Is San Antonio poor?

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

Is it true that San Antonio is poor except for Alamo Heights/Olmos Park/terril Hills/Stone Oak?

Aside from those areas, is San Antonio poor?

[Trainwreck2100]

um. oak hills?

[mookie2001]

no

[angel_luv]

no

^ this ^

[Dr. Gonzo]

I'm San Antonio rich, meaning I pay my bills on time.

[tlongII]

Well I know San Antonio is a poor excuse for a basketball team.

[tp2021]

Well I know San Antonio is a poor excuse for a basketball team.

Hows your #1-overall doing?

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

I'm San Antonio rich, meaning I pay my bills on time.
that sounds fitting. i just have heard san antonio was very poor aside from basically the north side of the city meaning outside the 1604 loop and then a small section inside the 410 loop called alamo heights and terril hills.

not saying the rest of the city is 3rd world country type shit but there is a part of san antonio called "third world"

lol

i have never seen a neighborhood called third world but leave it to san antonio to do that shit.

[mookie2001]

you must be pretty dumb

its TERRELL

[Jekka]

There's enough of a middle class in San Antonio for me to consider it not too poor overall, but it's definitely got its share of struggling families and individuals just like any other city. SA's no Elkhart Project or plant town in Ohio - it could be worse.

[lefty]

SA is not poor


San Antonio is fat


FAT !!!!!

[mookie2001]

yeah FATT!

and we get our sons kidnapped and have to demand their return

[TheManFromAcme]

I live in Cibolo just above Northcliffe Golf Course. Just bought a house and it seems that the surrounding area (about a 10 minute mile perimeter) is middle to a little upper middle class.

I do know this; After my transfer from Cali to here my $$ sure goes farther. L.A. definitely has some rat-hole aspects to it just as well.

Overall S.A. is a rather clean, well maintained city. :toast

[Mixability]

There are some areas that look like Mexico..... :(

[boutons_deux]

"The median income for a household in the city is $36,214, and the median income for a family is $53,100. Males have a median income of $30,061 versus $24,444 for females.

The per capita income for the city is $17,487. 17.3% of the population and 14.0% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 24.3% of those under the age of 18 and 13.5% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line."

Austin:

"The median income for a household in the city was $42,689, and the median income for a family was $54,091. Males had a median income of $35,545 vs. $30,046 for females. The per capita income for the city was $24,163. About 9.1% of families and 14.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 16.5% of those under age 18 and 8.7% of those age 65 or over. The median house price was $185,906 in 2009, and it has increased every year since 2003"

... from wikipedia.org for each city.

iow, there is no debate, the numbers speak, SA is a poor city versus Austin. Don't even talk about HOU or DAL.

[DesignatedT]

just stay on the northside... very nice city as long as you dont dip down into far east/west or south side.

[TheManFromAcme]

Go back to California, it's better there.
:wtf

[phxspurfan]

Aren't there areas downtown where they don't even have running water?



I had a mentor who was a SA City Planner and it seemed like it had its share of urban abandonment problems. But those north of the 410 don't care anyway right?

[rjv]

"The median income for a household in the city is $36,214, and the median income for a family is $53,100. Males have a median income of $30,061 versus $24,444 for females.

The per capita income for the city is $17,487. 17.3% of the population and 14.0% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 24.3% of those under the age of 18 and 13.5% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line."

Austin:

"The median income for a household in the city was $42,689, and the median income for a family was $54,091. Males had a median income of $35,545 vs. $30,046 for females. The per capita income for the city was $24,163. About 9.1% of families and 14.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 16.5% of those under age 18 and 8.7% of those age 65 or over. The median house price was $185,906 in 2009, and it has increased every year since 2003"

... from wikipedia.org for each city.

iow, there is no debate, the numbers speak, SA is a poor city versus Austin. Don't even talk about HOU or DAL.

austin is also much more segregated and does a better job of hiding its social inequities (with the exception of its homosexual community, which is not economically challenged).

housing market in austin is a joke as well. too many california transplants have turned austin into the california of texas.

[Sec24Row7]

San Antonio's population doesn't make the income that other populations make but a lot of that is offset by no state income tax and a VERY low cost of living.

Those benefits do not help major sports leagues though... the reason SAT doesn't have a football team is that there isn't enough of a corporate base to buy sky boxes and not enough individuals have the disposable income to buy season tickets.

It's hard for higher end retailers to make it here etc etc...

[coyotes_geek]

austin is also much more segregated and does a better job of hiding its social inequities (with the exception of its homosexual community, which is not economically challenged).

JMO, but in Austin all the social inequities seem to be solely about the economics. I don't think there's really much of a racial component to it. Austin has significant asian and indian populations who tend to be concentrated in the educational and technical fields (i.e. not economically challenged) and as far as I can tell there really isn't a whole lot of tension with them. Again, JMO.


housing market in austin is a joke as well. too many california transplants have turned austin into the california of texas.

Austin housing market is a little unique. There are specific parts of town where the CA transplants were flocking to and now those areas are hurting. (unfortunately i live in one of them) But on the whole the Austin market really isn't that bad thanks to a low (compared to elsewhere) unemployment rate.

[Frenzy]

yeah pretty much,


But I seen some ghetto people in stone oak..don't take much to live there anymore. I saw a house for sale for 275,000.

You can get that any where :wakeup

[EmptyMan]

San Antonio is cheap to live in and there is plenty of opportunity; you do the math.

[blkroadrunners]

We're stingy.

[Ignignokt]

the housing market in Austin is overpriced, and many of those richers aren't wealthy just financially rich on credit.

SO when you figure cost of living.. San Antonio has an equal to or higher standard of living.

[phxspurfan]

the housing market in Austin is overpriced, and many of those richers aren't wealthy just financially rich on credit.

SO when you figure cost of living.. San Antonio has an equal to or higher standard of living.

So if the median income in SA was minimum wage and everyone lived in palm harbor...then it would still be socioec. equal to the average city?

[Kori Ellis]

yeah pretty much,


But I seen some ghetto people in stone oak..don't take much to live there anymore. I saw a house for sale for 275,000.

You can get that any where :wakeup

There are Stone Oak houses for $170K. It's not really a "richer" area. It's nice (though extremely crowded) and there are definitely some expensive houses, but it's not the Dominion or anything.

[TDMVPDPOY]

There are Stone Oak houses for $170K. It's not really a "richer" area. It's nice (though extremely crowded) and there are definitely some expensive houses, but it's not the Dominion or anything.

these new estates you talkin about are they for mainly for the wealthy? or anyone who has money can just move in? u know what im talkin about with new estates that have poor planning only to turn into a ghetto after 5 yrs....

[Kori Ellis]

Oh and I'm not bashing Stone Oak.. I know a lot of people on SpursTalk live there. And the average income of its residents is probably around $100K. Same with Terrell Hills and Alamo Heights. The only areas that are probably higher are Hill Country Village and The Dominion.

[Kori Ellis]

these new estates you talkin about are they for mainly for the wealthy? or anyone who has money can just move in? u know what im talkin about with new estates that have poor planning only to turn into a ghetto after 5 yrs....

Anyone can move to Stone Oak if they can afford it. The area is a little overcrowded to me, but it's not going to get ghetto in five years.

[Kori Ellis]

I think these numbers are from 2000...

The Dominion - $107,999 median household income, $229,424 average household income
Hill County Village - $130,897 median household income
Stone Oak - $92,249 median household income
Terrell Hills - $86,636 median household income
Alamo Heights - $64,688 median household income

[WESTACKED]

the rich can move to wherever they like and live comfortable lives there, even in the most penurious areas there still live some rich people.

[tlongII]

I've always thought mean was a better measure than median.

[MoSpur]

There are some areas that look like Mexico..... :(

Stupid.

You obviously haven't seen all of Mexico. There are areas in Mexico that don't have any type of real plumbing. There are areas where some of the houses are way better than anything here. So, you need to rethink what you posted.

San Antonio is like any other large city in the U.S. There are areas that are bad and areas that are very nice. I wouldn't consider it a poor city overall, but I also wouldn't consider it being rich.

[Jimcs50]

Every major city has poor people, middle class people and rich people....what is the point of this thread?

[MoSpur]

Every major city has poor people, middle class people and rich people....what is the point of this thread?

Exactly!

[mrsmaalox]

Every major city has poor people, middle class people and rich people....what is the point of this thread?

Yes I didn't understand what San Antonio was being compared to, other cities in Texas or the U.S., or the world? And even the comparisons within San Antonio are between neighborhoods, subdivisions and municipalities; doesn't seem very accurate. Most wealth distribution demographics are documented by zip code, as per the IRS, statistically adjusting for variations: http://www.incometaxlist.com/texas-income-tax-by-returns-1.htm
Also this is an interesting site where you can compare wealthiest/poorest zip codes in the country (San Antonio has no entries on either :)) and then break down further by state
http://wealth.mongabay.com/tables/100_income_zip_codes-10000.html

[Blake]

Anyone can move to Stone Oak if they can afford it. The area is a little overcrowded to me, but it's not going to get ghetto in five years.

Other than the Dominion type homes in Sonterra, the great majority of Stone Oak is really nothing special. Most of the homes are simply nice, cookie cutter style subdivision homes you can find on many other sides of town.

[Ignignokt]

So if the median income in SA was minimum wage and everyone lived in palm harbor...then it would still be socioec. equal to the average city?

So you don't think cost of living should factor in to that type of data?

[DesignatedT]

i live in shavano park. to me its the best place to live in san antonio. you have easy access to 1604, i10, 410 and miss out on a lot of that traffic that stone oak area deals with everyday, but still only a 5-10 minute drive to that area if thats where you want to hang out.

[Blake]

i live in shavano park. to me its the best place to live in san antonio. you have easy access to 1604, i10, 410 and miss out on a lot of that traffic that stone oak area deals with everyday, but still only a 5-10 minute drive to that area if thats where you want to hang out.

Definitely a good spot and SP is easily higher end than Stone Oak.

The only thing I hate about SP are the cops.......but I say that about every municipality around SA.

[spursncowboys]

i live in shavano park. to me its the best place to live in san antonio. you have easy access to 1604, i10, 410 and miss out on a lot of that traffic that stone oak area deals with everyday, but still only a 5-10 minute drive to that area if thats where you want to hang out.
The large lots with trees would be why Shavano Park is so appealing to me.

[panic giraffe]

Definitely a good spot and SP is easily higher end than Stone Oak.

The only thing I hate about SP are the cops.......but I say that about every municipality around SA.

the ones around aren't as bad as the ones in. balcones heights, castle hills, alamo heights, peon valley etc...

i'd rather live in a poor city with a low cost of living like sa then a poor city with a high cost of living, think newark nj, oakland, gary ind, or just about any rust belt shitty.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

So, tell me, is the area around the medical centre rich or poor? It seemed somewhere in the middle to me the two times I've stayed there, maybe a bit towards the poorer end.

I took a bus to the city a few times and the inner north part of the city seemed pretty poor. I also once took a bus from the city out into the inner eastside and that area was definitely very poor.

I've been pretty much all over the north and north-west, and that seemed pretty middle class to me.

Haven't been to the south yet - anyone up for taking me down there next time I'm in SA?

Like any city, it all depends where you go.

[mookie2001]

Medical center is shitty, but it's a small area, right near there they ain't hurtin

[Kori Ellis]

The large lots with trees would be why Shavano Park is so appealing to me.

Yeah, that's why I love living in Hill Country Village... no lots less than an acre and tons of trees.

[ploto]

I think these numbers are from 2000...

The Dominion - $107,999 median household income, $229,424 average household income
Hill County Village - $130,897 median household income
Stone Oak - $92,249 median household income
Terrell Hills - $86,636 median household income
Alamo Heights - $64,688 median household income

Shavano Park, TX: Estimated median household income in 2008: $129,349 (it was $108,306 in 2000)

http://www.city-data.com/city/Shavano-Park-Texas.html

I know there was a time that the highest median household income in the area was in Elm Creek, but that was a while back.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Shavano Park, TX: Estimated median household income in 2008: $129,349 (it was $108,306 in 2000)

http://www.city-data.com/city/Shavano-Park-Texas.html

I know there was a time that the highest median household income in the area was in Elm Creek, but that was a while back.

you guys talkin about combined household income, that is 2 working parents right?

[eyeh8u]

I've always thought mean was a better measure than median.

you must suck at statistics then, median helps reduce the effects of outliers, very useful in demographics , also FRF

[TDMVPDPOY]

median or mean doesnt make sense when you have stupid +/- outliers who can affect the range...

[ploto]

you guys talkin about combined household income, that is 2 working parents right?

Well, it's per household but could or could not include 2 workers. Overall, in the US, 42% of households have 2 earners. I would have to do some digging to see if I could find stats on what percentage in specific areas have 2 earners.

[baseline bum]

To channel Patrick Ewing, in San Antonio you don't make a lot of money, but you don't spend a lot of money either. Seriously, the cost of living is great in SA.

[smeagol]

Nah, you need to get out of the US to see poor . . .

[Blake]

I know there was a time that the highest median household income in the area was in Elm Creek, but that was a while back.

there was a time when a few Spurs lived in Elm Creek....not sure about today....

[ploto]

there was a time when a few Spurs lived in Elm Creek....not sure about today....

Even Pop used to live there, but I do not think any of them live there anymore.

[Buddy Holly]

"The median income for a household in the city is $36,214, and the median income for a family is $53,100. Males have a median income of $30,061 versus $24,444 for females.

The per capita income for the city is $17,487. 17.3% of the population and 14.0% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 24.3% of those under the age of 18 and 13.5% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line."

Austin:

"The median income for a household in the city was $42,689, and the median income for a family was $54,091. Males had a median income of $35,545 vs. $30,046 for females. The per capita income for the city was $24,163. About 9.1% of families and 14.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 16.5% of those under age 18 and 8.7% of those age 65 or over. The median house price was $185,906 in 2009, and it has increased every year since 2003"

... from wikipedia.org for each city.

iow, there is no debate, the numbers speak, SA is a poor city versus Austin. Don't even talk about HOU or DAL.

Using 10 year old data. Good job! :lol

[Buddy Holly]

Aren't there areas downtown where they don't even have running water?

What? :lol:rolleyes

[Buddy Holly]

I honestly wonder where the OP lives getting such outrageously wrong information. It's not just stereotypical bullshit, it's straight up inaccurate and made up.

Also, there's more to SA than Stone Oak, Shavano Park, Dominion, Alamo Heights, Terrell Hill, Olmos Park etc when talking about the nice areas.

I honestly never see mentioned Monte Vista, Northwood, Oak Park, Inwood, Deerfield, Schertz, Cibolo, Westover Hills, Alamo Ranch, Sonoma, Redbird Ranch and so much more.

[Buddy Holly]

FYI, the 2008 per capita for SA was the same as Orlando and less than $2,000 of Phoenix.

[boutons_deux]

"Using 10 year old data. Good job"

Do you "think" SA has closed the per capita gap on Austin?

No data from you. Good Job. :lol

[SpursWoman]

We live in Olympia ... and it's really nice. We have running water & electricity and everything!

[smeagol]

I live in Argentina. We have a dirt floor and no Chips Ahoy . . . We still use Commodore 64s . . .

[mookie2001]

en argentina solo tienen esmegma por comida

[mookie2001]

o que se llama, queso de manu

[Buddy Holly]

"Using 10 year old data. Good job"

Do you "think" SA has closed the per capita gap on Austin?

No data from you. Good Job. :lol

LOL, you still used 10 year old data numnuts. :lol

Ps. the claim I made can easily be looked up.

But I doubt you will so here's 2008 metro (a much better measuring comparison than city) per capita.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/general-u-s/314570-us-metro-areas-ranked-per-capita.html

2000 Per Capita for Metro (far right column)

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/lapi/2003/mpi0503.htm

From 2000 to 2008 the SA per capita grew by $6,000

Compare that with the over-hyped college town and yeah, SA closed the gap. :toast

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

is schertz/cibolo & olympia really considered nice? or just average to slighty above average? i dont see any homes over 250k in those areas. armadillo homes and kb homes build in cibolo/schertz now also. those are low class, right?

alamo ranch is right across the street from a mobile home park. i dont know if you can call that nice area when trailers are right across the road. haha

there are maybe like 5-7 ELITE areas of san antonio. stone oak is one of them. dominion another. shavano park. alamo heights. king william. elm creek. hill country village.

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The Black Man was created by God

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[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

Buddy Holly drops stats and figures. He knows this city pretty well, I gather. Thanks for the knowledge my man.

[Buddy Holly]

is schertz/cibolo & olympia really considered nice? or just average to slighty above average? i dont see any homes over 250k in those areas. armadillo homes and kb homes build in cibolo/schertz now also. those are low class, right?

Schertz, Cibolo are actual towns, Olympia is a subdivision in Universal City.

Yes, all three are nice.


alamo ranch is right across the street from a mobile home park. i dont know if you can call that nice area when trailers are right across the road. haha

That trailer park has been there for 20+ years. When there was only a high school and that trailer park off Culebra Rd. past 1604. Have you been to that area today?

There's almost 2 million sq ft of retail at the intersection of 1604 and Culebra. There's the aforementioned Alamo Ranch, a huge master planned subdivision for the middle to upper middle class. There's a really nice really new subdivision called Stillwater Ranch that's about three miles outside of 1604 on Culebra.


there are maybe like 5-7 ELITE areas of san antonio. stone oak is one of them. dominion another. shavano park. alamo heights. king william. elm creek. hill country village.

I'd say there's more than 5-7 "Elite" places in SA. You're forgetting places like Hollywood Park, Olmos Park, Terrell Hills, Monte Vista, Anaqua Springs, Lincoln Park.

However, my list was for "nice" areas not just "elite."

[Buddy Holly]

Buddy Holly drops stats and figures. He knows this city pretty well, I gather. Thanks for the knowledge my man.

No problem.

Drop by my site, www.sametrodaily.com if you're interested in SA news.

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

Thanks for the information bud holly! i drove thru Schertz last week, it seemed nice. was not aware it was an actual city,i thought it was just san antonio.

i heard about still water ranch. i heard it was going to be upscale.

anaqua springs is indeed nice. i hear spurs coach pop lives there along with tony parker and eva longoria.

[Buddy Holly]

Thanks for the information bud holly! i drove thru Schertz last week, it seemed nice. was not aware it was an actual city,i thought it was just san antonio.

i heard about still water ranch. i heard it was going to be upscale.

anaqua springs is indeed nice. i hear spurs coach pop lives there along with tony parker and eva longoria.

Yes, Schertz is its own city. I don't know why I called it a town before, it has a population of over 40,000 people. Up from 18,000 in 2000.

http://www.schertz.com

Cibolo has a population today of about 20,000. Up from 3,000 in 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cibolo,_Texas

As for Anaqua Springs, well, I know Tony and Eva built a place out there. Josh Beckett of the Red Sox makes his home there as well. I'm not sure about Pop.

[Buddy Holly]

FYI, Stone Oak is exactly what you that Schertz was. It's not its own municipality, it's a subdivision and actually most of what people think is Stone Oak isn't Stone Oak but other subdivisions that get lumped in with the Stone Oak name.

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

Damn!!!
So Schertz is legit. Majorly legit.
They have got to be the biggest suburb of San Antonio.
That Schertz/Cibolo/New Braunfels area is indeed nice. Not really, "elte" but it seems like lots of families live there and it is above average.

after driving thru san antonio, its not really poor like i had heard. there are some nice places, some not so nice places.

the worst rumor had to be the west side. far west side.

i was told the entire west side including the far west side outside the 1604 loop was bad and dangerous.

im talking about potranco rd/the 1604 loop;

culebra rd/1604 loop,

151/1604,

Red Bird Ranch area, and Bandera/1604 Loop

Those areas are not bad at all really in terms of danger. especially not the bandera/1604 loop area.

crowded?yes
dangerous?nah

[SpursWoman]

is schertz/cibolo & olympia really considered nice? or just average to slighty above average? i dont see any homes over 250k in those areas.

In Olympia at least, there are homes $250K up to over $1M by the Country Club/golf course.

But yeah, technically it's Universal City.

*shrugs*

Still not sure why any of this matters.

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[Buddy Holly]

Damn!!!
So Schertz is legit. Majorly legit.
They have got to be the biggest suburb of San Antonio.
That Schertz/Cibolo/New Braunfels area is indeed nice. Not really, "elte" but it seems like lots of families live there and it is above average.

Actually, New Braunfels is the biggest suburb and actually the metro area is now officially known as San Antonio-New Braunfels MSA and no longer just San Antonio MSA.

Schertz is actually the second largest and will soon pass New Braunfels in size at the rate it's growing.


after driving thru san antonio, its not really poor like i had heard. there are some nice places, some not so nice places.


Like most/all major cities.


the worst rumor had to be the west side. far west side.

i was told the entire west side including the far west side outside the 1604 loop was bad and dangerous.

im talking about potranco rd/the 1604 loop;

culebra rd/1604 loop,

151/1604,

Red Bird Ranch area, and Bandera/1604 Loop

Those areas are not bad at all really in terms of danger. especially not the bandera/1604 loop area.

crowded?yes
dangerous?nah

Again I ask, where do you live and who told you this bs?

The near west side isn't so much dangerous as it is just really poor. That area is just poverty stricken like a bitch. And the stigma with poor areas is that there super dangerous.

However, the far west side isn't even close to being poor nor dangerous. The only real problem that area has is tagging but chalk that up to sorry ass youth with nothing better to do.

It's a great place for the middle class especially the military personnel whom have a large presence on the far west side.

Construction will soon begin to expand Potranco Rd. from 1604 out to 211 from the narrow road it is now to a 6 lane street with a median, sidewalks and bike paths.

Also, Westover Hills is in the far west side.

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

Lived in Houston.
Moved to San Antonio 2 weeks ago.

So far, San Antonio>Houston>Dallas>Austin>Corpus Christi>rest of Texas

[Buddy Holly]

Lived in Houston.
Moved to San Antonio 2 weeks ago.

So far, San Antonio>Houston>Dallas>Austin>Corpus Christi>rest of Texas

Glad you're enjoying SA. Now just inform the people back in Houston that they were completely ass backwards in regards to how they described SA. :toast

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

I think people in Houston were just saying this negative crap about San Antonio because they are afraid to admit that South Texas has a rising superstar of a city in San Antonio..

Cant say I blame them, if I were falling down(and fast) I would not want others to know the truth also.

San Antonio has great stuff and unlimited potential.

The thing that needs to be here right now is more public transit. Light Rail would be amazing!

[Buddy Holly]

I think people in Houston were just saying this negative crap about San Antonio because they are afraid to admit that South Texas has a rising superstar of a city in San Antonio..

Cant say I blame them, if I were falling down(and fast) I would not want others to know the truth also.

San Antonio has great stuff and unlimited potential.

The thing that needs to be here right now is more public transit. Light Rail would be amazing!

Well, you're in luck as SA is making great strides and in the future should have probably the best and most comprehensive mass transit system in Texas as we will have buses (which we have now), bus rapid, light rail and street cars.

Our Mayor wants modern streetcar downtown by 2014.

Check out:

www.smartwaysa.com

[Buddy Holly]

Our streetcar will look very similar to this:

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6984/passengerrailspectrummo.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1568/portlandstreetcar1.jpg

Our Bus Rapid Transit will look very similar to this:

http://www.buszone.co.uk/Streetcar%5E061005_02.jpg

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

Thats outstanding!\

If San Antonio can get light rain to connect to major areas like New Braunfels/Schertz/Stone Oak/Med Center/Broadway - UIW/Downtown-SAC/South Town/Ingram/Fredericksbug Rd , then the city will become more efficient and more attractive to major businesses that would want to post up in San Antonio.

Looks like San Antonio is on the right track so far.

[Buddy Holly]

I was able to find it!

Here is the VIA Bus Rapid Transit bus.

http://www.zanegarway.com/images/cp/busrapidtransit.jpg

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

Thats awesome. The sooner it happens, the better.

[Buddy Holly]

Here are the Streetcar lines.

A north to south line that will connect the Witte Museum to Southtown.

http://i40.tinypic.com/16aelh3.png

A east-west line that will connect Our Lady of the Lake University on the west side with the at&t center on the east side.

http://i43.tinypic.com/r2rw4w.png

[eyeh8u]

median or mean doesnt make sense when you have stupid +/- outliers who can affect the range...

wtf are you talking about, median takes account of outliers and is much much less effected by them.

[ploto]

The light rail is nice in Houston and Dallas. It is only truthful to admit that SA is behind the times.

[CubanMustGo]

I do love how basically NOBODY has mentioned a thing about SA south of I-10. Talk all you want about your fancy neighborhoods on the north side, there are plenty of places where you people wouldn't be caught after dark (and rarely during the day). I still have family over there, yes, it's POOR, it's full of crime, and there is gang shit and graffiti everywhere.

But that's OK, keep talking about Stone Oak, the Dominion, etc. and doing what San Antonians do best, ignore the older parts of town and talk about all the newer areas N and NW halfway to Boerne.

[Buddy Holly]

I do love how basically NOBODY has mentioned a thing about SA south of I-10. Talk all you want about your fancy neighborhoods on the north side, there are plenty of places where you people wouldn't be caught after dark (and rarely during the day). I still have family over there, yes, it's POOR, it's full of crime, and there is gang shit and graffiti everywhere.

What's poor, full of crime and gang shit and tagging everywhere? The areas south of 10 and 90? Well sure, there a fair share of that but it's still a complete generalization full of hyperbole. I live on the southeast side and have seen it grow tremendously in the last five years. Heck, the gold's gym I go to is the most profitable Gold's in the city.

But like any area in any city that is lower in the socio-economic bracket there's going to be more crime, gangs and tagging, that's not unique to SA. But there are nice areas south of 10/90. Believe me.


But that's OK, keep talking about Stone Oak, the Dominion, etc. and doing what San Antonians do best, ignore the older parts of town and talk about all the newer areas N and NW halfway to Boerne.

Kid, I live on the southeast of the city, I rep this place, I know this area. There are nice areas on the southeast side. There are older areas on the southeast side with nice homes like the Sunny Slope area and portions of Highland Park.

There are newer areas that are nice as well, that being near Brooks City-Base with the newer nicer areas being east of 37.

The reason the areas south of 10 don't get much mention is that a) there generally much older and generational b) it's a much smaller area in comparison to the rest of San Antonio especially compared to the rest of SA. By that I mean, the south side in terms of residential/urban development barely reaches 410 while almost everything north of I10/90 not only reaches 410 but continues past 410 to 1604 and in many cases past 1604.

[Buddy Holly]

Thats awesome. The sooner it happens, the better.

Well, BRT is already under construction and street car should hopefully be up by 2014.

Light rail by 2020 I believe if everything goes to plan.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Well, BRT is already under construction and street car should hopefully be up by 2014.

Light rail by 2020 I believe if everything goes to plan.

lol light rail...sucks ass trust me, just ask ruff what he thinks of his home states public rail/transport system...no new shit or anything upgraded, just try and pack everyone into a box like sardines...

[timvp]

I don't let Kori go south of Hildebrand.

[Buddy Holly]

I don't let Kori go south of Hildebrand.

:lol

[boutons_deux]

Public transport is socialism. In SA, it's reparations for slavery, and for stealing the western US from Spain. :)