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05-02-2005, 01:35 PM
Manu to the rescue
By Skip Bayless
Page 2
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/050502

Surely the San Antonio Spurs were in trouble.

Tied 1-1 in their first-round playoff series with the Denver Nuggets, the NBA's hottest team since the All-Star break, the Spurs were at the wrong place (the Pepsi Center, where the Nuggets were 19-1 under coach George Karl) at the wrong time (for Saturday night's Game 3). The Pepsi was about to explode like a shook-up soft drink.

The Spurs would have been in trouble in Game 3 ... if not for Mr. Ginobili.
The Nuggets had jumped ahead 10-3, and San Antonio's best player, Tim Duncan, looked like he needed a caffeine fix. During a timeout, Spurs coach Gregg Popovich berated Duncan, basically telling him to get his head in the game. Duncan had been flat-footed on defense and as flat as an opened, day-old Pepsi on offense. He already had two fouls, one on a charge.

Amazing how the best player on what many coaches consider the NBA's best team can be so unpredictably passive and often unselfish to a fault.

Also out of it was point guard Tony Parker, whose mind had perhaps drifted toward his next date with his squeeze, Eva Longoria. Hard to blame him.

So with 6:58 left in the first quarter, and San Antonio down 14-8, in came the Spurs' sixth man. Wait a second, Manu Ginobili no longer starts? How in the name of Allen Iverson can a man make the All-Star team, then agree one game into the playoffs to let Brent Barry start so Barry can immediately get into the offensive flow?

BY THE NUMBERS
U.S.-born white All-Stars since 2000:
Brad Miller (2003-04)
Wally Szczerbiak (2002)
John Stockton (2000)

Total: 4 appearances

Non-U.S. white All-Stars since 2000:
Manu Ginobili (2005)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (2003, 2005)
Dirk Nowitzki (2002-2005)
Steve Nash (2002-03, 2005)
Peja Stojakovic (2002-04)
Andrei Kirilenko (2004)
Vlade Divac (2001)

Total: 15 appearances
Man, oh, Manu.

Yet Ginobili didn't have the lackadaisical body language of a pouter. No, he hit Denver like a blizzard of slashing, swooping, sprawling energy. He was all over the floor, playing with an intensity unbecoming of a true star. He dove for loose balls and lazy passes. He cut through Denver's interior defense -- Kenyon Martin, Marcus Camby and Carmelo Anthony -- like it was a house of wax. He hit circus shots off the glass, jumpers on the break and three-pointers out of the half-court offense.

Manu Ginobili took over the game and the arena. He scored 19 in the first half, 32 in total. Though the Spurs got just 11 points from Duncan and 10 from Parker, they won, 86-78. And they have the momentum heading into Game 4 tonight.

Near the end of Game 3, an obviously frustrated Carmelo basically clotheslined Ginobili as he attacked the basket one last time. Anthony was ejected.

And after the game, an even more frustrated Karl said of Ginobili: "I'm going to put in a tape and show my son how to play basketball -- just put your head down and run into people. I guess that's the new brand of basketball. It's not very pretty. He just goes in there and throws his arms up in the air and throws his elbows at us. He hits you as much as you hit him."

That is not true. That's just Karl, begging the refs to give his team some breaks.

Ginobili definitely will flop on defense, trying to draw charges. And he'll definitely launch himself into a rather melodramatic fall, arms flailing, to convince the ref he was hammered on a drive.

But mostly, Ginobili used his savvy and fearlessness and quickness and quick-jumping ability to beat Denver defenders to the rack. He doesn't throw elbows. But his are sharp, and if defenders challenge him in flight, Ginobili will leave his marks.

You can't help but enjoy Ginobili's slashing style of play.
But this is not a dirty player.

This is a man who embodies the guts and spirit and fundamentals and basketball IQ that have distinguished the invasion of internationally-bred players.

Growing up in Argentina, Ginobili wasn't conditioned as a kid to believe he couldn't compete with black players. That, basically, is what has happened to so many American white kids. They give up basketball by high school, because, as the movie title said, "White Men Can't Jump."

Too many American white kids have been intimidated by the prospect of having to compete against black players. But the nonblack players coming from leagues overseas are not afraid of anyone of any color on a basketball court. They are utterly confident doing the things they do best, and the only fear they have is of failure. In many cases, the NBA is also their way out of poverty.

So now we've seen Ginobili, Dirk Nowitzki and Peja Stojakovic become stars. Steve Nash, who played college basketball at Santa Clara, but grew up in Canada, has turned into an MVP candidate. The NBA hasn't had an American-bred white star since John Stockton. Sacramento's Brad Miller and Minnesota's Wally Szczerbiak have made an All-Star team, but neither are considered a big "star."

Now, Chicago's Kirk Hinrich, a high school coach's kid from Iowa, looks like he could become a perennial All-Star. But the point is, the kids from leagues abroad are routinely better shooters and smarter, tougher all-around basketball players.

After the Spurs drafted the 6-foot-6 Ginobili near the bottom of the second round, with the 57th pick, he spent three years learning the game in Europe. Spurs insiders chuckle over the times Ginobili, as an NBA rookie, was trash-talked during games by defenders. Ginobili understands and speaks good English, but on the court, defenders might as well be speaking Greek to him.

He isn't listening. He's playing.

In Europe, he played in much crazier arenas than Denver's.

Argentina's Olympic team -- featuring Ginobili and Andres Nocioni -- embarrassed Team USA on the way to last summer's gold medal. Now, Nocioni has become the guts of the Bulls' underrated defense.

During the regular season, Nocioni was suspended for allegedly throwing an elbow at Detroit's Tayshaun Prince. Miami coach Stan Van Gundy called Nocioni a "punk," while Detroit coach Larry Brown let him off with just "dirty."

Nocioni told reporters: "When did I do something dirty? When? Because I tried to deny the ball? Is that dirty play? I play defense. How many times do you see me throwing an elbow or punching somebody? I don't understand the American player."

Translation: Nocioni doesn't want to fight. He just wants to play hard, smart basketball, and he expects his American opponents to do the same.

Ditto, Ginobili.

Another Argentinian, Andres Nocioni, has become a huge player for the Bulls.
Deep down, George Karl respects Ginobili's game almost as much as he respects the Spurs. In fact, late in Sunday's interview session, almost as an aside to reporters, Karl said, "It just ticks me off we're playing San Antonio."

The Spurs are the kind of team that Karl dreams of coaching. In fact, as an unemployed coach, Karl spent part of the preseason in San Antonio studying the way the Spurs play basketball. The Spurs play the NBA's best coordinated defense and unselfish offense.

Ginobili probably could average 30 points for a bad team. But on this one, he scores when needed. On Saturday night, he was desperately needed.

So we were treated to the Ginobili who scored 48 in an overtime win at Phoenix.

As Karl said after Game 2: "The Spurs are the best team in the league. Not the most talented team -- but the best team."

Not the networks' or fans' favorite. But the best t-e-a-m -- the NBA's New England Patriots.

The Spurs aren't the run-and-fun Suns, who consider defense an afterthought. And the Spurs aren't the Nuggets, who blazed through the second half of the season mostly riding a flying-circus offense.

As Ginobili told ESPN's Jim Gray at halftime of Game 3: "The Nuggets don't play great defense. If we make the extra pass, we'll get open shots."

He wasn't talking trash. He was just stating a fact.

A fact that tortures Karl's coaching soul.

kolko
05-02-2005, 01:40 PM
Great article.

Jimcs50
05-02-2005, 02:16 PM
As Ginobili told ESPN's Jim Gray at halftime of Game 3: "The Nuggets don't play great defense. If we make the extra pass, we'll get open shots."

He wasn't talking trash. He was just stating a fact.

A fact that tortures Karl's coaching soul.


Poor Karl.
:)

picnroll
05-02-2005, 02:22 PM
I wonder if our Argentinian friends are still having a national crisis over Manu coming off the bench or if all the fame he's receiving riding to the Spurs rescue has restored their dignity and they've seen the wisdom of Pop's ways.

MiNuS
05-02-2005, 02:22 PM
"As Ginobili told ESPN's Jim Gray at halftime of Game 3: "The Nuggets don't play great defense. If we make the extra pass, we'll get open shots."

He wasn't talking trash. He was just stating a fact."


the truth hurts,Karl.


Tonights game will be even uglier than Saturdays.Technical gallore.Ejections!

The Desperate Nuggets will fightlike girls tonight!


-+=

warri0r
05-02-2005, 03:12 PM
Snooze, bayless the biggest SA homer out there

Obstructed_View
05-02-2005, 03:14 PM
Snooze, bayless the biggest SA homer out there

Bayless ownz U...

MaNuMaNiAc
05-02-2005, 03:20 PM
I wonder if our Argentinian friends are still having a national crisis over Manu coming off the bench or if all the fame he's receiving riding to the Spurs rescue has restored their dignity and they've seen the wisdom of Pop's ways.
hey picnroll, don't assume ALL of us Argentinians don't know enough basketball to understand the move. The ones that complain are mostly soccer fans that turned to basketball just because an Argentinian was getting popular, and in those cases it has to do more with nationalism than actual love for the game. You see in soccer, the bench IS a downgrade. Bench players are usually not regarded as highly as starters, but thats soccer, and most true Argentinian basketball fans understand that soccer and basketball are two different things. By the way, there's no national crisis over here, all the complaining lasted 1 day, and that was it. Even bandwagoners understand by this juncture.

nkdlunch
05-02-2005, 03:22 PM
This article was confusing. What's his point when he mentions American-bred white ballers being intimidated?? Everyone knows black ppl are better at sports but not everyone is intimidated

picnroll
05-02-2005, 03:25 PM
MaNuMaNia Curious, on a percentage basis how many Argentinian Manu fans would you guess actually know basketball, not just know a few rules, and how many Manu fans are casual bandwagon fans new to the sport.

A lot of the Manu fans from Argentina on this board were pretty indigninant and for all I know still are. From a publicity standpoint this selflessnes, riding to the rescue is raising his profile even higher here.

texbumTHElife
05-02-2005, 03:27 PM
This article was confusing. What's his point when he mentions American-bred white ballers being intimidated?? Everyone knows black ppl are better at sports but not everyone is intimidated


:huh

You go to the same school as Jermaine O'Neal or what?

MaNuMaNiAc
05-02-2005, 03:46 PM
MaNuMaNia Curious, on a percentage basis how many Argentinian Manu fans would you guess actually know basketball, not just know a few rules, and how many Manu fans are casual bandwagon fans new to the sport.Well, if you had asked me that question 2 or 3 years ago I might have said 10% true basketball fans and 90% bandwagoners. However, I don't know if we could call everyone who started watching NBA when Manu started, a bandwagoner. by now most bandwagoners from 3 years ago are abid fans of the game, with bona fide actual knowledge of its workings. However you have to take into account that football is like religion over here (people actually die to get tickets for an important game, rivalries (sadly) turn to blood feuds over this sport). In fact some of the best basketball teams in Argentina are owned by major football clubs, aka Boca Juniors, River Plate, etc.. In a country whose national basketball league is a very distant second to our national football league, the amount of people that follow the game is amazing. I don't even mention the NBA because it is non-existant over here, or at least it was. In Argentina, an ESPN broadcast of a televised NBA game is as common as the Aurora Borealis is over the North Pole.

To answer your question picnroll, I think that today, 35% to 40% of the country watches baketball (wether its ONLY NBA broadcasts, or actual Argentinian League) and of that percentage I'd say 60% are actual basketball fans, and the rest are Manu bandwagoners (for now).

nkdlunch
05-02-2005, 03:47 PM
:huh

You go to the same school as Jermaine O'Neal or what?

:lol nah, I just thought this guy rambled all over the place in his article.

Athenea
05-02-2005, 03:58 PM
I wonder if our Argentinian friends are still having a national crisis over Manu coming off the bench or if all the fame he's receiving riding to the Spurs rescue has restored their dignity and they've seen the wisdom of Pop's ways.
Did u become less of an American last Olympics? :rolleyes
If u think my nationalism is attached to Manu's performances in the Spurs uni, you are CRAAAAAAZY!!!
My Argentinean pride has such deep roots, it wouldn't be hurt by any sport event.

picnroll
05-02-2005, 04:02 PM
Thanks MaNuMaNia personally I'm beginning to see great value in Manu coming off the bench full time but not primarily for some of the reasons most are emphasising which are limiting his minutes which I don't think it will and as a spark. The big value I see is that when he's on the floor with TD and Parker touches are shared between those three. When he's on the floor with the secondary unit he gets more touches/minute and when Manu's on the floor I want the ball in his hands.

Calm down athenia. Tongue in cheek. Jeez.

ALVAREZ6
05-02-2005, 04:05 PM
This article needs to be sent to that denver tool, Linicome.

picnroll
05-02-2005, 04:13 PM
btw it just occured to me Scola always came off the bench for the Argentian national team. Was he considered a lesser player? Manu was the brightest star but was Scola considered a major player along with Nocioni, Oberto, etc?

MaNuMaNiAc
05-02-2005, 04:26 PM
btw it just occured to me Scola always came off the bench for the Argentian national team. Was he considered a lesser player? Manu was the brightest star but was Scola considered a major player along with Nocioni, Oberto, etc?
Ofcourse not! Scola is not considered a lesser player. If anything I believe Scolas role as a bench player was much like Manu's is now. To provide energy and scoring power off the bench.

Athenea
05-02-2005, 07:27 PM
Calm down athenia. Tongue in cheek. Jeez.
Another hata :depressed :lol :lol

Marhq
05-02-2005, 07:41 PM
I disagree with Manumania here. The soccer thing doesn't make sense IMO. Giving importance to being in the starting lineup is not just a soccer thing. The NBA itself, in general, thinks that way. If not, why do you think everybody is talking about how humble and professional Manu is for accepting the switch? Why other players would refuse such a move and rather not play at all?

Manumania, I don't know for how long you've been watching basketball or if you've ever played it, but I don't care because I won't say that you don't know nothing about basketball (or anything else for that matter) in order to rebut what you're saying. I ask you to do the same.

I think most people understood what was Pop trying to do when he sent Manu to the bench, but that doesn't mean that they have to like it. Most people realize that Pop is one of the finest coaches in the league and knows more than anybody posting in Manu's website, and they still don't like the move. They heard Manu saying that he doesn't give a s*** as long as it helps to make the team better and they believe him. They want to see Manu starting nonetheless.

In my case, I'm OK with him coming from the bench given that his gets his minutes and finishes the games. But I still think that being a starter gives somewhat of a recognition and I find that 'reverse logic', in which if you suck badly enough you're gonna get the starting job, to be very annoying.

MaNuMaNiAc
05-02-2005, 07:53 PM
Manumania, I don't know for how long you've been watching basketball or if you've ever played it, but I don't care because I won't say that you don't know nothing about basketball (or anything else for that matter) in order to rebut what you're saying. I ask you to do the same.

LOL I don't know if I should be mad or flattered. Its alright you have a right to disagree with me. Although I think that if people really understood the reason for the switch then they wouldn't be mad. If people knew that the bench is not a downgrade, then they wouldn't be mad. Either way, I stand by what I said.

Marhq
05-02-2005, 08:39 PM
Neither. My point is that you shouldn't call ignorants those who disagree with you.

MaNuMaNiAc
05-02-2005, 08:51 PM
Neither. My point is that you shouldn't call ignorants those who disagree with you.???? PLEEEEAAASE tell me where it is I said "ignorants"??? WHO DID I CALL AN IGNORANT???

ShoogarBear
05-02-2005, 08:54 PM
I'm sorry, but I just have to interject . . .

$31,500!!!????

MaNuMaNiAc
05-02-2005, 11:49 PM
I'm sorry, but I just have to interject . . .

$31,500!!!????
LOL