Panathinaikos Is Trying To Get Tiago Splitter

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

It seem that I am still in banishment from Spurs board. So anyway, this is international so it should belong here also. And also this way then Spurs fans can read so they can see it also.

I have hear from inside tip Panathinaikos is already prepare their offer for Tiago Splitter for this summer. The starting center of PAO Nikola Pekovic will be coming to NBA so they will want Splitter to replace him. Splitter can get up to full MLE of NBA for 5 years which is in the 5 years $40 millions gross contract.

Panathinaikos is offer 5 years and €13.75 million euros in the net. This is with exchange rate of today = 5 years and $18.764 million dollars in the net. Splitter in Spurs will not have to pay state tax in Texas so this will help Spurs offer.

But he will must pay federal tax of 35%, also he must pay agent fee of 4%, and also he must pay player union retirement fee of 8%. So this mean even with no state tax he will lose 47% of the salary from Spurs. So this means the $40 million gross = $21.2 millions net.

To make up for the last $2.5 millions difference, will Splitter get free house, free maid and butler, free chef, free driver, all expenses and bills pay for him, free school for his kids if he want in future, and also if he wants the free boat. This is first offer from Panathinaikos. So the 2.75 million euros a year net they can maybe even raise to 3.

So if Spurs wants him they must pay at minimum all 5 years of full MLE and also for sure guarantee he will be starting center. Is clear from such starting offer from PAO that Splitter will be able to make many demands to the Spurs.

[symple19]

hahahahaha, KBP in this bitch

Let the good times roll

[IronMexican]

fuck

[redzero]

fuck

[symple19]

fuck

:lmao

[mogrovejo]

Lol

[Dex]

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[Kai]

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[symple19]

redzero

your sigs are epic :lol

[redzero]

ITT: European players, and why they're better than Americans in every conceivable way.

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[Kill_Bill_Pana]

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is this girlfriend? She is very nice.

[symple19]

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is this girlfriend? She is very nice.

Unfortunately, no. But those well crafted tits are loudly repping my school

[TDMVPDPOY]

is pana greek owners usin the EU for a bailout package so they can buy splitter?

he has a better chance of makn money in america with endorsements and sponsorships from HEB

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

How's Arkansas these days?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

is pana greek owners usin the EU for a bailout package so they can buy splitter?

Actually this is not even big offer from PAO. Wilkins and Jasikevicius salaries were much larger than that from PAO.

[symple19]

is pana greek owners usin the EU for a bailout package so they can buy splitter?

Good question...:lol

How is the greek league doing while in the midst of the epic financial meltdown in your country KBP?

[redzero]

your sigs are epic :lol

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[Double-Up]

lol Jew lies!!!

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Good question...:lol

How is the greek league doing while in the midst of the epic financial meltdown in your country KBP?

Meltdown? Germany gave them money. Is bad but not as bad as US economy which is far worse.

[symple19]

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Who was blowing shotguns to this mutt??????????

[Indazone]

OMG KillBill is back!

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

OMG KillBill is back!

Yes but it seem I cannot use spurs forum. D you know how i can get in there or is this new rule here? I am list as Spurs fan so I am not sure. I think I should have access to it. Or are they now keeping us out of there?

[Indazone]

lol you are definately on probation.

[Indazone]

Chumpdumper in 5...4...3...2... LOL

[sook]

no appreciation for asking you to get unbanned KBP?

I see how it is...

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Damn he is really dedicated to maintaining this Eastern European who sucks at English persona. Well done (I guess).

[redzero]

Damn he is really dedicated to maintaining this Eastern European who sucks at English persona. Well done (I guess).

I don't get that. I'm no KBP expert, is he really pretending to be European?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

no appreciation for asking you to get unbanned KBP?

I see how it is...

Yes. Much thanks for that.

[nkdlunch]

your fake greek accent is rusty. work on that son

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I don't get that. I'm no KBP expert, is he really pretending to be European?


The I.P. address he posts from is in Arkansas.

[endrity]

Angela Merkel is really happy that her country taxpayers' money will be spent on Tiago Splitter. Workers from Berlin to Munich are extatic right now............ NOT!

p.s Welcome back!

p.s2 Is Spanoulis still the greatest PG in Europe or is Rubio starting to overtake him?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

p.s Welcome back!

p.s2 Is Spanoulis still the greatest PG in Europe or is Rubio starting to overtake him?

What? Is this serious? No one in Europe considers Rubio among the best point guards in Europe. He is a good player for age 19 and just that. And not even the best at his age either. He is not considered to be among the best players in Europe to anyone except NBA scouts and NBA fans who probably they did not ever watch him.

[endrity]

What? Is this serious? No one in Europe considers Rubio among the best point guards in Europe. He is a good player for age 19 and just that. And not even the best at his age either. He is not considered to be among the best players in Europe to anyone except NBA scouts and NBA fans who probably they did not ever watch him.

He just tore Real Madrid to pieces in the Spanish Cup final!

[Brazil]

KBP is a liar it's all LIES !!!!!!!!!

[endrity]

Big conspiracy!!!!

[Kai]

What do you think about Sergio Llull, KBP?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

He just tore Real Madrid to pieces in the Spanish Cup final!

You are NBA only fan. I am not starting any arguments here again to get ban again. But fact is Rubio is consider nowhere close to best players in Europe. Actually this is like a big joke to even discuss it with Euroleague fans.

Is like say "so is Brandon Jennings now the best point guard in NBA"?

Rubio will probably be a great player in the future. For now he is average Euroleague level player and maybe perhaps the second best player in Euroleague at his age. But to put him as best point guard in Euroleague is hilarious and ridiculous thing. There are many point guards much better than him still.

[endrity]

You are NBA only fan. I am not starting any arguments here again to get ban again. But fact is Rubio is consider nowhere close to best players in Europe. Actually this is like a big joke to even discuss it with Euroleague fans.

Is like say "so is Brandon Jennings now the best point guard in NBA"?

Rubio will probably be a great player in the future. For now he is average Euroleague level player and maybe perhaps the second best player in Euroleague at his age. But to put him as best point guard in Euroleague is hilarious and ridiculous thing. There are many point guards much better than him still.

Ok honest talk, who is the first?

I'll give you that he is not the top player in Europe, not close, right now but who is a better prospect than him?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

What do you think about Sergio Llull, KBP?

First in this moment for sure better than NBA hero boy Rubio. But this does not mean so much as many European point guards are still much better than Rubio.

Lull is not yet I think among top level point guards in Europe. There is still plenty that are probably better than him. But he is a very good player already. He is young and improving. I like him a lot as a player.

He could be nice player for Rockets on offense if he came to NBA in the future. But I think his defense is weak. But overall he will be fine. The defense in NBA at point guard position is very very poor. The only NBA point guard that is good in defense is Billups. So it really does not even matter since the NBA made the no hand checks rules. Lull is no defense and is very athletic and explosive so no hand checks rules are perfect for him.

In Euroleague defense is very hard and very physical. There would be 5-10 fouls on each time down floor if it was call like NBA game. So the rules will let Llull go wherever he needs on court and his bad defense will not matter. In Europe it matters but not in NBA since no one can guard at point position anyway because of the rules.

[mogrovejo]

LOL

He'll answer Teodosic (who's an excellent player, but has no chance of playing in the NBA).

And there a lot of European fans who think Rubio is already the best PG in Europe. In fact KBP was in the minority in this discussion in an Euroleague message board just a couple of weeks ago.

Rubio is the best PG in Europe and, tbh, it's not even close. People are just slow to catch up with this kind of stuff. The question is if he's already the best European PG.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Ok honest talk, who is the first?

I'll give you that he is not the top player in Europe, not close, right now but who is a better prospect than him?

I say at his same age. I meant 19 years old players playing right now in Euroleague. I did not mean to say he second best prospect. Two different things.

Right now best age 19 Euroleague player is 100% Vesely.

[endrity]

LOL

He'll answer Teodosic (who's an excellent player, but has no chance of playing in the NBA).

And there a lot of European fans who think Rubio is already the best PG in Europe. In fact KBP was in the minority in this discussion in an Euroleague message board just a couple of weeks ago.

Rubio is the best PG in Europe and, tbh, it's not even close. People are just slow to catch up with this kind of stuff. The question is if he's already the best European PG.

Well I've watched them both and if he says Teodosic is a better PROSPECT, which is what I asked him, I am just leaving the board cause that is plain stupid.

I think Rubio's main thing is just finding more stability, he has one great game after a poor one right now, but as I said before he completely dominated the Spanish Cup and really made an argument there that he might be at the top level of players in Europe. But to me the potential is there to see evertime he touches the ball, he is breathtaking!

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

LOL

He'll answer Teodosic (who's an excellent player, but has no chance of playing in the NBA).

And there a lot of European fans who think Rubio is already the best PG in Europe. In fact KBP was in the minority in this discussion in an Euroleague message board just a couple of weeks ago.

Rubio is the best PG in Europe and, tbh, it's not even close. People are just slow to catch up with this kind of stuff. The question is if he's already the best European PG.

I assure you if you take to an European forum a message "Rubio is best point guard in Europe" you will be laughed out of there by any serious fan. It is actually absurd completely absurd and ridiculous to say Rubio is best point guard in Europe. He is not even the best point guard on his own team.

He is the best 19 year old European point guard. NOT the best European point guard. But I do not expect the NBA only fans to know the difference. There is never any facts correct about European players from NBA perspective. But you can go to any Europe forum on basketball you like and see their reactions if you say Rubio is best point guard in Europe. The only people that might agree is a few Spanish homers. Most would just laugh at you.

[endrity]

I assure you if you take to an European forum a message "Rubio is best point guard in Europe" you will be laughed out of there by any serious fan. It is actually absurd completely absurd and ridiculous to say Rubio is best point guard in Europe. He is not even the best point guard on his own team.

He is the best 19 year old European point guard. NOT the best European point guard. But I do not expect the NBA only fans to know the difference. There is never any facts correct about European players from NBA perspective. But you can go to any Europe forum on basketball you like and see their reactions if you say Rubio is best point guard in Europe. The only people that might agree is a few Spanish homers. Most would just laugh at you.

Navarro is not a PG for Barca, if you watch them play regularly you should know that he spends a wide majorit of the game off the ball and is primarily used as a SG in their system, which is great for him because his main strength is shooting. He never had great PG instincts.

Veseli doesn't even play the same competition that Rubio does man. I know he is quite athletic, and he has range, but talk to me when he plays in Greece, Spain, Italy, or at the very least Russia.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Well I've watched them both and if he says Teodosic is a better PROSPECT, which is what I asked him, I am just leaving the board cause that is plain stupid.

I think Rubio's main thing is just finding more stability, he has one great game after a poor one right now, but as I said before he completely dominated the Spanish Cup and really made an argument there that he might be at the top level of players in Europe. But to me the potential is there to see evertime he touches the ball, he is breathtaking!

This is NBA only fan talking. Until you know all point guards in Europe completely you cannot say who is better than who. But this is what NBA fans do with European players. Only consider someone names by NBA and then watch him. There are point guards not even in Euroleague level in Europe that are better than he is.

If you do not believe me then please do go to a European forum and see for yourself. To say Rubio is best point guard in Europe is pretty much exact the same as to say Johnny Flynn is NBA's best point guard.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Navarro is not a PG for Barca, if you watch them play regularly you should know that he spends a wide majorit of the game off the ball and is primarily used as a SG in their system, which is great for him because his main strength is shooting. He never had great PG instincts.

Veseli doesn't even play the same competition that Rubio does man. I know he is quite athletic, and he has range, but talk to me when he plays in Greece, Spain, Italy, or at the very least Russia.

You are hopeless. I am done with this thread. I will NOT be ban again here. To any NBA fan that wants real knowledge of European players just please ignore these guys. It is so hilarious and ridiculous to suggest Rubio is best point guard in Europe. This is comedy.

Rockets fans you can ask about Lull in private message. is just impossible to discuss in true manner in this forum anything about European players because of the crazy ideas some NBA fans have and just make it a mission to argue with you about nonsense.

[endrity]

I am not going that far, I am not saying he is right now the best, but he has games and moments even now that takes over a game unlike any other European player. The boy is already a gem and a pleasure to watch. In fact, since you consider us only NBA fan, I worry whether his game will ever translate to the NBA, but I am sure that if he decided to stay in Europe he will be widely acknowledged as the best in less that 2-3 years.

[Goran Dragic]

So anyway what are the chances Splitter ends up there? Spurs were counting on him as a sure thing next year.

[duncan228]

Welcome back Kill_Bill_Pana. Glad you got another chance, I know it meant a lot to you.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So anyway what are the chances Splitter ends up there? Spurs were counting on him as a sure thing next year.

I am not sure. If was my choice I would take Greek center Mavroeidis instead. But I think they want to make news just with someone that his name is talked about a lot. There were many rumors they wanted Scola but now that is silent. It seems for sure he would stay in NBA.

The next center they were to get was Maric but he has a 3 year contract with Partizan so it seems he can't be signed. So if Pekovic really is going to NBA then I guess logical that Splitter is who they would want. I think Mavroeidis is a better choice because he has Greek passport and will not count against foreign player rules and also he will be much cheaper. He can be in the team as the new center for the next 10 years and will not leave.

But even though this is much more logical thing to do, if to sign Splitter it would be more pleasing to the fans and the news media. Because if Pekovic leaves they will be demand a big name to replace him. So I think excellent chance he is in Panathinaikos next year if he is open to offers. 50/50 chance Spurs or Panathinaikos. If he wants just to play in NBA than Panathinaikos would not get in bid war. He is not that good of a player and not worth that. He would already be too much far overpaid with this offer now.

But for Splitter's own interest NBA is always a gamble. Who will know if he will be in Popovich's doghouse? So I think it is a mistake and bad move if PAO takes him for such money but I think there is good chance it might happen.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Welcome back Kill_Bill_Pana. Glad you got another chance, I know it meant a lot to you.

Thanks. I will try not to use the foul language again and also not to argue about American issues.

[mogrovejo]

I assure you if you take to an European forum a message "Rubio is best point guard in Europe" you will be laughed out of there by any serious fan. It is actually absurd completely absurd and ridiculous to say Rubio is best point guard in Europe. He is not even the best point guard on his own team.

He is the best 19 year old European point guard. NOT the best European point guard. But I do not expect the NBA only fans to know the difference. There is never any facts correct about European players from NBA perspective. But you can go to any Europe forum on basketball you like and see their reactions if you say Rubio is best point guard in Europe. The only people that might agree is a few Spanish homers. Most would just laugh at you.

You should know, you've started one. :rollin

This was my favourite post:


Is there an option "we don't care about the village idiot's new crusade"?

I want to vote for that one.Too bad your thread predicting Barcelona to miss the qualification for the QF vanished, village idiot.

[DesignatedT]

Money seems to be closer than i was expecting actually. with that $ we can offer, and a players dream of being an NBA player... i think its almost certain splitter ends up in s.a....

only way i thought he wouldn't was that a european team would fly in and offer 2x the money or something, but if thats not the case then great.v

[mogrovejo]

The next center they were to get was Maric but he has a 3 year contract with Partizan so it seems he can't be signed

Yes, because it's basically impossible to buy out players from Partizan. It's much easier to get guys from Baskonia. :downspin:


So anyway what are the chances Splitter ends up there? Spurs were counting on him as a sure thing next year.

0%.

If they can't even keep their current center away from the NBA, what would make you think they'd be able to pry Splitter when they'd need to negotiate a buyout with his current club?

[endrity]

You should know, you've started one. :rollin

This was my favourite post:

Too bad your thread predicting Barcelona to miss the qualification for the QF vanished, village idiot.

Can I have a link of this?

p.s where are you from man, Montenegro, Croatia?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You should know, you've started one. :rollin

This was my favourite post:

Too bad your thread predicting Barcelona to miss the qualification for the QF vanished, village idiot.

I do not know what is your problem. But in European forum that speaks English 70% of fans say he is not the best and most say he is something like 8th or something like that. So either stop making up lies or just do not talk to me. I do not want to be banned again for the same thing that people like you act this way.

Making up lies and nonsense and attacking others by saying just stupid things always. Do you understand? I will not respond to you anymore.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Money seems to be closer than i was expecting actually. with that $ we can offer, and a players dream of being an NBA player... i think its almost certain splitter ends up in s.a....

only way i thought he wouldn't was that a european team would fly in and offer 2x the money or something, but if thats not the case then great.v

I do not believe it was ever Splitter's dream to play in NBA. And I am not sure if Spurs will consider close to $40 million offer for him. I am just explain from Panathinaikos POV there starting offer versus the most Spurs could offer.

I honest to tell true thing hope he goes to Spurs. They need him much more than Panathinaikos does. Besides to me he is definitely not worth this much money and it will be a mistake for Panathinaikos to sign him for this.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Can I have a link of this?

p.s where are you from man, Montenegro, Croatia?


From English speaking European forum

http://forums.interbasket.net/f11/is-rubio-the-best-point-guard-12461/

As you see the only people that believe Rubio is best point guard in Europe are NBA fans and Spaniards and Europeans that only follow NBA. Actual Euroleague fans just basic laugh at the idea.

He is swear that all people in Europe think Rubio is the best but even with so many Spaniards in that forum he cannot even get more than 3/10 people to agree.

Sure Rubio is best point guard in Europe...........and also it is true that George Hill is best point guard in NBA.

[Goran Dragic]

0%.

If they can't even keep their current center away from the NBA, what would make you think they'd be able to pry Splitter when they'd need to negotiate a buyout with his current club?


Well that's a good point, only possibility I can come up with is Splitter caring more about money while their current center cares more about making the NBA. If this this team offers significantly more than the Spurs are willing to Splitter might chose them.

[Warlord23]

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[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Well that's a good point, only possibility I can come up with is Splitter caring more about money while their current center cares more about making the NBA. If this this team offers significantly more than the Spurs are willing to Splitter might chose them.

Yes. Pekovic could easily make more money than MLE Wolves could give him if he stays in PAO. It is not money issue. He seems to want to move to NBA. If Pekovic just wanted money he would already have a contract extension much bigger than NBA MLE.

Maybe Splitter cares about money more. Besides Pekovic could be a starter without even trying in Wolves team. Splitter knows I am sure that Popovich is not easy and he could be benched. He might be scared you never know. And many NBA fans still live in 1996 how they talk about "magical world of NBA". Very few established Euroleague players care about playing in NBA these days. Things are different now. The only "magical NBA world" is from American players because they are full of NBA marketing their whole life just as fans here.

To players like Splitter than play in a serious professional league and make millions of dollars and are assure of their place NBA allure is a fantasy that NBA fans mostly make up. I do hope he comes to Spurs though.

[endrity]

From English speaking European forum

http://forums.interbasket.net/f11/is-rubio-the-best-point-guard-12461/

As you see the only people that believe Rubio is best point guard in Europe are NBA fans and Spaniards and Europeans that only follow NBA. Actual Euroleague fans just basic laugh at the idea.

He is swear that all people in Europe think Rubio is the best but even with so many Spaniards in that forum he cannot even get more than 3/10 people to agree.

Sure Rubio is best point guard in Europe...........and also it is true that George Hill is best point guard in NBA.

clearely quite an arguable point even within Euroleague circles!

[mogrovejo]

I do not know what is your problem. But in European forum that speaks English 70% of fans say he is not the best and most say he is something like 8th or something like that. So either stop making up lies or just do not talk to me. I do not want to be banned again for the same thing that people like you act this way.

Making up lies and nonsense and attacking others by saying just stupid things always. Do you understand? I will not respond to you anymore.

:lol

KBP, your trolling can't fool me. Not when it comes to IBN boards polls, if you catch my drift. ;)

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

clearely quite an arguable point even within Euroleague circles!

Forum full of SPANISH fans say 7/10 he is not the best point guard. How can this be debatable? Minus the Spaniards maybe 1/10 think he is the best.

So if minus Asian Rockets fans 1/10 NBA fans says Aaron Brooks is "best NBA point guard" you will form from that logic that "quite debatable Brooks is best NBA point guard among NBA fans".............

I am done discussing with you on this. It is just not worth wasting time.

[endrity]

Ok, just to set the record straight, here is my list in Europe right now:

1. Theo
2. Teodosic
3. Diamantidis
4. Rubio

Spanoulis, Saras are too hurt or too old to be a part of this list right now. You happy KBP? I don't know who else even merits consideration, please don't say Navarro!

p.s to clarify, I put Milos second because I think him being a better scorer is allowing him to develop really well. I would have no problem though if someone thinks DD is 2.

[endrity]

Forum full of SPANISH fans say 7/10 he is not the best point guard. How can this be debatable? Minus the Spaniards maybe 1/10 think he is the best.

So if minus Asian Rockets fans 1/10 NBA fans says Aaron Brooks is "best NBA point guard" you will form from that logic that "quite debatable Brooks is best NBA point guard among NBA fans".............

I am done discussing with you on this. It is just not worth wasting time.

well take away the greeks too, you guys have a lot of vested interest in the discussion!

[DesignatedT]

I do not believe it was ever Splitter's dream to play in NBA. And I am not sure if Spurs will consider close to $40 million offer for him. I am just explain from Panathinaikos POV there starting offer versus the most Spurs could offer.

I honest to tell true thing hope he goes to Spurs. They need him much more than Panathinaikos does. Besides to me he is definitely not worth this much money and it will be a mistake for Panathinaikos to sign him for this.

so in your opinion who are the best centers in europe or who would you prefer they sign over splitter

[mogrovejo]

Well that's a good point, only possibility I can come up with is Splitter caring more about money while their current center cares more about making the NBA. If this this team offers significantly more than the Spurs are willing to Splitter might chose them.

That would make sense if one couldn't find multiple quotes from KBP and his alliases stating that Pekovic didn't like the NBA and would only join the NBA to be a starter.

For example:


However, Minny fans after the game he stated in an interview point blank when asked about the NBA (after some scouts/GMs had talked to him), No, I have no interest in going to the NBA and I will not play in the NBA.

Which is exactly like I said earlier he has said this numerous times. It seems that Minny's management is making up things about what he is actually saying. I took the benefit of the doubt that posters kept saying he had said he wanted to play in the NBA but knew something was wrong with it. Well, again he said point blank right now he has absolutely no intention of going to the NBA.

He also said Pekovic is much better than Kevin Love and Al Jefferson. :lmao

[endrity]

so in your opinion who are the best centers in europe or who would you prefer they sign over splitter

He'll say Pekovic and Bourousis. He might have an argument for the latter.

[mogrovejo]

Splitter is the best center in Europe from the perspective of a NBA team.

Pekovic can be an extremely interesting player, but it's not going to be that easy for him to translate his game.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Ok, just to set the record straight, here is my list in Europe right now:

1. Theo
2. Teodosic
3. Diamantidis
4. Rubio

Spanoulis, Saras are too hurt or too old to be a part of this list right now. You happy KBP? I don't know who else even merits consideration, please don't say Navarro!

This is a joke.

McIntyre is better than Rubio

Lakovic is better than Rubio

Holden is better than Rubio

Prigioni is better than Rubio

Lull is better than Rubio

Planinic is better than Rubio

McCalebb is better than Rubio

Logan is better than Rubio

M Popovich is better than Rubio

Jamont Gordon is better than Rubio

Roko Ukic is better than Rubio

Jaric is better than Rubio

Washington is better than Rubio

Charalabidis is better than Rubio

Zisis, Cabezas, Ribas, Huertas, Keys, Jaaber, Wisniewski, Beverly, Rasic, Cook are in general about the same level , some a little better than him, the same, or a little worse.

I am only even mentioning Euroleague and Eurocup point guards that come to mind.

And Rubio is only a little bit better than Batis, Papamakarios, N Calathes, Lopez and players like that. Sure he is much better than Sada and guys in that level but big deal.

If you really believe he is better than all these other players it is 100% and simple fact that you do not know anything about these other players and probably have never even seen them play. Because many of them are much MUCH better than Rubio in this time.

In a club like Siena, Olympiacos, I doubt if he would even see the court to be honest. He is one of the best European point guard ever for his age but this other talk is just a dream world of imaginary NBA BS. If NBA fans are so much full of such crazy delusions about how good Rubio really is then he will be the biggest bust of NBA history.

You are expecting a basketball god and he is just a good player.

[The Franchise]

This MFer is back? :wow :lol

[endrity]

This is a joke.

McIntyre is better than Rubio

Lakovic is better than Rubio

Holden is better than Rubio

Prigioni is better than Rubio

Lull is better than Rubio

Planinic is better than Rubio

McCalebb is better than Rubio

Logan is better than Rubio

M Popovich is better than Rubio

Jamont Gordon is better than Rubio

Roko Ukic is better than Rubio

Jaric is better than Rubio

Washington is better than Rubio

Charalabidis is better than Rubio

Zisis, Cabezas, Ribas, Huertas, Keys, Jaaber, Wisniewski, Beverly, Rasic, Cook are in general about the same level , some a little better than him, the same, or a little worse.

I am only even mentioning Euroleague and Eurocup point guards that come to mind.

And Rubio is only a little bit better than Batis, Papamakarios, N Calathes, Lopez and players like that. Sure he is much better than Sada and guys in that level but big deal.

If you really believe he is better than all these other players it is 100% and simple fact that you do not know anything about these other players and probably have never even seen them play. Because many of them are much MUCH better than Rubio in this time.

In a club like Siena, Olympiacos, I doubt if he would even see the court to be honest. He is one of the best European point guard ever for his age but this other talk is just a dream world of imaginary NBA BS. If NBA fans are so much full of such crazy delusions about how good Rubio really is then he will be the biggest bust of NBA history.

You are expecting a basketball god and he is just a good player.

If Rubio had no offensive game whatsoever, his defense alone would make him better than 90% of that list. J.R. Holden??? Get the f.... outta here!

[mogrovejo]

:lol KBP's hate for Rubio is truly pathological. The guy changed from a pro-Spanoulis obsession to an anti-Rubio one.

endrity, I think McIntyre is in the conversation for best PG in Europe. Where are you from?

[endrity]

Yeah I agree with McIntyre, he belongs in the conversation, but I think Rubio is a bit better already. Someone might still put Prigioni and Lakovic in there, I wouldn't be surprised with that either.

I was born in Albania, raised there and Italy later, did my undergraduate in the US, and I am currently doing a post-grad degree in London. So a bit from all over.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

so in your opinion who are the best centers in europe or who would you prefer they sign over splitter

Best centers in Europe? Pretty easy.

Bourousis, Vazquez, Pekovic, Lorbek, Batiste, and Schortsanitis.

I would take any of them over Splitter in a second. But do not get me wrong. Splitter is an excellent player. He really is. He would be good for Spurs. I mean he is far better then Bonner and Oberto.

But best center in Europe? This is a big stretch for me. Perhaps he is best center in Spanish League. But even this is debatable. But he is a very good player. Just he is not what Spurs say he is. I saw that Sean E. says he is best big man in Europe. Same nonsense as this Rubio hype is.

I have to say most definitely no he is not the best center in Europe. I think I would take for example Mozgov over him if I had choice. Maybe I would even consider Kaun over him. Really, Spurs could sign Javtokas and he could probably do about just as well and cost much less. I believe Spurs overseas scouts are very poor quality. They have good reputation, but they do not seem to know what they are doing.

I would take Splitter over Vujcic because Vujcic is too soft and his defense sucks. But Vujcic is way better on offense and way much more skilled. D Lavrinovic is much better on offense but again I think too soft. But Splitter is kind of soft also. He is too weak to muscle with a lot of centers.

For example take Maroussi's centers Homan and Mavroedis. I have no doubt Splitter is more talented and gifted than they are. But those two are 10 times more physical than he is. Mavroeidis can totally dominate a game by himself in the low post. Splitter struggles some times to keep position.

Batiste is much better player than Splitter, but really he is a PF that plays as a center. Or a center trapped in PF body. So I would exclude him from this. Glyniadakis is much better defender and low post player than Splitter and Vranes is much better presence on defense but Splitter is a full player so certainly he is much more valuable than they are.

NDong is much more better shot blocker and more athletic but no skills so Splitter over him. Archibald honestly is not that far even from Splitter I think.

Basic what I am saying is he is very good player, excellent even and can help Spurs a lot, but I think he is for sure not the best center in Europe. If I was picking for Spurs then Bourousis, Pekovic, Vazquez, Lorbek, Schortsanitis, and maybe even Kaun and Mozgov (but I am not for sure on those last two) these types of centers I would want more than Splitter.

If we are talking Bourousis, Pekovic, Vazquez, Lorbek, Schortsanitis - to me is not even an issue. They are all much better than Splitter is. So I guess maybe I will say he is 6th best Euroleague center IMHO. But he is much better than Bonner, McDyess, Mahinmi, the crap Spurs have now.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

If Rubio had no offensive game whatsoever, his defense alone would make him better than 90% of that list. J.R. Holden??? Get the f.... outta here!

The starting point guard on 8 straight final four teams and 4 straight finals teams yes he must be horrible. He even beat mighty Spain on their home floor at Eurobasket.

Holden is in fact much better at this time than Rubio. You have clearly watched less than 10 Euroleague games maybe total.

[endrity]

They had some guy named Theo Papaloukas playing PG didn't they? And I made it clear where I think that guy ranks on a list of European guards.

And make sure to remember the one highlight of JR Holden, hitting one shot against Spain in the Final. Just like Avery Johnson did to the Knicks in 99.

[mogrovejo]

First in this moment for sure better than NBA hero boy Rubio. He is young and improving. I like him a lot as a player.

He could be nice player for Rockets on offense if he came to NBA in the future. But I think his defense is weak. But overall he will be fine. The defense in NBA at point guard position is very very poor. The only NBA point guard that is good in defense is Billups. So it really does not even matter since the NBA made the no hand checks rules. Lull is no defense and is very athletic and explosive so no hand checks rules are perfect for him.

In Euroleague defense is very hard and very physical. There would be 5-10 fouls on each time down floor if it was call like NBA game. So the rules will let Llull go wherever he needs on court and his bad defense will not matter. In Europe it matters but not in NBA since no one can guard at point position anyway because of the rules.

A few months ago:


Kill_Bill_Pana wrote:You guys here overrate Llull. I assure you that. His entire game is 100% only athletic ability. There is nothing else to his game. He is 100% run and jump player. He is good player but no way is there anything special about him. He is backup point guard in pretty much any top level Euroleague club.


Kill_Bill_Pana wrote:Spanoulis is way better than Llull. Everyone knows that in Europe. And you are trying to tell Rockets fans Llull will be a good NBA player? That is laughable.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

They had some guy named Theo Papaloukas playing PG didn't they? And I made it clear where I think that guy ranks on a list of European guards.

And make sure to remember the one highlight of JR Holden, hitting one shot against Spain in the Final. Just like Avery Johnson did to the Knicks in 99.

Papaloukas was not on CSKA's team last year. They were in Euroleague final last year. Holden was the starting point guard. As was he the starting point guard when Russia beat Spain for a gold medal on Spanish ground.

Rubio would struggle to even see the court in CSKA. Holden, Langdon, Planinic are in the back court. Rubio would play at best 10 minutes a game.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

A few months ago:

What is this supposed to show? Lull is a backup point guard in a big Euroleague club and I think the same in NBA. Yes, He will never be as good as Spanoulis. Mark my words on that. Regardless of all this he is a good player and for sure is better at this time than Rubio.

[Bukefal]

oooooooooooooo KBP you're back!!! Kalos irthate file!!! :toast:toast

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

oooooooooooooo KBP you're back!!! Kalos irthate file!!! :toast:toast

Ah yes I am back. :flag:

What do you think about Washington these days? He has played great this whole year.

[Bukefal]

Ah yes I am back. :flag:

What do you think about Washington these days? He has played great this whole year.

Welcome back :toast

Well, after the summer, when he joined galatasaray I havent been following him so much. But, he seems to be putting some nice number up over there. But galatasaray, the results of the whole team is pretty shitty, they are at the bottom.

I hope he will workout with some nba teams again this summer, and maybe see him in the league again.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Welcome back :toast

Well, after the summer, when he joined galatasaray I havent been following him so much. But, he seems to be putting some nice number up over there. But galatasaray, the results of the whole team is pretty shitty, they are at the bottom.

I hope he will workout with some nba teams again this summer, and maybe see him in the league again.

He is great for your team in the future. He was play really good this year. In the past he played good for PAOk and Aris only for like 2 weeks then he could not play anymore. He is definite much better player now. Spurs should sign him since Parker injury.

[Bukefal]

He is great for your team in the future. He was play really good this year. In the past he played good for PAOk and Aris only for like 2 weeks then he could not play anymore. He is definite much better player now. Spurs should sign him since Parker injury.

Yeah, too bad that he couldnt play in eurobasket. Stefanov has retired now, he can take his place. I hope he continues to play for the nat. team this summer. We need him.
As for him with the spurs, I dont think its going to happen nor a good option for now. He did it before, replacing Parker. They shouldnt have let him go back then.

[DesignatedT]

dude no way shortsinitis is better than splitter.... you cant be serious.

[endrity]

dude no way shortsinitis is better than splitter.... you cant be serious.

He never is, especially when it's about the Greek players. Baby Shaq isn't even healthy enough to play a full season in the NBA.

[Indazone]

Sofo can be a beast and better than Splitter when he's in shape. Right now he's in shape and playing way better than when he was Sofo the Fatso.

As for Rubio, seems KBP was right. Here's the evaulation of him by Draftexpress.

• Ricky Rubio doesn’t have overwhelming stats, but he’s the youngest prospect on our list playing against by far the strongest competition, and thus isn’t as weak in some areas as people may imagine.

Considering his frail frame, lack of awesome leaping ability, and level of competition, it would be fairly reasonable to expect Rubio to struggle around the basket. Even though European prospects (and veterans for that matter) tend to have a lower PPP than their NCAA and NBA counterparts, Rubio actually falls right around the average of this group as a finisher at 1.11 PPP. His ability to transition that part of his game to the NBA is going to be very important when you consider that he takes under 2.5 jump shots per game, has made only 5 of his 25 logged pull up jumpers, and is still gaining confidence in his improved catch and shoot ability (1.1 Pos/G, 41%, 9/22).

Always better known for his creativity and playmaking ability, it doesn’t come as a shock that Rubio looks good in transition. He is shooting 69% on his transition opportunities on just 13 attempts this season –which is a bit misleading since he doesn’t take many attempts more because he knows when to give the ball up than because he isn’t pushing the tempo. In contrast, his limited isolation possessions are indicative of some issues, as he’s not going to produce a ton in pure one-on-one situations. Fortunately, Rubio, like most European point guard’s we’ve evaluated, is effective on the pick and roll. With 27% of his touches coming from the two-man game, Rubio could have a mutually beneficial relationship with the post players he is teamed with in the NBA, since they’ll likely make his life just as easy as he’ll make theirs.

Obviously our sample size is a bit limited for two reasons: Rubio simply doesn’t use that many possessions as a scorer (9 Pos/G), and he missed a good portion of the season with a wrist injury. We were on hand for one of his first games back in December, and while he’s shaken off some of the rust as the season has continued, his wrist is still limiting his production, but not to the extent that it was initially. Evidence for that can be found in the observation that Rubio drives left nearly 74% of the time he looked to go to the rim, the most of any player on this list by over 5%. His injury is also partially accountable for the fact that he turned the ball over on 28.5% (1st) of his halfcourt possessions. The team that drafts will need to make sure that they get him back on the right track as a shooter and help open up the floor to get him back in the swing of things to make up for all the time he lost this season.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Situational-Statistics-This-Years-Point-Guard-Crop-3209/

The biggest improvement we've seen from Rubio this year has to do with his incredible passing skills. Slow to recover from the wrist injury that kept him out of the first 11 games of the ACB season, and still sporting a heavy bandage on that same right hand, Rubio has been forced to become more of a playmaker to provide maximum value for his team. He's averaging a ridiculous 11.5 assists per-40 pace adjusted, tops in the league and by a wide margin. Based off what he showed here at the Copa, it was very easy to see why.

This guy isn't an athletic beast. But his passing and ball handling are crisp. I would put him in perhaps at best eventually becoming being Steve Nash.

Here's another article
Scouting the NBA Draft Prospects at the 2008 Copa del Rey
February 18, 2008
Joventut’s shaggy haired 17-year old point guard played an indispensible role in his team’s Copa del Rey triumph. Coming off the bench in two of three games, but always seeing significant minutes, particularly in crunch time, it’s amazing to see how much trust his coaching staff has in this precocious youngster.

Rubio is a point guard and a point guard only, standing 6-4, with a skinny frame that should fill out decently in time, long arms, and very nice athletic ability. He’s quick, and has excellent body control and ability to change speeds, which helps him get basically everywhere he needs to on the court.

Offensively, he’s primarily a slasher when it comes to his scoring ability. His footwork is a thing of beauty, and this, combined with his terrific ball-handling skills, creativity, and feel for the game, allows him to put constant pressure on the defense in a style that is somewhat reminiscent of Steve Nash. He’s sometimes a bit too weak and not quite explosive enough to finish all his drives in traffic, though, which forces him to get a bit cute around the rim. He does know how to draw fouls, actually looking wise beyond his years in his ability to bait a referee into making a call that might otherwise have been borderline. There is actually already some behind the scenes grumbling going on that the men in stripes are protecting the Spanish wonderkid excessively.

Rubio can hit a 3-pointer, a static jumper he shoots with no elevation off the floor and somewhat ugly mechanics, but this is not a reliable enough weapon in his arsenal at this point, even if it’s shown big improvement over the last year or two. Expanding his mid-range game will be another area he can work on to continue to progress offensively. His ability to become a consistent perimeter shooter will probably play a big role in deciding whether or not he reaches his full potential.

As a playmaker is where Rubio is probably at his best, though. He pushes the ball up the court extremely well, and shows incredible timing and instincts being able to create shots for his teammates. He’s poised, mature and extremely confident here, not being afraid to attempt the unexpected, like making a no-look pass against the grain at top speed for example, a full-court skip pass or a behind the back look in one fluid motion without hesitating for even a second. He’s a flashy guy, but there is always a rhyme and a reason behind his madness, he’s not just trying to get on a highlight reel. Sometimes his creativity ends up costing his team in the form of a turnover, which is unavoidable considering his style of play and the high-risk nature of many of his passes. With that said, the experience he’s gaining right now against some of the top defenses in the world outside the NBA at such a young age will prove invaluable down the road as he continues to progress as a point guard, and should help him cut down on these types of mistakes.

Ricky wouldn’t be getting the minutes he’s seeing if he wasn’t able to hold his own on the other end of the court, though. It’s here that he earns his keep, and already is able to hold his own against the best of the best in the ACB as he showed us this weekend, as the feature piece of his team’s outstanding zone defense. His long arms gained his team a huge amount of extra possessions throughout the tournament, as his activity level, toughness, awesome hands and incredible anticipation skills makes him a menace in the passing lanes, as well as hitting the glass. He also showed the lateral quickness to stay in front of most anyone he went up against, which allows him to play outstanding on-ball defense as well.

Late in games, Rubio seems to elevate his game even more, proving himself as the winner he was made out to be when he first truly burst onto the European basketball scene by scoring 51 points in the Final game of the U-16 European Championships. He took plenty of responsibilities in both of the close games Joventut had to get through to advance through the semi-finals and finals, knocking down clutch free throws, grabbing big rebounds, showing poise as a playmaker, and not looking rattled at all even after making a questionable decision, of which there were a few in late game situations. As much as he amazes you sometimes, he still reminds you of the fact that he’s extremely young at times, as his lack of experience showed in a few select moments that ended up luckily not hurting his team too much. To his credit, though, Rubio realizes that this is not his team, and therefore knows when to defer to his team’s true superstar Rudy Fernandez when he feels like he might want the ball.

As you have probably already heard, we’re talking about a truly special talent. After having the pleasure to watch him three times in three straight days here in Vitoria, it’s safe to say that Rubio was pretty much worth the long trip to the Copa del Rey all by himself.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ricky-Rubio-1155/

[mogrovejo]

Sofo can be a beast and better than Splitter when he's in shape. Right now he's in shape and playing way better than when he was Sofo the Fatso.

As for Rubio, seems KBP was right. Here's the evaulation of him by Draftexpress.

February 18, 2008

:lol

And KBP hates draftexpress. They're liars paid by the NBA/ACB hype machine. They don't know anything about European basketball. :nope

[phxspurfan]

I jz wanted 2 post in thread cuz it may b classic

[Bukefal]

Rubio is overrated! .

[Rogue]

I assumed you motherfuckers would feel glad to see KBP's return which means you won't be the dumbest fuck no more on this website.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Granted he and I don't always see eye to eye, :lmao @ mogro owning KBP in this thread.

[urunobili]

I love having KBP full fledged back and biting :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You are hopeless. I am done with this thread.:lol

[ChumpDumper]

As for Splitter, sounds like it'll be easier to get him if that's all the big spenders are willing to put out now.

[Brazil]

Rubio is not the best PG in Europe but he is no scrub he is young he can improve. Nevertheless I'd rank him in a top 10.

[lefty]

Let us stop insults please

Areticos Cracrapoulos to sign with the Spurs

Panathinaikos reportedly offering 2345000000000000000000000000 $ to Kobe and Lebron

[mogrovejo]

Rubio is not the best PG in Europe but he is no scrub he is young he can improve. Nevertheless I'd rank him in a top 10.

Just as much as Paul, Williams or Nash are top-10 PGs in the NBA.

It's funny that people underrated Rubio because he's young. If it was a 30years old doing what Rubio is doing I suspect he'd be considered the top PG. Barcelona is decimating teams left and right, Rubio is dominating pretty much every high-level PG he's matched up with in the last year, he changes games with his defence alone (even Tony Parker can testify about this). The fact that he's young and doesn't have a strong record behind means nothing to his current level. I can see it now: Barcelona winning everything, Rubio being nominated to the All-Euroleague team and people still using the same arguments "oh, he still has done so little compared to so and so, he's too young, not enough experience, bla bla". This same process also happens in the NBA, btw, people are slow to catch up with new realities.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Just as much as Paul, Williams or Nash are top-10 PGs in the NBA.

It's funny that people underrated Rubio because he's young. If it was a 30years old doing what Rubio is doing I suspect he'd be considered the top PG. Barcelona is decimating teams left and right, Rubio is dominating pretty much every high-level PG he's matched up with in the last year, he changes games with his defence alone (even Tony Parker can testify about this). The fact that he's young and doesn't have a strong record behind means nothing to his current level. I can see it now: Barcelona winning everything, Rubio being nominated to the All-Euroleague team and people still using the same arguments "oh, he still has done so little compared to so and so, he's too young, not enough experience, bla bla". This same process also happens in the NBA, btw, people are slow to catch up with new realities.

You have obvious never even see a Euroleague game. It is fair to consider Rubio as a top 5-10 Euroleague point guard candidate. It is absurd and ridiculous to claim he is best point guard in Euroleague.

You are just a big joker and a troller.

[mogrovejo]

This is a joke.

McIntyre is better than Rubio

Lakovic is better than Rubio

Holden is better than Rubio

Prigioni is better than Rubio

Lull is better than Rubio

Planinic is better than Rubio

McCalebb is better than Rubio

Logan is better than Rubio

M Popovich is better than Rubio

Jamont Gordon is better than Rubio

Roko Ukic is better than Rubio

Jaric is better than Rubio

Washington is better than Rubio

Charalabidis is better than Rubio

Zisis, Cabezas, Ribas, Huertas, Keys, Jaaber, Wisniewski, Beverly, Rasic, Cook are in general about the same level , some a little better than him, the same, or a little worse.

I am only even mentioning Euroleague and Eurocup point guards that come to mind.

And Rubio is only a little bit better than Batis, Papamakarios, N Calathes, Lopez and players like that. Sure he is much better than Sada and guys in that level but big deal.

If you really believe he is better than all these other players it is 100% and simple fact that you do not know anything about these other players and probably have never even seen them play. Because many of them are much MUCH better than Rubio in this time.

In a club like Siena, Olympiacos, I doubt if he would even see the court to be honest. He is one of the best European point guard ever for his age but this other talk is just a dream world of imaginary NBA BS. If NBA fans are so much full of such crazy delusions about how good Rubio really is then he will be the biggest bust of NBA history.

You are expecting a basketball god and he is just a good player.


It is fair to consider Rubio as a top 5-10 Euroleague point guard candidate.

You need to pull your shit together, KBP. Yesterday it was a joke to suggest he was the 4th best PG and there were dozens of guys better than him just in the Euroleague. He wouldn't even see the floor in some teams. Today he's already a top-5 PG? Wow, talk about a quick improvement. At this rate he'll be better than Magic by the end of next week.

Btw, I felt sorry for McCalebb tonight. At one point he didn't even want to bring the ball up court any more.

[mogrovejo]

Btw, KBP, congrats for the qualification of all the A1 Ethniki teams to the Euroleague quarter-finals. And to the Eurocup Final 8. They're really showing which is the strongest league in Europe. Well done! :toast

[BlackSwordsMan]

why doesn't KBP have his countries flag under his name?

[mogrovejo]

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8692/elstandingstop16.png

Pathetic monkeys...

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You need to pull your shit together, KBP. Yesterday it was a joke to suggest he was the 4th best PG and there were dozens of guys better than him just in the Euroleague. He wouldn't even see the floor in some teams. Today he's already a top-5 PG? Wow, talk about a quick improvement. At this rate he'll be better than Magic by the end of next week.

Btw, I felt sorry for McCalebb tonight. At one point he didn't even want to bring the ball up court any more.

You are just a fool. I said it is fair to CONSIDER him a CANDIDATE for 5-10 best point guard in Euroleague. I did NOT say he is 5-10 best Euroleague point guard. Because he definite is NOT. But to at least make a discussion for such with him in this area is acceptable conversation.

Call him best point guard in Euroleague is a stupid joke and you are here only to troll.

[Brazil]

Just as much as Paul, Williams or Nash are top-10 PGs in the NBA.

It's funny that people underrated Rubio because he's young. If it was a 30years old doing what Rubio is doing I suspect he'd be considered the top PG. Barcelona is decimating teams left and right, Rubio is dominating pretty much every high-level PG he's matched up with in the last year, he changes games with his defence alone (even Tony Parker can testify about this). The fact that he's young and doesn't have a strong record behind means nothing to his current level. I can see it now: Barcelona winning everything, Rubio being nominated to the All-Euroleague team and people still using the same arguments "oh, he still has done so little compared to so and so, he's too young, not enough experience, bla bla". This same process also happens in the NBA, btw, people are slow to catch up with new realities.

saying I'd rank him in a top 10, I meant let's say between 5 and 10. I'm not a fan of ranking guys in most of cases between 1 and 2 1 and 3 etc.. you can discuss all night long.