GSW vs PHX, Tune in for Offensive Firework!

[noob cake]

What an exciting game, love watching GSW and Nash's krew.

[Xylus]

I hate Suns-Warriors games. The Suns always revert back to their outscore-the-opponent-but-play-no-defense approach to winning.

[phxspurfan]

Tolliver is ballin!

[Chieflion]

Reggie Williams is on fire!!!!!!!!!!! Amare Stoudemire with the facial!!!!!!!!!

[Red Hawk #21]

Reggie williams is lighting up!

[picc84]

Holy fucking shit, Amare. :wow

[Red Hawk #21]

Amare dunk of the year!!

[Red Hawk #21]

Is everyone asleep because this game is fucking great!

[phxspurfan]

Dipset I won't lie that was spicy no homo

[picc84]

I wouldn't even come back to the court if I was that guy. It looked like as soon as he jumped to block it Amare used his hope to elevate himself even higher. Pure punishment.

[Red Hawk #21]

Tolliver just cant guard Amare, game over.

[Chieflion]

Amare putting this game away.

[Xylus]

Amare Stoudemire, I love you.

[NBAfan83]

wow imagine if this amare went to cleveland...

[Xylus]

Seriously one of the best dunks I've seen all year. That was absolutely BRUTAL.

[picc84]

Still, Amare wouldn't be nearly this good if he didn't have Nash spoon-feeding him.

[N4th4n]

Good to see that Golden State doesn't double Amare, and he scores at will on them.

You watching the game? They send a double almost every time. He either passes out or re-posts.

[Darthkiller]

lmao nash what was that

[Red Hawk #21]

This game is further proof that Don Nelson defense is non-existent, Amare continuously punished Tolliver and Nellie didn't even change the defensive scheme on him. Sad. Good win by the Suns.

[Xylus]

Still, Amare wouldn't be nearly this good if he didn't have Nash spoon-feeding him.

Don't go there. :lol DOK and I have our fazers set to kill.

[Red Hawk #21]

Amare just saved Grant Hill from choking lol

[Jeremy]

Amare saves the day AGAIN!

[Red Hawk #21]

Wow, Suns are not closing this game well.

[Chieflion]

Jason Richardson is one big dumb motherfucker.

[picc84]

I feel an OT coming.

[noob cake]

Only the Warriors can sign a D-leaguer and have him drop 30 pts the same night.

[picc84]

I could drop 30 in the warriors offense.

[Red Hawk #21]

WTF's up with Hills freethrows?

[Xylus]

Unbelievable. Hit your goddamn free throws.

[Chieflion]

Grant Hill is one big choker.

[Xylus]

Hill is an 85% free shooter. What the fuck is going on?

[lurker]

GS fans getting to Nash and Hill? Damn.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Grant Hill must have had a lot of fun missing those free throws. Fuck him and Nash. Great game Amare, way to carry those two has been losers.

[JamStone]

Was it DoK before the season started who said that Stephen Curry wouldn't be able to do shit at the NBA level, even score? Something along those lines I believe. Still has had his share of rookie growing pains and Don Nelson's open style does allow for easier scoring opportunities. But I think Curry has proven he more than belongs in the league. I really do see a lot of those similarities with Steve Nash in his game.

[Xylus]

Dudley is clutch as hell.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Was it DoK before the season started who said that Stephen Curry wouldn't be able to do shit at the NBA level, even score? Something along those lines I believe. Still has had his share of rookie growing pains and Don Nelson's open style does allow for easier scoring opportunities. But I think Curry has proven he more than belongs in the league. I really do see a lot of those similarities with Steve Nash in his game.


I've admitted before I was wrong about him. Old news.

[Red Hawk #21]

Grant Hill tried his hardest to choke this game away, four consecutive missed freethrows. Damn. Is that Grant Hill out there or Nick Anderson?

[lurker]

lol Warriors.

[lurker]

lol Nash. This is the weirdest game of the season by far.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Fuck you Nash.

[JamStone]

I've admitted before I was wrong about him. Old news.

My bad. I don't read every thread and every post. And I haven't seen you post about him.

[Red Hawk #21]

I've admitted before I was wrong about him. Old news.

I never understood why you felt that way about him though, everyone could see that kid's potential. Well, like you said its old news.

[picc84]

Goddamnit, somebody finally fouls before a 3 pointer and it ruins a potentially epic overtime game.

lol Monta accidentally draining it

[Red Hawk #21]

Why are the Suns trying so hard to lose?

[Chieflion]

I see Monta Ellis is one dumbfuck.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Why are Nash and Hill trying so hard to lose?

fify

Because it's fun.

[Xylus]

I haven't been this frustrated at a game in a long time.

[noob cake]

PHX vs GSW on ESPN = Rating Gold

Such amazing games

[Red Hawk #21]

This game should have been over a very long time ago...

[lurker]

lol Amare.

Aww, man, I wanted OT.

[picc84]

Suns wanted to lose, Monta just wanted it more. Sometimes it comes down to that.

[Red Hawk #21]

If the Suns would have lost this game, I can't even imagine the reaction...

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If the Suns would have lost this game, I can't even imagine the reaction...


I would have run my head through a glass window.

[N4th4n]

They let him go one on one against Tolliver who abused him on two straight plays.

They SENT a double.... Amare passed out to Nash... the double team left... Nash re-posted Amare.... then he had the 1v1.

[picc84]

If the Suns would have lost this game, I can't even imagine the reaction...

Nash wouldn't let them lose. He just made the plays he was supposed to make.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Nash wouldn't let them lose. He just made the plays he was supposed to make.


Nash is pissed off right now because getting the win wasn't fun at all. He did everything he could to come through and deliver a loss and Amare threw it all away for a win.

[Red Hawk #21]

Nash wouldn't let them lose. He just made the plays he was supposed to make.

It sure didn't look that way to me, if that game would have gone into OT there's no doubt in my mind that the Warriors steal the win. But good win for the Suns though, they have to finish games better in the future though.

[picc84]

:lol Sons if it wasn't for Steve Nash the GS Warriors would have blown this game wide open. Amare had a nice dunk and all but he should be thanking his lucky stars Nash is there to make the plays for him and take the game over when it gets down to crunchtime.

Amare owes 60% of his production and 100% of his fun to the two-time MVP teammate.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:lol Sons if it wasn't for Steve Nash the GS Warriors would have blown this game wide open. Amare had a nice dunk and all but he should be thanking his lucky stars Nash is there to make the plays for him and take the game over when it gets down to crunchtime.

Amare owes 60% of his production and 100% of his fun to the two-time MVP teammate.


You're a fuckin idiot.

EDIT: the post was a joke, makes much more sense.

[Chieflion]

picc84 just trolling the Suns fans he is supposed to troll.

[Xylus]

:lol Sons if it wasn't for Steve Nash the GS Warriors would have blown this game wide open. Amare had a nice dunk and all but he should be thanking his lucky stars Nash is there to make the plays for him and take the game over when it gets down to crunchtime.

Amare owes 60% of his production and 100% of his fun to the two-time MVP teammate.

Seriously, you better be joking.

[Red Hawk #21]

:lol Sons if it wasn't for Steve Nash the GS Warriors would have blown this game wide open. Amare had a nice dunk and all but he should be thanking his lucky stars Nash is there to make the plays for him and take the game over when it gets down to crunchtime.

Amare owes 60% of his production and 100% of his fun to the two-time MVP teammate.

I find it sad that folks are trying to discredit Amare by saying that his production comes from Nash. Yes, usually in general it does but tonight that was not the case. Amare was simply manhandling Tolliver down in the post. Amare won that game tonight for the Warriors with his scoring. He also grabbed a huge offensive rebound when Grant Hill choked on freethrows.

[picc84]

Great pic of the dunk by Stat on Tolliver.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4079/sickdunk.png

Damn, looks like Amare mummified dude. :lol

[picc84]

I find it sad that folks are trying to discredit Amare by saying that his production comes from Nash. Yes, usually in general it does but tonight that was not the case. Amare was simply manhandling Tolliver down in the post. Amare won that game tonight for the Warriors with his scoring. He also grabbed a huge offensive rebound when Grant Hill choked on freethrows.

Look, I said it was a nice dunk, what more do you want? Sad how people want to downplay the contributions of a two-time MVP and floor general like Steve Nash. If it wasn't for him setting his teammates up with easy looks and running the PnR to perfection for Amare tonight Phoenix fans would not be sleeping easy.

Give some credit where its due and stop trying to minimize his impact on Amare's game.

[Red Hawk #21]

Look, I said it was a nice dunk, what more do you want? Sad how people want to downplay the contributions of a two-time MVP and floor general like Steve Nash. If it wasn't for him setting his teammates up with easy looks and running the PnR to perfection for Amare tonight Phoenix fans would not be sleeping easy.

Give some credit where its due and stop trying to minimize his impact on Amare's game.

:rollin I've come to the conclusion that you're just joking and getting a kick out of this. Fuck it, I'm going to bed I have class at 8am lol.

[Dunc n Dave]

You'll see next year when Amare leaves just how much he relies on Nash (or a similar All Star passing PG). I can't see him averaging over 19ppg, and 8 rebs on a team with a shoot-first PG. Nash inflates Amare's numbers; without Nash he's on the level of a Josh Smith or Anthony Randolph: freakishly athletic but can't create his own shot, not all that great with his back to the basket.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You'll see next year when Amare leaves just how much he relies on Nash (or a similar All Star passing PG). I can't see him averaging over 19ppg, and 8 rebs on a team with a shoot-first PG. Nash inflates Amare's numbers; without Nash he's on the level of a Josh Smith or Anthony Randolph: freakishly athletic but can't create his own shot, not all that great with his back to the basket.


In Amare's sophomore season he averaged 20 points and 9 rebounds with the aborted fetus of Stephon Marbury and Leandro Barbosa at point guard. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

[HarlemHeat37]

You'll see next year when Amare leaves just how much he relies on Nash (or a similar All Star passing PG). I can't see him averaging over 19ppg, and 8 rebs on a team with a shoot-first PG. Nash inflates Amare's numbers; without Nash he's on the level of a Josh Smith or Anthony Randolph: freakishly athletic but can't create his own shot, not all that great with his back to the basket.

:rollin

[Dunc n Dave]

In Amare's sophomore season he averaged 20 points and 9 rebounds with the aborted fetus of Stephon Marbury and Leandro Barbosa at point guard. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Marbury was traded that year early in the season to New York. Even though he was known as a ball hog throughout his career, he still averaged 8.8 assists per game that year. In contrast, Jason Kidd led the league in assists that year with 9.2 a game...

Even under Marbury, he was spoon fed by one of the top assist guys in the league. The Suns have been blessed with Top PG play for many years. And look at what happened to Amare's FG% after Nash came back to town. It jumped nearly 10% points from 47 to 56%. Nash has made Amare a superstar.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Marbury was traded that year early in the season to New York. Even though he was known as a ball hog throughout his career, he still averaged 8.8 assists per game that year. In contrast, Jason Kidd led the league in assists that year with 9.2 a game...

Even under Marbury, he was spoon fed by one of the top assist guys in the league. The Suns have been blessed with Top PG play for many years. And look at what happened to Amare's FG% after Nash came back to town. It jumped nearly 10% points from 47 to 56%. Nash has made Amare a superstar.

So how do you account for the fact Amare, that sophomore season, averaged 24.5 points and 10.0 rebounds post AS break, when neither Nash nor Marbury (who you seem to think is a great passer) were dishing assists to him? Are you gonna try to tell me Barbosa is a great passer? If you knew what the fuck you were talking about, you would know Amare's numbers went up after the Marbury trade that season because he played better without a PG who dominates the ball.

You should just stop since you're already grasping at straws. Explain how in the game Nash missed this year Amare dropped 30 on one of the best defensive teams in the league (OKC)? Was Nash spoon feeding him passes from his couch in Phoenix?

[Dunc n Dave]

So how do you account for the fact Amare, that sophomore season, averaged 24.5 points and 10.0 rebounds post AS break, when neither Nash nor Marbury (who you seem to think is a great passer) were dishing assists to him? Are you gonna try to tell me Barbosa is a great passer? If you knew what the fuck you were talking about, you would know Amare's numbers went up after the Marbury trade that season because he played better without a PG who dominates the ball.

You should just stop since you're already grasping at straws. Explain how in the game Nash missed this year Amare dropped 30 on one of the best defensive teams in the league (OKC)? Was Nash spoon feeding him passes from his couch in Phoenix?

:rolleyes Please... Dejuan Blair (all 6'7" of him) went for 28 points and 21 rebounds IN OKC this year? Does that make him a superstar, capable of creating his own shot at will too? OKC plays good D, but their are Charmin soft in the middle... You're the one grasping for straws now.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:rolleyes Please... Dejuan Blair (all 6'7" of him) went for 28 points and 21 rebounds IN OKC this year? Does that make him a superstar, capable of creating his own shot at will too? OKC plays good D, but their are Charmin soft in the middle... You're the one grasping for straws now.


That's the only part of my post you felt like responding to?

[Dunc n Dave]

That's the only part of my post you felt like responding to?

What else is there to respond to?
Marbury was 2nd in the league in assists per game that year. Despite his recent head-case antics, the rest of the league (and the stats) would qualify him as a "good passer" in 03-04.

What? No rebuttal to a rookie Dejuan Blair scoring 2 points less than Stoudemire (and a ton more rebounds) against the "awesome defense" of OKC in their building? Guess he'll be giving Shaq a run for his $ now as the self-proclaimed most dominant big man ever, since he scored 30 vs Nenad Kristic?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What else is there to respond to?
Marbury was 2nd in the league in assists per game that year. Despite his recent head-case antics, the rest of the league (and the stats) would qualify him as a "good passer" in 03-04.


I already showed you that Amare's numbers went up after Marbury was traded. His post AS break numbers that year (all of which with barbosa at PG) were noticeably better than his pre AS break numbers. If his 2003-2004 season was so dependent on the 34 games Marbury played prior to his trade, explain how Amare's numbers got better after the trade?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What? No rebuttal to a rookie Dejuan Blair scoring 2 points less than Stoudemire (and a ton more rebounds) against the "awesome defense" of OKC in their building? Guess he'll be giving Shaq a run for his $ now as the self-proclaimed most dominant big man ever, since he scored 30 vs Nenad Kristic?



What? No rebuttal to a rookie Dejuan Blair scoring 2 points less than Stoudemire (and a ton more rebounds) against the "awesome defense" of OKC in their building? Guess he'll be giving Shaq a run for his $ now as the self-proclaimed most dominant big man ever, since he scored 30 vs Nenad Kristic?


OKC has the 7th best defensive rating in the NBA, and just last night shut Duncan down. Dejuan Blair presents a mis match for OKC because no big on that team is strong enough to establish position on the guy and box him out. Here are Dejuan Blair's scores in that game's play by play

1st quarter:
11:36DeJuan Blair offensive rebound
11:33DeJuan Blair makes two point shot

10:26DeJuan Blair makes tip shot
10:26DeJuan Blair offensive rebound

8:37DeJuan Blair offensive rebound
8:36DeJuan Blair makes tip shot

8:10DeJuan Blair makes free throw 1 of 2
8:10DeJuan Blair makes free throw 2 of 2

6:18DeJuan Blair offensive rebound
6:16DeJuan Blair makes two point shot

3:02DeJuan Blair makes layup (Tony Parker assists)


2nd quarter:4:03DeJuan Blair offensive rebound
4:03Dejuan Blair fouled
4:03DeJuan Blair makes free throw 1 of 2
4:03DeJuan Blair makes free throw 2 of 2

2:01DeJuan Blair makes layup (Tony Parker assists)

1:28DeJuan Blair makes tip shot
1:28DeJuan Blair offensive rebound


3rd quarter:
6:48DeJuan Blair makes layup (Roger Mason assists)

5:11San Antonio offensive rebound
5:11Dejuan Blair fouled
5:11DeJuan Blair makes free throw 1 of 2


4th quarter:
7:05DeJuan Blair makes dunk (Manu Ginobili assist)

6:31DeJuan Blair makes dunk (Manu Ginobili assists)

4:41DeJuan Blair makes layup


Overtime:
3:21DeJuan Blair makes free throw 1 of 2


Dejuan Blair had 13 of his 28 points come off 2nd chance points he got because no one on OKC is big enough to box him out. 8 of his other 15 points came off Parker and Ginobili drawing attention away from him because the other team views them as bigger threats. Chances are Roger Mason didn't create a shot for Blair and Blair did plenty to get that shot himself.


Here is Amare's play by play against OKC without Nash:

1st quarter:
7:28Amare Stoudemire makes two point shot
7:28Amare Stoudemire offensive rebound

6:30Amare Stoudemire makes dunk (Jason Richardson assists)

5:41Amare Stoudemire makes dunk (Goran Dragic assists)

4:37Amare Stoudemire makes free throw 2 of 2

2:04Amare Stoudemire makes 15-foot jumper (Goran Dragic assists)

0:33Amare Stoudemire makes hook shot


2nd quarter:
2:32Amare Stoudemire makes 5-foot jumper (Louis Amundson assists)

1:14Amare Stoudemire makes 17-foot jumper (Jared Dudley assists)

3rd quarter:
10:57Amare Stoudemire makes dunk (Goran Dragic assists)

9:47Amare Stoudemire makes free throw 1 of 2
9:47Amare Stoudemire makes free throw 2 of 2

3:30Amare Stoudemire makes free throw 1 of 2
3:30Amare Stoudemire makes free throw 2 of 2

2:51Amare Stoudemire makes two point shot


4th quarter:
2:40Amare Stoudemire makes dunk (Goran Dragic assists)

1:53Amare Stoudemire makes layup (Goran Dragic assists)

1:00Amare Stoudemire makes driving layup
1:00Amare fouled
1:00Amare Stoudemire makes free throw 1 of 1


Given that Amare still had tons of success running the pick and roll with Dragic instead of Nash and that only 2 of his 30 points came off an offensive rebound he got, I'd say your comparison was pretty retarded.

[Dunc n Dave]

Explain how Amare's numbers got better after the trade?

Simple... Somebody had to make up for the 20.8ppg and 18 FGA per game they lost when the Suns traded Marbury and it wasn't gonna be Howard Eisley or Charlie Ward...

The Suns coaches changed their philosophy to try to develop Amare after the alpha dog Marbury was gone, to see what they had. They knew Marion wasn't gonna be able to pick up the slack (too soft and needs a running PG to thrive) and Joe Johnson wasn't ready for the role yet either, so they force fed Amare and it blew up in their faces. The Suns went 10-17 after the All Star break and Amare averaged 4.85 turnovers in April (taking 20 FGA per game, 2 more than ball hog Marbury took) as their #1 option. Show me another "star" post player who has averaged that many turnovers in a month. Yeah, his scoring went up after Marbury left, because he took Marbury's role as the stat whore, hence the irony in the nickname for himself... but his team lost because of his turnovers and selfishness. The same thing that Marbury got shipped out of town for. Way to make your team and/or teammates better, STAT....

[pauls931]

This sux... I was expecting a high score, but Pho to win by double digits.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Suns coaches changed their philosophy to try to develop Amare after the alpha dog Marbury was gone, to see what they had.

They changed their philosophy because the team was going nowhere and figured why not give Amare more touches to give him experience. Giving Amare more touches that season wasn't so they could win games. It's not like they expected Amare in his 2nd year to carry the team to a championship, or be any good at all for that matter. The goal was to develop Amare.



They knew Marion wasn't gonna be able to pick up the slack (too soft and needs a running PG to thrive) and Joe Johnson wasn't ready for the role yet either, so they force fed Amare and it blew up in their faces.

Marion attempted more shots than Amare that season and Joe Johnson attempted the same amount of shots. They didn't "force feed" Amare, and the goal wasn't to win games. The goal was to develop those players. It was obvious that once they traded Marbury they were planning for the future and planned on it being a rebuilding season.



The Suns went 10-17 after the All Star break and

Neat, they went 10-17 after the all star break, an they went 19-36 before the all star break, I have no idea what your point is. They were a young rebuilding team that had no intention of winning games.



Amare averaged 4.85 turnovers in April (taking 20 FGA per game, 2 more than ball hog Marbury took) as their #1 option. Show me another "star" post player who has averaged that many turnovers in a month.

It was Amare's 2nd season. Shit like turnovers and mistakes are gonna happen. But just for the hell of it, Dwight Howard in his 3rd season averaged 4.69 turnovers in February who like Amare was on a team that wasn't in win now mode and wanted him to have touches in the post and go through growing pains such as turnovers. In both situations it was a young player who wasn't expected to win games or make his teammates better and there was an understanding that the player would have some ugly touches and do some stupid things.


Yeah, his scoring went up after Marbury left, because he took Marbury's role as the stat whore, hence the irony in the nickname for himself... but his team lost because of his turnovers and selfishness. The same thing that Marbury got shipped out of town for. Way to make your team and/or teammates better, STAT....

His team lost because it was a young team that was in a rebuilding year. Blaming Amare for the Suns only winning 29 games that year is the equivalent of blaming Kevin Durant for the Thunder only winning 23 games in his 2nd season because he had a month when he averaged 3.79, but given your frontal lobe damage you'd probably do that.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Suns have been blessed with Top PG play for many years.


The fact you describe Stephon Marbury as "top PG play" probably makes your mother remember how much meth she did when she was pregnant with you.