LMAO Express-News

[Das Texan]

oh and btw, i hope this means that mcdonald, monroe and company no longer steal ideas from this forum for their hack articles.

if so then they are such low life pieces of shit.

[ElNono]

I read new corp is doing the same thing. it's the new idea of how to save newspapers.

It's a big fail. You can get the same info from official sources (like spurs.com, Ludden and Woj at yahoo.com) for free. Even more so now with sites like Twitter and Facebook where news spread like wildfire and are also free...
Selling subscriptions on a closed platform like the upcoming iPad is probably all they have left, but even then revenues are simply gonna go down...

[ElNono]

And BTW, ignoring they exist is probably the best course of action...

[Biernutz]

I guess the Spurs Report has some hook up with the Excuse News as they are still posting the newspaper story's word for word. I don't think that the Excuse worries about losing hits to the SR. SR had about 300 viewers but only 15 members at the site. 300 viewing---sure they do.
I only buy a newspaper on Wednesday , Friday and Sunday. A $1 per paper for the other days is a waste of money. The Excuse in the future will probably charge for the online site as this is what a lot of newspapers are trying now.

[SequSpur]

Duh....

can't say I didn't tell you....

Solid D and Duncan228 should be banned permanently.

:toast

[DMX7]

I'll be removing every single Express News/mysa.com article from SpursTalk tonight.

Do not post anymore of their articles.

Thanks.

I was going to post a whole bunch of E-N articles just to be funny, but after the "banning" of BRHornet for one whole day, I reconsidered.

[DMX7]

Go snorkel your gay buddies.

[SouthTexasRancher]

The Express-News is still in business???

Hell, I thought they went out of business the day after the SA Light went kaplunk!

In all seriousness they have laid off about 70% of their employees over the past couple of years. This time next year they will be so far under water that they'll think they are bottom sucking wallywompers! Who needs the E-N anyway. Goobye E-N.......:ihit

[Pistons < Spurs]

I can understand and appreciate the point of view of papers wanting to restrict the complete posting of their articles all over the web. But they have to realize they'll never really be able to fully police it either. It's just part of the reality of the internet.

I'm sure there was a much better way for them handling this though. No need to use lawyers to strong arm the most viewed fan based Spurs site out there. Instead of fostering a positive relationship here, which they could have used to benefit their own viewership, they've gone out and turned off potential customers with their poorly thought out tactics. Brilliant.

One of our local papers (Detnews.com) recently made a very smart move IMO. When you copy and past an article from their site, it automatically imbeds a "from the Detroit News" followed by the link to their story. Now they don't have to worry about posters not supplying a link to their site. They're taking the far smarter approach IMO, accepting the fact that people will borrow their stories and repost them. But at least this way they are getting full attribution.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I can understand and appreciate the point of view of papers wanting to restrict the complete posting of their articles all over the web. But they have to realize they'll never really be able to fully police it either. It's just part of the reality of the internet.

I'm sure there was a much better way for them handling this though. No need to use lawyers to strong arm the most viewed fan based Spurs site out there. Instead of fostering a positive relationship here, which they could have used to benefit their own viewership, they've gone out and turned off potential customers with their poorly thought out tactics. Brilliant.

One of our local papers (Detnews.com) recently made a very smart move IMO. When you copy and past an article from their site, it automatically imbeds a "from the Detroit News" followed by the link to their story. Now they don't have to worry about posters not supplying a link to their site. They're taking the far smarter approach IMO, accepting the fact that people will borrow their stories and repost them. But at least this way they are getting full attribution.

All outside authors get links and attribution here too.

This is just big business fucking with people for no reason.

[mookie2001]

sequ is a damn good poster

promote this man!

[baseline bum]

WTF? Does this mean no more exposing McDonald's and Monroe's 5th grade interpretations of the games? I mean, the only reason I have ever read an Express News article in the last 15 years was because it was linked here, at Spursreport, or WOAI's old Spurs forum. That newspaper isn't even worthy for reading in a shitbreak.

[mookie2001]

roflrofl

united nations time

[tdominate21]

I'm an SA Express News subscriber and will now cancel my subscription. LAME!!!

[Spursfanfromafar]

The Thing that I have with this is that a newspaper (should) only be worried about their content used (posted) elsewhere and the host there is earning money outta it. ST is a free, non-commercial fan-run site and does not derive any income by posting links from EN. That EN is still worried is more to do with its ad revenue and its suspicion that readers will not visit EN if they can get content posted on ST itself. That is a more valid reason. But considering that EN will have new readers - I am a reader who never reads their paper or has no reason to and would only want to read about the Spurs - through ST, they could simply have asked the owners of ST to politely request its users to post links rather than entire articles and not be so intimidating about it. End of matter.

[mookie2001]

Somebody has their own links and Twitter!

Hittin to close to home is it?


Better call mr Cullen

[Obstructed_View]

They asked us to remove them all (in the letter) -- so that's since the forum existed.

The law was only recently clarified to the two sentence rule. It's possible that anything before that doesn't need to be changed.

[dbestpro]

A parody is legit, so we can make fun of them all we want. The more this occurs the more second rank the paper will appear nationally and internationally. (of course in context with the Spurs).

[timvp]

4cc is a major journalism advocate. He has a journalism major. He writes journalisticly. Mere mortals write words. He journalizes.

Journal.

We can't do things like that.

[timvp]

not without linking to the original article properlyTeach me your ways.

[Trainwreck2100]

he is too old

i sense much fear in him, fear leads to hate, hate is the path to the dark side

[mookie2001]

I got a quote out of mcdonald and scarffed 4cc


now Timvps gonna have a total eclipse of the heart

[timvp]

I got a quote out of mcdonald and scarffed 4cc


now Timvps gonna have a total eclipse of the heart

My heart is suffering from a total eclipse. That was a shocking turn of events.

4cc has a twitter? That's it. I'm going to post his articles without a link i saaaaid.

[BillMc]

If we paid money to go to the SA Express-News website (like the posting of ESPN Insider stuff that happens now and again) I could see them being upset. In effect, this is free advertising and only making their sire and writers more famous. At the core of this is that, since we go to Spurstalk, and not their website, their sponsors are not getting any clicks. Which is why they have to do this, to please those that pay to advertise on their site.

[mookie2001]

Yeah he does Twitter with some of his journalisticos, I'm pretty sure they're white and not from south Texas either

Spur me!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Thanks for telling Americans what to do fascist.

...and your fucktardedness reaches new heights. :rolleyes


4cc is a major journalism advocate. He has a journalism major. He writes journalisticly. Mere mortals write words. He journalizes.

Journal.

We can't do things like that.

Yeah, 4cc, the guy who rarely puts more than 3 words in his posts! A really journalist, that guy! :lmao


If we paid money to go to the SA Express-News website (like the posting of ESPN Insider stuff that happens now and again) I could see them being upset. In effect, this is free advertising and only making their sire and writers more famous. At the core of this is that, since we go to Spurstalk, and not their website, their sponsors are not getting any clicks. Which is why they have to do this, to please those that pay to advertise on their site.

Thanks for the explanation - none of us had worked that out! :lol

How much revenue do you think ST cost them this year? How much do they earn per click, and how many clicks have we cost them? I'd wager it's less than $1k, a LOT less. And how much did their law firm charge them for that letter. I'd wager more than 1k, a LOT more. ;)

[Blackjack]

They have to protect their interests. I suppose ST is peanuts in the grand scheme of things, but I understand why E-N's lawyers would search for people to threaten and then bill E-N for their efforts.

This is why Blackjack (or whoever it is) only posts a couple of sentences of 48MoH posts, along with a link.

I, whoever it is, post an excerpt and the link for one simple reason: respect.

Tim and the boys over at 48 are good people that take pride in their work; their fans first and foremost. McDonald comes across as never being more than a fringe fan of the team and/or league and Monroe's only made to look somewhat passable as a sportswriter because of the aforementioned.

I don't have much of a problem with Harvey, he is what he is and his material usually sparks a debate (for better or worse), and he at least has some kind of insight into the organization (that he'll usually release 3 months after the fact or when it's completely irrelevant). But with the Jeff and Mike on board ... Buck's given the benefit of beer goggles.

But as far as their 'request' to have their material taken off the site and to not have it posted in the future (well, anything with more than 2 sentences and a link), whatever . . .

Put the E-N with Finley: out to pasture.

[ploto]

It is a violation of copyright law.

It might not be a bad idea to include in your Forum Rules on ST, something about only posting 2 sentences from any article and providing the link- just to protect yourself.

[austN Spur]

Next time i'm pissing in the sportsbar. i will piss with my head down so i dont read their POS paper

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

So you're telling me I'm never going to read a McDonald/Monroe article again? Shock Horror! The insight, the knowledge awww :(

[Chieflion]

I am sure express news will send timvp another attorney letter soon enough to remove this thread cause it destroys their internet rep.

[leo_d]

Does the lawyer`s letter have copyright?

[Shaolin-Style]

This is where I go to read about the spurs and they should be lucky if an occasional article of theirs makes it to my eyes via this forum.

I'll probably never see another article from them again because I don't visit their crappy website nor purchase any newspapers. If anything I'd click on a link occasionally that went to their website on this forum. Three cheers for mediocrity.

[Mark in Austin]

It's funny. Now that Spursdotcom is posting the raw quote transcripts and interviews, it makes me realize that the E-N Spurs coverage is even more worthless than I previously thought.

Maybe if they had a writer of Ludden's caliber who actually, you know, wrote shit instead of reformatting the daily quotes and box score I wouldn't find this whole thing so laughable.

[Dex]

I am sure express news will send timvp another attorney letter soon enough to remove this thread cause it destroys their internet rep.

Oh well. Freedom of speech, fuckwads.

Maybe they should run these angry letters past their marketing desk next time.

[spursncowboys]

I'd prefer that you guys don't f with them.

Don't fence with them?

[Dex]

Don't fence with them?

Don't french with them.

[ploto]

Terms of Use.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/about_us/terms_conditions

[polandprzem]

Terms of Use.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/about_us/terms_conditions

You can't provide links here

[angel_luv]

Don't french with them.

I thought they wanted us to surrender to them?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You can't provide links here

:lol

[benefactor]

You can't provide links here
lol...well played.

[Budkin]

EN is a joke of a paper anyway... and we can still make fun of their shitty sportswriters.

[kace]

I thought they wanted us to surrender to them?

my god, you're so funny :lol .............. :rolleyes


at least, we could think you would be a little bit more quiet on this thread after this amazingly brilliant and smart post:

Since the Express News does not charge a fee to read their articles online ( at least they do not to my knowledge,) I don't see that it matters so much where their articles are posted so long as their writers are credited for having written them.

Free publicity is a good thing- I thought.

Can someone explain to me how this make senses for the Express News from a business point of view? I am curious.

[Jason R]

It's not free publicity if you never go to to the website. If you haven't been going, which you probably haven't, the EN doesn't lost anything from a proposed 'boycott' or whatever. If you have been going you'll most likely still go. I personally don't but that's because I read articles posted in their entirety on forums. At some point all the news outlets will do something like this because with the paper method going out the door, traffic revenue and advertisement will need to take over as the economic model.

[spursncowboys]

my god, you're so funny :lol .............. :rolleyes


at least, we could think you would be a little bit more quiet on this thread after this amazingly brilliant and smart post:

I thought the surrender line was good.

[spursncowboys]

It's not free publicity if you never go to to the website. If you haven't been going, which you probably haven't, the EN doesn't lost anything from a proposed 'boycott' or whatever. If you have been going you'll most likely still go. I personally don't but that's because I read articles posted in their entirety on forums. At some point all the news outlets will do something like this because with the paper method going out the door, traffic revenue and advertisement will need to take over as the economic model.

there is a higher probability of me reading their product when it's posted rather than when it is linked. I do see the their reasoning for advertisement purposes. If they estimate how much they charge for advertisements, by how many times people click on their website, then we should get paid for providing a link.

[ohmwrecker]

I tried really hard to give a shit about this, but I find it impossible. I just hope it doesn't lead to an onslaught of irrelevant, pointless posts because the people who used to post Express News articles don't have anything better to do.

[Blackjack]

I tried really hard to give a shit about this, but I find it impossible. I just hope it doesn't lead to an onslaught of irrelevant, pointless posts because the people who used to post Express News articles don't have anything better to do.

228, Spurs Brazil and myself are about to make your eyes bleed (or at least, in my case, make them turn extremely, irritably red with the help of some THC :smokin).

[ohmwrecker]

228, Spurs Brazil and myself are about to make your eyes bleed (or at least, in my case, make them turn extremely, irritably red with the help of some THC :smokin).

Puff Puff Pass, Motherfucker.

[PublicOption]

If it weren't for spurstalk I would read that garbage anyway.

losers say what?

[PublicOption]

wouldn't

[smeagol]

4cc, the eternal contrarian . . .

[Blackjack]

Puff Puff Pass, Motherfucker.

What I do in my spare time is more irrelevant than what will ensue now that the E-N has been put out to pasture.

Be that as it may, the Golden Rule is the Golden Rule. :smokin

[spursncowboys]

doing online drugs is probably the lamest thing you could do. People who have cyber sex think it's stupid.

[Blackjack]

doing online drugs is probably the lamest thing you could do. People who have cyber sex think it's stupid.

Awww... online drugs and sex . . .

Only surpassed by the online cigarette to follow.

[angel_luv]

my god, you're so funny :lol .............. :rolleyes


at least, we could think you would be a little bit more quiet on this thread after this amazingly brilliant and smart post:

For what it is worth... I actually am a big fan of France. I am part French or so I am told. ( I am adopted so these things are hard to verify.)

Joan of Arc is one of my all time heroes and the park my husband proposed to me in is one I had affectionately dubbed Paris park. :)

[ohmwrecker]

doing online drugs is probably the lamest thing you could do. People who have cyber sex think it's stupid.

Are you speaking from experience, or do you just get your sex in airport men's rooms? You lobotomized, extremist, tea-partying troglodyte gasbag asshole.

[spursncowboys]

Are you speaking from experience, or do you just get your sex in airport men's rooms? You lobotomized, extremist, tea-partying troglodyte gasbag asshole.

sorry i had to pack my e-bowl. Don't know where all that came from. Alot of names I'm being called. Wow.

[ohmwrecker]

sorry i had to pack my e-bowl. Don't know where all that came from. Alot of names I'm being called. Wow.

I'm just showing off. Phrases like like e-bowl and cyber stoner are kind of lame, don'tcha think? It's just a little joke, bubba.

[spursncowboys]

I'm just showing off. Phrases like like e-bowl and cyber stoner are kind of lame, don'tcha think? It's just a little joke, bubba.

Yeah I was just joking too. No hard feelings. And it's not bubba. it's cletus.

[SequSpur]

I have to get a take in on this.....

It's not just the express news....All of the media in San Antonio run around like wusses...

TV personalities, AM Radio personalities, Newspaper Articles, the good ol folks from Spursreport.....

All of them are so owned by Pop. You know who you are...

Red McCombs said it best when Pop got the 2 job gig... both GM and Coach.... These jobs require 2 different people and Pop shouldn't do both....

Now, 4 rings later, it's hard to second guess Pop...but...he had 2 hall of famers, possibly 3-4 hall of famers during that era...I think alot of coaches could've won 4 rings and maybe more......

the express news gettin pissed has more to do with your daily bashing of their writers and editors...you guys are non stop...I still blame Duncan228 for setting his/her alarm clock at midnight to hurry up and be the first poster to post a mysa.com article...

I quit readin that shit along time ago...their game offers nothing of substance....

I am still waitin on the article that's titled...why you want to leave?

I could give a fuck about a spurs sandwich preference..that's not sports, that's not news... that's bullshit filler material because Pop is a fuckin cunt....

Fuck mysa.com.

[DJB]

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3936/lolexpressnews.jpg

Yes, the reason your stats are plummeting has all to do with SpursTalk and nothing to do with your Spurs coverage progressively going from bad to unreadable :rolleyes

Instead of bitching at you, they should be offering you a job.

timvp > any express news writer

[baseline bum]

Instead of bitching at you, they should be offering you a job.

timvp > any express news writer

Spurstalk will probably outlast the Express News, and the paper could only afford to hire a new writer if they paid him in gum.

[newacc]

Well I'm sure this worked out exactly as EN had hoped. I'll make doubly certain I still don't buy a newspaper despite its array of advantages over the internet.

Anyways, in a merely hypothetical something I heard someone say once, there's something called acquiescence. Acquiescence basically says that if someone is on notice of a right of theirs being infringed upon but doesn't do anything about it, they lose that right. They are said to have consented.

When they do decide to bring a claim, they can enforce that claim, but only for the time going forward.

:violin:violin

[DarrinS]

I think the Express News is being unfairly criticized.

EN does serve a purpose.


http://www.pet-training.info/Dogs/images/Image-PaperTrainingPuppy.jpg

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I thought the articles were always linked and credit was given, but apparently anything over two sentences is going over the "intellectual property" line? That's horseshit since most of those articles take a good 5-6 sentences to get the point across. :ihit

It's not about protecting intellectual property. They just want you to click through to the E-N website to read the article so they get the advertising revenue.

:td

[Chubby_Love]

I know i'm new to this forum, but anyone interested in going to their offices off of Broadway, and taking a shit on their sidewalks? I'd rather use the express-news to clean my windows than read it. :lmao

[Express-News]

No, we know our rights…

[word]

The San Antonio Express-News has been around for an amazingly long period of time, over 150 years. The newspaper touts being ranked the third largest daily newspaper in Texas. The Express-News is ranked number one in Sunday penetration among major daily newspapers in Texas. Despite its obvious success, the newspaper is starting to see more a more drastic decline in circulation. According to reports released Monday by the Audit Bureau of Circulations, the Express-News circulation was down 26.5% daily and 15.1% on Sundays.

http://salocalbiz.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/san-antonio-express-newspaper-sees-decline-in-circulation/

[Express-News]

BW ....... Duncan228 is under investigation.

[dbestpro]

I think the Express News is being unfairly criticized.

EN does serve a purpose.


http://www.pet-training.info/Dogs/images/Image-PaperTrainingPuppy.jpg

Yeah, when I can get a used paper the EN is good for lining the cat box.

[dbestpro]

BW ....... Duncan228 is under investigation.

If this is so then maybe an investigation of EN will be warranted to show how orginal material from this site miraculously appears in EN articles. Then we can follow with a class action lawsuit for all of Spurstalk posters. This can escalate and could provide quite a bit of press for those who are suppose to be in the business of reporting the news not making the news.

[angel_luv]

I think the Express News is being unfairly criticized.

EN does serve a purpose.


http://www.pet-training.info/Dogs/images/Image-PaperTrainingPuppy.jpg

Well done!

[spurster]

It should be the policy here to only quote a paragraph or two from an article with a link to the rest. Otherwise, it is copyright infringement, and it doesn't matter how you think about the quality of the EN or wherever the article comes from.

The two sentence limit is BS, but there is no clear rule for when a quotation is a fair use or not.

BTW, the copyright law is a total mess. If you quote this whole post, have you violated my copyright? Maybe you'll just have to wait until 70 years after I die.

[bus driver]

those bastards dont stop calling me and blocking the number doesnt help because they use different lines but thanks to this i will never buy a paper again.

i say fuck um!

did ST get a lawyer or did ST reply back to the letter stating that they have upset the ST nation and a boycott of the website and paper was in order?

[polandprzem]

I wonder if you can read the newspaper out loud ? :huh

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol

[ploto]

I really do not understand people getting bent out of shape because a company is enforcing its legal rights. It is the same reason why Kori and LJ do not allow people to post links to game feeds.

[Pero]

I really do not understand people getting bent out of shape because a company is enforcing its legal rights. It is the same reason why Kori and LJ do not allow people to post links to game feeds.

It's the way they did it more than anything.

[benefactor]

It's the way they did it more than anything.
This. I believe that LJ mentioned earlier in the thread that a similar issue came up with spurs.com and it was easily righted with an email. The fact that they paid their lawyer send a letter instead of just emailing and asking is the real issue at hand.

It's like the guy who buys a Ferrari to overcompensate for his lack of ability to take home a good looking girl. Sure he has the money to do it, but it doesn't change the fact that they guys that have the looks and game to take home any woman they want are still going to laugh at him.

[howbouthemspurs]

thats hilarious!

[jag]

BW ....... Duncan228 is under investigation.

Are these clowns serious?

[Mel_13]

:lol

Express-News is a troll.

[angel_luv]

Are these clowns serious?

It was a joke, I thought.

[djohn2oo8]

those bastards dont stop calling me and blocking the number doesnt help because they use different lines but thanks to this i will never buy a paper again.

i say fuck um!

did ST get a lawyer or did ST reply back to the letter stating that they have upset the ST nation and a boycott of the website and paper was in order?

Who is that in your sig?

[Express-News]

Who is that in your sig?

You don’t need to post here Houstonian fan. Go to our site and you’ll find much more valuable information….. ST is using our intellectual property,. Basically, all info in this site is our property… we own most of what’s being said here… not as much as the Jazz owns your club…. but you get the point right?

[Blackjack]

The Express-News is ranked number one in Sunday penetration among major daily newspapers in Texas.

So that's what it's good for (I just assumed you were supposed to read it)?

[bus driver]

Who is that in your sig?

i generally dont convers with the enemy but since your team sucks i will cut you a break like i did for the hornets fan........nicole bahls (http://thesuperficial.com/fastsearch)

just type her name in the search and you can find some great pictures :toast

[ploto]

This. I believe that LJ mentioned earlier in the thread that a similar issue came up with spurs.com and it was easily righted with an email. The fact that they paid their lawyer send a letter instead of just emailing and asking is the real issue at hand.

Spurs.com is part of a locally-owned franchise while the Express-News is part of a multi-conglomerate media enterprise. It only makes sense that they would send an official letter through an attorney for any situation such as this. They surely have done it many times to sites that post entire articles from any of their many newspapers, magazines... Of course, they want written, legal notification sent via first class mail.

[GSH]

Don't be surprised at the way they handled it. Some attornies must get paid extra for doing things ass-backwards. What is that bit about limited excerpts being "less than two sentences"? Doesn't that mean one sentence? Couldn't they just say that?

It sounds like they are saying that, if they wanted to, they could prosecute for excerpts shorter than a single sentence. But what if they change their minds in the future, and decide to exercise their full rights? I don't want to get in trouble for excerpting McDonald if I happen to use any of HIS words... like "rebound", or "3-pointer".


The way the letter opened was great, though. "It has come to our attention..."
I like that. The Distress News is always right on top of things, aren't they? I got one of my inside contacts to give me copies of the last three letters they sent out:

1. Dear Mr. Woods. It has recently come to our attention that you have missed several golfing tournaments this season. We would like to send one of our reporters to get an interview, and discuss your reasons for taking a break from the game. For your convenience, she will come any time you want her to.

2. Dear Mr. Cowell. It has recently come to our attention that you have had some success hosting a television talent show. We are considering a series featuring you, Ed Sullivan, and Chuck Barris. Since you obviously will need publicity for your new program, we will notify you when and where we wish to interview you, just as soon as we locate the other two stars.

3. Dear Mr. Gervin. It has recently come to our attention that...


It's obvious why they always win the annual No Shit, Sherlock awards for journalism.

[benefactor]

Spurs.com is part of a locally-owned franchise while the Express-News is part of a multi-conglomerate media enterprise. It only makes sense that they would send an official letter through an attorney for any situation such as this. They surely have done it many times to sites that post entire articles from any of their many newspapers, magazines... Of course, they want written, legal notification sent via first class mail.
Actually, both are part of much larger enterprises. If you look at the web address for Spurs.com, there are three very important letters there...and very few places are more possessive of their material than the NBA is.

Furthermore, the EN did a piece on ST in May of 2008, in which they talked about the community here and interviewed Kori and several members about the makeup of the board. Articles had been getting posted years before that and continued to get posted up to the 5th of this month, when the EN decided to knee jerk and call their lawyer. This was not some random site/magazine that was stealing articles. It was a site that they had collaborated with before in a friendly manner. I can't help but feel like there was more to this than meets the eye.

No one can tell me with a straight face that after all these years and a special piece about ST they had not known about the articles getting posted until now. If they were going to do an article about ST, they had to have wandered around the site a little bit...and it only takes a couple of clicks to find a fully posted EN article. The only thing I can figure is that one or more of the EN writers has been poking around the site and has seen all the negative comments that people here have saying about their articles. After that they got pissed off and decided to bring out the Ferrari so they attempt to show everyone who they were dealing with. And of course, they wind up getting laughed at...again.

[TheSullyMonster]

The fact that they paid their lawyer send a letter instead of just emailing and asking is the real issue at hand.


You really think that A: They don't have a lawyer on retainer or on staff, and B: It isn't a form letter?

[Stringer_Bell]

This was not some random site/magazine that was stealing articles. It was a site that they had collaborated with before in a friendly manner. I can't help but feel like there was more to this than meets the eye.

Yea, it's like they're some kind of transformers that transformed their attitude toward Spurstalk!

We usually shit on their articles and if I recall they lost writers within the last few months that posters liked, so maybe they have staff that take issue with us shitting on their work. Rather than take it as a rough estimate of what actual sports fans think, they'd just rather flex on us to remind us of the table we're eating at. That's cool, vatos. We'll adapt. And by adapt I mean not even give a shit about your little ancient printed paper cuz it's sucked since the Jalepeno guy stopped doing movie reviews.

[jimo2305]

express news acts like all they cover is spurs.. theyve got bigger issues to deal with than spurstalk

[vy65]

This demand letter was written in house. No outside counsel was retained. That, along with the fact that the demand letter is 1 page long, contains no mention of legal authority, and in all likelihood is a form letter than some first year associate spent 20 minutes on hardly conforms with the big bad lawyers rolling out their ferraris or some other drivel.

They're protecting their copyright. It's their rights, and if people really are upset about the level of spurs coverage provided by SAXN, they should shut the fuck up, click the link, and get the papers out of the shitter so they can hire better journalists.

[mookie2001]

you shut up

this thread is on its last leg, getting to be old news

[whottt]

No more Buck Harvey headlines effing up the forum....ever.

Awesome :tu

I seldom read the SN articles(although the Harvey headlines annoy the shit out of me and always have, plus imb he's a closet Spurs hater) so I really couldn't care less about theri no longer being any EN articles on the site...I am actually surprised anyone cares much.

[whottt]

I am trying to get worked up about this but I really just can't. I wonder how much of it has to do with the negative feedback(often deserved but not always) the EN articles routinely get on this site...

Is SR no longer posting their articles in full?

[Bender]

I am trying to get worked up about this but I really just can't. I wonder how much of it has to do with the negative feedback(often deserved but not always) the EN articles routinely get on this site...
this is the same thought that I had. Every EN article on the spurs is posted here, and trashed relentlessly.

And they have the nerve to complain. :rolleyes

[whottt]

this is the same thought that I had. Every EN article on the spurs is posted here, and trashed relentlessly.

And they have the nerve to complain. :rolleyes

Well a lot of their writers legit do suck when it comes to fact checking....although so does every other major media outlet in the sporting world today. And they do rip off topic ideas(although so does everyone else). Other than that...seems to be a bit of an open season on their guys and there probably are some hurt feelings here.

Well whatever it is...I am sincerely glad I never have to see another stupid Buck Harvey headline again.

Like I say...I wish I could care about this but I really don't...outside of the Harvey headlines which clearly are the work of man who has written to many damn headlines.

At least when Blacky Sherrod got burnt/went senile the DMN stopped attempting to pass him off as a legitimate journalist.


This move is definitely going to hurt the EN more than it will ST....no more instant feedback on their articles or free fact correcting before their articles go into print. And no one is operating under the impression they are the only media game in town.

[Nbadan]

We have to live by the same rules in the Political Forum..I'm actually surprised no one has said anything before now...actually the two sentence rule can be 'extended' by strategic copying and pasteing and quoting other parts of the article in separate postings..

[exstatic]

this is the same thought that I had. Every EN article on the spurs is posted here, and trashed relentlessly.

And they have the nerve to complain. :rolleyes

They're trashed relentlessly because they ARE trash. The E-N basketball coverage is strictly amateur hour since Johnny Ludden left. I don't even care about the lack of sources of good info. They do little to no fact checking on anything. I wonder if they even HAVE an editorial staff.

[Bender]

They're trashed relentlessly because they ARE trash. The E-N basketball coverage is strictly amateur hour since Johnny Ludden left.

yep. I wasn't saying that they weren't crappy articles.

[carina_gino20]

This needs to be locked and moved to the Classic threads.

[ploto]

Just so people can see that these kinds of things are not happening just here or just with newspapers.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=996412

For some time, this guy has been posting links to videos of game highlights, but realgm was contacted and told to stop him.

[Big P]

We have to live by the same rules in the Political Forum..I'm actually surprised no one has said anything before now...actually the two sentence rule can be 'extended' by strategic copying and pasteing and quoting other parts of the article in separate postings..

Who wants to take the time to cut & paste a shitty en article in different sections so we can read the whole thing? Kori is right, don't link anything to them...fuck em!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Kori and LJ should send them a letter telling them that all ideas on this site are copywrited and the Excuse for News Spurs writers can't use any of them as a basis for one of their poorly written articles.

[senorglory]

I, whoever it is, post an excerpt and the link for one simple reason: respect.

Tim and the boys over at 48 are good people . . .

all this time, i thought blackjack and 48mins were one in the same.

[FeZZy]

Fuck them.

[nkdlunch]

holy shit just got to read that letter :lmao

Fuck the Express News

[Whisky Dog]

Express News is always a day late with any info anyway, their fluff pieces pretty much all suck, and they're pissed? They should be happy anyone likes their garbage enough to post it anywhere.

[Mark in Austin]

Just noticed how TrueHoop (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/15425/first-cup-monday-104) publishes chunks of E-N content substantially longer than two sentences. I wonder if the E-N has tried the fire breathing routine with ESPN yet?

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Bottom line is they can't touch the owners of this website. This subject was one of the most discussed in my business law class.

There is precedent in the American common law on cases like this where the owners of a site can't be held liable for what the users post. The only exception is content that is not protected by the 1st amendment which can be banned by the force of law.

Any court of law would uphold this precedent in a similar case and would just ask for users to post the link. At the end of the day, this is truly more publicity for the source than not. It's was just an unhappy attempt to get something out of a successful site.

[MateoNeygro]

What a bunch of losers, I say we all boycott their shit.

[slayermin]

Any court of law would uphold this precedent in a similar case and would just ask for users to post the link. At the end of the day, this is truly more publicity for the source than not. It's was just an unhappy attempt to get something out of a successful site.

That shit just ain't right.

[CubanMustGo]

Bottom line is they can't touch the owners of this website. This subject was one of the most discussed in my business law class.

There is precedent in the American common law on cases like this where the owners of a site can't be held liable for what the users post. The only exception is content that is not protected by the 1st amendment which can be banned by the force of law.

Any court of law would uphold this precedent in a similar case and would just ask for users to post the link. At the end of the day, this is truly more publicity for the source than not. It's was just an unhappy attempt to get something out of a successful site.

While the law may be on Kori & LJ's side, the sad fact of the matter is that the EN has a lot deeper pockets and can throw around lawyers the way Mav fan throws around LMAOs. Just the threat of litigation, even if they know they can't win, forces compliance because how many small site owners can afford to hire the kind of legal representation required to fend off a challenge like this?

The E-N wants to be dicks, fine; they're losing more by not having their shit linked here than they would have 'lost' by just shutting their yaps or providing more reasonable guidance.

[Nathan Explosion]

While the law may be on Kori & LJ's side, the sad fact of the matter is that the EN has a lot deeper pockets and can throw around lawyers the way Mav fan throws around LMAOs. Just the threat of litigation, even if they know they can't win, forces compliance because how many small site owners can afford to hire the kind of legal representation required to fend off a challenge like this?

The E-N wants to be dicks, fine; they're losing more by not having their shit linked here than they would have 'lost' by just shutting their yaps or providing more reasonable guidance.

Sad but true, I have bookmarks to EN on my phone and computer, but yet, rarely visit anymore. When I can read sports elsewhere, why bother to read a homer's perspective. If I want to hear a Spurs fan perspective, I'll go in front of a mirror and ask myself or ask another fan.

It's not a knock on EN (like a majority of you all are doing) just another sign of the times.

For news there's all sorts of news websites. For local news, I can hear it on TV and research the rest if I really want to know.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

While the law may be on Kori & LJ's side, the sad fact of the matter is that the EN has a lot deeper pockets and can throw around lawyers the way Mav fan throws around LMAOs. Just the threat of litigation, even if they know they can't win, forces compliance because how many small site owners can afford to hire the kind of legal representation required to fend off a challenge like this?

The E-N wants to be dicks, fine; they're losing more by not having their shit linked here than they would have 'lost' by just shutting their yaps or providing more reasonable guidance.

And despite my comments I also agree with you - best thing users of the forum can do is to use links and probably only post a partial paragraph or just one paragraph of the entire text in order to force readers into the source's website. If we all do that, then any lawsuits would be difficult to enforce despite their deep pockets. If courts would allow this to happen then there would be dozens of lawsuits each and every day piling up in federal courts. Almost everyone cites sources in discussion forums nowadays.

[senorglory]

Anyone notice how mysa.com now contrives to stretch each article to multiple page views? A typical article now reaches three pages, no matter the word count-- even when it requires unnatural breaks and the carry over of a single sentence.

As needy as I am for Spurs related news, this move is so annoying that I'm disinclined to visit the site.

To be fair, mysa.com is entitled to object to the reprint, without compensation, of entire mysa.com articles on this website; but their current formatting is just abusive.

[GrandeDavid]

Anyone notice how mysa.com now contrives to stretch each article to multiple page views? A typical article now reaches three pages, no matter the word count-- even when it requires unnatural breaks and the carry over of a single sentence.

As needy as I am for Spurs related news, this move is so annoying that I'm disinclined to visit the site.

To be fair, mysa.com is entitled to object to the reprint, without compensation, of entire mysa.com articles on this website; but their current formatting is just abusive.

I completely agree. The content is already very weak, but going to this three page format is just ridiculous. Its especially irritating to me down in Brazil when I actually read the content via my iTouch.

[TampaDude]

So, fuck EN...and fuck their mother.

[G-Nob]

Anyone notice how mysa.com now contrives to stretch each article to multiple page views? A typical article now reaches three pages, no matter the word count-- even when it requires unnatural breaks and the carry over of a single sentence.

As needy as I am for Spurs related news, this move is so annoying that I'm disinclined to visit the site.

To be fair, mysa.com is entitled to object to the reprint, without compensation, of entire mysa.com articles on this website; but their current formatting is just abusive.

You think that is for traffic numbers? Multiple pages, multiple ads, double or triple the revenue?

[Drachen]

Anyone notice how mysa.com now contrives to stretch each article to multiple page views? A typical article now reaches three pages, no matter the word count-- even when it requires unnatural breaks and the carry over of a single sentence.

As needy as I am for Spurs related news, this move is so annoying that I'm disinclined to visit the site.

To be fair, mysa.com is entitled to object to the reprint, without compensation, of entire mysa.com articles on this website; but their current formatting is just abusive.

This is really annoying, I have noticed a lot of websites that are doing this. I thought to myself: "won't google catch on to this?"

[carina_gino20]

This is really annoying, I have noticed a lot of websites that are doing this. I thought to myself: "won't google catch on to this?"

Yeah. Really annoying. I can't remember which article it was, but there was one recently where the only content on Page 3 was the name of the author. Wth?

[Drachen]

Yeah. Really annoying. I can't remember which article it was, but there was one recently where the only content on Page 3 was the name of the author. Wth?

LOL!!! I read one like that too, maybe the same one. I didn't know about these problems that EN was giving ST until today. I guess I will have to kill time at another website than mysa

[Riverwalkman]

30% members here can do better than E-N writers, they write for making a living, we read for Spurs, that's the issue. If there was no quotation in their articles, they were producing rabbish.

[jb4g]

This is really annoying, I have noticed a lot of websites that are doing this. I thought to myself: "won't google catch on to this?"


I just read through a few different articles, each one atleast 3 pages, and each one the last page only had 1 or 2 lines. Of course the ads were different on each page. Very lame, and yet another reason to get my news elsewhere.

[Dex]

You think that is for traffic numbers? Multiple pages, multiple ads, double or triple the revenue?

Bingo.

Websites typically make profit by the number of hits they receive and, moreso, how many advertisements those hits are exposed to. When people actually click on the ads, the website makes even more money.

Stretching the articles across three pages is them attempting to boost revenue at the expense of your time and bandwidth.

It's the same reason they want everybody reading their articles on mysa.com, and not on spurstalk.com. Doesn't feed the monkey.

[arodz]

Was that Lars Ulrich who wrote that email? So, is this the same as "File Sharing"? Isn't it bad enough that fucking rag monopolizes the Newspapers here in this city. They can act like this cause they're the only publication. They raise their prices and make their newpapers smaller. It's a fucking joke. Fine, don't post their bullshit articles here. There are PLENTY of other sources to get your Spurs info.