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Galileo
03-10-2010, 05:01 PM
25 reasons Why Ron Paul can win in 2012 (Summary)

Here is a summary of what Ron Paul has going for him to win the GOP nomination in 2012:

1) Rand Paul is polling at 44% and is up by 21% in his primary for US Senate in Kentucky. Rand has outfundraised the anointed GOP choice (Trey Grayson) by a 3 to 2 ratio over the past 6 months; $1.8 million to $ 1.2 million. Rand out-polls the likely democrat in the general election by about 15%.

If Rand can win, Ron Paul can win.

2) CPAC Straw Poll; Ron Paul won with 31%, Romney was second with 22%, Palin third at 7%, then Pawlenty at 6%, Mike Pence (congressman from Indiana) 5%, Huckabee 4%. Last year in 2009, Paul had finished tied for third with Palin, while Romney won it ( I can't remember who got 2nd).

When Ron Paul wins nationally promoted straw polls, it creates the perception he can win.

3) Ron Paul just won his House seat primary by a whopping 70%. He won 81% to 11%. Ron Paul will grab more headlines when he wins the general election in November.

This creates the perception Ron can win. The greatest enemy to Ron is the mass media created perception that he can't win.

4) Ron Paul has often been described as irrelevant because he has never sponsored major legislation into law, nor has he ever even gained national media for his legislation. That has now changed. Ron Paul's Audit the Fed bill has passed the House with 317 sponsors, and is in the Senate with over 30 sponsors. This legislation is not going away. It will keep Ron Paul in the news during all of this year and 2011 for his legislative work. Rand Paul in the Senate also makes a big difference here.

5) The Tea Party movement backs Ron Paul. The only other leading GOP contender who has any tea party appeal is Sarah Palin. Mitt Romney is a phony and is not fooling anyone.

6) Every four years, we get an age shift in voters. New young voters tend to back Ron Paul, while old voters who have died since 2008 do not support Ron Paul. A four year shift is about 7% of the electorate.

7) Newspapers are against Ron Paul; they are going out of business or their circulation is declining. The Internet supports Ron Paul and it is on the rise.

8) Paul's leading contenders are Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee (if he runs).

All these candidates have weaknesses.

Huckabee has a cushy TV job, and doesn't seem ambitious enough to run.

Palin is widely viewed as unqualified to be president and has less money than Ron Paul.

Romney is a strong candidate, but he is a Mormon which hurts him among Christian conservatives. He was also a pro-abortion liberal governor of Massachusetts who now says he is a pro-life conservative. In other words, he's a phony. He does not anywhere near the organization of Ron Paul.

Pawlenty is the NWO choice for president. But he has low name recognition and is boring. He's also a liberal republican Governor from Minnesota with little appeal for conservatives. He is counting on the NWO media to help him.

9) The Economy; the weak economy plays into Ron Paul's hands to some extent.

10) End the Fed - Ron Paul's book gives him another outlet for his message. Unlike Mitt Romney's book, which is stone cold boring, people actually read Ron Paul's books.

11) Ron Paul is good for TV ratings and is getting a lot of national TV interviews on cable news like Fox, CNN, MSNBC and CNBC. Rand Paul is also getting a lot of national TV interviews.

12) Voters are getting used to Ron Paul's "odd" ideas.

13) Ron Paul is 74, but has the health and spunk of a 60 year old; he's not too old to run for president and serve one term in office.

14) Fund-raising - In the 4th quarter of 2007, Ron Paul was the # 1 GOP fundraiser. This was when he was below 10% in the polls. He will raise a lot more if he is at 15%-30% in the polls. Ron Paul could end up with more money to spend than Mitt Romney.

15) The NWO sets the pecking order when they start to do polls in early 2011. In 2007, Ron Paul was at 1% in these polls. Ron Paul will be at a minimum of 15% in the early 2011 polls, putting him among the viable contenders from the beginning.

16) The Wars in the Middle East - People are getting sick of these wars, and Ron Paul opposes them. Democrats who found out Obama was a phony might support Ron Paul.

17) 2012 is the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812, and will gain national attention. Interesting that the president during the War of 1812 was none other than James Madison, the Father of the U.S. Constitution.

James Madison is the ONLY president to follow the Constitution during a major war. Despite an invasion from the British Empire that included the burning of Buffalo and Washington, a siege upon Baltimore, and attack on New Orleans, the capture of Detroit, an Atlantic ocean naval blockade, and a secession movement in Hartford, Connecticut, James Madison never claimed special war powers, arrested dissidents, issued war propaganda, had a draft, or suspended habeas corpus, despite going up against the worlds greatest power with no income tax, no central bank, and not much of an army of navy. And we won it, gaining free trade for all American on the Great Lakes, Atlantic ocean, Mississippi river, West Indies, and Mediterranean Sea.

Word of what James Madison did in the War of 1812 might leak out to the people in 2011 and 2012.

18) A lot of people are getting sick of the war on drugs. Neither Bush or Obama will even consider legalizing medical marijuana, an issue which polls at 80% in favor of.

19) Ron Paul is the only candidate who can talk intelligently about the U.S. Constitution.

20) People are sick of the health care bill, and Ron Paul has credibility in opposing it. Ron Paul is also a medical doctor.

21) The Campaign For Liberty, Ron Paul's PAC, is raising lots of cash and forging many ties with key GOP leaders at the state level.

22) Rand Paul got the endorsements of the Ronald Reagan PAC, Sarah Palin, Steve Forbes, and the Gun Owners of America. Expect to see Ron Paul get some major endorsements, if Rand Paul can.

23) Ron Paul voted against all the bank bailouts.

24) Ron Paul has an army of volunteers that will hit every straw poll, from CPAC to the Southern Republican Leadership Conference, to the county GOP straw poll at the annual meeting of John Doe County in all 50 States. He is going to win almost all of them.

25) Ron Paul has enough support to win the Ames Iowa STraw Poll in the summer of 2011. He got 1300 votes in 2007, and needs only about 5000 to win.

Ron Paul also has enough support to win the Southern Republican Leadership Conference Straw Poll on April 11.

coyotes_geek
03-10-2010, 05:06 PM
God Bless Ron Paul, but no, he can't win in 2012. I'll still vote for him just like I did in 2008, but he's got no shot.

mookie2001
03-10-2010, 05:14 PM
But there are some racists that like him!

/chumpdumper

Winehole23
03-10-2010, 06:04 PM
I'm not convinced that Ron Paul will even run. He's 75 years old.

But if Ron Paul does run as a third party candidate, he could split the conservative vote, leading to Obama's reelection in 2012. Just look what being the spoiler did for Nader's progressive cachet after 2000.

...imagine the howls and the permanent frowns among partisans if Paul split the GOP in an election year, leading to four more years of Obama.

It wouldn't be a pretty sight, but essentially, that is what Galileo is talking about. I doubt RP wants to go there, but I've been wrong about other things. We'll see.

Drachen
03-10-2010, 06:13 PM
He is just "strange" enough that I could vote for him. By strange I mean, does what he says. I may not agree with some of what he says, but just the fact that I can see him walking the walk (mainly because he is walking it currently), would be a relief. Also, it seems that he is serious about fiscal responsibility which is very important to me. If I was to be a one issue voter, this would be it. Unfortunately, I am not which is why I have to delve more deeply into his platform to see if I actually will vote for him. He has made himself interesting though.

Galileo
03-10-2010, 06:27 PM
I'm not convinced that Ron Paul will even run. He's 75 years old.

But if Ron Paul does run as a third party candidate, he could split the conservative vote, leading to Obama's reelection in 2012. Just look what being the spoiler did for Nader's progressive cachet after 2000.

...imagine the howls and the permanent frowns among partisans if Paul split the GOP in an election year, leading to four more years of Obama.

It wouldn't be a pretty sight, but essentially, that is what Galileo is talking about. I doubt RP wants to go there, but I've been wrong about other things. We'll see.

Ron Paul is not running as a third party candidate. He's already running as a republican. He just bought 800 tickets for $92,000 for the Southern Republican Leadership Conference, for New Orleans April 8-11 next month.

He is going to win the straw poll there, messing up Palin's strategy who had planned to win it.

Winehole23
03-10-2010, 06:30 PM
Packing the hall, is he? They won't let him do that everywhere.

Galileo
03-10-2010, 06:36 PM
Packing the hall, is he? They won't let him do that everywhere.

All the candidates try to do it.

Winehole23
03-10-2010, 06:40 PM
Of course. No slight intended.

BRHornet45
03-10-2010, 06:47 PM
son he'll be like 97 years old. enough of the Ron Paul bandwagon

Thompson
03-10-2010, 06:59 PM
6) New young voters tend to back Ron Paul, while old voters who have died since 2008 do not support Ron Paul.

Either Zogby's using a Ouija board or this sentence could have been worded better.

Marcus Bryant
03-11-2010, 01:37 AM
Unfortunately, Congressman Paul won't be winning much besides his seat. As much as people like to pretend they are libertarians, very few vote that way. The key now is for others to carry on, such as Gov. Johnson. Still, the idea that Ron Paul is a leftist. You fucking tools.

EmptyMan
03-11-2010, 10:29 AM
Ron Paul is too epic to succumb to the Grim Reaper.

boutons_deux
03-11-2010, 10:41 AM
Ron Paul as President? Unimaginable, he's not photogenic enough.

Superficial America likes celebrity and spectacle and being scared and being lied to, not adults and issues.

ChumpDumper
03-11-2010, 11:47 AM
But there are some racists that like him!

/chumpdumperYep, and his inability or refusal to distance himself from racists and nutters is what kept him from being a serious candidate in the past.

Tell me what has he done to change that?

Winehole23
03-11-2010, 01:43 PM
I would guess nothing.

DarrinS
03-11-2010, 02:46 PM
Why do truther nutbags love Ron Paul so much?

coyotes_geek
03-11-2010, 02:57 PM
Why do truther nutbags love Ron Paul so much?

Why do the bible thumping theocrat nutjobs love republicans so much? Why do the tree hugging nutjobs and the socialists love democrats so much?

z0sa
03-11-2010, 05:42 PM
If I voted, I'd vote for Ron Paul. But no one should vote. Instead of picking the lesser of two(or however many) evils, everyone should just stop picking. Of course, that'd require dumbasses to wise up, which won't happen.

EmptyMan
03-11-2010, 06:18 PM
Nah. It's fun voting for someone you support but that you know will not win. It makes it feel like your vote actually means more than it does.

jacobdrj
03-11-2010, 07:04 PM
Extremest can more easily take power in times of hardship and desperation. Obama is 1 extreme, perhaps Paul is the other.

smeagol
03-11-2010, 10:22 PM
Yep, and his inability or refusal to distance himself from racists and nutters is what kept him from being a serious candidate in the past.

Tell me what has he done to change that?

mookie believes 9/11 was an inside job . . . shhh!

mookie2001
03-11-2010, 10:35 PM
Well he could go against free speech and gun rights, thst would show those crazy groups who like free speech



99% of the times Ron Paul has ever been mentioned in this forum chumpdumper says that shit


Without fail

mookie2001
03-11-2010, 10:36 PM
Extremest can more easily take power in times of hardship and desperation. Obama is 1 extreme, perhaps Paul is the other.

bet you know a lot about Paul

Even as much as esmegmol

mookie2001
03-11-2010, 10:38 PM
Hello!

Nuts like this guy!

Nuts, like the people in Victoria who like low taxes and patriots that keep electing him


Nuts!

spursncowboys
03-11-2010, 10:44 PM
If I voted, I'd vote for Ron Paul. But no one should vote. Instead of picking the lesser of two(or however many) evils, everyone should just stop picking. Of course, that'd require dumbasses to wise up, which won't happen.

why don't you just write in your candidate.

Wild Cobra
03-11-2010, 11:06 PM
why don't you just write in your candidate.
I like to vote for Mickey Mouse, Roger Rabbit, etc. when I don't like any of the candidates. If I don't feel so silly, I write in "none of the above" so an election worker with agenda cannot change my vote.

Galileo
03-13-2010, 03:12 PM
Why do truther nutbags love Ron Paul so much?

why do the people of evil hate Ron Paul? What are they afraid of?

:(

LnGrrrR
03-15-2010, 04:07 AM
I've got one big reason why Ron Paul can't win.

1) He's Ron Paul.

Galileo
03-15-2010, 08:30 AM
I've got one big reason why Ron Paul can't win.

1) He's Ron Paul.

They said he couldn't win the CPAC starw poll.

LnGrrrR
03-15-2010, 12:50 PM
They said he couldn't win the CPAC starw poll.

Hey, I don't have much against the guy. (The major gripe I have with him is that he stupidly thinks the majority of atheists are trying to take away his Christmas, when it's mostly a vocal minority.) If he makes it, great. I just don't think he can.

Galileo
03-20-2010, 01:15 PM
Hey, I don't have much against the guy. (The major gripe I have with him is that he stupidly thinks the majority of atheists are trying to take away his Christmas, when it's mostly a vocal minority.) If he makes it, great. I just don't think he can.

scooby snack?