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Bruno
03-17-2010, 01:19 PM
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Travis Outlaw | F
Born: Sep 18, 1984
Height: 6-9 / 2.06
Weight: 207 lbs. / 93.9 kg.
High School: Starkville HS (MS)
Years Pro: 6

Info (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/travis_outlaw/career_stats.html)

Bartleby
03-17-2010, 01:24 PM
It would be nice to see him in silver and black, but the only way I see that happening is if the Spurs don't re-sign Manu or they learn for sure that Splitter isn't coming.

yavozerb
03-17-2010, 01:28 PM
I will def. take splitter over this guy if i had to choose. Nice consolation prize though

timtonymanu
03-20-2010, 06:27 PM
im a secret mini blazer fan (dont tell tlong).

And Outlaw was my favorite player on the team. I definitely want this guy. We can avoid small ball if we sign him.

J_Paco
03-23-2010, 08:20 AM
This guy would really solve a lot of the team's issues at the back-up 3/4. I wonder what his asking price would be?

I think the Spurs should still make a run at him with his combination of length, athleticism, three-point shooting and defense. He also wouldn't be afraid of taking the big shots in crunch time.

mountainballer
03-23-2010, 08:36 AM
I would have liked the idea 2 years ago, but I cooled down on Outlaw. he can score a bit and hit the 3 ball, right, but he isn't efficient overall on offense.
and I don't agree about his defense. it is totally overrated. (like often, when guys occasionally block a shot) and he is a really bad rebounder for a guy of his length and athleticism.
if he signs for about half MLE to play a 7th-9th man in your rotation, then ok, he's worth consideration.

DPG21920
03-23-2010, 05:37 PM
I would have liked the idea 2 years ago, but I cooled down on Outlaw. he can score a bit and hit the 3 ball, right, but he isn't efficient overall on offense.
and I don't agree about his defense. it is totally overrated. (like often, when guys occasionally block a shot) and he is a really bad rebounder for a guy of his length and athleticism.
if he signs for about half MLE to play a 7th-9th man in your rotation, then ok, he's worth consideration.

I agree whole-heartedly. I am not sold on him at all. He is decent but not the player people around here make him out to be.

HarlemHeat37
03-23-2010, 05:46 PM
I don't think his D is overrated, because everybody knows it's weak..his own coach said he tries on D but doesn't have the instincts to be a good defender..I don't think he would be a good fit here..

I would take him for the right price, but I think he might get overpaid..

Bruno
03-23-2010, 06:01 PM
I'm not sure Spurs will add a major perimeter player via FA this summer.

If Spurs do nothing fancy this summer, they will have 4 perimeter players who will are locks to be in the rotation: Parker, Hill, Ginobili and Jefferson. Behind them, only one player can get consistent playing time.

If Spurs like Hairston enough, he could be that 5th perimeter player. If Spurs draft a SG or a SF with their first round pick , they could also give a shot at this player. Spurs could sign a cheap vet as insurance in case the young players failed.

Given their financial situation and their needs, I don't really see Spurs spending significant money on a player like Outlaw. IMO, the money will be spend on Ginobili and Splitter.

DPG21920
03-23-2010, 06:13 PM
Given their financial situation and their needs, I don't really see Spurs spending significant money on a player like Outlaw. IMO, the money will be spend on Ginobili and Splitter.

Do you think this is smart? Is this enough to make them a true contender?

Bruno
03-23-2010, 06:47 PM
Do you think this is smart? Is this enough to make them a true contender?

Yes, I think it's smart and it's the best Spurs can realistically do. Re-signing Ginobili is a no-brainer and Splitter is the best bigman Spurs can get with the MLE. What else do you want to do?

HarlemHeat37
03-23-2010, 06:57 PM
I think the Spurs will at least shop RJ's contract and see if anybody has some interest in it..very unlikely that somebody takes it, but I wouldn't say it's impossible..that will probably dictate the off-season..

Signing Manu and Splitter should be the 2 main priorities though, and I would be happy with those moves being the main moves..

A rotation of Parker/Ginobili/Jefferson/Duncan/Splitter/Hill/Blair/McDyess/Hairston/1st round pick would be fine with me and would give us a SHOT at being a contender if TP can regain his form(which he will IMO)..I still hope that they can trade Jefferson though, that would be my 3rd wish after signing Manu and Splitter..

DPG21920
03-23-2010, 07:08 PM
Yes, I think it's smart and it's the best Spurs can realistically do. Re-signing Ginobili is a no-brainer and Splitter is the best bigman Spurs can get with the MLE. What else do you want to do?

I agree with the realistic part, but I think they need to explore more via the trade route.

My point is, does re-signing Manu and bringing in Tiago make them significantly better? If not, and the goal is to win a title, what can you do?

Bruno
03-23-2010, 07:25 PM
I agree with the realistic part, but I think they need to explore more via the trade route.

My point is, does re-signing Manu and bringing in Tiago make them significantly better? If not, and the goal is to win a title, what can you do?

I should be the one asking you "what can you do?".

Saying "they need to explore more via the trade route." is easy. It's harder to come with a trade that makes sense for Spurs and the other team.

I think that re-signing Manu, signing Splitter and filling the roster with cheap players is likely the best Spurs can do this summer. If you disagree with that, what do you propose like alternative off-season plan?

DPG21920
03-23-2010, 07:38 PM
I should be the one asking you "what can you do?".

Saying "they need to explore more via the trade route." is easy. It's harder to come with a trade that makes sense for Spurs and the other team.

I think that re-signing Manu, signing Splitter and filling the roster with cheap players is likely the best Spurs can do this summer. If you disagree with that, what do you propose like alternative off-season plan?

I am playing devils advocate. I am not sure what the Spurs should do and it largely depends on what their goal is.

It is also quite easy to say "the Spurs signing Manu and Tiago is the easiest thing to do and the best the Spurs can do". Does that make it right? Is the goal to win a title or just be good? Is it to rebuild? Is it somewhere in between?

If the goal is to win a title, and the Spurs sign Manu and Tiago, does that truly help them reach their goal of legitimately competing for a title? If not, why do it? Would that not make you re-evaluate your goal or the means to reach your goal?

I don't know if Tiago would essentially bridge the gap between the Spurs and LA/CLE/ORL. Because re-signing Manu and adding Tiago would leave the Spurs in the same boat as this year with regards to the core + Tiago.

Do you just go the easy route (signing Manu and Tiago) and hope that is enough? Do you try and do something major in order to shake things up (sign and trade Manu, move TP, shop RJ and bring in someone like Iguodala?)

Do you start to rebuild? I don't have the answers, but I was wondering what the thought process is and where the FO stands with regards to what is needed in order to legitimately compete.

I think a healthy TP, Manu & Tim with RJ (playing like he has lately) plus a guy like Tiago (if he adjusts quickly) is pretty good and could have a shot. But what I think is not important.

Bruno
03-23-2010, 07:51 PM
It is also quite easy to say "the Spurs signing Manu and Tiago is the easiest thing to do and the best the Spurs can do". Does that make it right? Is the goal to win a title or just be good? Is it to rebuild? Is it somewhere in between?


Well, it's just my opinion and the difference is that I'm proposing something precise and quite realistic.
The goal of these moves will to be good. I highly doubt Spurs could do a move(s) that put them back in the "true contender" category.



Do you start to rebuild? I don't have the answers, but I was wondering what the thought process is and where the FO stands with regards to what is needed in order to legitimately compete.

I guess it will depend on what happen in the playoffs.

DPG21920
03-23-2010, 08:30 PM
Well, it's just my opinion and the difference is that I'm proposing something precise and quite realistic.
The goal of these moves will to be good. I highly doubt Spurs could do a move(s) that put them back in the "true contender" category.



.

I agree that is the likely course of action, I was trying to get into the "why". I guess they don't want to go into full rebuild mode, but they might not have enough to make the moves to give them a legit shot at a title either. Tough spot.

Blackjack
03-23-2010, 11:21 PM
I feel ya, DPG, and have had many the same question myself.

Really, if we're to talk bottom line, they've got to make a significant move. Ideally RJ, and they've got to be open to seeing what Parker can bring; Duncan's going nowhere and Manu couldn't fetch the talent needed.

Mel said something a while back that was just so plain, simple and obvious ... and, yet, so utterly true: the nature of an 'all-in' bet is that you're 'all-in' (paraphrasing).

They pushed their chips in with RJ ... and unless they can find someone to bankroll them (giving them a favorable trade that involves RJ, Tony or both -- highly, highly unlikely) to get themselves back in the game, I'm afraid their only option is to simply make due.

I believe they can be a pretty good team next year with essentially the addition of Splitter to this group, probably a 50+ win team, I just don't see a championship (unless RJ brings over the right talent at the trade deadline).

You're right. It's a tough spot (made all the tougher because of Tim and the looming CBA).

mountainballer
03-24-2010, 04:17 AM
I agree, we can speculate how a major trade will push us back to contender status as much as we want, as long as this didn't happen, we have to go with what we have.
and what we have is Manu's bird rights, Splitter's rights and the 2010 1st round and 2nd round pick.
(ok, we also have Bonner's bird rights and Mason's early bird rights, but I would consider this a minor question).

the question if the Spurs still believe they are contenders and they are still willing to do whatever possible to win another title will be answered by the Manu re signing or not re signing. period.
if they let Manu go, they officially end the dynasty and start the re building process. IMO it's that easy.

so, what potential do we have?
we must not ignore the upside and downside potential within the roster.
(compared to this season)
Spurs face a huge downside potential in Tim.
best case: he is pretty much the same like this season.
realistic case: he shows the typical decline most players show every year once they are over 30.
worst case: he is hit by the age wall, something we also often see, when a player seems to have aged 3 years within one and his numbers go down 30% or more. (like for example Hakeem between 34 and 35).

in the worst case for Tim, Spurs are out, no matter what the other factors bring in.

scenarios for Manu look pretty much the same.

upside scenarios:

Tiago
comes in and surprises by immediately adjusting to NBA play and starter quality production. (something like 12 and 8 in 30MPG. similar to Marc Gasol in his first year)
even decent regular rotation production from Tiago could be rated as upgrade. (like 10 and 7 in 24 minutes. see Scola's first year)

Blair
developes in all areas (especially on defense) and becomes the 3rd big in the rotation and delivers 11 and 8 in 24 MPG.

Hill
plays more constantly on the level we have seen in several games and improves playmaking and defense. starts the whole season and delivers 14PPG and 4APG in 33 MPG.

Tony
full healthy and rested, comes back at the 2008-09 level and plays another all star season. (20 and 6)

RJ
in the worst case he is as bad as this year, because worse almost isn't possible. so, there is a realistic chance that with another year under his belt and the contract year factor he will be a bit better. maybe not even his numbers, but his overall impact.

Dice
gives decent veteran production as the 4th man in the big rotation.

Hairston
finally becomes part of the regular rotation and delivers what Bogans does, plus the much better offense he is capable to play.


1st rounder
Spurs were quite lucky in the last 2 years, Blair and hill are regular rotation players. chance is there they find another productive player, who will produce immediately.
a combo forward with good defense (like Pondexter or James), or a mobile and shotblocking big (like Sanders or Udoh) might immediately be able to impact the game and so the overall quality of the Spurs.

free agency
Spurs can sign a decent (best case two) veteran for the vet. min., likely a back up PG and/or a perimeter defensive specialist.
(like Raja Bell and/or Steve Blake)

all those upside scenario's are of course only little steps. but if we are lucky and let's say 6 of this 10 materialize, while Tim and Manu are still playing well, then there is hope the Spurs can compete with the Lakers.
(who of course must not improve significantely in the same time.)

Mel_13
03-24-2010, 08:09 AM
It is also quite easy to say

:wakeup

DPG21920
03-24-2010, 08:57 AM
:wakeup

? Am I missing something?

Mel_13
03-24-2010, 09:34 AM
? Am I missing something?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3770764&postcount=138

:p:

benefactor
03-24-2010, 12:28 PM
:lol

Blackjack
03-24-2010, 12:31 PM
Quite simply, hilarious. :lol

Blackjack
03-24-2010, 12:36 PM
Well put, mountainballer, and, per the usual, we agree.:tu

DPG21920
03-24-2010, 03:47 PM
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3770764&postcount=138

:p:

:lmao

DesignatedT
06-20-2010, 09:10 PM
Outlaw would be nice for the right price IMO. He has great size and can hit the 3 ball which are 2 things we can definitely use at the 3 position.

benefactor
06-20-2010, 09:16 PM
I don't see how the Spurs could sign him unless he is willing to take a pay cut from last year. All the Spurs can offer is the LLE(assuming Splitter takes most of the MLE).

Mel_13
06-20-2010, 09:24 PM
I don't see how the Spurs could sign him unless he is willing to take a pay cut from last year. All the Spurs can offer is the LLE(assuming Splitter takes most of the MLE).

Yeah, Clippers have full Bird Rights. LLE ain't gonna get it done.

DesignatedT
06-20-2010, 09:42 PM
Yeah, Clippers have full Bird Rights. LLE ain't gonna get it done.

I have a quick question for you mel or anyone else who can answer... Say the Spurs only use 4 mil of the 5.8 MLE to sign Splitter. Can you take the remaining 1.8 mil and combine it with the LLE to offer another FA or no? Also, If we sign our first round draft pick, will his contract go against the MLE also?

Thanks.

Mel_13
06-20-2010, 09:48 PM
I have a quick question for you mel or anyone else who can answer... Say the Spurs only use 4 mil of the 5.8 MLE to sign Splitter. Can you take the remaining 1.8 mil and combine it with the LLE to offer another FA or no? Also, If we sign our first round draft pick, will his contract go against the MLE also?

Thanks.

Can't combine any part of the LLE with any part of the MLE.

A player picked in the first round this year can be signed to a rookie scale contract and will not count against the MLE.

If the Spurs want to sign a second round pick to more than a minimum contract, they will have to use all or part of the LLE or MLE. They did this last year with Blair.

DesignatedT
06-20-2010, 09:49 PM
Can't combine any part of the LLE with any part of the MLE.

A player picked in the first round this year can be signed to a rookie scale contract and will not count against the MLE.

If the Spurs want to sign a second round pick to more than a minimum contract, they will have to use all or part of the LLE or MLE. They did this last year with Blair.

Thanks :toast

ducks
06-20-2010, 11:32 PM
if he is not resticted I could see outlaw wanting to sign with spurs cheap then stay a clipper

SenorSpur
06-21-2010, 12:35 AM
Outlaw would likely be a very productive option for the Spurs at starting SF. Probably even more so than RJ. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Clips simply allow him to walk. However unless the RJ decides to opt-out or the Spurs elect to dump or trade him in July, I don't see how the Spurs could afford to sign Outlaw. Especially when considering the fact that Splitter will probably take up most or all of the MLE.

tomtom
06-21-2010, 01:45 AM
He would be great for the LLE. He had a bad season last year but he was really productive for us in Portland and was a huge spark plug off the bench. He's a good defender not a great 3 shooter but has a decent jumpshot.

ace3g
06-21-2010, 03:08 AM
he is injury prone from what I remember but if he could be had for a cheap contract I'd go for it. Like others have said the Spurs need a 2 true SF, last year RJ was the only SF and the Spurs tried to plug in SG as the SF.

again for me get Splitter than only sign 6'7 or taller players

His last 3 seasons he avg around 38% from 3

024
06-21-2010, 03:22 AM
clippers won't have a shot with lebron but they will probably go hard for johnson. as for outlaw, i think they will try to resign him around the MLE. they did trade away thronton, which was a surprise to me since he is still on a rookie contract and rather productive. theoretically, with griffin coming back plus gordon and baron davis, they will have enough scoring. they will want a complimentary wing player and probably overpay outlaw.

ajballer4
06-21-2010, 11:01 AM
It would be a really good off-season if the Spurs somehow signed Splitter and Outlaw. Drafted a shooter like Xavier Henry and signed a shooter.

That's really all they need to do. Have their line up look like this:

Parker/Hill
Manu/Henry
RJ/Outlaw
Duncan/Blair
Splitter/McDyess

That's 10 players that can all play 20+ minutes.

That right there is a fantastic roster. We'd still have Temple too

SenorSpur
06-21-2010, 11:08 AM
:flag:
It would be a really good off-season if the Spurs somehow signed Splitter and Outlaw. Drafted a shooter like Xavier Henry and signed a shooter.

That's really all they need to do. Have their line up look like this:

Parker/Hill
Manu/Henry
RJ/Outlaw
Duncan/Blair
Splitter/McDyess

That's 10 players that can all play 20+ minutes.

I'm feelin' that. :tu :tu

If the Spurs could accomplish that, what a coup of an offseason that would be.

Spurologist
06-21-2010, 11:30 AM
I've always like Outlaw. He can fly AND he can't only play the 3 but shoot the 3

MaNu4Tres
06-21-2010, 02:36 PM
Don't like his one on one defense or his defense in general, even though he has good length.

Has a hard time creating off the dribble. Can only really create a contested jumper in one on one situations, even though he's a good spot up shooter off the ball.

Overall for the LLE I'd love him (for that price even if he has flaws), but realistically I'd say there's less than a 5% chance that he will be available for what the Spurs have left over after the assumed signing of Splitter. IMO (His market value should be between 4-6 million per year.)

Spurs Brazil
06-21-2010, 02:40 PM
He'd be a great option but I think the LLE will not be enough

urunobili
06-22-2010, 12:49 PM
My off season best case scenario has Travis :tu

MI21
06-23-2010, 10:38 PM
Looks like im in the minority, not a big fan of Outlaw.

His game consists of fadeaway jumpshots after a dribble or two. He is streaky and I'm not sure he would get nearly enough shots on the Spurs to work through those cold streaks. He has that ability to make the surprise play though, which is always a bonus. A flying tip-in, contested fadeaway late in the shotclock, a weakside shotblock.. but none of it is consistent. He has proven he can perform late in games too.

Defensively he gets lost and surprisingly doesn't move well for a guy of his agility and athleticism. He's pretty horrible in this area.

For really cheap, he would obviously be ok, but I wouldn't be particularly excited if the Spurs signed him. (That said, I would still prefer him over RJ, just because of salary :) )

HarlemHeat37
06-23-2010, 11:10 PM
Outlaw is one of those guys that gets overrated every off-season by every fanbase..he's the SF version of Chris Wilcox in that regard..I think the yearly Wilcox off-season hype is finally over though..

SenorSpur
06-24-2010, 12:35 AM
Outlaw is one of those guys that gets overrated every off-season by every fanbase..he's the SF version of Chris Wilcox in that regard..I think the yearly Wilcox off-season hype is finally over though..

interesting analogy.

ace3g
07-08-2010, 10:28 AM
ESPN just reported that the Nets are signing Outlaw to a 5 year deal

tdunk21
07-08-2010, 10:44 AM
ESPN just reported that the Nets are signing Outlaw to a 5 year deal

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5363686


Forward Travis Outlaw has agreed to a five-year, $35 million deal with the Nets, his agent, Bill Duffy, told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.

The 25-year-old Outlaw averaged 8.7 points and 3.6 rebounds in 23 games for the Los Angeles Clippers after being acquired as part of a trade that sent Marcus Camby to the Portland Trail Blazers. In 11 games for Portland last season, Outlaw averaged 9.9 points and 3.5 rebounds.

Drafted in the first round by Portland in 2003, Outlaw has averaged 9.5 points and 3.4 rebounds in seven NBA seasons.

TimmehC
07-08-2010, 10:49 AM
That is some serious cash for Outlaw.

:wow

ace3g
07-08-2010, 10:55 AM
Outlaw Agrees To $25M With Nets

Travis Outlaw has agreed to a five-year, $35 million deal with the Nets, his agent, Bill Duffy, told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.

Outlaw has averaged 9.5 points and 3.4 rebounds in seven NBA seasons.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67974/20100708/outlaw_agrees_to_$25m_with_nets/#ixzz0t6gYpek1


well one guy crossed off my SF wish list

NickiRasgo
10-17-2013, 12:40 AM
How about him? I saw him playing with Kings. He still might a good trade target for a backup SF. Bonner + De Colo + Mills for him.