Ethics violation at the White House? No, surely not.

[Yonivore]

The Sestak stonewall (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025819.php)


"...the Obama administration may have broken the law by offering Rep. Joe Sestak a job in order to persuade him not to mount a primary challenge against Sen. Arlen Specter."

[ChumpDumper]

Made up bullshit from one of Yoni's blogs? No, surely not.

[Thompson]

Made up bullshit from one of Yoni's blogs? No, surely not.

Surely not.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/13/gop-lawmaker-white-house-job-offer-sestak-crime/%20/?test=latestnews

[Darrin]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34221.html

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This could be bad. It sounds like Rahm Emmanuel and Jim Messina could be involved. Sestak's on-air saying that this happened and that it was quid pro quo. While Michael Steele and John Boehner must be frothing over this, Darrell Issa is doing his job. There's no way you let someone go on National Television and say this and not investigate, unless it is completely baseless. I am only hearing about this tonight, but this Politco story was written on 3.10.2010. Politically speaking, this is breaking in an election year and I doubt we'll get through this scandal without hearing Tom Blagovich's name and Eric Massa's assertions in reference to a "where there's smoke, there's fire" story.

[DMX7]

lol, nothing will come of this. Non-News. Yawn.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow! Two YouTubes!

This is serious!

[Darrin]

Wow! Two YouTubes!

This is serious!

The story hasn't really hit yet. That's the testimony that he's told the press the White House committed a crime. This isn't serious?

[Wild Cobra]

How can Chicago Mafia style politics be illegal?

[Ignignokt]

This thread has really drawn the lines between the real progressives and the Obamabots.

[Ignignokt]

Made up bullshit from one of Yoni's blogs? No, surely not.

:lmao

At first it looked like Yoni prematured, but you inserted your foot in your mouth.

[ChumpDumper]

Even if it's true, what could happen?

What law was broken?

Be specific.

[Ignignokt]

all ethics aren't necessarily law, who says anybody is going to be in jail.

Anything can happen. You could do something unethical yet legal. mark foley didn't break any laws did he? yet he was asked to step down.

This is politics, you don't have to break the law to lose your job.

[ChumpDumper]

Republicans are calling it a crime.

What's the crime?

[Yonivore]

all ethics aren't necessarily law, who says anybody is going to be in jail.

Anything can happen. You could do something unethical yet legal. mark foley didn't break any laws did he? yet he was asked to step down.

This is politics, you don't have to break the law to lose your job.
I'd say, in this case, it's "necessarily law."


Promise of employment or other benefit for political activity

Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

[Darrin]

Even if it's true, what could happen?

What law was broken?

Be specific.


TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 29 > § 595

§ 595. Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments

Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

This section shall not prohibit or make unlawful any act by any officer or employee of any educational or research institution, establishment, agency, or system which is supported in whole or in part by any state or political subdivision thereof, or by the District of Columbia or by any Territory or Possession of the United States; or by any recognized religious, philanthropic or cultural organization.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000595----000-.html

[boutons_deux]

dickhead spent 8 years sealing off the Exec branch, including papers of past presidencies, under bogus "executive privilege" and to protect "national security".

Nary a peep from extreme partisan/petty anklebiter Yoni.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof,

so basically this means that anyone who is employed with the fedral govt cannot offer anyone anyone a job in the exchnage for a vote. if anyone was stupid enough to do this then they deserve to lose thier job. while against the law, does this require an inquisition?

let me guess..this all obama's fault..:rolleyes

[Yonivore]

so basically this means that anyone who is employed with the fedral govt cannot offer anyone anyone a job in the exchnage for a vote. if anyone was stupid enough to do this then they deserve to lose thier job. while against the law, does this evoke an inquisition?
I'd settle for an investigation...and, a prosecution, if anyone is found to have violated the law.

[boutons_deux]

"I'd settle for an investigation...and, a prosecution, if anyone is found to have violated the law."

Just like you buddy dubya said he would prosecute anybody who outed a covert agent, but of course never did.

[Ignignokt]

wow. Chump got caked with manyonaise in this thread by a Con and a Lib.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey, I asked a question and it got answered. I seriously did not know.

As much as you fantasize about me, you should know that I actually want answers to the questions I ask. You wouldn't know that because you run away and never answer them.

Now we get to the point of whether any accusation can be proved.

Good luck with that.

[Ignignokt]

Hey, I asked a question and it got answered. I seriously did not know.

As much as you fantasize about me, you should know that I actually want answers to the questions I ask. You wouldn't know that because you run away and never answer them.

Now we get to the point of whether any accusation can be proved.

Good luck with that.

Why don't you tell the whole story. Because the real story makes you look like an ass....


Made up bullshit from one of Yoni's blogs? No, surely not.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Like i said, you prematured, and got owned by darrin and Yoni the first time.

So quit whining, shut your whore mouth and do your jowb!

[ChumpDumper]

Ah, more fantasizing by you. Sorry, you're not my type.

Nah, it's a he said-no one said situation. If it goes to trial, you can celebrate. As it is, it's not much of anything.

[DMX7]

I don't usually like to repeat my posts but clearly the message hasn't been accepted and it needs to; therefore I will.

lol, nothing will come of this. Non-News. Yawn.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't usually like to repeat my posts but clearly the message hasn't been accepted and it needs to; therefore I will.

lol, nothing will come of this. Non-News. Yawn.Exactly. I wouldn't even doubt that this or any administration would do something like this -- it's just that the burden of proof would be such that getting a conviction would be nearly impossible.

Furthermore, no one outside the blogosphere would care.

[Darrin]

dickhead spent 8 years sealing off the Exec branch, including papers of past presidencies, under bogus "executive privilege" and to protect "national security".

Nary a peep from extreme partisan/petty anklebiter Yoni.

I think Dick Cheney and George W. Bush should be in prison for mis-using military force, killing Americans and Iraqis by the thousands, and lying before Congress in the lead-up and making the decision to go to war in Iraq. Yes, Yoni isn't the most unbiased person, but a broken clock is right twice a day. Should we stall this investigation because the previous Administration was worse? How about about we debate the merits of this, comment on the merits of it, and not say "it's not so bad, and you were against it when it was your guy!"

[Darrin]

so basically this means that anyone who is employed with the fedral govt cannot offer anyone anyone a job in the exchnage for a vote. if anyone was stupid enough to do this then they deserve to lose thier job. while against the law, does this require an inquisition?

let me guess..this all obama's fault..:rolleyes

Rahm Emmanuel and his deputy were mentioned in that questionaire, not President Obama. Read the Politico article above--it states the scope and goals of the inquiry.

[Darrin]

Hey, I asked a question and it got answered. I seriously did not know.

As much as you fantasize about me, you should know that I actually want answers to the questions I ask. You wouldn't know that because you run away and never answer them.

Now we get to the point of whether any accusation can be proved.

Good luck with that.

They have a member of the President's party going on National Television telling them that it happened, he stated it, he stands by it, and if you listen to him, he pivots to whatever the issue he wants to talk about afterwards, dismissing it as politics as usual. This isn't Eric Massa--this is someone defending this Administration. That's very damning.

[LnGrrrR]

I fully expect to see some person fall on the sword for this f*ck-up of... well, not monumental proportions, but pretty decently sized.

[Darrin]

I fully expect to see some person fall on the sword for this f*ck-up of... well, not monumental proportions, but pretty decently sized.

It's bribery and this is the problem with running a national strategy as the morally-superior party. We screw up and resign. They screw up and stall and deny and parce and obfuscate until the drum-beat dies down. Who cares if they are hated after that? I hate George W. Bush to this day. He still finished out his full two-terms as President.

[101A]

This isn't just about the bribery act itself; IMO.

It could also rumple some Senator's feathers; this is Executive attempting to (illegally) affect a race in the legislative - separation of powers could rile up someone like Byrd, IMO.

[RandomGuy]

I'd settle for an investigation...and, a prosecution, if anyone is found to have violated the law.

Funny, I said that a lot during the 2001-2008 time period. :toast


(but for some reason, I can't seem to remember you saying the same, wonder why that is...)

You're a smart guy, but dang man, you come into a politics forum with a very marked partisan agenda, then wonder why people don't always buy what you are selling.

[Ignignokt]

damn, Chump and DMX7 still have trace DNA in their molars from Obama since his inauguration.

I didn't think anyone would surpass boutons and Nbadan on being such obama defenders. Notice how they have been absent in this thread?

[Blake]

damn, Chump and DMX7 still have trace DNA in their molars from Obama since his inauguration.

I didn't think anyone would surpass boutons and Nbadan on being such obama defenders. Notice how they have been absent in this thread?

this must be more of your KFC chicken bait.

you are good at trolling. :tu

[boutons_deux]

"boutons and Nbadan on being such obama defenders"

I don't defend Magic Negro. He's been extremely disappointing. Try reading, then GFY.

[Ignignokt]

"boutons and Nbadan on being such obama defenders"

I don't defend Magic Negro. He's been extremely disappointing. Try reading, then GFY.

Boutons part corn _part deuce, it's hard to figure out your true position since your post are littered with filth only found on a Kazaa file describing the type of porn it contains.

[Winehole23]

Whereas Iggy pollutes these forums daily with man-on-man porn.

(Pots jeering at kettles)

[Yonivore]

Funny, I said that a lot during the 2001-2008 time period. :toast

(but for some reason, I can't seem to remember you saying the same, wonder why that is...)

You're a smart guy, but dang man, you come into a politics forum with a very marked partisan agenda, then wonder why people don't always buy what you are selling.
Exactly what wasn't investigated, between 2001-2008, by Congress, special prosecutors, District Attorneys...etc?

And, what resulted from those investigations; aside from Scooter Libby getting convicted of perjury over a scandal that wasn't.

[Ignignokt]

Whereas Iggy pollutes these forums daily with man-on-man porn.

(Pots jeering at kettles)

Pots jeering at kettles.. Right like when you try to be the net civility enforcer aka forum cop then this happens..


pound sand, bitch!

[Winehole23]

That was like, two years ago. Still haven't let it go?

[Ignignokt]

That was two years ago. Still haven't let it go?

oh! no! he said butthurt! automatic win!!! pfftt!!!!

[Winehole23]

@iggy: cross-search 'sandcastle' with my username, follow the instructions you find there, inserting the words 'White House' wherever you find 'minaret' or 'ivory tower.'

Enjoy!