View Full Version : What would Pop-a-Moron do without Ginobilli?
Fabbs
03-10-2010, 10:53 PM
After getting owned at home in the 3rd quarter (again), this time by those baddass New York Knicks, an 82-82 late tie and then GNob takes over.
Thank you Manu!!!
Since Zit cannot match strategy wits with a 4 year old, what would without players like Manu, SJax and Kerr (2003 playoffs), Bob Horry, players who can think and act for themselves and go outside of Pops idiotic **system**.
TJastal
03-10-2010, 10:55 PM
At least he gave Malik some pt tonight, didn't really have a choice with how cold Roger is but it was nice to see anyway.
Now if only Roger can get his confidence back and take Bogans spot I think we'll be looking pretty good for the playoffs
Charles Sappa
03-10-2010, 10:56 PM
Words highly controversial, this post will be lengthy
DesignatedT
03-10-2010, 10:58 PM
manu is the only playmaker on the team.... this team literally doesnt have a point gaurd.
tony is a lot more valuable to this team then people seem to think
it's me
03-10-2010, 11:00 PM
manu is the only playmaker on the team.... this team literally doesnt have a point gaurd.
tony is a lot more valuable to this team then people seem to think
agree.... but that is ALSO Pop's fault.... why don't get a freaking back up PG after he already knew (last year) that mason and hill can't freaking handle the rock????? that's just stupid.
DesignatedT
03-10-2010, 11:01 PM
agree.... but that is ALSO Pop's fault.... why don't get a freaking back up PG after he already knew (last year) that mason and hill can't freaking handle the rock????? that's just stupid.
definitely should have brought in a backup pg.
Death In June
03-10-2010, 11:01 PM
manu is the only playmaker on the team.... this team literally doesnt have a point gaurd.
tony is a lot more valuable to this team then people seem to thinkA team with no point guards or centers. Truly, pop is a genius.
Lots of haterade from the OP.
Pop did a good job - of course you let a Vintage and red-hot Ginobili do his shit. He gave Malik minutes and he seized the opportunity.
Without Ginobili on the court, the Spurs weren't passing, moving, or connecting worth a damn. Pop can't be blamed for that; the players just played ugly as hell without the anti-D'Antoni on the court.
Mason Jr. and Hill especially just weren't that good without him tonight and they're our back-up PG's.
jjktkk
03-10-2010, 11:03 PM
After getting owned at home in the 3rd quarter (again), this time by those baddass New York Knicks, an 82-82 late tie and then GNob takes over.
Thank you Manu!!!
Since Zit cannot match strategy wits with a 4 year old, what would without players like Manu, SJax and Kerr (2003 playoffs), Bob Horry, players who can think and act for themselves and go outside of Pops idiotic **system**.
I know you're trying to rag on Pop, but your coming off like a retard who can't write a sentence correctly. What the fuck are you trying to write exactly?
Fabbs
03-10-2010, 11:05 PM
Lots of haterade from the OP.
Pop did a good job - of course you let a Vintage and red-hot Ginobili do his shit.
Without Ginobili on the court, the Spurs weren't passing, moving, or connecting worth a damn. Pop can't be blamed for that; the players just played ugly as hell without the anti-D'Antoni on the court.
Mason Jr. and Hill just weren't that good without him tonight.
T_Park, are you ready to come out as Cane?
Rick18
03-10-2010, 11:07 PM
After getting owned at home in the 3rd quarter (again), this time by those baddass New York Knicks, an 82-82 late tie and then GNob takes over.
Thank you Manu!!!
Since Zit cannot match strategy wits with a 4 year old, what would without players like Manu, SJax and Kerr (2003 playoffs), Bob Horry, players who can think and act for themselves and go outside of Pops idiotic **system**.
I know I'm sort of ruining the dramatic effect of your post but the scores were never tied at 82. We were up 83-82 and Gallinari had a FT to tie but he missed it.
T_Park, are you ready to come out as Cane?
Nope. Are you ready to come out as an idiot?
Fabbs
03-10-2010, 11:11 PM
I know I'm sort of ruining the dramatic effect of your post but the scores were never tied at 82. We were up 83-82 and Gallinari had a FT to tie but he missed it.
Add a little fiber to your diet.
Are you related to Hump Chumper?
Do you party with T_Park-Cane and Michael FinleyPop?
TJastal
03-10-2010, 11:15 PM
Add a little fiber to your diet.
Are you related to Hump Chumper?
Do you party with T_Park-Cane and Michael FinleyPop?
:lol
Add a little fiber to your diet.
Are you related to Hump Chumper?
Do you party with T_Park-Cane and Michael FinleyPop?
:rollin
santymrc
03-10-2010, 11:28 PM
Add a little fiber to your diet.
Are you related to Hump Chumper?
Do you party with T_Park-Cane and Michael FinleyPop?
:lol:downspin::rollin
Rick18
03-10-2010, 11:36 PM
Add a little fiber to your diet.
Are you related to Hump Chumper?
Do you party with T_Park-Cane and Michael FinleyPop?
:lol Not bad. I laughed.
Still, it's not that hard to admit you were wrong. Go on.
underdawg
03-10-2010, 11:42 PM
Lots of haterade from the OP.
Pop did a good job - of course you let a Vintage and red-hot Ginobili do his shit. He gave Malik minutes and he seized the opportunity.
Without Ginobili on the court, the Spurs weren't passing, moving, or connecting worth a damn. Pop can't be blamed for that; the players just played ugly as hell without the anti-D'Antoni on the court.
Mason Jr. and Hill especially just weren't that good without him tonight and they're our back-up PG's.
You let Manu do his shit? Pop had no choice - he has no answer right now for the lack of guts from most of his rotation players. They have no reason to have guts at this point - a bad performance here and there really doesn't affect playing time. He needs to start benching players until he can find someone that wants to step up. They've had long enough to time to find some type of chemistry, it's time to start doing your job or sit down. If it continues like this Manu will be worn down by the playoffs - a good coach shouldn't let that happen.
ElNono
03-10-2010, 11:50 PM
Mason Jr. and Hill especially just weren't that good without him tonight and they're our back-up PG's.
They're shooting guards... we need to stop with the fantasy that players can play any position. Manu is a freak of nature and obviously an exception to the rule. Nothing more and nothing less.
DesignatedT
03-10-2010, 11:51 PM
the spurs have no point guard outside of tony.... its plain and simple... and its the main reason we are going to continue to struggle until we get him back.... another reason rj is back to playing shitty... no pg to play with.
G-Dawgg
03-11-2010, 12:04 AM
We would be in a whole lot of trouble without Ginobili. None of our guards are 'pure' point guards and Ginobili is our only playmaker, our offense seems out of sync without him in the game... that's why it seems that our bench seems to be the most productive in the league because they all run on the 2nd unit with Ginobili who gets the whole team involved on offense. The only other player on our team with that type of pass-first mentality is Tim Duncan, and he's not a ball handler. Signing Ginobili is imperative for our team considering our lack of a true point guard!
ElNono
03-11-2010, 12:06 AM
I'll give Pop credit for 2 things tonight: Playing Hairston the entire 4th quarter, and having one of Duncan and/or Manu in pretty much all the game.
santymrc
03-11-2010, 12:10 AM
I'll give Pop credit for 2 things tonight: Playing Hairston the entire 4th quarter, and having one of Duncan and/or Manu in pretty much all the game.
In fact, Pop coached this game very well. The 1st game well coached of the year imo. Dice went in and was very important in the 4th Q.
itzsoweezee
03-11-2010, 12:25 AM
i prefer popazit, or popobitch. regardless, i think we can all agree that the guy is clearly a hack.
SenorSpur
03-11-2010, 12:31 AM
Pop probably secretly envies the Celtics because they're fielding a roster of old-heads like Wallace, Garnett, Finley & Allen. In fact, by fielding such a roster of old heads, they've overtaken the Spurs as "the oldest roster in the NBA". I just know Pop is jealous and wants his title back.
pjjrfan
03-11-2010, 12:32 AM
What would the Spurs do without ginobili. Right now the biggest thing for Pop is how to manage Manu's minute where he won't get hurt or worn out by the time the playoffs come around. Without Tony and with Timmy not dominating as he used to, the question is how long and how far can Manu carry this team.
TD 21
03-11-2010, 02:18 AM
manu is the only playmaker on the team.... this team literally doesnt have a point gaurd.
tony is a lot more valuable to this team then people seem to think
Exactly. Hill is a nice player and he can play spot minutes at the point, but he can't be a primary point guard because the worst part of his game is his play making.
What were the geniuses who put this roster together thinking? They were gearing up for a long run so they decided to not have depth at the two positions you need depth most: point guard and center.
Ginobili is going to end up wearing himself out before the playoffs begin. They need to run more of the offense through Duncan, at least have a balance going between the two. Almost every possession can't be a pick-and-roll thirty-some feet from the basket where Ginobili has to create something. It's too predictable and too demanding. Whatever happened to the intricate and expansive playbook on this team? They've become like most teams in this league: a steady diet of pick-and-rolls.
ElNono
03-11-2010, 09:37 AM
Whatever happened to the intricate and expansive playbook on this team? They've become like most teams in this league: a steady diet of pick-and-rolls.
You can only play an 'intricate and expansive playbook' when you have the roster that can execute it. When your backup PG can't dribble with one hand, hesitates to make a pass, and gets constantly trapped between his own defender and the sidelines, execution goes down the drain. You look at a team like Utah, and they might not have over the top talent on every position, but their execution more than makes up for it.
You let Manu do his shit? Pop had no choice - he has no answer right now for the lack of guts from most of his rotation players. They have no reason to have guts at this point - a bad performance here and there really doesn't affect playing time. He needs to start benching players until he can find someone that wants to step up. They've had long enough to time to find some type of chemistry, it's time to start doing your job or sit down.
No shit he had no choice, the Spurs without Ginobili were sucking ass. As for benching players - he did just that if you noticed where the multimillion dollar RJ was while Malik earned his minutes. Good coaches and people who watched the damn game would've done the same thing by letting Manu and Malik keep playing last night.
If it continues like this Manu will be worn down by the playoffs - a good coach shouldn't let that happen.
Yea, its not like Pop hasn't been monitoring his minutes throughout the season (27.8 MPG) or that he doesn't realize Manu is injury-prone. Manu's only starting because the rest of the Spurs can't do shit without him or Parker recently. And its not like he's playing 40 minutes out there; Pop handled it so he only had 33 mins of action and gave him some rest to jumpstart the closing minutes of the game.
They're shooting guards... we need to stop with the fantasy that players can play any position. Manu is a freak of nature and obviously an exception to the rule. Nothing more and nothing less.
They're combo guards that are definitely SG's first and closest to being back-up PGs as it gets for the silver and black. Hill has been great this season unfortunately his playmaking and passing haven't improved as much as his shot.
ElNono
03-11-2010, 10:09 AM
They're combo guards that are definitely SG's first and closest to being back-up PGs as it gets for the silver and black. Hill has been great this season unfortunately his playmaking and passing haven't improved as much as his shot.
Hill was and still is your typical shooting guard. Fairly good shooting, and he can occasionally drive to the basket and finish. He actually needs to improve his finishing around the basket. To be considered a combo guard you at least need to have decent handles (which Hill has), and at somewhat above average passing, which Hill simply does not have yet. His footwork also needs massive work, but he somewhat makes up for that with his wingspan. He might not be able to stay in front of his guy all the time, but he can reach in an poke balls away.
He could turn into a combo guard once he starts correcting some of those issues. Footwork and passing are key, IMO.
Mason, is a borderline shooting guard. He basically is a one trick pony. He could be a fairly good spot up shooter. He has terrible handles, his passing is below average, and his defense is lacking. Combo guard and Roger Mason really don't go in the same sentence.
Fabbs
03-11-2010, 10:14 AM
What were the geniuses who put this roster together thinking? They were gearing up for a long run so they decided to not have depth at the two positions you need depth most: point guard and center.
President of Basketball Operations, Gregor Popovich.
Hill was and still is your typical shooting guard. Fairly good shooting, and he can occasionally drive to the basket and finish. He actually needs to improve his finishing around the basket. To be considered a combo guard you at least need to have decent handles (which Hill has), and at somewhat above average passing, which Hill simply does not have yet. His footwork also needs massive work, but he somewhat makes up for that with his wingspan. He might not be able to stay in front of his guy all the time, but he can reach in an poke balls away.
He could turn into a combo guard once he starts correcting some of those issues. Footwork and passing are key, IMO.
Mason, is a borderline shooting guard. He basically is a one trick pony. He could be a fairly good spot up shooter. He has terrible handles, his passing is below average, and his defense is lacking. Combo guard and Roger Mason really don't go in the same sentence.
Decent analysis but doesn't change the fact that they've been groomed with PG duties and billed as combo-guards especially with the Spurs. They're definitely SGs first and foremost and Mason Jr. even a more limited and shittier version - unfortunately both are still the closest thing to a back-up PG that the Spurs have.
ElNono
03-11-2010, 11:00 AM
Decent analysis but doesn't change the fact that they've been groomed with PG duties and billed as combo-guards especially with the Spurs. They're definitely SGs first and foremost and Mason Jr. even a more limited and shittier version - unfortunately both are still the closest thing to a back-up PG that the Spurs have.
The lack of a legitimate backup PG has been a glaring hole all the way back to last season. You would be right in stating that the Spurs thought that those two guys could play the role. It would be just as right, after seeing the results, to say that the Spurs were simply wrong.
Chieflion
03-11-2010, 11:37 AM
The Spurs also don't have depth at the SF position. Starting a 6"5 Keith Bogans at SF is enough to make people sick. The Spurs have a bunch of SGs masquerading at backup PG because of their size and height. It doesn't help that some of those guys can't run and can't play defense, making small ball an epic fail.
The lack of a legitimate backup PG has been a glaring hole all the way back to last season. You would be right in stating that the Spurs thought that those two guys could play the role. It would be just as right, after seeing the results, to say that the Spurs were simply wrong.
Yup; the Spurs decided to pick up RJ and McDyess over grabbing a legitimate PG. Arguably the SF and big man position are where the Spurs had the bigger holes especially after Parker's sensational season last year and having Hill improve. But to play more of the FO's advocate: The PG position is probably one of the toughest roles to fulfill on the Spurs system even the limited version thats being played today. That might be a reason why they stuck with guys who already have experience under the Spurs system. Also hard to expect Parker, who had a career high season last year, to be as injury prone as he was; otherwise Hill/Mason/Ginobili could together fill that missing role easier.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming offseason at the PG position. Mason Jr. is likely gone so they'll have to get someone that can at least bring the ball up.
what would we do without Ginobili....currently Manu is just as OR MAYBE EVEN MORE valuable to this team than Tim Duncan!!!!!!!!
it was both hilarious and sad watching, when the second manu comes out our offense literally became a clueless stand around and turn it over fest, the second he comes back in he immediately sets someone up. every single time. Manu is probably the most underrated player in the NBA.
OldSilentHill
03-11-2010, 01:58 PM
what would we do without Ginobili....currently Manu is just as OR MAYBE EVEN MORE valuable to this team than Tim Duncan!!!!!!!!
it was both hilarious and sad watching, when the second manu comes out our offense literally became a clueless stand around and turn it over fest, the second he comes back in he immediately sets someone up. every single time. Manu is probably the most underrated player in the NBA.
Why you think is so underrated? Just curious.
Why you think is so underrated? Just curious.
one, he plays on a small market team that is not liked by the majority of the NBA, and two, much of what makes him great doesnt show up in stats. his intangibles are priceless yes theres no statistic for them. much like how robert horry was
ElNono
03-11-2010, 02:41 PM
Yup; the Spurs decided to pick up RJ and McDyess over grabbing a legitimate PG.
Not even that. They could have picked between Mike Wilks, Tyronn Lue or Bobby Jackson instead of signing Ratliff. All of those were available last summer. If they wanted to spend a little more, Juan Dixon, Brevin Knight, Carlos Arroyo and Flip Murray were also available.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming offseason at the PG position. Mason Jr. is likely gone so they'll have to get someone that can at least bring the ball up.
That will probably be Hill... but if Manu goes also, then they're going to have to fill that hole too.
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