View Full Version : What say thou now, Bogans haters???
nkdlunch
03-16-2010, 09:10 PM
what???
Keith Bogans was a beast especially in the 1st half. Reducing Wade to a shell and making 10 straight points.
Oh, I see. All Bogans haters went back to under their rocks.
nkdlunch
03-16-2010, 09:11 PM
the Bogans train was in tonight. The payload was: PAIN!
DesignatedT
03-16-2010, 09:12 PM
hes a bulldog!!
nkdlunch
03-16-2010, 09:12 PM
"centerpiece" bitches. Learn it
ace3g
03-16-2010, 09:13 PM
he played well but it screwed up the rest of the rotations for Pop, he felt like he had to have Bogans out there even more. Hairston didn't get in at the beginning of the 2nd quarter like he had the previous 2 games. Also Pop played Mason before Hairston which was a big mistake.
DPG21920
03-16-2010, 09:13 PM
Wow.
Muser
03-16-2010, 09:13 PM
If he does that every game then i'm cool with him in the rotation, problem is he won't.
urunobili
03-16-2010, 09:13 PM
the centerpiece.... still fails... he'll need to end the season every fucking game like this to earn my respect... :wakeup
ElNono
03-16-2010, 09:14 PM
I'll take every good game he gives us, simply because Pop will play him no matter what. I need a bigger sample size to get back in his bandwagon though...
Buddy Holly
03-16-2010, 09:15 PM
He's too inconsistent. For every one "start a thread because he kicked ass tonight" Bogan gets seven "start a thread because he sucked ass tonight" as well.
HarlemHeat37
03-16-2010, 09:15 PM
-Bogans had a solid first half, as did most of the Spurs..
-Wade was being covered by multiple defenders, Bogans wasn't the primary defender against him..
-If "Bogans haters" made a thread about every bad game Bogans has had, there would be a server crash..
He had an acceptable performance though..like I said last time he had a good game, I can live with him if he has good games on a consistent basis, unfortunately, he doesn't..
nkdlunch
03-16-2010, 09:16 PM
http://www.floralfantasyandgifts.net/images/Simple%20candle%20centerpiece%20with%20Rose%20bloo m%20and%20petals.jpg
DesignatedT
03-16-2010, 09:23 PM
-Bogans had a solid first half, as did most of the Spurs..
-Wade was being covered by multiple defenders, Bogans wasn't the primary defender against him..
-If "Bogans haters" made a thread about every bad game Bogans has had, there would be a server crash..
He had an acceptable performance though..like I said last time he had a good game, I can live with him if he has good games on a consistent basis, unfortunately, he doesn't..
i dont think any of the options we have can have good games on a consistent basis... hairston/mason/bogans....
there is no question bogans is the better option out of those 3 right now... next year i hope hairston can get a full season in and take that role.
it's me
03-16-2010, 09:33 PM
What say thou now, Bogans haters???
he's the Centerpiece...................... lol
raspsa
03-16-2010, 09:48 PM
the centerpiece.... still fails... he'll need to end the season every fucking game like this to earn my respect... :wakeup
There's only one person Bogans has to please..
Patrick Davis
03-16-2010, 10:11 PM
One game does not a good player make.
DesignatedT
03-16-2010, 10:21 PM
One game does not a good player make.
huh
Dr. Gonzo
03-16-2010, 10:23 PM
One game does not a good player make.
Unless the player is Ian Mahinmi.
Sean Cagney
03-16-2010, 10:28 PM
Dude is one game! Relax some. Nobody went under their rocks after one game, they never were under them to begin with.... They know what he is and bashed him Pop for starting him, which is still a joke IMO. He can play good at times an in spot mins, but starting?
BTW if he is our centerpiece then I am logging off here for good and watching another sport :lol:lol
spursbird
03-16-2010, 10:30 PM
Hairston>Bogans.
MannyIsGod
03-16-2010, 11:32 PM
Ever heard the saying a broken clock is right twice a day? That shit applies perfectly to Keith Bogans.
BWS-1994
03-16-2010, 11:39 PM
Reaching his "peak" and getting comfortable just right before the play-offs? I hope so.
bobby4germany
03-16-2010, 11:47 PM
what???
Keith Bogans was a beast especially in the 1st half. Reducing Wade to a shell and making 10 straight points.
Oh, I see. All Bogans haters went back to under their rocks.
If I throw a stick will you leave?? :sleep
J_Paco
03-16-2010, 11:50 PM
Wade maybe more athletic, quicker and faster than Bogans, but their of similar size. I'm not totally surprised that he guarded Wade well, though I'm sure George and Manu defended him too, but it's when he has to guard Kobe, LeBron, Carmelo, Durant and Dirk that I'm worried about. He just doesn't have the physical or athletic tools to guard those players at all.
Oh, and save for a couple of three-pointers and lay-ups his offense game is completely atrocious.
jjktkk
03-17-2010, 02:20 AM
he played well but it screwed up the rest of the rotations for Pop, he felt like he had to have Bogans out there even more. Hairston didn't get in at the beginning of the 2nd quarter like he had the previous 2 games. Also Pop played Mason before Hairston which was a big mistake.
I agree with you that Hairston is a better option than Mason. IMO Pop is trying to pump Mason up and with the hope that Mason can rediscover his jumper.
nkdlunch propelling himself above the usual crowd of Popsuckers
jjktkk
03-17-2010, 02:27 AM
i dont think any of the options we have can have good games on a consistent basis... hairston/mason/bogans....
there is no question bogans is the better option out of those 3 right now... next year i hope hairston can get a full season in and take that role.
I agree with you somewhat, I actually think Hairston is a better option than Bogans now, but Pop is notorious for playing veterans over younger players. Pop will continue to start Bogans reguardless, but hopefully he won't hesitate to put in Hairston when Bogans is not producing. I definitely can see Hairston becoming a fixture in the rotation next year, rather Bogans is on the team or not.
SenorSpur
03-17-2010, 05:10 AM
Hell, Pop is notorious for playing veterans over younger players - regardless of results. That's part of his apparent "young player" prejudice. It can present problems when the younger player is clearly the better player. We saw it last year with Pop's electing to play Jacque Vaughn over Hill during the 2nd half of the season and into the playoffs. The biggest reason Hairston is seeing the light of day now is because Finley is gone. He should be playing ahead of Mason anyway.
I never really had as much of a problem with Bogans, as I did watching RJ's passive play, seeing Mason regress then complain about playing time, and watching Finley "stink up" the joint with this spot appearances this season. The second best thing to happen to the Spurs this year was letting Finley walk.
Bogans has had his share of bad games, but the effort has been there - even when the production hasn't. The production against the Heat, on both ends of the court, is what I expected out of him, as a role player. Hope he keeps it up, going forward.
We all know Pop loves Bogans for his role acceptance. I fully expect him to be on the squad next year. Meanwhile, Hairston should be a regular contributor, as a rotation player, by then.
in2deep
03-17-2010, 09:59 AM
Bogans was dishing elbows left and right. Can't deny he brought toughness needed last night.
Obstructed_View
03-17-2010, 11:39 AM
what???
Keith Bogans was a beast especially in the 1st half. Reducing Wade to a shell and making 10 straight points.
Oh, I see. All Bogans haters went back to under their rocks.
Bogans played great. Only took him 60 games. Hope he keeps it up, particularly since it's obvious Pop isn't going to stop playing him in favor of the guy who has outplayed him since camp.
Obstructed_View
03-17-2010, 11:40 AM
Unless the player is Ian Mahinmi.
Ian Mahinmi has fewer scoreless performances than Bogans does.
Walton Buys Off Me
03-17-2010, 11:41 AM
Bogans was G last night and has been impressing me of late- I'll admit it.
Question is- can he reliably hit the corner three come playoff time?
Bogans played great that game. Even in his shoddy nights he at least puts forth the defensive effort and hustle that you expect from a Spurs player. Not only does he have the defensive mentality and a 3 point shot; he can also cut to the basket.
Mason Jr. deserves a lot more internet hate. Wtf happened to that guy.
dbestpro
03-17-2010, 11:43 AM
Bogans as a starter most of the time blows. the question is why do so many of the Spur players have to come off the bench to be successful? I believe it has to do with a lack of confidence and prime time mentality. Most of the guys play well when they are not expected to play well. The basically have trouble with the pressure, which does not bode well for the playoffs.
Obstructed_View
03-17-2010, 11:47 AM
Bogans was G last night and has been impressing me of late- I'll admit it.
Question is- can he reliably hit the corner three come playoff time?
Bogans can be a good contributor when he plays well and everyone else plays well. That said, he's still failed to score in five of his last ten games.
easy7
03-17-2010, 12:43 PM
The centerpiece is the rearend piece in most games. :hat
DesignatedT
03-17-2010, 01:27 PM
Bogans is still a better option than RMJ. no question about it. Whether or not we find out Hairston will be a future piece in the spurs offense just isn't going to happen this year. Should we have played him earlier this season? Yes we should have, but fact is that we didn't so that leaves us with Bogans... who is the best choice right now. people need to drop the hate.
yavozerb
03-17-2010, 01:30 PM
Bogans can be a good contributor when he plays well and everyone else plays well. That said, he's still failed to score in five of his last ten games.
What is the spurs record in the last ten games? Not everyone has to score to be effective, thought most spurs fans would relize this.
bus driver
03-17-2010, 01:38 PM
what???
Keith Bogans was a beast especially in the 1st half. Reducing Wade to a shell and making 10 straight points.
Oh, I see. All Bogans haters went back to under their rocks.
dont suck his dick just yet........when they are in the playoffs and he does this than you can but he needs to be more consistent just like Muser said
If he does that every game then i'm cool with him in the rotation, problem is he won't.
although i am not a KB hater but he hasnt reached #12 status just yet
Obstructed_View
03-17-2010, 03:40 PM
What is the spurs record in the last ten games? Not everyone has to score to be effective, thought most spurs fans would relize this.
I hate to break it to you, but if Keith Bogans were actually like Bruce Bowen in that he didn't have to score to contribute, then people wouldn't be starting threads about him when he scores 8 points on 7 shots in a victory. If you doubt me, then check the Spurs' record most of this season when Bogans has been getting heavy minutes.
I'm perfectly open to the possibility that the combination of losing his starting gig and Hairston getting more of his minutes has jolted Bogans into playing better, even so far as to humor your suggestion above that he's more than minimally responsible for the Spurs' record over the last ten games. I'm even hopeful that he keeps it up, despite every indicator this season saying that he won't.
Bogans is certainly much more useful to the team now that Pop can put in Hairston when Keith is having a bad night.
spurs50_
03-17-2010, 03:55 PM
Every now and than the sun shines on a dogs ass......I'd still play Hairston over Bogans.
barbacoataco
03-17-2010, 04:09 PM
Like it or not Bogans is the ONLY guy who can play the role of defensive specialist. Hairston may be better, but he is a ROOKIE no-name and will never get respect from the refs to be effective against a superstar. Bogans has been "sold" to media and fans as Bowen's replacemnet, so he will get a little cred. Too bad the NBA is that way, but it is.
NFGIII
03-17-2010, 04:30 PM
I'll take every good game he gives us, simply because Pop will play him no matter what. I need a bigger sample size to get back in his bandwagon though...
Ditto. Too many bagels from him to suit my needs. He is just too inconsistent to stablize the rotation.
Like it or not Bogans is the ONLY guy who can play the role of defensive specialist. Hairston may be better, but he is a ROOKIE no-name and will never get respect from the refs to be effective against a superstar. Bogans has been "sold" to media and fans as Bowen's replacemnet, so he will get a little cred. Too bad the NBA is that way, but it is.
But that is because early in the season Finley was here taking Malik's minutes from him, which led to him being sent to the Toros. If he had gotten the PT I think he had earned this preseason then maybe he would be getting that respect you stated. And this has been a trend with Pop for years now - playing vets over rookies/younger players and suffering the conseqeunces. The Spurs had an opportunity to develop Malik but didn't until now. And as I think you correctly stated it is probably too late for him to be taken seriously by the refs come PO time.
DesignatedT
03-17-2010, 04:35 PM
But that is because early in the season Finley was here taking Malik's minutes from him, which led to him being sent to the Toros. If he had gotten the PT I think he had earned this preseason then maybe he would be getting that respect you stated. And this has been a trend with Pop for years now - playing vets over rookies/younger players and suffering the conseqeunces. The Spurs had an opportunity to develop Malik but didn't until now. And as I think you correctly stated it is probably too late for him to be taken seriously by the refs come PO time.
Thats a whole different argument in itself. nobody is disputing the fact that hairston should have been playing minutes all year... fact is he didnt. Bogans is our best choice right now and the way hes been playing should be good enough for us to win games.
How people continue to hate on bogans and leave mason alone is beyond me.
How people continue to hate on bogans and leave mason alone is beyond me.
Yea he'd be lucky to still be in the NBA next season imo.
DesignatedT
03-17-2010, 04:43 PM
Yoda
:rolleyes
objective
03-17-2010, 04:43 PM
Bogans is where he belongs, on the bench, just like Bonner.
Pop's post A/S break declaration of Bonner-Bogans starting was a recipe for failure, and thank God the breaks have come that made him at least give up the Bonner part after 2 games, and it's fortunate that Parker's injury has forced him to re-insert Jefferson into the starting line-up.
yavozerb
03-17-2010, 05:24 PM
I hate to break it to you, but if Keith Bogans were actually like Bruce Bowen in that he didn't have to score to contribute, then people wouldn't be starting threads about him when he scores 8 points on 7 shots in a victory. If you doubt me, then check the Spurs' record most of this season when Bogans has been getting heavy minutes.
I'm perfectly open to the possibility that the combination of losing his starting gig and Hairston getting more of his minutes has jolted Bogans into playing better, even so far as to humor your suggestion above that he's more than minimally responsible for the Spurs' record over the last ten games. I'm even hopeful that he keeps it up, despite every indicator this season saying that he won't.
Bogans is certainly much more useful to the team now that Pop can put in Hairston when Keith is having a bad night.
So you really think the spurs lose more often simply if bogans gets more minutes? since you like stat lines, please check what manu,TD, or even TP (when he was playing) played like during those losses and thats probably the reason for the loss, not bogans. Not really sure where you got bruce bowen's name since it was never mentioned..
DesignatedT
03-17-2010, 05:33 PM
So you really think the spurs lose more often simply if bogans gets more minutes? since you like stat lines, please check what manu,TD, or even TP (when he was playing) played like during those losses and thats probably the reason for the loss, not bogans. Not really sure where you got bruce bowen's name since it was never mentioned..
exactly. With Tony Manu RJ Duncan on this team guys like Bogans,Mcdyess are not the guys who need to go out and dominate on the offensive end. Bogans is not going to lose us or win us the championship.. all the hate he recieves is unwarranted.
He plays hard, he plays defense, he hustles and he can hit the open 3. thats all thats expected out of him.
instead of pointing the finger at bogans who is 0/3 from the field with 0 points maybe we should look at our big 3 or "4" did in that game.. and thats the real reason we lose games...
Obstructed_View
03-17-2010, 05:41 PM
So you really think the spurs lose more often simply if bogans gets more minutes?
I'm nearly positive that I never said that. I've said on more than one occasion that Bogans sucks. I'm waiting for a stat to prove otherwise though.
since you like stat lines, please check what manu,TD, or even TP (when he was playing) played like during those losses and thats probably the reason for the loss, not bogans.
Conversely, the play of those guys is probably the reason they've been winning lately, too. Which brings us back to my original statement that Bogans has failed to score in 5 of the last 10, which is evidence that he still tends toward sucking even though he is playing far better of late.
Not really sure where you got bruce bowen's name since it was never mentioned..
Oh, I'm terribly sorry. Please do let all of us know who you were referring to when you said:
Not everyone has to score to be effective, thought most spurs fans would relize this.
Since it would take a Spurs fan to relize it, you must be referring to a Spur. They would also have to be effective, unlike Bogans, and fail to score, like Bogans. So if you weren't trying to imply that Bogans is the new Bowen then I guess you've got me stumped.
G-Dawgg
03-17-2010, 05:45 PM
I don't really know what to think of Bogans yet, but I can say that he has been playing alot more confidently lately and making alot of better decisions on offense -his cross-court pass to Hill for the open 3 was something I wasn't expecting from him! ..Whether or not his defense really is a difference maker in the outcome of games, I can honestly say that he does put in alot of effort on the defensive end...
-Props to him for playing alot better lately.
jjktkk
03-17-2010, 09:53 PM
Bogans was doomed to fail the moment he signed with Spurs and Pop put him into Bowen's starting role as his "centerpiece/defensive stopper". I can count the number of sf/sg's in the league right now who possess the skill set of Bowen. So knowing this, I knew it would be near to impossible to find a adequate replacement for Bowen. Some fans wanted Hairston for that role, but even though Hairston outplayed Bogans in the preseason, Pop, not suprisingly, chose Bogan's expierence over Hairston inexpierence. And this will continue till the season is over. Hopefully Hairston continues get more playing time this year, including the playoffs and by next year be ready to compete for a starting job. This sf position still needs to be upgraded next year, reguardless of Hairston and if Bogans resigns with the Spurs.
yavozerb
03-17-2010, 09:56 PM
Didn't watch the game, but i'm sure it was bogans fault we lost...:rolleyes
Bogans sucks. He's not half the defender Bowen was last season, he can't shoot the corner 3 half as consistently as Bowen did, Bogans over Bowen is a priceless Pop failure. The Centerpiece.
yavozerb
03-17-2010, 10:11 PM
Bogans sucks. He's not half the defender Bowen was last season, he can't shoot the corner 3 half as consistently as Bowen did, Bogans over Bowen is a priceless Pop failure. The Centerpiece.
Time to get over Bowen right about now...seriously, let him go, its ok..
ElNono
03-17-2010, 10:27 PM
The problem is also how he's used. Take tonight: Manu sits down and Bogans comes in.
The drop of offensive talent right there is overkill, and he just isn't a good enough defender to offset it on the other end. What's even worse is that behind him you have Mason who has been worthless, and then Malik, who sucks at practices.
So we're really screwed.
Time to get over Bowen right about now...seriously, let him go, its ok..
It's not ok. :bang
jjktkk
03-17-2010, 10:47 PM
It's not ok. :bang
So z0sa, what did you want Pop to do about replacing Bowen? As its plain to see, replacing Bowen isn't so easy to do. Prior to the season I thought Bogan was a decent candidate to replace Bowen, along with the continued development of Hairston. Bogans is no Bowen, but I ask you who the Spurs could of realistically signed this year to replace Bowen?
Chomag
03-17-2010, 11:00 PM
So z0sa, what did you want Pop to do about replacing Bowen? As its plain to see, replacing Bowen isn't so easy to do. Prior to the season I thought Bogan was a decent candidate to replace Bowen, along with the continued development of Hairston. Bogans is no Bowen, but I ask you who the Spurs could of realistically signed this year to replace Bowen?
Thats been kind of the problem, this team keeps trying to replace those special players. The Horry's amd Bowen's, how many teams have those players? Does Boston still try to replace Larry Bird. Is Chicago still trying to replace MJ. Is LA still trying to find a Magic Johnson?
So z0sa, what did you want Pop to do about replacing Bowen? As its plain to see, replacing Bowen isn't so easy to do. Prior to the season I thought Bogan was a decent candidate to replace Bowen, along with the continued development of Hairston. Bogans is no Bowen, but I ask you who the Spurs could of realistically signed this year to replace Bowen?
I think Bowen in game conditioning would still be > Bogans. It's not sour grapes, it's just realizing a mistake since hindsight is 20/20. Bowen wasn't anything incredible anymore, but he could have done Bogans' job a lot better. So Bowen.
Just a rant, we got blown out by a contender and Bogans plays badly. he's just a scrub and Pop is calling him the Centerpiece I mean, sweet Jesus.. I understand it's a mind game to get the best effort out of Bogans, but Bogans isn't worthy of that kind of praise.. he's just not talented. The scarier half of that is Pop apparently thinks he's consistent enough to be a "centerpiece".. he's anything but consistent.
Hairston could have been the "centerpiece" better than this guy with some more time early on.
jjktkk
03-18-2010, 12:09 AM
Thats been kind of the problem, this team keeps trying to replace those special players. The Horry's amd Bowen's, how many teams have those players? Does Boston still try to replace Larry Bird. Is Chicago still trying to replace MJ. Is LA still trying to find a Magic Johnson?
Exactly. Thats why dynasties in all sports end. You can't keep losing good to great players and realisticlly expect to keep winning at a high level. I had hoped that some combination of Bogans, Jefferson, Ginoboli, and even Hairston, could help offset the lost of Bowen. As we've seen this year, the Spurs desperately miss Bowen.
Blackjack
03-18-2010, 12:13 AM
The problem is also how he's used. Take tonight: Manu sits down and Bogans comes in.
The drop of offensive talent right there is overkill, and he just isn't a good enough defender to offset it on the other end. What's even worse is that behind him you have Mason who has been worthless, and then Malik, who sucks at practices.
So we're really screwed.
:rollin
:tu
FeZZy
03-18-2010, 01:05 AM
dude where was your boy tonight you can talk shit about the haters if he's not gonna be consistent ...come on now
ace3g
03-18-2010, 01:55 AM
yeah I agree, I was so pissed on that first substitution: Bogans for Manu.
Obstructed_View
03-18-2010, 07:23 AM
So z0sa, what did you want Pop to do about replacing Bowen? As its plain to see, replacing Bowen isn't so easy to do. Prior to the season I thought Bogan was a decent candidate to replace Bowen, along with the continued development of Hairston. Bogans is no Bowen, but I ask you who the Spurs could of realistically signed this year to replace Bowen?
The only way you replace a special player: With another special player or by committee. Developing multiple young players with long arms and quick feet who can each defend a couple of positions could make up for the loss in Bowen's versatility. Hill, Hairston and Blair can cover the range of players that Bowen could, and each is able to contribute on offense in a way Bowen rarely could.
Agloco
03-18-2010, 08:06 AM
what???
Keith Bogans was a beast especially in the 1st half. Reducing Wade to a shell and making 10 straight points.
Oh, I see. All Bogans haters went back to under their rocks.
the Bogans train was in tonight. The payload was: PAIN!
:lmao @ Bogans Love every 8th game or so.
Agloco
03-18-2010, 08:09 AM
Exactly. Thats why dynasties in all sports end. You can't keep losing good to great players and realisticlly expect to keep winning at a high level. I had hoped that some combination of Bogans, Jefferson, Ginoboli, and even Hairston, could help offset the lost of Bowen. As we've seen this year, the Spurs desperately miss Bowen.
Or more accurately stated, the Bowen who played circa 2003-2007.
santymrc
03-18-2010, 01:48 PM
I say, said, and will say, BOGANS SUCKS. Period.
jjktkk
03-18-2010, 02:03 PM
The only way you replace a special player: With another special player or by committee. Developing multiple young players with long arms and quick feet who can each defend a couple of positions could make up for the loss in Bowen's versatility. Hill, Hairston and Blair can cover the range of players that Bowen could, and each is able to contribute on offense in a way Bowen rarely could.
Yes, the Spurs do need to find a sf prospect or 2 to develop. One veteran guy who will be available next year is Matt Barnes. I believe he is a UFA after this year, and is a Bruce Bowen clone. Barnes possesses alot of the same qualities that Bowen had when he was playing. Don't know how much $$$$ Barnes is looking for, but if the Spurs could sign him and add a sf thru the draft this summer, I would be estatic.
santymrc
03-18-2010, 02:06 PM
Yes, the Spurs do need to find a sf prospect or 2 to develop. One veteran guy who will be available next year is Matt Barnes. I believe he is a UFA after this year, and is a Bruce Bowen clone. Barnes possesses alot of the same qualities that Bowen had when he was playing. Don't know how much $$$$ Barnes is looking for, but if the Spurs could sign him and add a sf thru the draft this summer, I would be estatic.
Barnes defended Manu and RJ. Couldn't stop them. He's a better defender allright, but not a stopper.
jjktkk
03-18-2010, 02:36 PM
Barnes defended Manu and RJ. Couldn't stop them. He's a better defender allright, but not a stopper.
If you think about it, there are not a whole lot of defensive stoppers at the sf position. I would place Barnes alongside Shane Battier, Bogans(LOL,just kidding), and Raja Bell, to name a couple of really solid defenders in the league. Barnes would be a significant upgrade for the Spurs at the 3, if they would be able to sign him next year IMO.
santymrc
03-18-2010, 04:02 PM
If you think about it, there are not a whole lot of defensive stoppers at the sf position. I would place Barnes alongside Shane Battier, Bogans(LOL,just kidding), and Raja Bell, to name a couple of really solid defenders in the league. Barnes would be a significant upgrade for the Spurs at the 3, if they would be able to sign him next year IMO.
What I do like about Barnes is that he can be more effective from the 3 (at times) and slashes to the basket without the ball a lot. But his defense is nowhere near the top of the league imo. Overall his good tho. Artest is waaaay better than him (even in a shooting slump).
But you're right, there are no defesive stoppers in this league anymore (Bell is not at his best) and the closest to it are usually undersized to play SF (Battier).
Nocioni is a good option but has a high pay-roll. He's undersized as well.
Noc and Barnes are very similar players. I'll trade Mason's ass and Bogans for Noc every day tho.
Obstructed_View
03-18-2010, 07:24 PM
Yes, the Spurs do need to find a sf prospect or 2 to develop. One veteran guy who will be available next year is Matt Barnes. I believe he is a UFA after this year, and is a Bruce Bowen clone. Barnes possesses alot of the same qualities that Bowen had when he was playing. Don't know how much $$$$ Barnes is looking for, but if the Spurs could sign him and add a sf thru the draft this summer, I would be estatic.
I've seen nothing from Barnes so far to make me think he's worth scrapping Malik Hairston for.
Obstructed_View
03-18-2010, 07:25 PM
Yes, the Spurs do need to find a sf prospect or 2 to develop. One veteran guy who will be available next year is Matt Barnes. I believe he is a UFA after this year, and is a Bruce Bowen clone. Barnes possesses alot of the same qualities that Bowen had when he was playing. Don't know how much $$$$ Barnes is looking for, but if the Spurs could sign him and add a sf thru the draft this summer, I would be estatic.
I've seen nothing from Barnes so far to make me think he's worth scrapping Malik Hairston for. He's an upgrade from Keith Bogans, but who isn't?
DesignatedT
03-18-2010, 08:32 PM
I've seen nothing from Barnes so far to make me think he's worth scrapping Malik Hairston for. He's an upgrade from Keith Bogans, but who isn't?
roger mason jr
jjktkk
03-18-2010, 09:44 PM
I've seen nothing from Barnes so far to make me think he's worth scrapping Malik Hairston for. He's an upgrade from Keith Bogans, but who isn't?
I didn't mean signing Barnes at the expense of Hairston. Hairston has a future on this team IMO. I just threw out the idea of signing Barnes next year to upgrade the sf position.
Obstructed_View
03-19-2010, 12:52 PM
roger mason jr
Mason has nearly the exact same numbers, despite struggling mightily this year.
Obstructed_View
03-19-2010, 12:52 PM
I didn't mean signing Barnes at the expense of Hairston. Hairston has a future on this team IMO. I just threw out the idea of signing Barnes next year to upgrade the sf position.
I don't think any number of small forwards is going to fix the Spurs' defense until they do something about the power forward/center position anyway, but if the Spurs sign Barnes, I promise you it will be at the expense of Hairston.
DesignatedT
03-19-2010, 01:15 PM
Mason has nearly the exact same numbers, despite struggling mightily this year.
:lol ok? exactly my point. he is worse this year than bogans...
Mason Jr. has played worse Defense and has shot worse from the field and 3 point line since the Rodeo Trip.
On top of that he whined about minutes. Fucking shame that he couldn't have been traded out for a second round pick.
Obstructed_View
03-19-2010, 01:52 PM
:lol ok? exactly my point. he is worse this year than bogans...
Uh, no. At his worst he's exactly the same as Bogans. The difference is that we know he potentially has an upside.
DesignatedT
03-19-2010, 02:06 PM
Uh, no. At his worst he's exactly the same as Bogans. The difference is that we know he potentially has an upside.
How does a worse FG%, a worse 3pt% and worse defense result in exactly the same production?
the argument used to be his offense was better than bogans defense but this year bogans offense is better than masons LMAO. and mason defense? please he actually makes bogans look like bruce out there when you compare those 2 guys.
gtfo with that bullshit.
i dont give a shit about bogans or mason, but when bogans is taking all the heat and then you sit there defending roger masons play... that just doesnt make sense.
Obstructed_View
03-19-2010, 11:20 PM
How does a worse FG%, a worse 3pt% and worse defense result in exactly the same production?
the argument used to be his offense was better than bogans defense but this year bogans offense is better than masons LMAO. and mason defense? please he actually makes bogans look like bruce out there when you compare those 2 guys.
gtfo with that bullshit.
i dont give a shit about bogans or mason, but when bogans is taking all the heat and then you sit there defending roger masons play... that just doesnt make sense.
Speaking of bullshit. :lol
Glad you failed to point out that Mason's scoring more and getting more assists.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q228/GeneralPurpose/Umwhut.jpg
Mason is measurably better than Bogans despite struggling and not getting anything approaching consistent minutes this season. The whole idea of Bogans being a good defender kind of goes out the window when Vince Carter suddenly goes off when Bogans steps onto the floor. Expecting either Bogans or Mason to be the key on your defense is not terribly bright, but expecting Bogans to produce offensively is downright retarded. If you need more to convince you, perhaps noticing he scored three points in a game where the Spurs dropped 150 on Golden State would help.
^ Pretty deceiving since he nosedived during and since the rodeo trip. Bogans > Mason. Spurs don't really have anyone to defend Carter or really any athletic scorer but Bogans is one of the better options they have. He did do well against Wade though.
Bogans is not a scorer but he's been more efficient. And if you're going to bring up tonight's game; he again outplayed Mason Jr. Bogan also brings in a consistent defensive effort and moves without the ball better.
Bogans: 3 points (1-3 FG, 1-1 3P), 6 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 turnover, 2 fouls, 18 minutes, +25
Mason "More minutes" Jr.: 4 points (2-7 FG, 0-3 3P), 1 assist, 3 rebounds, 2 turnovers, 1 foul, 1 steal, 20:30 minutes, + 3
murpjf88
03-20-2010, 12:30 AM
Speaking of bullshit. :lol
Glad you failed to point out that Mason's scoring more and getting more assists.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q228/GeneralPurpose/Umwhut.jpg
Mason is measurably better than Bogans despite struggling and not getting anything approaching consistent minutes this season. The whole idea of Bogans being a good defender kind of goes out the window when Vince Carter suddenly goes off when Bogans steps onto the floor. Expecting either Bogans or Mason to be the key on your defense is not terribly bright, but expecting Bogans to produce offensively is downright retarded. If you need more to convince you, perhaps noticing he scored three points in a game where the Spurs dropped 150 on Golden State would help.
Numbers are a bit deceiving. Mason's numbers are a bit inflated because of a hot stretch from mid December to mid January. He also takes 2.5 more shot per game. He's taken 155 more shot attempts than bogans in less minutes. I'm not going to make a big deal over .6 differential in assists other than the fact that Pop has used him as a backup point gaurd when TP's been sidelined. Its less than one assist a game more and not really a big deal.
Bogans defense is laughable at times, but its still marginally better than Mason's.
Obstructed_View
03-20-2010, 12:57 AM
I only use Mason's numbers to point out how useless Bogans is anyway. I'd be perfectly happy with Hairston getting the lion's share of minutes this season, and I'd keep giving Mason a chance to shoot his way out of his slump. He gets his confidence back at any point this season, he suddenly makes the Spurs a LOT better. As I've said before, I don't think Bogans possesses that kind of upside, even though he's played very well at times over the past few weeks.
santymrc
03-20-2010, 01:02 AM
I only use Mason's numbers to throw up :vomit:
ShoogarBear
03-20-2010, 01:25 AM
LOL @ who's more valuable, Mason or Bogans.
When guys with those numbers are taking up a combined 40 MPG, you're in trouble.
Johnny RIngo
03-20-2010, 02:48 AM
^ Pretty deceiving since he nosedived during and since the rodeo trip. Bogans > Mason. Spurs don't really have anyone to defend Carter or really any athletic scorer but Bogans is one of the better options they have. He did do well against Wade though.
They should have been developing Hairston instead of wasting a year on a player that won't be here next season.
Obstructed_View
03-20-2010, 02:55 AM
LOL @ who's more valuable, Mason or Bogans.
When guys with those numbers are taking up a combined 40 MPG, you're in trouble.
When you don't have Bowen, basically what you've got at that position is funnelers where you go back to the original Spurs defense to force guys baseline to the shot blockers.
When you don't have Bowen and you don't have shot blockers, it's time to start leaning on your offense. That pretty much means no more Bogans.
objective
03-20-2010, 03:20 AM
Malik should get every minute from Bogans and Mason. You guys don't have to argue over which, he should replace both.
A rotation of RJ-MH, GH-MG, and TP-GH/MG is something I'd love to see, with a healthy sprinkling of DNP-CDs for Bogans and Mason.
Mason's numbers since January 31, 2010.
20 Games played (2 DNP's)
17.1 MPG
30-109 from the field (28%)
14-63 from 3pt land (22%)
:wow
santymrc
03-22-2010, 02:09 AM
I still hate you Bogans... Even moaaar. :lol
Brazil
03-22-2010, 08:04 AM
Bogans is our worst player
timtonymanu
03-22-2010, 08:06 AM
No matter what happens, this guy will be resigned in the offseason. Even though he shouldnt be.
Ice009
03-22-2010, 08:10 AM
Bogans should be released along with the person who started this thread.
easy7
03-22-2010, 08:10 AM
We should hang our head in shame when we have a defensive centerpiece that lets everything, even my grandma, go around him for easy shots. His main strenght is fouling people after they went past him. I.e. He sucks. I think we would be better off playing 4 on 5... never mind, we are already doing that when he is in the court. :lmao
Chieflion
03-22-2010, 11:04 AM
We should hang our head in shame when we have a defensive centerpiece that lets everything, even my grandma, go around him for easy shots. His main strenght is fouling people after they went past him. I.e. He sucks. I think we would be better off playing 4 on 5... never mind, we are already doing that when he is in the court. :lmao
It is 4 on 6. The centerpiece has to play for the other team every time he is on the court.
santymrc
03-22-2010, 12:08 PM
Centershit.
ace3g
03-22-2010, 12:15 PM
the problem is in the last couple of games Pop has a rotations where Bogans, Mason, and Bonner are on court at the same time, that just won't work. At most only 2 of them should be on the court together not all 3
santymrc
03-25-2010, 12:41 AM
I'm not giving up on this thread.
You know I still hate you Bogans, moar and moar and moar...
DesignatedT
03-25-2010, 12:43 AM
oh no.
santymrc
03-25-2010, 12:50 AM
oh no.
Oh yeah...
:pimpslap
HarlemHeat37
03-25-2010, 12:52 AM
Those 2 passes he made and that horrendous shot he tried over Kobe were 2 of the top highlights of the game..
DesignatedT
03-25-2010, 12:52 AM
Oh yeah...
:pimpslap
:lol
Manu-of-steel
03-25-2010, 12:59 AM
What say thou now,, Bogan lovers?
Obstructed_View
03-25-2010, 01:03 AM
What's odd is that you could see Pop screaming at him from the sideline on at least three separate occasions and he still kept getting minutes.
All part of the plan, like going completely away from Hill in the third quarter and pulling Manu and Duncan on schedule for the 'no offense, no rebound' bunch in the fourth. When the ESPN guys recognize that Blair and Bonner have a size problem against the Lakers, you wonder how anyone in the organization manages not to.
TimDunkem
03-25-2010, 01:06 AM
When the ESPN guys recognize that Blair and Bonner have a size problem against the Lakers, you wonder how anyone in the organization manages not to.
It's driving me crazy. :bang
DesignatedT
03-25-2010, 01:07 AM
What's odd is that you could see Pop screaming at him from the sideline on at least three separate occasions and he still kept getting minutes.
All part of the plan, like going completely away from Hill in the third quarter and pulling Manu and Duncan on schedule for the 'no offense, no rebound' bunch in the fourth.
your not that dumb are you? you think it was pop who "went away" from hill? :lol please, most of hills first half points were just him being aggressive and taking it to the rack himself and im sure defensive adjustments had nothing to do with shutting down a 2nd year player... phil jackson isnt smart enough to pull off anything like that....
santymrc
03-25-2010, 01:11 AM
What's odd is that you could see Pop screaming at him from the sideline on at least three separate occasions and he still kept getting minutes.
All part of the plan, like going completely away from Hill in the third quarter and pulling Manu and Duncan on schedule for the 'no offense, no rebound' bunch in the fourth. When the ESPN guys recognize that Blair and Bonner have a size problem against the Lakers, you wonder how anyone in the organization manages not to.
Theo trade is coming back to bite our ass. Dunno what was Pop thinking.
DesignatedT, you're right.
santymrc
03-25-2010, 03:13 AM
Just one more time before I go to bed. I HATE YOU BOGANS.
Done.
:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep
Obstructed_View
03-25-2010, 05:34 AM
your not that dumb are you? you think it was pop who "went away" from hill? :lol please, most of hills first half points were just him being aggressive and taking it to the rack himself and im sure defensive adjustments had nothing to do with shutting down a 2nd year player... phil jackson isnt smart enough to pull off anything like that....
Of course Pop has nothing to do with it when things go wrong, only when they go right. Either he fucked up or he got outcoached. Six of one...
santymrc
03-25-2010, 09:38 AM
lol I woke up with the same feeling... I hate you Bogans :toast
nkdlunch
03-25-2010, 10:08 AM
Yes, we lost last night because of Bogans. you know, Timmy was playing fantastic and Bogans has to fuck everything up.
:lol
Bogans is officially the new Jacque Vaughn. I cringe when he comes on the floor.
It's not fair to blame Bogans for the loss, but what did he do to contribute to a win?
Did he score any points?
Did he play lock down defense...on anyone?
Did he make great rotations on defense?
Did he ignite a Lakers fast break by giving Lamar Odom a great pass? Wait, never mind, this one doesn't help the Spurs win.
Bogans' spotty defense doesn't make up for being a complete scrub on offense.
elbamba
03-25-2010, 10:31 AM
This team will not win crap against any good teams with Bogans, Bonner and Mason getting the kind of playing time and shots they currently get.
ElNono
03-25-2010, 10:44 AM
Yes, we lost last night because of Bogans. you know, Timmy was playing fantastic and Bogans has to fuck everything up.
:lol
Bogans is definitely part of the problem, not the solution...
easy7
03-25-2010, 12:36 PM
Bogans can't even pretend that he is playing defense. he can score 2 or 3 three pointers on a good day but he usually gives an average of 20+ points with his defend from behind lock down defense. He really makes me wish Finley had not left.
Spurs7794
03-25-2010, 01:00 PM
Bogans is officially the new Jacque Vaughn. I cringe when he comes on the floor.
Vaughn was much better. Atleast he could run the team. With Bogans, its baffling how Pop thinks he's adding ANYTHING to the team. Its ridiculous...he is not a consistent shooter at all...never feel like his open shots are gonna go in. Bruce was so money from those spots, its hurts. Bogans is a decent rebounder BUT he is a TERRIBLE post entry passer (HOLY LORD he is terrible at this) and he's awful off the dribble. Bruce atleast had a one dribble pull up to keep defenses somewhat honest. Bogans hasn't done anything really well on defense since the beginning of the season. We just play 4 on 5 constantly and he is a foul machine so we send them to the line. Gahhhhh, my last 17 facebook statuses have been some variation of hatred towards Bogans.
Hooks
03-25-2010, 02:36 PM
Bogans is officially the new Ime Udoka. I cringe when he comes on the floor.
Fify
Chomag
03-25-2010, 02:55 PM
Nah, both Ime and Vaughn were much better players then Bogans. That pretty much says how bad bogans is. He probably would have a hard time finding a D-league team yet he is a spurs (was a starter) rotational player.
I have a feeling when TP comes back he will be starting again.
objective
03-25-2010, 05:28 PM
Ime and Jacque were not Centerpieces though.
Centerpiece.
CENTERPIECE !
HarlemHeat37
03-25-2010, 05:49 PM
I can't believe the OP had the balls to make this thread after 1 game LOL..Bogans has been doing this all season..1 good game, followed by 14 bad games..
santymrc
03-25-2010, 05:52 PM
The OP is Bogans.
Chomag
03-25-2010, 05:56 PM
I'm just getting so sick of seeing that stupid "I'm all that" Smirk of his. Not to mention his constant strutting around like he thinks anyone cares.
HarlemHeat37
03-25-2010, 05:59 PM
Can you blame him for laughing all the time?..the guy is riding high..he probably thinks it's a joke that he gets major minutes for the Spurs when he probably wouldn't even be on the 12-man roster of any other team in the NBA..
Chomag
03-25-2010, 06:07 PM
:lol True that!
nkdlunch
03-26-2010, 10:31 PM
Bump bitches
DesignatedT
03-26-2010, 10:33 PM
Bump bitches
:lol
DesignatedT
03-26-2010, 10:34 PM
Can you blame him for laughing all the time?..the guy is riding high..he probably thinks it's a joke that he gets major minutes for the Spurs when he probably wouldn't even be on the 12-man roster of any other team in the NBA..
did you see this again tonight? pop was laying into him hard and bogans was just standin there laughing his ass off
Budkin
03-26-2010, 10:37 PM
Very nice game tonight for the Bogey.
yavozerb
03-26-2010, 10:43 PM
Bump bitches
and again...:lol
FvckMavs
03-26-2010, 10:46 PM
This thread went bipolar.
HarlemHeat37
03-26-2010, 10:53 PM
I gave Bogans love when nkd made this thread for his game vs. Miami..he then followed it up by having 5 bad games in a row, now he has another good game..this is his M.O..I don't want to be a "Bogans hater", I want him to do well since he's going to play 20 MPG either way, but he needs to bring it on a consistent level, even semi-consistent..he's been extremely inconsistent all season..
DesignatedT
03-26-2010, 10:54 PM
All i know is that Bogans>Mason. anyone who still thinks otherwise is just a hater or living in the past.
Buddy Holly
03-26-2010, 10:55 PM
The guy is so inconsistent, what's the point of acting like he's turned the corner because he had a decent game?
DesignatedT
03-26-2010, 10:56 PM
Can't wait for his 0 pts 1 reb game o n 0-4 shooting and the "bump."
we all know its coming.
santymrc
03-26-2010, 11:01 PM
This thread went bipolar.
:downspin::downspin::downspin:
I love Bogans
:downspin::downspin::downspin:
Neeh I still Hate Him
:downspin::downspin::downspin:
Obstructed_View
03-26-2010, 11:18 PM
All i know is that Bogans>Mason. anyone who still thinks otherwise is just a hater or living in the past.
Considering how poorly Mason's played, it wouldn't be saying much even if it were true, which statistically it hasn't been for most of the season.
nkdlunch
03-27-2010, 12:45 AM
did you see this again tonight? pop was laying into him hard and bogans was just standin there laughing his ass off
props, this is the post of the night in this thread.
Bogans was laughing his ass off because he is one bad motherfucker from DC. Why u think Pop puts him in.
MannyIsGod
03-27-2010, 02:49 AM
Very nice game tonight for the Bogey.
So the motherfucker hit 2 open shots. CONGRATS. I mean really I'm not going to suck this bitch's dick when he hits 2 wide open fucking 3s and sucks the rest of the night.
Blind squirrel meet a fucking nut.
Be sure to bump this in his next 3 point 3 turnover bad defense outing. You won't have to wait long for that. I'm glad his 6 point bad defense outing tonight gave some of you wood but give me a break.
MannyIsGod
03-27-2010, 02:51 AM
Its not fucking suprise that the Spurs win when the worst player in their rotation doesn't play like he belongs in the Dleague. Logic explains that shit pretty easily. When your weakest link plays well you win. Amazing fucking concept.
The problem is that the 90% of the time when the centerpiece plays like the a floating turd. But sure, enjoy your "bump". I'd be amazed if he's not back to playing like complete ass in the next game.
mingus
03-27-2010, 03:05 AM
i was at the game tonight, and man, Bogans has stubby arms. i think he has a 5 1/2 feet wing span.
mingus
03-27-2010, 03:07 AM
and Bogans sucks balls. dude is bound to have a bullshit game every once and a while. he'll suck against the Celtics.
mingus
03-27-2010, 03:08 AM
and Mason is not an NBA player. dude dribbled the ball off of his leg during half-time warmups and the ball boy had to give it to him. b/w Mason and Bogans, though, if i had to pick it's be Bogans.
MannyIsGod
03-27-2010, 03:45 AM
Fuck, I miss Finley. And thats fucking sad. Really sad.
mingus
03-27-2010, 03:48 AM
Fuck, I miss Finley. And thats fucking sad. Really sad.
yup.
yavozerb
03-27-2010, 08:08 AM
So the motherfucker hit 2 open shots. CONGRATS. I mean really I'm not going to suck this bitch's dick when he hits 2 wide open fucking 3s and sucks the rest of the night.
Blind squirrel meet a fucking nut.
Be sure to bump this in his next 3 point 3 turnover bad defense outing. You won't have to wait long for that. I'm glad his 6 point bad defense outing tonight gave some of you wood but give me a break.
:violin...Probably for the 1000th time, bogans is not a scorer. Damn, choose another NBA team already
and Bogans sucks balls. dude is bound to have a bullshit game every once and a while. he'll suck against the Celtics.
Maybe...but for now how about quit being such a downer and support ALL the spurs...
timtonymanu
03-27-2010, 08:12 AM
Fuck, I miss Finley. And thats fucking sad. Really sad.
Fuck no. I rather have Bogans. Bogans is overplayed but he's not getting the minutes Finley usually gets. At least lately.
MannyIsGod
03-27-2010, 08:41 AM
:violin...Probably for the 1000th time, bogans is not a scorer. Damn, choose another NBA team already
Oh ok Spurs fan police. I know he's not a scorer, but he's sure as hell not a defender either. Just because a player sucks at the offensive end doesn't mean he's a good defender. There have been maybe 3 games this season where Bogans has come close to making up for his offensive deficiencies (tonight wasn't one of them) with his defense. The games where he's actually not a liability are the ones where he scores because his defense is so rarely stellar.
And basketball is played at both ends of the court. I think stupid Spurs fans who don't understand basketball well (read: YOU) have watched Bruce Bowen for years and figure that you can put any person into that role and it doesn't matter how well they spread the floor or what they do on offense. Bowen in his first few years here was nowhere near a great offensive player but he was already far better than what Bogans is now. He could spread the floor much better and rarely tried to do too much. As he developed more of an offensive game he tended to try to drive too much at times but all in all there was a net gain in his offensive ability even though he got into trouble at times. Bogans frequently tries to do far too much with the ball on the offensive end and is no where near the shooter that Bowen ever was.
So what we have now is a player who comes no where near the level of the previous defender and can't match the same offensive stature either. Thats a serious fucking problem when he's trying to fill the same role effectively.
It makes zero sense to keep putting this guy on the floor for major minutes when 9 out of 10 games he does more harm than good. It is seriously debatable as to whether or not he's the 3rd best wing defender on this team (George Hill is better, and Harriston may well be a better defender too) and people in here want to act as though he's some kind of defensive lynchpin just because Pop has a running case of senility regarding his rotation at the 2/3.
But yeah, I get it, he's not an offensive player. Wake me up when he's any kind of player.
Maybe...but for now how about quit being such a downer and support ALL the spurs...
No. I'm sorry that some people here don't want to spoon feed images of pretty pink ponys and butterflys dancing in fields of rainbows. Some of us actually prefer the truth.
MannyIsGod
03-27-2010, 08:47 AM
Out of 99 SGs in the NBA, Bogans is ranked 11th in PER.
Well, 11th from the bottom anyway.
In +/- on the Spurs Bogans is ranked 10th.
MannyIsGod
03-27-2010, 08:53 AM
Just to give you a frame of reference, the last 2 years Bowen was an actual rotation player (this is not counting last year) he was 5th and 2nd on the team in +/-.
There is absolutely no reason to use Bogans at this point. Even if you believe his defense is above average (which makes you fairly retarded in my book) the fact of a matter is that he is a net loss which makes it irrelevant.
timtonymanu
03-27-2010, 08:57 AM
No. I'm sorry that some people here don't want to spoon feed images of pretty pink ponys and butterflys dancing in fields of rainbows. Some of us actually prefer the truth.
I agree. I hate it when some of these fans say we're horrible fans because we all dont follow the delusional behavior that the spurs are always contenders and that all the players are worth giving a damn about.
elbamba
03-27-2010, 09:26 AM
I still hate KB and if he is on the team next year, someone needs to be fired.
Bogans had one of the most impressive defensive performances out of any Spurs this season and it was against Jamison and James.
He can't guard everybody but he seems to do well against those guys and Wade. Unfortunately for the Spurs they don't have very many options when it comes to defending perimeter players but Bogans still brings in defensive hustle, 3 point shot, and moves without the ball better than guys like Mason Jr. and actually cuts to the basket once in a while.
Not bad for a cheap player.
Obstructed_View
03-27-2010, 12:56 PM
Bogans had one of the most impressive defensive performances for him this season and it was against the two guys who scored 53 percent of their team's points.
Blackjack
03-27-2010, 01:15 PM
http://www.nba.com/spurs/photos/100326_25.jpg
Gettin' 'Fierce' . . .
LOL@MavsFan
03-27-2010, 01:21 PM
he still blows....one game out 10 that he plays decent
HarlemHeat37
03-27-2010, 02:03 PM
Bogans didn't really do anything against Lebron..he blew by him whenever he wanted to..I don't expect him to be able to defend Lebron though..
His fronting against Jamison was good D though, like I said before, he deserves credit for that..
I wouldn't use Wade as example, he couldn't get anything going against Jefferson, Manu or Hill either..
TJastal
03-27-2010, 02:04 PM
Props to KB. I think we're finally seeing what Bogans' game consists of. He is a little mini-compact power forward in a SG body who can use his lower center of gravity to bully taller, larger players. Call it a 'niche' defensive role but could be valuable come playoff time.
Bogans had one of the most impressive defensive performances for him this season and it was against the two guys who scored 53 percent of their team's points.
Did you watch the game or have stats when Bogans was actually on the court since he only played 22 mins while James and Jamison played over 37 mins? :toast
Its hard to quantify his effort and hustle. Doesn't always work but I haven't seen Jamison get that frustrated in a long while.
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