THC: The Hairston Coalition

[Blackjack]

THC's 2009-'10 campaign, in all likelihood, came to a close tonight against the Wolves with a tweaked ankle and with the playoffs upon us. But Malik at least to sent us out with a couple of highlight reel dunks. :smokin

It's hard to figure out what goes on from here. I mean, we know he'll have an opportunity to compete with the group of Temple, Gee, Jerrells, Mahinmi and anyone else they look to fill the roster with on the cheap (something RC reinforced today in a interview), but it remains to be seen if Malik can thrive in this offense.

Contrary to popular belief, Malik can shoot. He's not Ray Allen by any means, but he's been a 50% FG shooter throughout his college years, and in his 2 years with the Toros. In 45 regular season games with the Toros (over 2 years) he had a 42.7 3P% (50-117), in his one playoff appearance he went 7-11 for a 63.6 3P%, and he shot 83.2% from the free throw line (292-351).

But without consistent minutes, he never got his footing offensively. The defense has been there, but the uncertainty of his role or how his game best translates in this system, has left him indecisive and out of sync.

It's now a question if this is something that can be remedied with more time and reps, which could have him find his stroke like Hill of last year or a guy like Afflalo when he first broke in, or if he's just not going to thrive in this system offensively. Time will tell, but he clearly doesn't fit in the way a Temple does on this team. (Different players and roles but just in terms of 'fit'.)

There isn't a doubt in my mind that Malik can be a rotation player in the NBA, and a useful piece for these Spurs. But I am beginning to wonder if they're the best fit for each other; the Spurs definitely like him and they're in need of some cheap players to fill the roster next year, so there's a good chance he's back, I'm just not nearly as optimistic as I've been.

So my THC brethren, I ask you all to Get Lifted one more time; hopefully the campaign begins anew this upcoming 2010-'11 season. :smokin

[ChumpDumper]

But without consistent minutes, he never got his footing offensively. The defense has been there, but the uncertainty of his role or how his game best translates in this system, has left him indecisive and out of sync.I just don't get how a spot minute player needs rotation minutes to play their spot player role.

[Blackjack]

I just don't get how a spot minute player needs rotation minutes to play their spot player role.

It doesn't if you're a finished product and veteran in the league who's developed a particular skillset for the role.

Malik's not a finished product and hasn't had the time on the court to find a comfort level or the general know-how needed to excel just yet.

Basketball's a game of rhythm and confidence. How exactly is a young, developing player supposed to find either if given extremely limited and sporadic minutes?

He might just be suited for a different type of system and be more useful to another team, but it's premature to say, IMO. He hasn't seen the time or shown that he's not still improving to say that he couldn't play a role (a more significant one) and help this team.

[ChumpDumper]

Disagree. There have been young players that have thrived in spot minute roles. That's how they got more minutes.

[Blackjack]

Of course there have been. But they brought a ready-made skill set that could thrive in the role. Malik isn't a spot-up shooter or a play-making ballhandler, so he's not going to jump right in and 'fit' with this system.

Malik's a unique type of player (words used by Coach Brown) that the Spurs haven't really had before. He's a talent and could prove to be quite useful to a team, it just remains to be seen if that team is the Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

Wait, didn't we all agree that he did fine shooting spot-up threes in the D-League?

I just don't think excuses need to be made for him. He's not that unique.

[Blackjack]

Damn, Chump, you've been sippin' on the Haterade. :lol

No, well, at least I didn't claim he was some great spot-up shooter, I said he's shown that he's a capable three-point shooter. He's a pretty capable shooter overall from what I've seen and the stats would have you believe. But there's a similar aspect to RJ and how they fit with this system offensively. There could also be a parallel between them when you look at how much better they shot the ball when they were more of, or the, focal point of the offense. (RJ with the Bucks and Malik with the Toros.)

Maybe he's not that unique, to the point that it'd make him some kind of future star, but his combination of size, athleticism, instincts and overall feel aren't usually found together. How many 6' 1/4'' players have the knack of contesting shots, on the interior and perimeter, that he does; or the strength to defend the post against sufficiently larger players and still guard 1-3 (depending on matchups) on the perimeter?

You're not that high on him, I get it. But for what the Spurs need, as far as low-cost options, I don't believe they're going to find many more talented players that possess his upside; they might find a better fit.

[taps]

I'm curious about the prognosis on the tweaked ankle. Didn't hear much about it in the telecast but i hope he's good to go by game 1. I don't think he'll get many minutes out there but I do believe a healthy postseason will help his immediate future with the team

[Blackjack]

I haven't heard anything either, but I'm not expecting to see him on the court during the playoffs (although Sean did say he believed Pop would play the younger guys this year after how Hill acquitted himself against Dallas last year. One can hope).

[HarlemHeat37]

It didn't look that bad, probably just rolled it..

I wouldn't be surprised if Pop went with Hairston or Temple at some points when the Spurs need a spark TBH..not for long, but maybe for a few minutes and for certain matchups..it might be unlikely, but it wouldn't surprise me that much..

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, Chump, you've been sippin' on the Haterade. :lolNo. I simply don't see the need to wax rhapsodic about him and make excuses for him at the same time. He's a spot minute player in the NBA and needs to play like it.


No, well, at least I didn't claim he was some great spot-up shooter, I said he's shown that he's a capable three-point shooter. He's a pretty capable shooter overall from what I've seen and the stats would have you believe. But there's a similar aspect to RJ and how they fit with this system offensively. There could also be a parallel between them when you look at how much better they shot the ball when they were more of, or the, focal point of the offense. (RJ with the Bucks and Malik with the Toros.)From what I remember, he got most of his threes in spot up situations from kickouts from penetrating guards or post players or from working the ball around the horn when he wasn't the fist option. Sounds very Spur like.


Maybe he's not that unique, to the point that it'd make him some kind of future star, but his combination of size, athleticism, instincts and overall feel aren't usually found together. How many 6' 1/4'' players have the knack of contesting shots, on the interior and perimeter, that he does; or the strength to defend the post against sufficiently larger players.As you said. Not that unique.


You're not that high on him, I get it. But for what the Spurs need, as far as low-cost options, I don't believe they're going to find many more talented players that possess his upside; they might find a better fit.Not that high on him. I'm fine with having him on the roster now and in the future, but I'm not going to act like he is a lock as he is playing now or doesn't need to improve. He's come a long way, but he still has quite a way to go.

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^^(HH, Blackjack)

I don't really expect more than a couple of possessions, but I think he'll (Pop) try it for a minute or two.

Upcoming SL/Preseason looks like we'll have a logjam at both guard positions competing for 1 or two open spots so any good impressions that can be made in the postseason will probably go a long way with pop - as there is no way to really simulate that atmosphere. Even if it is just for a minute if he does some positive out there it could give him a slight edge (as his future/fit with the team is uncertain in the THC clubhouse)

[ChumpDumper]

OK, I'll preface this by saying I find the possibility highly unlikely, but --

Houston's D-League team had their hand forced by losing to Reno last night, making tonight's game an elimination game for one of the teams. To stack the deck in their favor, Houston assigned Mike Harris to play in the deciding game. I think they wanted to wait until they made it to the second round against the Toros, but desperate times...

Harris is a proven Toro-killer; just flat out abuses them. The only player available who could have a chance at matching up with him is....

....guess who?

As I said, it's unlikely given Malik's use in real Spur games -- but as serious as the NBA single affiliates of D-League teams seem to be about the playoffs, is a final Hairston assignment out of the question?

If the Vipers advance, the Toros would likely play them in game one on Versus at 2pm CDT Saturday.

[Blackjack]

No. I simply don't see the need to wax rhapsodic about him and make excuses for him at the same time. He's a spot minute player in the NBA and needs to play like it.

You seem to be projecting a belief that some of this isn't to be taken tongue-in-cheek. It is.

I'm a fan of Malik, regardless of where he plays, so I naturally want to see him succeed.


From what I remember, he got most of his threes in spot up situations from kickouts from penetrating guards or post players or from working the ball around the horn when he wasn't the fist option. Sounds very Spur like.

I'll trust you on that, but how much more involved was he in the offense? Was he not one, if not the, focal points of the offense? I believe he led the team in scoring, so I just assumed he was seeing the ball much more and involved in the offense more than an afterthought. Maybe I'm just way off base . . .


As you said. Not that unique.

Good. We agree he's unique. :toast


Not that high on him. I'm fine with having him on the roster now and in the future, but I'm not going to act like he is a lock as he is playing now or doesn't need to improve. He's come a long way, but he still has quite a way to go.

Nor do I and I agree (he's got plenty of room to improve).

I think we're much closer on where we believe Malik to be and his standing with the team than you realize; my fandom seems to elude you.

[ChumpDumper]

Your defensiveness has not eluded me.

I doubt we are that far off as well. I just try to avoid irrational exuberance.

[Blackjack]

^^(HH, Blackjack)

I don't really expect more than a couple of possessions, but I think he'll (Pop) try it for a minute or two.

Upcoming SL/Preseason looks like we'll have a logjam at both guard positions competing for 1 or two open spots so any good impressions that can be made in the postseason will probably go a long way with pop - as there is no way to really simulate that atmosphere. Even if it is just for a minute if he does some positive out there it could give him a slight edge (as his future/fit with the team is uncertain in the THC clubhouse)



As I said, it's unlikely given Malik's use in real Spur games -- but as serious as the NBA single affiliates of D-League teams seem to be about the playoffs, is a final Hairston assignment out of the question?

If the Vipers advance, the Toros would likely play them in game one on Versus at 2pm CDT Saturday.

My thinking was that Hairston was in the plans to be a spot defender to end quarters or to enter when they needed a stop to end a game maybe (much in the same way he's been used over the course of the regular season) but this injury is what precludes me from believing he'll factor in the playoff picture.

If it's not serious and he doesn't miss any practice time and preparation with the team for the playoffs, then I believe the Spurs will keep him with the team and proceed to go about business as usual.

So, no. I don't believe they'll send him down under the circumstance, whether it's the injury or for the potential limited help he could provide during the playoffs; they definitely would've last year, though.

[Blackjack]

Your defensiveness has not eluded me.

I doubt we are that far off as well. I just try to avoid irrational exuberance.

I don't believe I've been irrational in any way when it comes to my actual takes. But my sense of humor and sarcasm could definitely come across that way.

[ChumpDumper]

My thinking was that Hairston was in the plans to be a spot defender to end quarters or to enter when they needed a stop to end a game maybe (much in the same way he's been used over the course of the regular season) but this injury is what precludes me from believing he'll factor in the playoff picture.

If it's not serious and he doesn't miss any practice time and preparation with the team for the playoffs, then I believe the Spurs will keep him with the team and proceed to go about business as usual.So what is business as usual with Hill and Parker back?

It's been awhile since they have played, and of course there is now Temple as well.

[Blackjack]

So what is business as usual with Hill and Parker back?

It's been awhile since they have played, and of course there is now Temple as well.

Business as usual as it pertains to Malik.

I just heard that Malik's x-ray came back negative but after seeing the video of the injury ... it looks to be a 2-weeker.

[ChumpDumper]

Business as usual as it pertains to Malik.So with Hill and Parker back, that pretty much means garbage time.

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Maybe he's not that unique, to the point that it'd make him some kind of future star, but his combination of size, athleticism, instincts and overall feel aren't usually found together. How many 6' 1/4'' players have the knack of contesting shots, on the interior and perimeter, that he does; or the strength to defend the post against sufficiently larger players and still guard 1-3 (depending on matchups) on the perimeter?

...

Someone chopped the poor boys feet off at the ankle? From Draftexpress:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Malik-Hairston-214/

Height without Shoes 6'4.25"
Height with Shoes 6'5.25"

[Blackjack]

So with Hill and Parker back, that pretty much means garbage time.


My thinking was that Hairston was in the plans to be a spot defender to end quarters or to enter when they needed a stop to end a game maybe (much in the same way he's been used over the course of the regular season) but this injury is what precludes me from believing he'll factor in the playoff picture.

And to Malik's injury, it looked pretty comparable to the standard 2-4 diagnosis you usually see for a decent sprain, but he's played through worse and come back quicker in college IIRC. He's a tough kid ... I'm just not sure it means all that much, in terms of the playoffs, for him.

[ChumpDumper]

Really? What minutes did he play against Denver?

[Blackjack]

Someone chopped the poor boys feet off at the ankle? From Draftexpress:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Malik-Hairston-214/

Height without Shoes 6'4.25"
Height with Shoes 6'5.25"

6' 4 1/4'' (I left out the 4, sue me. No wait, don't. I've spent all my money on Hot pockets and Jumbo Jacks. :smokin)

[Blackjack]

Really? What minutes did he play against Denver?

What are you talking about? You're just being argumentative for argumentative's sake. They throw him in to end quarters to play D or to prevent someone from picking up a foul (sometimes it's a couple of minutes, sometimes it's a couple of seconds). Other times they'll throw him in to get stops to end the game. (i.e.- against the Lakers recently or for a possession or two when they absolutely have to have one -- guarding Nash comes to mind for an end-game situation)

He's not going to be a huge factor if he's healthy enough to play, obviously. But if the Spurs believe he could be helpful for some defensive possessions or even minutes to close a game, if or when circumstance dictates, they're going to want to have him with the team.

[ChumpDumper]

Right. With Parker and Hill back, Hairston has been used to keep others out of foul trouble and for garbage time.

That's reasonable.

[Blackjack]

So needing a stop to end a game or a few good defensive possessions is 'garbage time'?

That's reasonable.

[Blackjack]

From what I remember, he got most of his threes in spot up situations from kickouts from penetrating guards or post players or from working the ball around the horn when he wasn't the fist option. Sounds very Spur like.

Ya know, I was in the middle of something when I first responded to this. But, if that was the case, wouldn't that bode well for him if he's given the opportunity next year? I mean, now that Fin's gone and Bogans (the player he outplayed to start the season, before Pop went with the more known quantity) is, at this current time, his only competition for the 'centerpiece' role, is it out of the question that Malik could thrive in the role if given the latitiude and minutes Bogans received?

You did say he had 3-point success in a Spur-like fashion.

[ChumpDumper]

So needing a stop to end a game or a few good defensive possessions is 'garbage time'?

That's reasonable.Did he do that the last couple of games?

We'll see what is normal for Hairston now that Hill and Parker are back.


Ya know, I was in the middle of something when I first responded to this. But, if that was the case, wouldn't that bode well for him if he's given the opportunity next year? I mean, now that Fin's gone and Bogans (the player he outplayed to start the season, before Pop went with the more known quantity) is, at this current time, his only competition for the 'centerpiece' role, is it out of the question that Malik could thrive in the role if given the latitiude and minutes Bogans received?

You did say he had 3-point success in a Spur-like fashion.Right.

Now he has to do for the actual Spurs.

[Blackjack]

Did he do that the last couple of games?

We'll see what is normal for Hairston now that Hill and Parker are back.

What's normal for Hairston is the circumstance in which he usually gets minutes: go in and get stops, cold, and be ready at all times because there's no telling when you're going to be used. :lol


Right.

Now he has to do for the actual Spurs.

I'd love to see him have the opportunity. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

What's normal for Hairston is the circumstance in which he usually gets minutes: go in and get stops, cold, and be ready at all times because there's no telling when you're going to be used. :lolExactly. Which will probably be less with Parker and Hill's being back.

Plus garbage time.


I'd love to see him have the opportunity. :tuHe gets it whenever he plays.

No excuses. :tu

[LakerHater]

Did he get hurt!!??

[Mel_13]

Did he get hurt!!??

Tweaked an ankle in the last minute of the T-Wolves game.

[TD 21]

If Hairston is able to go for game one of the playoffs (which sounds likely), Pop's dream of having no one over 6-9 (I'm not going by the foolish 6-10 listing of Bonner) on the bench (active) will be ruined because he'll be forced to have Mahinmi active. No offense to Temple, who's been solid and like Pop said, the Spurs "may have found one", but he should be inactive in the playoffs.

[Blackjack]

Exactly. Which will probably be less with Parker and Hill's being back.

Plus garbage time.

So we agree on the limited role he'll play, you're just adamant on the semantics.

'It's garbage time, I tell you!' :lol

And one other thing: Why is it that you keep bringing Hill and Parker up?

Hairston's a wing. He'd likely be out there with them in a defensive lineup. He's usually out there with Bogans (Bogans guarding the 2) or to replace Bogans (like he was against the Lakers to close the game against Kobe) or RJ, not at the expense of Hill or Parker. (Actually, he has replaced Tony, but that only helps his chances of seeing the court at some point -- whether it's for a possession or more.)


He gets it whenever he plays.

No excuses. :tu

Rhythm, confidence and certainty ... these seem foreign to you.

I'm hoping Pop and the Spurs are grooming Malik, much in the same way they did Jack, to take over Bogans' role. Then will be able to see what he can do.

No excuses.

[ChumpDumper]

So we agree on the limited role he'll play, you're just adamant on the semantics.

'It's garbage time, I tell you!' :lolBeen garbage lately.


And one other thing: Why is it that you keep bringing Hill and Parker up?

Hairston's a wing. He'd likely be out there with them in a defensive lineup. He's usually out there with Bogans (Bogans guarding the 2) or to replace Bogans (like he was against the Lakers to close the game against Kobe) or RJ, not at the expense of Hill or Parker. (Actually, he has replaced Tony, but that only helps his chances of seeing the court at some point -- whether it's for a possession or more.)Hill and Parker are back. Hairston is playing garbage time. I don't know what part of that you don't understand.


Rhythm, confidence and certainty ... these seem foreign to you.

I'm hoping Pop and the Spurs are grooming Malik, much in the same way they did Jack, to take over Bogans' role. Then will be able to see what he can do.

No excuses.Except you keep making that excuse. :tu

[Blackjack]

Been garbage lately.

Hill and Parker are back. Hairston is playing garbage time. I don't know what part of that you don't understand.

Hill and Parker wouldn't preclude Hairston from seeing his 'garbage' minutes or possessions. I don't know what part of that you don't understand.


Except you keep making that excuse. :tu

You're being obtuse (and I've never used that word or even looked it up).

Look, if you don't understand the difference in being entrusted with a role and the latitude to make mistakes without losing said role, there's nothing I can tell you. I'm not saying he should be given the role, I'm saying he earned the role over Bogans by any on-court measure this year going into the season.

Should he earn it again during the offseason, whether it's over Bogans or anyone else, and he's afforded the same opportunity Bogans was, then there's no excuse; you can't honestly believe a player like Malik, and the assets he brings that could potentially help this team, is going to be the same regardless of the certainty in minutes or role.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm saying he won't necessarily be different. You are free to argue he must be, but that doesn't make it so.

[Blackjack]

I'm not arguing anything.

We both believe his impact will be minimal and that his minutes will be sparse, if existent.

You just seem to think it's because of Parker and Hill. I don't.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not arguing anything.

We both believe his impact will be minimal and that his minutes will be sparse, if existent.

You just seem to think it's because of Parker and Hill. I don't.That's arguing.

[Blackjack]

Arguing implies some kind of butthurtedness to me, even if it's not necessary.

I'm just shootin' the shit.

[ChumpDumper]

Arguing implies some kind of butthurtednessI argue it does not.

[Blackjack]

Well played. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Well, as predicted Mike Harris drops 45 and the Vipers advance to play Austin, most likely starting on Saturday.

[Blackjack]

I noticed they've got a D-League game on NBA TV tomorrow but it doesn't say who.

Any idea? (It might be a replay, though.)

[The Truth #6]

This thread has gotten ridiculously serious all of a sudden. This is a thread with a marijuana reference in the title. I think everyone knows Hairston is a bit player at this point who plays in limited minutes and needs to improve his game. Was this the recent revelation?

[ChumpDumper]

I noticed they've got a D-League game on NBA TV tomorrow but it doesn't say who.

Any idea? (It might be a replay, though.)It's Friday's first round game between Tulsa and Sioux Falls.

The Toros' game will definitely be on Versus Saturday. The only real question is if it's game one or two. Hopefully it's game one since that will be in Austin.

[ChumpDumper]

This thread has gotten ridiculously serious all of a sudden. This is a thread with a marijuana reference in the title. I think everyone knows Hairston is a bit player at this point who plays in limited minutes and needs to improve his game. Was this the recent revelation?We're just arguing.

[Blackjack]

Marijuana?

Arguing?

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I'll be damned ... it can be done.

[spursincharge]

Toros will be Saturday at 2 PM - Game 1 in Austin

Monday at 7:30 PM in RGV and if necessary Wednesday at 7:30 PM in RGV

[kromediablo]

Seriously looking back at it....would you rather have hairston or goran dragic of the suns.....dragic reminds me of Manu ginobili!!!

[Blackjack]

I'd rather have Hairston (and Dejuan Blair and I'm sure Holt appreciated the extra $500K).

[Blackjack]

It ain't a fascination, it's a coalition -- The Coalition, brah.

Shout out to FkLA


we're talking about scrubs here yet the Get Lifted crew acts like Hairston wouldve been a huge upgrade.



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[ohmwrecker]

I think I would like Hairston more if he grew a big, James Hardenesque beard.

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Seriously looking back at it....would you rather have hairston or goran dragic of the suns.....dragic reminds me of Manu ginobili!!!

The only difference so far between the two players is that one was allowed to make his mistakes getting playing time, and the other hasn't gotten meaningful minutes in two years.

[jag]

I wonder if Montepaschi Siena will have a Hairston Coalition?

[Cane]

The only difference so far between the two players is that one was allowed to make his mistakes getting playing time, and the other hasn't gotten meaningful minutes in two years.

Thats the only difference huh? :downspin:

[ohmwrecker]

My condolences, Blackjack.

[Blackjack]

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[benefactor]

First the Sato Locos and now this. I'm going need some medication.

[Obstructed_View]

Thats the only difference huh? :downspin:

Yep. Suns fans hated Dragic while he was getting a chance to make mistakes learning the NBA game. Pop's got a pretty good record of micromanaging guys out of the organization that don't get "my favorite player" treatment. At this point the only difference between the two of them has been the opportunity they were given by their respective teams.

[ceperez]

Appears that Spurs still have Hairston's rights.

So maybe THC get resurrected in 2 years time.

[Cane]

Yep. Suns fans hated Dragic while he was getting a chance to make mistakes learning the NBA game. Pop's got a pretty good record of micromanaging guys out of the organization that don't get "my favorite player" treatment. At this point the only difference between the two of them has been the opportunity they were given by their respective teams.

:lol Thinking that the only difference between Malik and Dragic is playing time.

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:lol Thinking that the only difference between Malik and Dragic is playing time.

:lol at your inability to quantify anything else to make your case.

[Cane]

:lol at your inability to quantify anything else to make your case.


Dragic showed talent when he got minutes
He's a PG/SG not a SG/SF
Bettter background than Malik, already more talented before coming to the league
Hasn't encountered injuries that set back his progress as much


LOL @ thinking that the only difference between Malik and Dragic being minutes played

Shouldn't the entire league be jumping on Malik if he was the next Dragic and just needed minutes??? :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

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Dragic showed talent when he got minutes
He's a PG/SG not a SG/SF
Bettter background than Malik, already more talented before coming to the league
Hasn't encountered injuries that set back his progress as much


LOL @ thinking that the only difference between Malik and Dragic being minutes played

Shouldn't the entire league be jumping on Malik if he was the next Dragic and just needed minutes??? :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

Wow, and the fail posts keep rollin'. Both of them have talent, both of them played at a position of need, both played well before coming into the NBA, neither had injuries. One got consistent playing time, the other didn't. One got more minutes his second season, the other got fewer. One is still with his team because he has reason to believe he's going to have a shot to start, the other left because he already lost a starting job to a vet scrub who can't even get an NBA gig right now and wasn't going to get a guaranteed contract. Given the situation, I don't blame the Spurs for giving him an opportunity to go, but I don't blame Hairston for bolting for a steady paycheck either.

[ChumpDumper]

Appears that Spurs still have Hairston's rights.They don't.

[DesignatedT]

why is goran dragic even being talked about :lol

[Cane]

Wow, and the fail posts keep rollin'. Both of them have talent, both of them played at a position of need, both played well before coming into the NBA, neither had injuries. One got consistent playing time, the other didn't. One got more minutes his second season, the other got fewer. One is still with his team because he has reason to believe he's going to have a shot to start, the other left because he already lost a starting job to a vet scrub who can't even get an NBA gig right now and wasn't going to get a guaranteed contract. Given the situation, I don't blame the Spurs for giving him an opportunity to go, but I don't blame Hairston for bolting for a steady paycheck either.

And Dragic was a better talent than Malik before the NBA and didn't encounter the injury setbacks that Malik had earlier in the year.

How the fuck can you say that the only difference between Malik and Dragic is just minutes played? Shouldn't the league be jumping on Malik if he just needs minutes to be the next Dragic? :lol

[Obstructed_View]

And Dargic was a better talent than Malik before the NBA and didn't encounter the injury setbacks that Malik had earlier in the year.
Neither of which is remotely true, but keep telling yourself that.


How the fuck can you say that the only difference between Malik and Dragic is just minutes played? Shouldn't the entire league be jumping on Malik if he just needs minutes to be the next Dragic? :lol
Because it's the only difference at this point. :lol "the next Dragic"

[Cane]

Neither of which is remotely true, but keep telling yourself that.


Both of which are true. You do realize that Malik suffered injuries right and showed next to nothing when he was on the court?



Because it's the only difference at this point. :lol "the next Dragic"

Nope, but keep telling yourself that like how Pop didn't play the rookie Blair in the reg season or playoffs :lol

Why aren't there any teams showing interest in Malik?

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Both of which are true. You do realize that Malik suffered injuries right and showed next to nothing when he was on the court?
Still wrong on both counts.


Why aren't there any teams showing interest in Malik?
Since he was released by the Spurs to sign with a European team, he was never available. I'm not sure how you think it means anything that teams didn't show any interest in someone they didn't know was moving and didn't have a shot at because he was under contract.

[ElNono]

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[Cane]

Still wrong on both counts.


Since he was released by the Spurs to sign with a European team, he was never available. I'm not sure how you think it means anything that teams didn't show any interest in someone they didn't know was moving and didn't have a shot at because he was under contract.

I'll just go with another poster's reaction to your recent posts:


You are being very silly today.

Hairston didn't show enough in his NBA minutes that can make one say he's the next Dragic or that he truly deserved a spot on a NBA roster. The fact that he was released by the Spurs when they need defensive oriented SF's that can spread the floor should say a lot especially since no NBA team offered him a contract unlike Ian (unless the Euro contract is just too lucrative to pass up for his career).

Hairston lit up the d-league and had that one awesome leaning-dunk in the reg season...but failed to impress enough for a rotation spot as a Spur.

[lefty]

CROFL Hairston

[jag]

Yep. Suns fans hated Dragic while he was getting a chance to make mistakes learning the NBA game. Pop's got a pretty good record of micromanaging guys out of the organization that don't get "my favorite player" treatment. At this point the only difference between the two of them has been the opportunity they were given by their respective teams.

Suns fans didn't hate Dragic. Dragic was drafted to be the backup PG and was groomed as such. Hairston was drafted as a second round pick who would be lucky to make the team. This comparison seems odd.

Fans love to say of their new found favorite, "if only he got more playing time he'd find his rhythm and show his true colors." It's an argument based solely on wishful thinking. Guys on the end of the bench must force the coach to play them by bringing something to the table that no one else on the team has. See Devin Brown, or more recently Garret Temple. The Spurs and Pop don't owe Hairston anything. He apparently didn't have what the Spurs need.

[Texas_Ranger]

Hairston is just as good as Dragič. :lol
Goran is 5X better.

And I'm not saying that just cause I'm from Slo.

[lefty]

Hairston is just as good as Dragič. :lol
Goran is 5X better.

And I'm not saying that just cause I'm from Slo.
Dragic is 100000 times better than MH

[Blackjack]

Haters gonna hate, rationalize their team's decisions to not look so poor.

Fact of the matter is, they screwed up with Malik. There's no getting around that -- pretending that Keith Bogans was a better player or earned his spot over Hairston last year is laughable and could only been given credence by one who deems Hairston fans delusional. They not only failed to utilze the best of their options last year by playing Bogans, they cost themselves and Hairston valuable time to see what they really had and just how much he could help in a clear team deficiency.

Hairston wasn't a star, nor did we claim him to be, but he's an NBA-caliber player. He can contribute at this level. If you don't believe he could help a team that's perimeter defense is duct-taped together with a 6-2 guard and will now rely on a 6-5 combo-guard in Temple and a generously listed 6-6 rookie in Anderson ... I don't know what to tell you; oh, I guess I left out Gee who's always been noted for his defense. Malik was even undersized but he's proven capable of overcoming it in stints versus bigger players.


Hater's gonna hate -- hater's do that.

It's what they do.

They hate.


HATERS!!!


THC ain't dead, y'all. The Man just relocated.



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PEACE OUT, SA TOWN




Oh, and Italy . . .





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GET LIFTED . . . :smokin

And where the white women at?

[ElNono]

lol Italy :lmao

[200 miles]

[QUOTE=Blackjack;4547732]Haters gonna hate, rationalize their team's decisions to not look so poor.

Fact of the matter is, they screwed up with Malik. There's no getting around that -- pretending that Keith Bogans was a better player or earned his spot over Hairston last year is laughable and could only been given credence by one who deems Hairston fans delusional. They not only failed to utilze the best of their options last year by playing Bogans, they cost themselves and Hairston valuable time to see what they really had and just how much he could help in a clear team deficiency.

Hairston wasn't a star, nor did we claim him to be, but he's an NBA-caliber player. He can contribute at this level. If you don't believe he could help a team that's perimeter defense is duct-taped together with a 6-2 guard and will now rely on a 6-5 combo-guard in Temple and a generously listed 6-6 rookie in Anderson ... I don't know what to tell you; oh, I guess I left out Gee who's always been noted for his defense. Malik was even undersized but he's proven capable of overcoming it in stints versus bigger players.


Hater's gonna hate -- hater's do that.

It's what they do.

They hate.


HATERS!!!


+1

First they fucked up with Ian and now they let Malik go. Two young and athletic defenders down the fucking drain. With Malik gone, it leaves a fucking roster spot open in which the fucking FO will probably bring back fucking Bogans or some other washed-up, over-the-hill fucking vet.

IS THERE NO END TO THIS FUCKING MADNESS?!

:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

[Chieflion]

No more Chieflion onion articles.

[TimmehC]

lol Italy

:lmao

[dbestpro]

Now accepting applicants . . . :smokin

http://www.nba.com/media/spurs/090718_hairston_275.jpg

Do we all get a refund on that application now?

[Blackjack]

Do we all get a refund on that application now?

Why?

Hairston left the Spurs, The Coalition didn't disband or leave him.

[dbestpro]

Why?

Hairston left the Spurs, The Coalition didn't disband or leave him.

Cause I don't speak Italian.

[Blackjack]

Cause I don't speak Italian.


Neither does Malik. But I bet Italians can speak THC. :smokin

[SouthTexasRancher]

We are like the Cavs & Raptors of the SW...Ian & Malik leave for greener pastures. Like this is the end of the world as we now know it.

OK, I'm over the bball divorce. Life goes on...! tic

[Dro210]

It's still THC all day.

[wildbill2u]

I know this is a thread for Malik fans, but fans often let their emotions run away with their evaluations of a player. But try an think through this comparison with another young Spur who may develop his own fan base.

Last year--as a rookie--Garrett Temple played 27 games for 334 minutes on 3 teams, 193 of them with the Spurs at the end of the season. He played SIX playoff games. My opinion doesn't count, but you could easily tell from the comments of the coaches--and the fact that they played him in playoff games--that they had a high opinion of his skills and his poise.

Malik Hairston, in his second year with the Spurs played in 47 regular season games for 317 minutes. NO PLAYOFF GAMES. It should be obvious that he had an opportunity to impress the coaches with his game and came up short compared to other players they either have or want to look at.

Wwithout as much time in the Spurs system Temple still exceeded Hairston per game average in the following categories: rebounds , steals, blocks, assists and points. And although he is a defensive specialist, he showed a lot of confidence and poise while running the team as a backup.

I don't hate Malik. Why should I. He tries very hard to get by on his heart and hustle. Unfortunately, basketball is a game where heart and hustle can only carry you so far and then players with greater talent move ahead of you. I hope he does well in Europe and develops his talent to where some NBA team will give him another chance.

[Blackjack]

How are you going to compare a guy like Temple (who I am a big fan of) with Malik in this case? Malik's a small forward that excels defensively, off the ball and on the move. He played behind a guy they were paying $14.2M to play big-time minutes and a player in Bogans the Spurs simply put too much faith into.

You do realize Temple was playing at the 1-2 and that the reason he got playing time was because of injuries at the point and because of good play in that stint he got a semi-look in the playoffs, right?

I'm just tired of the either/or talk and the people that want to dismiss or shit on Malik because a few of us are fans of the guy and like to have fun with the whole thing. It's like they believe we're saying this guy is an All-Star in the making when all we're saying is the guy's done and shown everything needed to get a REAL look. A REAL opportunity to go out an play that centerpiece role Pop likes to refer to.

I'm not comparing Malik to Bruce as a player, but look at it this way. If you're job is to go out and be a defensive specialist and bring toughness and energy to the court, how exactly does one go about doing that with a few scattered minutes over the course of a season and largely in garbage time? How would Bowen have fared if all you saw him do was play a couple of good defensive possessions and then miss a shot, turn the ball over or just miss one assignment in a couple of short minutes and immediately got the hook?

If you want to have a defensive stopper on the floor or improve your defense on the perimeter, you've got to let the guy play. Defensive players find a rhythm too. Often times, the longer they're out there the more they help you out on the other end as well -- they get loose, find a rhythm and gain confidence as they see more minutes.

I've never said Malik was Bruce Bowen or an approximation but the Spurs have been declining defensively for the last few years. They needed better personnel, athleticism. They needed to supplement all of their veteran-ness with youth and energy. Malik represented their best chance to do so and they simply wouldn't give him a legitimate look.

He could've and should've helped the Spurs last year. And had he been given a real opportunity to showcase his game as well as grow and gain confidence as a player with some regular, decent minutes ... who knows? Why is it so hard to believe Hairston could've found a role the way Brown or Weems have; or any other young player that happened to be helping an NBA team?

I'm guessing Malik wouldn't be asking to go overseas had he been given the opportunity Bogans was given. If not with the Spurs, some team could've found use for him.

[jag]

I know this is a thread for Malik fans, but fans often let their emotions run away with their evaluations of a player.

Theree isn't anything in this thread that makes me think his fan base is being anything other than objective.

Apparently Malik chose Siena over the Spurs so I'm not sure why fans are mad at the FO.

[BackHome]

I know this is a thread for Malik fans, but fans often let their emotions run away with their evaluations of a player. But try an think through this comparison with another young Spur who may develop his own fan base.

Last year--as a rookie--Garrett Temple played 27 games for 334 minutes on 3 teams, 193 of them with the Spurs at the end of the season. He played SIX playoff games. My opinion doesn't count, but you could easily tell from the comments of the coaches--and the fact that they played him in playoff games--that they had a high opinion of his skills and his poise.

Malik Hairston, in his second year with the Spurs played in 47 regular season games for 317 minutes. NO PLAYOFF GAMES. It should be obvious that he had an opportunity to impress the coaches with his game and came up short compared to other players they either have or want to look at.

Wwithout as much time in the Spurs system Temple still exceeded Hairston per game average in the following categories: rebounds , steals, blocks, assists and points. And although he is a defensive specialist, he showed a lot of confidence and poise while running the team as a backup.

I don't hate Malik. Why should I. He tries very hard to get by on his heart and hustle. Unfortunately, basketball is a game where heart and hustle can only carry you so far and then players with greater talent move ahead of you. I hope he does well in Europe and develops his talent to where some NBA team will give him another chance.

+1 You can copy this for Malik, Ian, and Pop.....etc...We always fall in love with the underdog but it doesn't always work out.

[jag]

we're saying is the guy's done and shown everything needed to get a REAL look. A REAL opportunity to go out an play that centerpiece role Pop likes to refer to.

Malik got a real look. A real 2-year look.


I'm not comparing Malik to Bruce as a player, but look at it this way. If you're job is to go out and be a defensive specialist and bring toughness and energy to the court, how exactly does one go about doing that with a few scattered minutes over the course of a season and largely in garbage time? How would Bowen have fared if all you saw him do was play a couple of good defensive possessions and then miss a shot, turn the ball over or just miss one assignment in a couple of short minutes and immediately got the hook?

You just made the comparison...after you said you're not comparing them. Their skill sets are very different, and though he was reasonably competent on defense, i fail to see how you can paint him as a defensive ace.


If you want to have a defensive stopper on the floor or improve your defense on the perimeter, you've got to let the guy play. Defensive players find a rhythm too. Often times, the longer they're out there the more they help you out on the other end as well -- they get loose, find a rhythm and gain confidence as they see more minutes.

He could've and should've helped the Spurs last year. And had he been given a real opportunity to showcase his game as well as grow and gain confidence as a player with some regular, decent minutes

You've already said he's a spot player...so how many minutes does this guy need to get into both a defensive and offensive rhythm? Apparently he's a spot player who needs more than spot minutes to perform well. He's a 6'5" SF...he better be really special whenever he sees the floor or he's not going to see it often.


I'm guessing Malik wouldn't be asking to go overseas had he been given the opportunity Bogans was given. If not with the Spurs, some team could've found use for him.

If Malik were highly valued he would have been given offers to other NBA teams. ST posters aren't the only ones who have seen him play. Ian was signed fairly quickly as soon as he entered free agency. Your emotions are really making this whole thing awkward.

[Blackjack]

Theree isn't anything in this thread that makes me think his fan base is being anything other than objective.

Apparently Malik chose Siena over the Spurs so I'm not sure why fans are mad at the FO.


Why you mad? Why is it so hard for you to believe that the Spurs liked Hairston and would have liked to have had him stick around, but actually sat down with the guy and told him what the real situation was? That they had Ginobili, Hill, Jefferson, Anderson and Neal playing at the 2/3 and Malik would be put in the same situation he was last year. I'll be mildly shocked if we don't hear about how the Spurs felt it necessary to do right by the player and let him know exactly what was up.

I don't have a problem with Malik choosing to go elsewhere when given that information, and I actually respect the Spurs for being as brutally honest as possible with their players (which they've been known to be and I believe they did in this case). The Spurs most likely didn't see the time for him to really play and that because he was out of D-League eligibility he wouldn't have the opportunity to improve his game riding the bench.

This all makes sense put into the Spurs' recent perspective and decision making, but I simply don't agree with the thought process. They've been mixing their message for 3 years now saying they're still this defensive team, yet they leave Duncan on an island with the likes of Bonner defensively and their first line of defense is nowhere near where it used to be.

The Spurs have built their championship success on defense. They've strayed -- all I can hope for is that the combination of Anderson and Temple can really do some positive things on the perimeter defensively. The Spurs need a trade as-is to be a real contender, but they're going to need the young guys come through as well (well, until they sign the next Bogans, that is).

[jag]

Why you mad?

Why would i be mad?


Why is it so hard for you to believe that the Spurs liked Hairston and would have liked to have had him stick around, but actually sat down with the guy and told him what the real situation was? That they had Ginibili, Hill, Jefferson, Anderson and Neal playing at the 2/3 and Malik would be put in the same situation he was last year? I'll be mildly shocked if we don't hear about how the Spurs felt it necessary to do right by the player and let him know exactly what was up.

So the Spurs had a guy that they saw a lot of potential in, wanted to have on the roster, had under contract, but released him because they wanted to do right by Malik? The Spurs don't even have a legitimate backup SF. It doesn't make sense that they would release the guy unless they preferred Gee or didn't see making the team.



The Spurs have built their championship success on defense. They've strayed -- all I can hope for is that the combination of Anderson and Temple can really do some positive things on the perimeter defensively. The Spurs need a trade as-is to be a real contender, but they're going to need the young guys come through as well (well, until they sign the next Bogans, that is).

Again, you're painting Hairston as a great defensive player. He was competent and athletic but lacked the lateral quickness it takes to guard perimeter players. If he were better than bogans defensively he would have seen more minutes. You deciding that he was a defensive specialist doesn't make it so.

[Obstructed_View]

Again, you're painting Hairston as a great defensive player. He was competent and athletic but lacked the lateral quickness it takes to guard perimeter players. If he were better than bogans defensively he would have seen more minutes. You deciding that he was a defensive specialist doesn't make it so.

Complete dumbass takes like the above is why this discussion is pointless.

[jag]

Complete dumbass takes like the above is why this discussion is pointless.

You think he had the quickness to guard other 6'4-6'5 perimeter players? I saw a guy who was better at guarding SF's who bodied up with him. And while i think Malik was a better offensive player and enjoyed watching him more than Bogans, im not sure how you can say Hairston was better defensively.

[jag]

Yep. Suns fans hated Dragic while he was getting a chance to make mistakes learning the NBA game. Pop's got a pretty good record of micromanaging guys out of the organization that don't get "my favorite player" treatment. At this point the only difference between the two of them has been the opportunity they were given by their respective teams.

I can think of other reasons why this discussion is pointless.

[Blackjack]

Malik got a real look. A real 2-year look.

In the practice they don't do?

What exactly were you watching to be so dismissive of him being able to contribute? Is' George Hill Bowen's equal and was the Spurs frontline so vaunted they didn't need perimeter defense; Hairston was their most versatile and best equipped defensive player on the perimeter last year. He didn't play. Bogans did. That's a fact. And no one who saw last year's Summer League or followed the preseason would tell you Malik didn't outplay Bogans for the job. So what exactly can he prove in the practices they don't have and in limited and sporadic minutes, often meaningless, he gets during the season?



You just made the comparison...after you said you're not comparing them. Their skill sets are very different, and though he was reasonably competent on defense, i fail to see how you can paint him as a defensive ace.

Because you're just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

What exactly would have been Malik's role had he been given the opportunity? Was it not the same one Bogans was given, the one molded from the likes of Bowen? It's not that hard to figure if you just read the post and don't come at the post with a preconceived notion.


You've already said he's a spot player...so how many minutes does this guy need to get into both a defensive and offensive rhythm? Apparently he's a spot player who needs more than spot minutes to perform well. He's a 6'5" SF...he better be really special whenever he sees the floor or he's not going to see it often.

What spot minutes did you see consistently, the last 2 seconds of quarters? A couple of minutes here or there, never a consistent look or role? The funny thing is, you and others can be so dismissive of Hairston's ability because you don't like how some of us have fun with THC or because people like myself have been a fan before he was a Spur, you just feel the need to shit on the guy to prove a point to us. Keith Bogans was playing the minutes he should have been playing. Keith Bogans. You do realize this is the guy you're saying Malik had no business playing in front of or that he didn't show enough to deserve a look, right? Keith Bogans. The Bulldog. The Centerpiece. Yeah. That guy. At least you and a few others are consistent with the failed logic, though. :tu



If Malik were highly valued he would have been given offers to other NBA teams. ST posters aren't the only ones who have seen him play. Ian was signed fairly quickly as soon as he entered free agency. Your emotions are really making this whole thing awkward.

See, this is one of those things that I alluded to where you've already made a judgment and come to a conclusion before you've actually read and comprehended what was written. If Malik would have been playing, proving his worth, showing what he was capable of and being able to put himself on the radar, he'd probably generate some interest from a couple of teams. That's how it works. You have to either be a no-doubt prospect or given an opportunity to prove your worth to find one GM or personnel evaluator or decision maker to believe in you and want to take a chance on you. It's kinda hard to do when you're on the bench behind Keith Bogans. That one. Same guy.

Read, comprehend, breathe, reply. There's no rush to be a curmudgeon. You've got all the time in the world -- or you could just move along if the guy's so irrelevant to you. I mean, why must you be so compelled to speak negatively on the topic of a guy who did everything right, busted his ass and had a lot of fans in the Spurs organization? Oh, that's right. It has nothing to do with Malik and everything to do with people like myself. People who root for a player and question the Spurs thought process from time to time.

Keith "Centerpiece" Bogans.

[ElNono]

lol @ saying Malik has no lateral quickness while our starting SF let's people go by like nobody is there. And Bogans? Bogans and defense shouldn't be in the same sentence, period.

[Blackjack]

lol @ saying Malik has no lateral quickness while our starting SF let's people go by like nobody is there. And Bogans? Bogans and defense shouldn't be in the same sentence, period.

I remember a time where I was smart enough to just leave a post as succinct and to the point as that. But I may have been dreaming.

[jag]

In the practice they don't do?

What exactly were you watching to be so dismissive of him being able to contribute? Is' George Hill Bowen's equal and was the Spurs frontline so vaunted they didn't need perimeter defense; Hairston was their most versatile and best equipped defensive player on the perimeter last year. He didn't play. Bogans did. That's a fact. And no one who saw last year's Summer League or followed the preseason would tell you Malik didn't outplay Bogans for the job. So what exactly can he prove in the practices they don't have and in limited and sporadic minutes, often meaningless, he gets during the season?

I have told you multiple time i thought he could contribute. I followed the summer league as well as the preseason and enjoyed watching him. Malik has a better offensive game and is much more athletic than Bogans, and if he were better than Bogans defensively he would have received more minutes. If you'd rather insist on their being a conspiracy then so be it.





Because you're just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

What exactly would have been Malik's role had he been given the opportunity? Was it not the same one Bogans was given, the one molded from the likes of Bowen? It's not that hard to figure if you just read the post and don't come at the post with a preconceived notion.

You're being irrational because your distraught. Malik has a different skill set than Bogans so im not exactly sure what role he would have been given. Bogans was given that role because it fit his style. I cant understand why you assume Malik was groomed for a "Bowen" role.



What spot minutes did you see consistently?
Spot minutes aren't meant to be consistent. That's why they're spot minutes. Players who perform well with sporadic minutes get consistent minutes.


funny thing is, you and others can be so dismissive of Hairston's ability because you don't like how some of us have fun with THC or because people like myself have been a fan before he was a Spur, you just feel the need to shit on the guy to prove a point to us. Keith Bogans was playing the minutes he should have been playing. Keith Bogans. You do realize this is the guy you're saying Malik had no business playing in front of or that he didn't show enough to deserve a look, right? Keith Bogans. The Bulldog. The Centerpiece. Yeah. That guy. At least you and a few others are consistent with the failed logic, though. :tu

Ultimately, when it comes to Hairston, your emotional highs and lows have not changed how i feel about him. I liked him being on the roster. I still think he has potential. I thought it would have been interesting to see him as the backup SF, but apparently the Spurs don't agree...and neither do any other NBA teams. I can accept that. Your over the top praising of him, which you claim is tongue-in-cheek, is really just something i find odd.




Malik would have been playing, proving his worth, showing what he was capable of and being able to put himself on the radar, he'd probably generate some interest from a couple of teams. That's how it works. You have to either be a no-doubt prospect or given an opportunity to prove your worth to find one GM or personnel evaluator or decision maker to believe in you and want to take a chance on you. It's kinda hard to do when you're on the bench behind Keith Bogans. That one. Same guy.

When the Spurs signed him, Malik was neither a "no-doubt" prospect nor an NBA player who had proven his worth. Ian was also neither of those things when the Mavs signed him a couple weeks ago. Why are there so many conditions involved for this guy to work out as a rotation player?


I mean, why must you be so compelled to speak negatively on the topic of a guy who did everything right, busted his ass and had a lot of fans in the Spurs organization? Oh, that's right. It has nothing to do with Malik and everything to do with people like myself. People who root for a player and question the Spurs thought process from time to time.

Keith "Centerpiece" Bogans.

As someone who liked and rooted for Malik, im not sure why I would cause myself to speak negatively about Malik.

And your fascination with Bogans is somewhat puzzling. You do realize he saw very little action towards the end of the season, and almost no time in the playoffs, right? And you do realize Pop was being facetious when he referred to bogans as the centerpiece, right?

[jag]

lol @ saying Malik has no lateral quickness while our starting SF let's people go by like nobody is there. And Bogans? Bogans and defense shouldn't be in the same sentence, period.

My comment about his lateral quickness had nothing to do with a Bogans/Hairston comparison. Neither Bogans nor Hairston showed great ability guarding quick players on the perimeter. Bogans proved to be smarter defensively than Hairston, and that's why Hairston didn't take his minutes.

You do a great job of advocating for Hairston as long as context isn't taken into account.

[Blackjack]

I have told you multiple time i thought he could contribute. I followed the summer league as well as the preseason and enjoyed watching him. Malik has a better offensive game and is much more athletic than Bogans, and if he were better than Bogans defensively he would have received more minutes. If you'd rather insist on their being a conspiracy then so be it.

Who said anything about a conspiracy? Pop went with Bogans because he was a vet and he knew what he would get out of him. He wanted as much certainty and stability surrounding a group that was anything but cohesive after a roster overhaul. There's no conspiracy, just a poor decision -- a predilection for the old, known quantity rather than the possibility of any uncertainty or upside .


You're being being irrational because your distraught. Malik has a different skill set than Bogans so im not exactly sure what role he would have been given. Bogans was given that role because it fit his style. I cant understand why you assume Malik was groomed for a "Bowen" role.

I'm not distraught or irrational. Perplexed? A bit, probably shouldn't be, but a bit. You just still fail to comprehend. I never said Malik was Bowen. I even said I'm not comparing them. I meant the players. Are we clear? But let me ask you something, was he not in competition with Bogans? Was Malik not there to be a defensive presence and hopefully grow into a small forward of the future (backing up or starting)? Malik's role would've been the same one Bogans assumed. Bogans ain't Bowen and just because he's bald and shoots from the corner doesn't make him a better fit for the Spurs. He can't shoot. People bagging on Malik's shot when there's no sample size to choose from with the Spurs (and they completely dismiss his shooting at Oregon or the D-League) and saying he's not as good or better defender than Bogans aren't watching the same game. The Spurs would have been better off playing Malik instead of Bogans last year. That's not fanboy talk, it's logic. Bogans had no business being given the leeway he was.




Spot minutes aren't meant to be consistent. That's why they're spot minutes. Players who perform well with sporadic minutes get consistent minutes.

Spot minutes aren't 2 seconds. And if you're going to tell me the Spurs couldn't have used Malik for 5-10 minutes in the first half of just about every game to buy time for their vets and see if he got going or not, I don't know what to tell you. They were playing Bogans and Mason minutes when they should have known damn well they weren't good enough basketball players to count on down the stretch. Hairston probably wasn't either but at least there was a shot -- when you can play D as well as he can and bring the energy and athleticism to game as he can, you at least leave open the possibility he could help you in some facet. Bogans is a one-dimensional defender who's not all that good of a defender and Mason was a shooter that couldn't shoot. Pop stuck to his vets, and it was to his fault (as it has been the last few years).




Ultimately, when it comes to Hairston, your emotional highs and lows have not changed how i feel about him. I liked him being on the roster. I still think he has potential. I thought it would have been interesting to see him as the backup SF, but apparently the Spurs don't agree...and neither do any other NBA teams. I can accept that. Your over the top praising of him, which you claim is tongue-in-cheek, is really just something i find odd.


What highs and lows? I told you why I didn't like the move, explained my reasoning and you've yet to refute one thing I've said with any logical response. Why were the Spurs better off in playing Bogans over Malik? Why am I and others so off base as to think that the Spurs could've and would've benefited from the guy had they actually utilized him? Where's my over-the-top praising of him? Honestly, where did I say anything that was outlandish or wasn't true about Hairston as a player, the fact that he may have been their best perimeter defender on the roster last year? Seeing as Ginobili can't be taking on those responsibilities and Hill's 6-2, I don't see how that could be over the top. He was arguably their best perimeter defender last year. Call it an indictment of the team or whatever you want, but the Spurs needed help on that end of the floor and didn't throw him a real bone -- and the report says Malik requested the release. Apparently, you're assuming the Spurs didn't believe in Malik ... apparently.



When the Spurs signed him, Malik was neither a "no-doubt" prospect nor an NBA player who had proven his worth. Ian was also neither of those things when the Mavs signed him a couple weeks ago. Why are there so many conditions involved for this guy to work out as a rotation player?

Ian Mahinmi's 6-11 and has shown some impressive talent. That's what happens with Bigs. People find reasons to like them and take a chance on them. 6-5 wings that don't get playing time aren't all that appealing.


As someone who liked and rooted for Malik, im not sure why I would cause myself to speak negatively about Malik.

It's not about Malik. We've established that. You've just felt compelled to dismiss him as a means to show your annoyance with the people that believe the Spurs screwed up when it comes to him.


And your fascination with Bogans is somewhat puzzling. You do realize he saw very little action towards the end of the season, and almost no time in the playoffs, right?

Fascination, more like can't understand how it is you fail to recognize that's why Malik didn't see any real playing time. Why he was never given the opportunity he should have earned prior to the regular season. Was Bogans losing time towards the end of the season and seeing a diminished role, yeah. And? The Spurs play 82 games and if you're smart you do you're tinkering around at the beginning of the season, find out exactly what you have throughout your roster and then set a rotation and trim the fat as the playoffs roll around. Now I realize they got screwed with some injuries and had problems incorporating a bunch of new players onto the roster, but why was it that Bogans was chosen to be a stabilizer? He just got outplayed by Hairston, someone who was actually familiar with the Spurs and their system.

The Spurs screwed the pooch with that decision. Did it cost them a championship or are they going to be looked at as morons because Malik's going to be an All-Star someday? No, no one ever said that. But they made a poor decision and it wound up costing them and a player some valuable time.


And you do realize Pop was being facetious when he referred to bogans as the centerpiece, right?

No, Pop was being facetious when he talked about the Gasol trade. There was nothing facetious about what he said about Bogans. I'll admit it's been blown overboard because the way it came across and that I know what he meant, as in the importance for the defensive role on the perimeter and how if Bogans is playing competently things can fall into place, but there was nothing facetious about it. It was about the importance of the role and assignment. He just had a player that was nowhere near talented enough to assume the role and he wasn't willing to entrust the role to a young and unproven Hairston. That's really all this was about: a coach set in his ways.

[Texas_Ranger]

Why are some of you so fucking sad about him go?
If the Spurs thought that he was that good they would not let him go.
I don't really care about him, cause he didn't do anything in 2 years. This is like being sad cause we will not re-sign Bogans.

[Blackjack]

This isn't about Hairston anymore, it's about failed logic and those who would like to perpetuate it.

[Blackjack]

My comment about his lateral quickness had nothing to do with a Bogans/Hairston comparison. Neither Bogans nor Hairston showed great ability guarding quick players on the perimeter. Bogans proved to be smarter defensively than Hairston, and that's why Hairston didn't take his minutes.

You do a great job of advocating for Hairston as long as context isn't taken into account.


Bogans is neither laterally quick or an intelligent defender. Hairston didn't take his minutes because Bogans was a vet that Pop thought could be steadily average. He was wrong.

[jag]

You have countless excuses for why he didn't earn rotation minutes, and you can spin and type, but practice and spot minutes are where unproven players prove their worth.

If the Spurs had use for Malik he would still be on the roster.

There isnt some deep emotional meaning behind all this. If it makes you feel better to think I dislike Malik because of your immoderate infatuation, then so be it. In reality, I enjoyed watching him and wish he would have seen more floor time. I would have liked to see him stay with the Spurs and continue developing. Unfortunately Spurs didn't think he showed enough.

[timtonymanu]

well on the bright side, we wont have to here stupid "hariston>rj" takes from tothrowed anymore.

[ChumpDumper]

This isn't about Hairston anymore:lol

[venitian navigator]

One thing is for sure : Spurs are tendencially conservative, and when they take a riosk is just 'cause there's no other choice than that.
They have a great amount of difficulty to trust and give playing time chances to people that doesn't already have a good nba pedigree.
IMHO it's a problem that takes you to too many wrong choices...
When the Spurs have taken a risk with a young and nba unproven player was just because there was no other chance than that...see Parker (we had -at the time - no player worth considering to be a playmaker...) or Manu (only after a very large amount of time Pop decided to play him constantly, and at the time there was no one just comparable with the talent level of Manu).
The Scola trade is another example...they thought that gaining three/four million $ for one year was better than a probably good - but still nba unproven and so risky - asset for the long term in team's future.
The playing time given to Mahinmi end, as last, Hairston, is another example...no way that in a so long regular season you don't see matches to play your unexperienced players at the sole goal of build their confidence.
The too much time given to Finley in years past is another example of this...very good nba pedigree but limited phisical resources (see the comparison about playing tiime with Spurs and Celtics last year).

Going on this way, ther's no chance to develop confidence in your young players...you have to give up some if you want to take something more.

That said, differently ftrom Mahinmi's case, I'm sceptic Hairston had what was nevcessary to have success in the league...but it's a point that he did everything he could to have a fair chance and that- like for Mahinmi (but Mahinmi showed that he could give a good apport to our team) - he didn't have enough time and "green light" to show his contribution

[admiralsnackbar]

I don't get the people who continue building their arguments around the old saw that Pop won't play the yoots, or that the Spurs stopped holding practices to the extent that they couldn't even evaluate the caliber of their team.

If Pop was sitting on this arsenal of sleeping giants like Mahinmi and Hairston and Haislip (not to mention all the James Whites and Linton Johnsons over the years) because he was simply too squeamish to play them despite their extraordinary talents, the argument boils down to the absurdity of a professional basketball coach who would rather his team lose a season they were expected to compete or even dominate in (in the twilight of his franchise player's career, no less).

Why is it easier for you guys to believe this victim fantasy than it is to entertain the fact that X player may not have been that good, and that such an estimation doesn't mean Pop -- or anybody else -- hated him?

[venitian navigator]

[QUOTE=admiralsnackbar;4549318]I don't get the people who continue building their arguments around the old saw that Pop won't play the yoots, or that the Spurs stopped holding practices to the extent that they couldn't even evaluate the caliber of their team.

If Pop was sitting on this arsenal of sleeping giants like Mahinmi and Hairston and Haislip (not to mention all the James Whites and Linton Johnsons over the years) because he was simply too squeamish to play them despite their extraordinary talents, the argument boils down to the absurdity of a professional basketball coach who would rather his team lose a season they were expected to compete or even dominate in (in the twilight of his franchise player's career, no less).






It's not about extraordinary talents, but simply talents...players that can or cannot be regular contributors to nba teams, and that should see a fair chance given to thgem considering the limited amount of money spent over them.

The comparison is between players like Bogans-Mason-Finley (all with playing experience in nba and all struggling in last season) and un unproven (but young and willing to prove himself ) Hairston.
Is between Mahinmi and...the amount of minutes given to a Mc Dyess that plays good only after the all star break and a Bonner that plays good only in R.S..

It's logical that the youg studs will make more errors than the veterans...so they need time.
What it's not logical is to take them around for more than one year (and that's the case for both Hairston and Mahinmi) if you think taht there will be no chance of nba success for them, ansd do so without give them enough time to show what they can do, preferring to them some old vet in any possible match.

The best you can say is that it's a conservative approach by the F.O. and the coach...

[admiralsnackbar]

It's not about extraordinary talents, but simply talents...players that can or cannot be regular contributors to nba teams, and that should see a fair chance given to thgem considering the limited amount of money spent over them.

But wouldn't you grant it possible that you're answering your own question here? We got them for very little money. Normally there's a reason for this. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that we as a fan-base so desperately want another Robinson (see Mahinmi and even Jackie Butler) and Bowen/Ninja (see Hairston, Haislip, Linton JIII, etc) that we're projecting abilities onto them that they don't actually possess? Where are the James Whites and Marcus Williams and James Gists of the world now?

For example: do you think Pop owed it to Sean Marks or Jamaal McCaskill to give them playing time because they played on miniscule contracts? I'm almost sure you don't. But the idea that Hairston or Mahinmi could be a diamond in the rough to address the very real weaknesses in our team is so appealing that it circumvents what we actually know about these players (who, while talented, weren't necessarily talented enough).

As for Fin and Bogans playing minutes while Hairston languished, I can only assume there was a reason. Maybe you're right about Pop's conservatism towards the young, but he's played plenty of rookies while I've been a fan -- when they were good. Some were even boneheads that made mistakes all the time but were still talented (Steven Jackson and his shoe-guided crossover and 1st season Manu before people learned to catch his passes... and we can't leave Tony's first few seasons out).

[dbestpro]

So, now that Hairston is gone ans the dust has settled is there another Spur that you are going to be as passionate about, Blackjack?

[Blackjack]

You have countless excuses for why he didn't earn rotation minutes, and you can spin and type, but practice and spot minutes are where unproven players prove their worth.

Excuses, eh? You can't prove yourself in 2-second stints to fulfill the defensive role the Spurs needed last year. You just can't seem to get a grasp that fact.


If the Spurs had use for Malik he would still be on the roster.

Where are you getting your info? Did the report not say he asked for his release?

Be that as it may, I'm fine with him not being on the roster if the Spurs actually have the means to improve their defense on the perimeter with Anderson and/or Temple. That's what's aggravating about the Hairston situation. Not that he's not on the team but that the Spurs didn't exhaust all their options last year to improve their D. I'm not a fan of their increased reliance on offense to overcome their lack of defense or their choosing to adapt to offensive rules in a way that leads them away from what made them who they are (were): a defensive team.



There isnt some deep emotional meaning behind all this. If it makes you feel better to think I dislike Malik because of your immoderate infatuation, then so be it. In reality, I enjoyed watching him and wish he would have seen more floor time. I would have liked to see him stay with the Spurs and continue developing. Unfortunately Spurs didn't think he showed enough.

If it wasn't about people like myself you wouldn't take the time to discuss something you deem inconsequential or irrelevant. And what was reported, the Spurs cut him or he asked for his release?


:lol

I see your :lol and raise you a :elephant



So, now that Hairston is gone ans the dust has settled is there another Spur that you are going to be as passionate about, Blackjack?


Whomever the next player is the coaching staff fails to find out what they do or don't have because of the likes of a Keith Bogans.

[lefty]

lol Italy :lmao
lol Italy

[ElNono]

My comment about his lateral quickness had nothing to do with a Bogans/Hairston comparison. Neither Bogans nor Hairston showed great ability guarding quick players on the perimeter. Bogans proved to be smarter defensively than Hairston, and that's why Hairston didn't take his minutes.

Who had lateral quickness in our team last season? Heck, even in the current roster? I'm not restricting the comparison to Bogans.

Our starting SF has lost any lateral mobility since his knee injuries.
Hill would be a good prospect, but his footwork need a ton of work.
Tony probably is the only guy I can think of when he's not hobbled like last season.

Malik didn't see many minutes last season, but one of the few stretches that stand out was the comeback win against the Rockets, when Kevin Martin was torching everybody that Pop put on him, including the centerpiece. It got so bad that eventually Pop had to resort to putting Malik on him, and he completely locked the guy down. I watched every single game last season, and that was the only game I remember the Spurs actually had a guy playing lockdown defense on a guy that was hot and was actually being successful.

Truth is his defense, lateral quickness, etc was never a problem on the guy. He was just too offensively impaired for a coach that has fallen in love with shooters.


You do a great job of advocating for Hairston as long as context isn't taken into account.

TBH, I'm not in the same train as Blackjack. I like Hairston, I liked his defense, and what not, but I'm not mad he's gone. He received a better offer somewhere else, and I just wish good luck to him, and move on. I'm not advocating for him. I just don't think it's fair to dog on him now that he's gone. Something that happens very often around here.

[jag]

I'm not dogging him i'm being objective. I'm talking about him now the same way i did while he was with the team.

Hairston really worked on his spot up shooting and that showed when he had his last stint in Austin. I don't think he lost out on minutes due to his offense, i think it was actually due to his defense. Bogans was an offensive black hole but continued to get minutes because he understood the rotations and knew where to be defensively off the ball.

For all the times Malik looked good on the ball, there were just as many times he looked bad off the ball. I remember seeing how well he played Lebron on the ball...he bodied up and challenged his shots. Then he'd come right back down the floor on the Cavs next possession and look lost off the ball. A guy who's been in the system for over a year should have positioning and rotations down. That's something you perfect in practice not in games.

I can't stand bogans, but i can put that aside and see where Pop was coming from.

[Blackjack]

_Jag, you're just wrong, but I forgive you. :D

ElNono, I continue to believe you're one of the most intelligent posters here.

Blackjack, you're clearly suffering from interweb burnout and need to step away from the keyboard. Like now. Soonly(?) or something.


Our fearless leader is on to greener pastures. Much greener. :smokin


Go Sienna Go!!! :elephant

[Bruno]

F5B4cY96PgY

Goodbye my lover.
Goodbye my friend.
You have been the one.
You have been the one for me.

I am a dreamer but when I wake,
You can't break my spirit - it's my dreams you take.
And as you move on, remember me,
Remember us and all we used to be

[DesignatedT]

Lol that highlight video kept showing the same plays over and over from different views.

[DPG21920]

It's better than the Gary Neal barely jumping over a credit card lowlights tbh.

[ElNono]

I'm not dogging him i'm being objective. I'm talking about him now the same way i did while he was with the team.

Hairston really worked on his spot up shooting and that showed when he had his last stint in Austin. I don't think he lost out on minutes due to his offense, i think it was actually due to his defense. Bogans was an offensive black hole but continued to get minutes because he understood the rotations and knew where to be defensively off the ball.

For all the times Malik looked good on the ball, there were just as many times he looked bad off the ball. I remember seeing how well he played Lebron on the ball...he bodied up and challenged his shots. Then he'd come right back down the floor on the Cavs next possession and look lost off the ball. A guy who's been in the system for over a year should have positioning and rotations down. That's something you perfect in practice not in games.

I can't stand bogans, but i can put that aside and see where Pop was coming from.

To me, the the guy that missed the most defensive rotations was far and away Richard Jefferson. He could be excused, because it was his first season in the team. But on the other hand, he played the most minutes of any Spurs throughout the 82 game regular season.

So I guess when Pop wants to, he can overlook some of that stuff (I would dare saying a whole lot in other cases such as Bonner or RMJ).
I agree with Blackjack that Malik's reduced minutes have a lot more to do with Pop's veteran pecking order than anything else.
Same thing that prevented Hill from getting any decent run in the playoffs in his first season, when Mason and Finley were horrible out there.

We're just not going to agree on this and that's fine. :toast

[DPG21920]

Missed rotations either result in low amounts of playing time or 40M dollar extensions.

[DesignatedT]

It's better than the Gary Neal barely jumping over a credit card lowlights tbh.

gary neal and malik hairston are the least of my concerns tbh.

[DesignatedT]

Missed rotations either result in low amounts of playing time or 40M dollar extensions.

Sometimes I wonder why your even a fan of this team.

[benefactor]

Missed rotations either result in low amounts of playing time or 40M dollar extensions.
:tu

[ohmwrecker]

You guys are turning Blackjack's shrine to Hairston into, yet another, Richard Jefferson bitchfest . . . shame on you.

[DPG21920]

Sometimes I wonder why your even a fan of this team.

:lol You are the definition of homer. You come up with crazy logic (He has not proven him self at an NBA level, like Neal has...) and say you truly think this team is a contender.

This front office is great, one of the best. That does not mean they don't make mistakes.

I root for the team, but don't agree with everything they do. RJ just so happens to be the biggest issue right now during the off season, and as you know, I don't agree with the move.

I am usually pretty positive and agree with 90% of the moves the Spurs make. This particular off season has been a little frustrating, which is normal seeing as Tim's last years are upon us.

But pulling the random "fan" card is a little dated. But I know you did not mean it.

[DPG21920]

gary neal and malik hairston are the least of my concerns tbh.

I agree (to a certain extent because I believe Malik is an NBA player, even if that is in a limited role), I was just making observation to the hate.

[DesignatedT]

:lol You are the definition of homer. You come up with crazy logic (He has not proven him self at an NBA level, like Neal has...) and say you truly think this team is a contender.

This front office is great, one of the best. That does not mean they don't make mistakes.

I root for the team, but don't agree with everything they do. RJ just so happens to be the biggest issue right now during the off season, and as you know, I don't agree wit the move.

I am usually pretty positive and agree with 90% of the moves the Spurs make. This particular off season has been a little frustrating, which is normal seeing as Tim's last years are upon us.

But pulling the random "fan" card is a little dated. But I know you did not mean it.

Lol I never said Neal proved himself at an NBA level. He has never even played a game. Maybe I'm a homer but mostly don't feel the need to flip out over a 2nd round pick that will likely not amount to anything tbh. I defend Neal just because the Spurs like him and I tend to trust them more than anyone on a message board and even my own judgment regarding these prospects. If Neal turns out to be terrible and Hairston turns out to be something I will be the first one criticizing the FO for the move made but don't feel the need to do so when both players are still very much unproven.

Of course I know you're a fan even though we see opposite directions on pretty much every issue but how boring would the board be if that wasn't the case :lol

[DPG21920]

True. We really don't agree on any issue except that T-Will looks like a very solid player.

[DesignatedT]

True. We really don't agree on any issue except that T-Will looks like a very solid player.

That I will agree on. Loved him in college and love him now.

[024]

defense at the SF position is going to be a killer. if RJ can't step up, then it's pretty much over. before, hairston had the potential to play nice solid defense at SF, now there's no one. going to see a lot of ginobili at SF which isn't going to be helpful to his health.

[erikuff]

HAIRSTON IS GONE = MOVE ON PEOPLE

But fear not, there will be another swingman player in the near future for the spurs that lacks a polished offensive game, but has "defensive prowess". Until then, cheers to this thread.

THC, RIP

:wakeup

[wildbill2u]

The wonderful thing about Hairston going to Italy is that he may actually get to play some meaningful minutes, assuming he can beat out his teammates. Look at this as a half-full glass for Malik.

And, thanks to the Internet, all you Hairstoniacs can follow that Italian team and your favorite player's achievements. Give us a report now and then.

[silverblackfan]

I don't think we have seen the last of Malik. He knows what to improve and is going to a good European team to work on those skills.

[spursfaninla]

Blackjack needs some perspective. Hairston is nothing to be sad about: now, Salmons is another story!

Hairston will probably come back into the league later, but he was not ready yet.

Further, he is not NEARLY the best young player to leave the Spurs in free agency in the last 20 years:

1) Rod Strickland
2) SJax
3) Salmons
4) Beno
__________
5) Hairston?

All of those players turned into pretty good starters for their team. Hairston MIGHT turn into an ok bench player, but I doubt he turns into a starter. Then again, Salmons surprised.

[Obstructed_View]

Talk about perspective. John Salmons and Beno Udrih didn't leave the Spurs as free agents. They were both traded, and Salmons was never a Spur; he was picked for the Sixers.

It's so funny how many people try to make Hairston more than anyone's ever said he is in the eyes of anyone who defended him, while simultaneously minimizing anything he ever did well. The fact is, he had the potential to be an excellent individual defender at a position where the Spurs are in desperate need of both depth and a defender. Would he have been great at it? I don't know, but I'd have much rather had him here to find out than be facing a season with RJ and six shooting guards to fill out the position.

I wonder about people who are so giddy to see guys like Mahinmi and Hairston leave without being given a chance to contribute. Surely those same folks aren't complaining about having guys like Bogans and Bonner starting, right?

[spursfaninla]

What does Hairston have that Anderson doesn't? Both are 6'6. Hairston is 220, Anderson is 215.

Anderson can shoot better and is more talented.

Hairston could not beat Bogans out of the rotation.

I wish him luck and do not dislike him, but he just wasn't that good.

Get a grip.

[Blackjack]

BREAKING NEWS:


Brethren, it has come to my attention that THC has now entered Twitterdom (http://twitter.com/#!/malikinitaly).

This is, of course, some extremely important news -- and a godsend of a development.


Get Lifted, my friends . . . :smokin

[MaNu4Tres]

BREAKING NEWS:


Brethren, it has come to my attention that THC has now entered Twitterdom (http://twitter.com/#!/malikinitaly).

This is, of course, some extremely important news -- and a godsend of a development.


Get Lifted, my friends . . . :smokin

:elephant

[Cessation]

I thought thc stood for ....nevermind.

[yavozerb]

Well, I am guessing he has some extra time on his hands since he recieved a DNP in his teams 1st game...Here's to getting better and ready for Eurocup Malik :toast

[HarlemHeat37]

It says he STILL hasn't recovered from his injury?..damn, I guess it really was that serious..

[Duncan21kid]

He said he was more healthy than before he got hurt.

[Blackjack]

An update for the brethren:

Malik should be up and rolling in less than a month after his backiotomy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7igFN5e1A1w).

It wasn't the same injury, and he did in fact ask for his release -- it was just too good of an opportunity to pass up.

The Spurs were great throughout the whole thing. :smokin

[Cane]

I'm really glad things turned out the way they did. Been very impressed with James Anderson so far and Malik might've eaten up some of his minutes. Hopefully Malik can make the most of his opportunities overseas, Spurs got a lucky break considering his back issues tbh.

[Blackjack]

We're probably gonna need some depth . . . :smokin

[MaNu4Tres]

We're probably gonna need some depth . . . :smokin

:hungry:

[benefactor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFd5s7t12uE

With Beli going, would be a fine option for depth at the 2/3. At 28, he's dead in the middle of his prime. Ball handling is a little better than I remember and his stroke looks good. I think he's been shooting like 43% from distance this year.

[therealtruth]

Reminds me of the pre-Kawhi/Green days. When we thought Hairston could solve our defensive problems on the wings.