff once the minimum is reached down automatically concedes w and k. It's basically a trade of ERA and Whip for W and K....except for the fact that it doesn't guarantee winning whip and era, it just guarantees losing w and k usually.

[whottt]

How much money is it? and how do i pay?

You got a paypal account? Send $25.00 to the email FWDT posted earlier. A Red Doberbman will work if you don't have $25.00 :tu

[whottt]

also, nobody has the lineup to punt Wins, Saves and Strikeouts. Timvp's was the best as being suited for it, and he still couldn't pull it off. Nobody in this league has a lineup that is even close to being good enough to punt 3 categories.

the only person who is somewhat close is A-Train, but he is punting steals, and he doesn't even have any RP's anyways.

The reason it didn't work that well for timvp is because he was trying to use exclusively Dominican relievers....and didn't even have all the good Dominican relivers. It could have worked better for him than it did...

Basically anyone has the option of shutting down their staff to try to lock in a win in whip and ERA if they want once the min is reached...but it's usually only a fool proof strategy if you feel you can win the offensive categories.


But yeah say you got 5 closers and you try to reach the 15 min with them? What are the odds of getting 15 innings from 5 closers without one of them having a bad inning(which usually jacks your ERA to about 15).

[Thunder Dan]

Mariano Rivera is from Panama

[whottt]

And Alex Rodriguez is from New York.

[Thunder Dan]

and David Ortiz is from Boston

[whottt]

No I mean Alex Rodriguez is actually from New York. Born there.

It's the heritage. Mariano has Dominican heritage so in timvp's book he was Dominican.

Timvp wasn't born in the Dominican Republica either, I don't think. He just has Dominican heritage.

What was the funny was the first year of this league once the playoffs hit when timvp tried that...who knew Greg Maddux had Dominican heritage?

[Thunder Dan]

David Ortiz was born in Boston, listen to his accent

[Thunder Dan]

and Albert Pujajoles is from Kansas City

[whottt]

And Bozo is from Cleveland. And so are rivers that catch on fire :tu

[slayermin]

Isn't it the responsibility of the manager to read the scoring and settings before drafting his team?

I am against any changes to scoring and settings post-draft, even if the changes could possibly benefit me.

But if the league votes for a change, I will go with the flow.

[RedsLakers24]

You got a paypal account? Send $25.00 to the email FWDT posted earlier. A Red Doberbman will work if you don't have $25.00 :tu

Can i pay it on Monday?, and no My damm Dog was expensive as hell

[whottt]

Isn't it the responsibility of the manager to read the scoring and settings before drafting his team?

Yeap...the only reason I don't have more of a problem with it is that I have never just stuck on 15innings before and I've never seen anyone do it before actually.

Because you never know when you'll have to go after W-K so pulling their staff is usually not something people do until the final day of the week.




I am against any changes to scoring and settings post-draft, even if the changes could possibly benefit me.

But if the league votes for a change, I will go with the flow.

The perception is it's some kind of advantage but it really isn't it. I had more closers than anyone last year...and Alamo beat me in either or whip or ERA(might have been both). And I was trying to freeze him out in ERA and whip...he got under my totals.

And Alamo clearly had the best pitching staff period last season.

It's really not some huge advantage for people with closers...I mean you did the strategy last year too and I remember you haveing a bad week in it was the main reason I beat you in the first matchup last year. I think you put up like a 9 ERA for the week or something. And that happened to me a few times too.

IF your closers are having a bad week, you will lose ERA and whip, and lose them badly.

The best way to ensure a good whip and era is to have the best pitchers in those categories period regardless of if they are starters or closers.

A closer with a mid 3 ERA will have some ugly ERA weeks in the course of a season.

[Thunder Dan]

Whott, you should use that strategy. You could win Steals, WHIP and ERA....2 more categories than you will win now.

[whottt]

Whott, you should use that strategy. You could win Steals, WHIP and ERA....2 more categories than you will win now.

And you should use the strategy of making the playoffs before presuming to tell your "betters" what they should do :tu

[alamo50]

I agree it would benefit the league raising the minimum innings pitched, but damned people y'all got an entire winter for this discussion and now after the draft there's a debate wether to just throw some people's draft strategees for the entire season out of the window! It's not dodging a loop in the rules, FWDT talked about this before the draft and nobody argued that decission than.

Let me be clear that it is not my strategy to try to gamble on the minimum innings pitched with my 4 closers. I didn't do it last year until I was forced to at the end of the season.

And the decission from last year to not allowe unlimited roster moves I don't see anywhere.

Y'all set the rules and I play accordingly.
Just don't change them when the game is already under way.

Just curious because LJ's name is used a lot in here, when did he win the championship?

[FromWayDowntown]

Just to make a few things clear:

1. I'm not employing a specific strategy to fill my staff with closers and game the minimum IP requirement; as I've said several times in this thread, I'm actively seeking opportunities to trade for SP and would jettison RP to do it. As my other posts in the thread indicate, I think there's an understandable temptation to believe that an owner will almost always benefit in WHIP and ERA by using a bunch of relievers instead of SP, but I think that temptation isn't particularly well-founded in reality. As for me, I have 5 SP on my roster and have every intention of starting each of them when their turns arrive. I also am, again, looking for more SP.

2. I'm willing to put a moderate increase in minimum IP to the league's owners for a vote, but I'm not willing to make a unilateral change in the rules. From my standpoint, I tend to agree with the idea that this concern was knowable before the draft and I don't think there was any obfuscation about what the rules were. This thread alone began with my statement that the IP minimum was being increased from 10 to 15 and asking if anyone thought a more considerable bump was worth considering. (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4131244&postcount=1). Through a month of that being posted, NOBODY had an objection to the increase to 15 IP.

3. At the same time, I recognize that we've got a bunch of owners who've played under these rules in the past and a few who are new to them and may not have appreciated how they'll actually work. I can also understand that new owners either might not have seen the post about the increase in the minimum IP or may not have had any real interest in addressing the merits of that change. For that reason, I think rascal makes a valid enough point to put the issue to a vote and to consider a change -- if it has majority support.

4. For the latter reason, I'm going to post a thread on the league website about this issue. First, I'm going to ask everyone to vote on whether we should change the rule (no matter by how much) at this point in the season. If that gets majority support, then we'll talk about how much of a change that might be.

-FWD

[FromWayDowntown]

Just curious because LJ's name is used a lot in here, when did he win the championship?

I don't know that LJ ever won the championship in this league, but he's been a good manager whose teams have generally been competitive over the 3 prior years of this league.

And he's LJ. He's earned at least a small degree of credibility and respect in this forum -- at least from some.

[FromWayDowntown]

Since there's some interest in it, here's the league history. Apologies to those whose teams I've failed to immediately identify!!

2007
League Champion-- Roid Rage (yavozerb, I think)
2nd -- The Larry Davids
3rd -- BALCO Bartokomous (Melmart)
4th -- TheScrewballs (whottt)
5th -- The Outfielders
6th -- DominicanRepublicans (timvp)

2008
League Champion -- Ooooh That Snell! (Melmart)
2nd -- Downtown's Diablos (FWD)
3rd -- DominicanRepublicans (timvp)
4th -- Atrain's Army (ATrain)
5th -- Bashers (slayer)
6th -- Screwballs2 (whottt)

2009
League Champion -- alamo's terror squad (alamo)
2nd -- Screwballs3 (whottt)
3rd -- Atrain's Army (ATrain)
4th -- Bashers (slayer)

[Thunder Dan]

I always play within the rules of the game. Cheating is only cheating yourself. Champions like myself never cheat

[RedsLakers24]

I Have the best balance among all teams, i got solid pitching and solid hitting

[Thunder Dan]

I Have the best balance among all teams, i got solid pitching and solid hitting

i dont know what you consider solid pitching but that is like the 4th time you have said that, and every time I look, and every time I see just Roy Halladay, 1 closer who isn't any good and a middle reliever who offers nothing other than he is on the Reds. Your pitching sucks and you have too many hitters sitting on the bench

I'll be here for another hour if anyone else wants advice on their team

[Thunder Dan]

Halladay- Great Pitcher

Burnett- good for stikeouts, eats up your WHIP...coming off career high in innings and the playoffs

Jurrjens- wasn't he hurt?

Kawakami- I don't even think he is in the rotation- and if he was, he sucks. Gives you 4 good innings, and then get rocked

Saunders- see above

Homer Bailey- walks more guys than he strikes out. ERA over 5

Nick Massett- why did you draft him?

Cordero- decent closer, WHIP Killer

Blackburn- offers nothing

Randy Wolf- 1 good season, might be a good ERA guy.

[Thunder Dan]

and you have too many guys on your bench. Only 1 has a skill set you couldn't find off waivers when you needed a spot start (Cantu). Other than that you have a bunch of guys who would sit on waivers for awhile....but you drafted them


this is why my team is the best.

[RedsLakers24]

Halladay- Great Pitcher

Burnett- good for stikeouts, eats up your WHIP...coming off career high in innings and the playoffs

Jurrjens- wasn't he hurt?

Kawakami- I don't even think he is in the rotation- and if he was, he sucks. Gives you 4 good innings, and then get rocked

Saunders- see above

Homer Bailey- walks more guys than he strikes out. ERA over 5

Nick Massett- why did you draft him?

Cordero- decent closer, WHIP Killer

Blackburn- offers nothing

Randy Wolf- 1 good season, might be a good ERA guy.

Roy Halladay- great pitcher

Jurrjens- Great Young Pitcher, has had a season of an ERA Below 3, and he's healthy, and pitching good in spring training

Burnett- Great Strike Outs, and with the Yankees means alot of wins

Kawakami- Great Upside, will be in the Rotation thats why they Braves traded Vazquez, because they have alot of pitching, and this includes this guy

Saunders- Was an All Star before, young, and could have great season, last year he won 16 games

Homer Bailey- It looks like he is going to be a great pitcher, look at his last starts last year and you see he had the best ERA of any pitcher like his last 10 starts, and he is doing really good in spring training

Nick Masset- Great Pitcher, Closer stuff, he has been with the Reds 2 years and had ERA below 3, and The Reds will be shopping Cordero, if they trade him Masset will become the Closer

Randy Wolf- Pretty decent, good for ERA, and could have a big year with the Brewers

Blackburn- Just there for space

[Thunder Dan]

lol so you drafted Cordero and Masset to back him up? So you will get like 2-3 saves a week and only lose that category by 7-8 saves? Why even own a closer if you know you can't win that category. Thats like owning 10 michael Bourns and you pick Adam Dunn up in a trade

[alamo50]

3. At the same time, I recognize that we've got a bunch of owners who've played under these rules in the past and a few who are new to them and may not have appreciated how they'll actually work. I can also understand that new owners either might not have seen the post about the increase in the minimum IP or may not have had any real interest in addressing the merits of that change. For that reason, I think rascal makes a valid enough point to put the issue to a vote and to consider a change -- if it has majority support.

It's not a new setup league and the new gm's should just be happy to get in this highly competitive and high level league.
They should play by the set rules before the draft too.

Next season we can change everything per vote BEFORE THE DRAFT.
Voting is not fair to gm's who drafted with strategy based on the set rules. Even if it's only one gm who votes against, there should be no majority over ruling him/her.


Thanks for the standings from the past FWD.
How come again we only have 4 playoff spots in a 12 team league this year?
That's something that should be up for vote in my opinion.

[yavozerb]

I say lets vote and get it over with before the season gets here..

[Thunder Dan]

keep the innings the way they stand.

[yavozerb]

I say bump it to 30..With 10 pitchers available to pick up innings all you need are 3 sp's to get you a total of 20 innings for the week (which some would be 2 start pitchers) and the remaining 7 pitchers just get 1 1/2 innnings for the week..more than fair I think

[alamo50]

keep the innings the way they stand.


Because of this single no vote (so far), me too say nay to expanding the minimum innings pitched hence no voting needed.

[Thunder Dan]

rules are rules, FWD asked a couple months ago if anyone had a problem with the rules....can't change them now. Anything discussed now can be tabled to next season

[yavozerb]

Because of this single no vote (so far), me too say nay to expanding the minimum innings pitched hence no voting needed.

:lmao...damn, I almost feel like TD really is the most interesting man in the world..

[Thunder Dan]

:lmao...damn, I almost feel like TD really is the most interesting man in the world..

you have alot to learn if you didn't already know that

[Thunder Dan]

here is the thing you have to ask yourself....I'm angle man. As seen last season with my over 100 roster moves, I will try to find a way to angle around the rules. If this strategy was any good, I would be using it. Since I'm not, you can count on it not working. It's not a strategy you have to worry about. Nobody has the lineup to do it anyways

[rascal]

It's not a new setup league and the new gm's should just be happy to get in this highly competitive and high level league.
They should play by the set rules before the draft too.

Next season we can change everything per vote BEFORE THE DRAFT.
Voting is not fair to gm's who drafted with strategy based on the set rules. Even if it's only one gm who votes against, there should be no majority over ruling him/her.


Thanks for the standings from the past FWD.
How come again we only have 4 playoff spots in a 12 team league this year?
That's something that should be up for vote in my opinion.

Agree with increasing the playoff spots to 6 teams. top two division winners or top 2 teams overall get a bye the 1'st week. Seeds 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5 1st week of the playoffs. Top team gets the lowest seed that advances.

You can also have a 3rd place game between the losers of the 2nd week of the playoffs. Thats great to extend the season for 2 teams.

[rascal]

rules are rules, FWD asked a couple months ago if anyone had a problem with the rules....can't change them now. Anything discussed now can be tabled to next season

I wasn't in the league a couple of months ago.

[Thunder Dan]

4 teams make the playoffs in baseball...there are no divisions we play as one giant one

[whottt]

Hmmm...is anyone sure only 4 teams make the playoffs? I thought the reason only 4 made it last year is because it was a 10 team league. It usually has been 6 the years we've had a 12 team league. I don't have a problem with it if it is that way, I just never saw the rule on the number of teams.

[whottt]

I wasn't in the league a couple of months ago.

Yeap but FWDT increasing the minimum innings from 10 to 15 and possibly more of an increase is in the first post in this thread.

[rascal]

Yeap but FWDT increasing the minimum innings from 10 to 15 and possibly more of an increase is in the first post in this thread.

Going from 10 to 15 makes no difference.

And sitting guys to win WHIP and ERA because someone has only relief pitchers should not be the incentive. With an increase in innings pitched it makes it harder for guys to load up on RP. I already layed out why 15 innings pitched is too low and what a more reasonable number should be.

SP comes at more of a premium on draft day so they should be more valuable. RP is mainly for Saves but in our format the smart strategy is to load up on hitters and a couple SP and all RP. CBS only uses 2 slots for RP. RP is a secondary option in most fantasy formats and it should be that way. SP should be more valuable.

Looks like most teams that use this strategy have done well making the playoffs in this league. Dan never uses it, maybe thats why Dan never makes the playoffs.

Alamo even admitted he needed to play that way because others where doing it.

[whottt]

There's no way you are going to get people to not pull the pitchers to win ERA and WHIP if those two categories are what they need to win. Even if the minimum is a hundred innings. If someone gets a hundred innings and has ERA and WHIP won and have won enough categories to win the matchup, they will pull them to win. That really has nothing to do with relief pitching.


On a low minimum, if someone pulls their closers to lock up ERA and WHIP, they also will likely lose saves to a team that built a balanced pitching staff and didn't punt the saves category.


Alamo did not have the best closers last year, I did, and Alamo beat me because he had the best pitching staff.


This league has never been won by anyone with the best closers since the first year when Yazo won it. Yazo also had the best SP too, he had the best pitching period.

I think Yazo had 4 great closers the year he won it.
I think Melmart had only 2 or 3 when she won it.
I think Alamo only had 2 last year.

I had 5 of them. And I did just what you are talking about and tried to lock it up and he just simply beat me anyway because his pitching was better.

It's not the advantage you seem to think it is, as FWDT mentioned, and I think RP is just as important as SP. Yeah you shouldn't be able to punt SP, but you shouldn't be able to punt RP either. The higher the minimum goes the less important RP becomes. And pulling piutchers to lock up ERA and WHIP is something anyone can and will do if the situation calls for it, regardless of whether or not they are a SP or RP oriented team.

[whottt]

Oh yeah and Dan didn't make the playoffs because he considered Jim Thome a great draft pick and similar such things.

[Thunder Dan]

Oh yeah and Dan didn't make the playoffs because he considered Jim Thome a great draft pick and similar such things.

dude you just had the worst draft in the league and you are running your mouth. You took 3 closers in the first 10 rounds. One is good, one sucks, and the other is out with no timetable for return.

[whottt]

dude you just had the worst draft in the league

How would you know?

Seriously, how would you know?

Based on what do you claim that your opinion means something?

Based
On
What?


and you are running your mouth.

:lol



You took 3 closers in the first 10 rounds. One is good, one sucks, and the other is out with no timetable for return.

Both are good and the other always has shoulder problems :tu


Run along now...and go read another blog.

[Thunder Dan]

How would you know?

Seriously, how would you know?

Based on what do you claim that your opinion means something?

Based
On
What?



:lol




Both are good and the other always has shoulder problems :tu


Run along now...and go read another blog.

I write blogs baby I don't read them, I create them.

[FromWayDowntown]

There's no way you are going to get people to not pull the pitchers to win ERA and WHIP if those two categories are what they need to win. Even if the minimum is a hundred innings. If someone gets a hundred innings and has ERA and WHIP won and have won enough categories to win the matchup, they will pull them to win. That really has nothing to do with relief pitching.

I'm quite sure that I've never sat any of my front line SP or RP at any point in any week in any season just to preserve a lead in ERA or WHIP. If I have a lead in ERA and WHIP, but I have Halladay going (and I had Halladay last year) on Sunday, you'd better believe that I'm going to start Halladay. I might be the only one, but contrary to what rascal seems to think is a deliberate strategy on my part, I've never tried to just barely meet the minimum and leave it at that.


It's not the advantage you seem to think it is, as FWDT mentioned, and I think RP is just as important as SP. Yeah you shouldn't be able to punt SP, but you shouldn't be able to punt RP either.

If you punt SP in an effort to win ERA and WHIP, you're definitely going to lose strikeouts and probably wins.

Even if someone were to deliberately employ this RP, barely meet the minimum IP requirement, strategy, they'd essentially be giving away 2 categories and the difference would be minimal. And the risk of the strategy itself -- at least to me -- wouldn't be worth its potential upside. Again, the lower your IP in a week, the less margin for error you have during the week -- if you only accumulate 15 IP, one bad one hurts a whole lot more than if you accumulate 45 IP or 60 IP in a week.

I'll also note that there's a converse issue with the hitters that nobody seems to have any problem with. As it stands in this league, I could conceivably get more than 162 starts out of any of the 9 positions in my lineup. In fact, over a given week, I could get more than 7 starts out of any of those positions with the right combination of double-headers or things like that. Over the short term or the long term, that would give me similar advantages in the offensive counting categories (runs, HR, RBI, and perhaps even SB). Curiously, nobody has a problem with that potential.

[Thunder Dan]

you all should work on improving your teams a little more and worrying about the rules a little less. If I'm not using that strategy, you shouldn't worry about it. You are all chasing me anyways, so why even waste time worrying about it?

[FromWayDowntown]

By the way, I did change the number of playoff teams to 6. I thought I had done that earlier but must not have.

[Thunder Dan]

By the way, I did change the number of playoff teams to 6. I thought I had done that earlier but must not have.

now Whott will only miss the playoffs by 6 teams instead of 8

[ATRAIN]

Is the last week still 2 weeks now? Is our season just cut short with the wildcard week?

[alamo50]

By the way, I did change the number of playoff teams to 6. I thought I had done that earlier but must not have.

You're welcome.

How will the price money by devided now?
My proposal:

1. $150
2. $75
3. $50
4. $25

[yavozerb]

You're welcome.

How will the price money by devided now?
My proposal:

1. $150
2. $75
3. $50
4. $25

Why should 4th get anything? 1st=175$, 2nd=75$, 3rd= 50

[RedsLakers24]

I just added Kerry Wood, but why cant i see him on my Roster?

[FromWayDowntown]

I just added Kerry Wood, but why cant i see him on my Roster?

If you did it today, you'll see the move tomorrow.

You can see it now if you want:

Between the brownish bar that has your team name and all of that on it, there's a line that reads:

Lineup: Fri., April 2 Sat., April 3 Sun., April 4 Mon., April 5 . . . .

If you click on a later date, you can set your lineup for that day and see who will be on your roster that day. So, for instance, if you wanted to set your lineup for Monday right now, you could click on "Mon., April 5" and set your lineup for that day. I think that tends to be most helpful if you're going out of town for a period of time or something like that.

[alamo50]

Why should 4th get anything? 1st=175$, 2nd=75$, 3rd= 50

You got a point.
I haven't read anywhere what it wil actualy be and the season starts tomorrow.

[rascal]

Why should 4th get anything? 1st=175$, 2nd=75$, 3rd= 50

Agree. 4th gets nothing. You must win 2 games in the playoffs if your not a top 2 team to win cash.

[alamo50]

What's it gonna be FWDT?

:greedy

[ATRAIN]

Hey Dan nice ERA with Beckett there lmao

[Thunder Dan]

it's still early....Beckett did shit the bed last night though. Tough to overcome with Lee on the DL

[ATRAIN]

it's still early....Beckett did shit the bed last night though. Tough to overcome with Lee on the DL

Thought you had the best team and bench?

[ATRAIN]

You are gonna give Whott a 10-0 victory lol. Pretty sad with all the crap you were saying that he was the worst team.

[Thunder Dan]

Thought you had the best team and bench?

my lineup is nuts. My pitching is my weakness if I have one. Nothing has changed. My lineup put up good numbers last night. Just disappointed in Beckett

[ATRAIN]

my lineup is nuts. My pitching is my weakness if I have one. Nothing has changed. My lineup put up good numbers last night. Just disappointed in Beckett

Sure Dan if that makes you feel better. The baseball Karma gods are laughing at you right now.

[Thunder Dan]

Sure Dan if that makes you feel better. The baseball Karma gods are laughing at you right now.

he is starting Casey Blake, Clint Barmes and Pudge....i'm not worried about hitting

[ATRAIN]

he is starting Casey Blake, Clint Barmes and Pudge....i'm not worried about hitting

Normally I would say you are right but the Karma train is taking a shit on you.

[Thunder Dan]

Normally I would say you are right but the Karma train is taking a shit on you.

yeah but I'm in it for the marathon not the sprint. Karma could cost me this week, but my team is karma proof. Look at my lineup....shit is the bees knees.

[Thunder Dan]

I do have the best team name ever in fantasy now that I've changed it. you all have to admit. It intimidates

[Thunder Dan]

GET SOME!!!

http://judgmentalobserver.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/mike_0644.jpg

[FromWayDowntown]

it's still early....Beckett did shit the bed last night though. Tough to overcome with Lee on the DL

Oh come on, you can just rely on a boatload of relievers to overcome that bad start.

[Thunder Dan]

Oh come on, you can just rely on a boatload of relievers to overcome that bad start.

I have a bunch of starters.

[Melmart1]

Re: 4th place ... I don't see a problem giving $25 to 4th place. They aren't making any money, just getting their fee back. I think if you make it past the 1st round of the playoffs, you deserve to get your fee back.

[Thunder Dan]

Re: 4th place ... I don't see a problem giving $25 to 4th place. They aren't making any money, just getting their fee back. I think if you make it past the 1st round of the playoffs, you deserve to get your fee back.

that's loser mentality. I bet you like soccer.

I say winner takes all. No prizes for anyone else

[ATRAIN]

that's loser mentality. I bet you like soccer.

I say winner takes all. No prizes for anyone else

She likes the Rangers, might as well like Soccer.

I say top 3 get money.

[ATRAIN]

Placido Palanco with 6 RBIs?? WTF is that crap!! God I hate playing against Albert Puljos!!

[Melmart1]

She likes the Rangers, might as well like Soccer.

I say top 3 get money.

My Rangers are winners. Silver Boot Champions, baby!

[ATRAIN]

My Rangers are winners. Silver Boot Champions, baby!

Yeah thats the equivalent to first prize at the county fair.

[Melmart1]

Yeah thats the equivalent to first prize at the county fair.

So would that make the Astros the rodeo clowns?

[Thunder Dan]

all you talking shit about my pitching can eat my ass. I have a decent ERA and WHIP now

[djohn2oo8]

Did anyone else see that monster blast by Jason Heyward?

[djohn2oo8]

Zambrano, you fat fuck!!! Killing my rotation with an era of 54.00

[RedsLakers24]

Zambrano, you fat fuck!!! Killing my rotation with an era of 54.00

LOL my pitcher Nick Masset did that, he had a 45.00 era

[ATRAIN]

So would that make the Astros the rodeo clowns?

if you ever visit the juice box make sure and take pictures of the NL championship banner, that means that won more than 1 playoff game.

[Melmart1]

if you ever visit the juice box make sure and take pictures of the NL championship banner, that means that won more than 1 playoff game.

Could you have sounded more like a Mavs fan?

[djohn2oo8]

Could you have sounded more like a Mavs fan?

It's harder to win in baseball than basketball...162 games compared to 82

[Thunder Dan]

Bob Howery did some hanging and Kyle Blanks did some banging!

[whottt]

Bob Howery did some hanging and Kyle Blanks did some banging!

Waitasecond...are you saying a guy on your team actually hit a home run?


Holy shit! This just may revolutionize the game.


Take a well deserved bow Dan, for the ground you just broke.

You pioneer you.

[yavozerb]

It's harder to win in baseball than basketball...162 games compared to 82

amount of games in a season mean nothing...I guess the NFL is really easy to win since its only 16 games in the regular season?:rolleyes

[ATRAIN]

Could you have sounded more like a Mavs fan?

That funny I was going to say the same about you. Celebrating the silver boot the way the mavs celebrate the trip to the finals and beating the spurs along the way. Pathetic Rangers fan!!

[Melmart1]

That funny I was going to say the same about you. Celebrating the silver boot the way the mavs celebrate the trip to the finals and beating the spurs along the way. Pathetic Rangers fan!!

I don't celebrate the Silver Boot. I bring it up because it makes you mad. I've told you this before, but instead of ceasing to comment on it, you take the bait every time. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

[ATRAIN]

I don't celebrate the Silver Boot. I bring it up because it makes you mad. I've told you this before, but instead of ceasing to comment on it, you take the bait every time. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Yeah sure you dont, its what all Rangers fans hold on to cause they have nothing else.

[Melmart1]

Yeah sure you dont, its what all Rangers fans hold on to cause they have nothing else.

Here is one thing I have that you don't regarding my favorite team ... hope.

[ATRAIN]

Here is one thing I have that you don't regarding my favorite team ... hope.

hahaha yeah a fools hope :lol

[FromWayDowntown]

Yeah sure you dont, its what all Rangers fans hold on to cause they have nothing else.

Is this essentially saying: "At least my team was good enough to get swept in the World Series five years ago."

That's what it reads like.

[ATRAIN]

Is this essentially saying: "At least my team was good enough to get swept in the World Series five years ago."

That's what it reads like.

No its saying at least at one point my team was good enough to make it to the dance.

[Thunder Dan]

arguing who is better the Rangers or Astros is like asking would you rather eat shit or diarrhea

[Melmart1]

No its saying at least at one point my team was good enough to make it to the dance.

You complain about Cowboys fans living in the past, but at least their team were champions. You hanging your bragging right on a National League pennant sounds like Mavfan hanging their hat on the Western Conference trophy from a few years back.

[ATRAIN]

You complain about Cowboys fans living in the past, but at least their team were champions. You hanging your bragging right on a National League pennant sounds like Mavfan hanging their hat on the Western Conference trophy from a few years back.

says the person that is trying to "bait" me with the stupid silverboot smack :lol. Oh yeah and I believe I already said exactlly this to you about your silverboot smack "sounds like Mavfan hanging their hat on the Western Conference trophy from a few years back"

[Melmart1]

says the person that is trying to "bait" me with the stupid silverboot smack :lol. Oh yeah and I believe I already said exactlly this to you about your silverboot smack "sounds like Mavfan hanging their hat on the Western Conference trophy from a few years back"

If you can't tell the difference between baiting you w/ the Silver Boot and you being serious about your team "at least" making it to the WS, then you should just fall on your sword.

[ATRAIN]

If you can't tell the difference between baiting you w/ the Silver Boot and you being serious about your team "at least" making it to the WS, then you should just fall on your sword.

As a fan that had never seen my team in the series I was happy to see them there. I had low expectations going into it. Yes I was happy just to see them there and of course I wanted them to win. Its just like in football. Yes I want the Texans to win it all but at this point ill be happy for a trip to the playoffs even if we lose. Of course if the Stros made it to the series again in my lifetime just making it wont be an option anymore, however at this point I will be happy to see them make it to the playoffs once again. You keep saying you are baiting me, but I ask you this.......why? Whats the point? Just trying to gloat that your team is in a better situation at this point? Either way neither team would be able to make a run to the series. You think the silverboot smack bothers me and thats why you are trying to "bait" me. That stupid if you are serious. Just let it go, neither team is close to being a championship team right now. The fact that we are even talking about a made up title that no one but Rangers fans give a shit about is stupid in itself.

[FromWayDowntown]

As an Orioles fan, I freakin' own Rangers fans AND Astros fans.

3 titles, baby!

6 World Series appearances!!!

19-14 record in World Series games!

I own!

[Melmart1]

But we owned you for a whole day! At least we scored 30 runs that one time! /Atrain mentality.

[ATRAIN]

But we owned you for a whole day! At least we scored 30 runs that one time! /Atrain mentality.

Says the one that holds on sooooo tight to the silverboot.

[FromWayDowntown]

But we owned you for a whole day! At least we scored 30 runs that one time! /Atrain mentality.

Hold on to your 30 runs; it may keep you warm at night.

My team flies 3 flags that WE won all within the last 50 years!

[ATRAIN]

Hold on to your 30 runs; it may keep you warm at night.

My team flies 3 flags that WE won all within the last 50 years!

Im suprised the Silverboot isnt in her sig too. Rangers fans hold on to any little thing they can.

[Melmart1]

Im suprised the Silverboot isnt in her sig too. Rangers fans hold on to any little thing they can.

You are like a petulant child who just has to get the last word in. So I will just stop right here, before you resort to something equally childish like nanny-nanny-boo-boo.

[ATRAIN]

You are like a petulant child who just has to get the last word in. So I will just stop right here, before you resort to something equally childish like nanny-nanny-boo-boo.

I win :p:

considering you started it, it was only fair I finish it.

[Melmart1]

I win :p:

considering you started it, it was only fair I finish it.

WHO started it? http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4212343&postcount=415

YOU are the one obsessed w/ me and my team, You brought up the Rangers when nobody else did. We were talking about payouts and YOU brought my team into it.

[ATRAIN]

:lmao
WHO started it? http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4212343&postcount=415

YOU are the one obsessed w/ me and my team, You brought up the Rangers when nobody else did. We were talking about payouts and YOU brought my team into it.

Actually this all started in this thread

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149816

I guess you can say I started it there lol but I was baiting you......guess it worked :lmao

[Melmart1]

And to further my point about your obsession, I will point out that as of right now, not a single Rangers fan has been into the Astros thread to talk shit or try and start anything. But an Astros fan did indeed show up in the Rangers thread to taunt. That Astros fan was you.

[ATRAIN]

OK I was wrong it started here

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149805

Yeah your right I went in there to bait you into it and it worked so well you actually thought you were baiting me. Im not obsessed with either you or your team. I dont even hate your team or the fans. Ill support them just cause they are a Texas team and not a div rival but at the same time ill laugh at them when they fail as they always do. I know my team sucks this year and im not dillusional about it like Rangers fans always are :).

[ATRAIN]

Hey Dan, you are lucky you arent playing me this week, I would be owning you in pretty much every cat.

[florige]

I don't know why you guys are arguing. The damn Yankees are just gonna buy another championship like usual. It a repeat process with those assholes.

[Thunder Dan]

Hey Dan, you are lucky you arent playing me this week, I would be owning you in pretty much every cat.

yeah after one day....alot of games left. My ace is out, and 2 of my top players haven't even had an at bat yet... still early

[RedsLakers24]

As an Orioles fan, I freakin' own Rangers fans AND Astros fans.

3 titles, baby!

6 World Series appearances!!!

19-14 record in World Series games!

I own!

How do feel Nick Markakis and Adam Jones are going to do this season?

[Thunder Dan]

How do feel Nick Markakis and Adam Jones are going to do this season?

Markakis has always been an overrated underachiever. He is like the 2009 and 2009 Fransisco Liriano.

[ATRAIN]

yeah after one day....alot of games left. My ace is out, and 2 of my top players haven't even had an at bat yet... still early

Im still going to beat you at the end of the week. BOOK IT!!

[Thunder Dan]

Im still going to beat you at the end of the week. BOOK IT!!

yeah but the bet is the end of the regular season

[ATRAIN]

yeah but the bet is the end of the regular season

well thats going to happen to

[florige]

I am curious as to how many Cy young awards Brian Maduz is going to win. He has four pitches that he can throw for strikes.

[whottt]

yeah after one day....alot of games left. My ace is out, and 2 of my top players haven't even had an at bat yet... still early

Oh please. I don't want to hear about your injuries after all the shit you talk.

[Thunder Dan]

lol Dallas Braden, LoL Mike Gonzalez

[Thunder Dan]

man whott your offense sucks. You may not get 200 RBI's all year

[whottt]

And to think my team is totally healthy, unlike yours :tu

[Thunder Dan]

And to think my team is totally healthy, unlike yours :tu

you have no depth, I do. that is where championships are won.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

Vernon Wells with 4 homers in 3 games, great start

[Thunder Dan]

Vernon Wells with 4 homers in 3 games, great start

this year's chris shelton and Emillio Bonafacio

[whottt]

you have no depth, I do. that is where championships are won.

I have no depth because I drafted a bunch of injured players that will begin to come off the DL next week. I didn't build my team to win the first week of the season...I didn't do it last year either.

[alamo50]

Vernon Wells with 4 homers in 3 games, great start

And I kept his old ass on the bench for the 1st 2.
Won't mather much in this current matchup though.

:king

[yavozerb]

As for this year's payments, you can send them to me via PayPal (ps://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_home-general&nav=0).

My e-mail address for that account is: [email protected]

payment sent..

[Thunder Dan]

Whott's MVP

http://isportsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mike-gonzalez.jpg

[Thunder Dan]

the train is rolling! 7-3 start. Coming at FWD this week!

[yavozerb]

the train is rolling! 7-3 start. Coming at FWD this week!

:toast..good job your 1-0.

[ATRAIN]

Rough Matchup for me and didnt get to start Roy yesterday :(.

[Thunder Dan]

Rough Matchup for me and didnt get to start Roy yesterday :(.

you need to Iphone App.

[ATRAIN]

you need to Iphone App.

Well I have it on my Droid but I checked it too late

[Thunder Dan]

Well I have it on my Droid but I checked it too late

you don't have the commitment to excellence like I do then

[Melmart1]

My team really sucked last week, but I wasn't anticipating a first-week championship so I think they will bounce back.

[Thunder Dan]

My team really sucked last week, but I wasn't anticipating a first-week championship so I think they will bounce back.

with your team, I wouldn't expect a 25 week championship.

The only team that can stop me is Slayer, I said it at the start of the season

[ATRAIN]

you don't have the commitment to excellence like I do then

I was outa town and my roster was the last thing on my mind. Either way ill be fine.

[Thunder Dan]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2761843680_58e38c0ce4.jpg?v=0

[FromWayDowntown]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2761843680_58e38c0ce4.jpg?v=0

The silliness of the Raiders being associated with a Commitment to Excellence at this point in time is like Dan proclaiming himself the Greatest Fantasy Baseball GM of All-Time.

[Thunder Dan]

The silliness of the Raiders being associated with a Commitment to Excellence at this point in time is like Dan proclaiming himself the Greatest Fantasy Baseball GM of All-Time.

I never said all time, I just said All-Time in this league. Before I came around this league was minor leagues. Since I came around I'm bringing this to a whole new level. You need to step your game up if you hope to win this league thanks to me. I'm doing the same thing the Raiders have been doing since they entered the AFL in the 1960s.

[yavozerb]

Rough Matchup for me and didnt get to start Roy yesterday :(.

ooohhh, thats why you lost...Guess we dont have to worry bout that week 1 loss keeping me out of the playoffs then.::rollin

[yavozerb]

FWD, did you get my pmnt?

[ATRAIN]

ooohhh, thats why you lost...Guess we dont have to worry bout that week 1 loss keeping me out of the playoffs then.::rollin

Well I would have tied it 4-4 by winning the Strike outs cat. Your team put up a crapload of RBI's, and Runs. No one in the league would have been able to beat you.

[yavozerb]

Well I would have tied it 4-4 by winning the Strike outs cat. Your team put up a crapload of RBI's, and Runs. No one in the league would have been able to beat you.

Just giving you a hard time, good game..Both our teams should be in the playoffs I think though.

[ATRAIN]

Just giving you a hard time, good game..Both our teams should be in the playoffs I think though.

It was a good matchup. The way net saves/net stolen bases might help me win that category from time to time. Looking foward to our next matchup. My homerun hitters were on pace to do really well but the end of the week sucked for me.

[yavozerb]

It was a good matchup. The way net saves/net stolen bases might help me win that category from time to time. Looking foward to our next matchup. My homerun hitters were on pace to do really well but the end of the week sucked for me.

Ya, I was pretty happy with my position players but my pitchers really sucked..Zambrano almost single handily ruined my pitching stats..

[FromWayDowntown]

FWD, did you get my pmnt?

Yes. Thank you.

[ATRAIN]

Yes. Thank you.

Its 25 right?

[FromWayDowntown]

For the record, I have payments from 9 of the 12 owners in the league.

Without trying to call anyone out, I can allocate 8 payments to specific owners:

slayer
ThunderDan
Texas Hexes
alamo
yavozerb
Melmart1
whottt
FWD

There is a 9th that I haven't yet been able to allocate -- have an idea, but I'd appreciate it if that person would e-mail me directly at: [email protected].

If you haven't yet paid, please do so as soon as you can. If you need payment instructions, let me know.

[FromWayDowntown]

Its 25 right?

Yessir.

[Thunder Dan]

you better bring your game this week FWD.

[RedsLakers24]

For the record, I have payments from 9 of the 12 owners in the league.

Without trying to call anyone out, I can allocate 8 payments to specific owners:

slayer
ThunderDan
Texas Hexes
alamo
yavozerb
Melmart1
whottt
FWD

There is a 9th that I haven't yet been able to allocate -- have an idea, but I'd appreciate it if that person would e-mail me directly at: [email protected].

If you haven't yet paid, please do so as soon as you can. If you need payment instructions, let me know.

Ill pay you on Friday, can i also get payment instructions?

[ATRAIN]

For the record, I have payments from 9 of the 12 owners in the league.

Without trying to call anyone out, I can allocate 8 payments to specific owners:

slayer
ThunderDan
Texas Hexes
alamo
yavozerb
Melmart1
whottt
FWD

There is a 9th that I haven't yet been able to allocate -- have an idea, but I'd appreciate it if that person would e-mail me directly at: [email protected].

If you haven't yet paid, please do so as soon as you can. If you need payment instructions, let me know.

Just sent mine

[Thunder Dan]

Reds, did you really think I would accpet that trade or were you just fucking with me? I laughed when I saw it but then realized I fuck with people too. Olivo/Beckham for Drew and Molina? JD Drew isn't even ownable in this league, and Beckham is one of the most valuable players in this format

[FromWayDowntown]

you better bring your game this week FWD.

We'll see. I'm sitting in a trial right now. Kind of busy. But my team is also, as I feared, probably not very good.

[FromWayDowntown]

Just sent mine

Got it.