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Darthkiller
03-25-2010, 10:27 AM
on espn nba page, there are a group of insider articles about which vets should rookies study, can someone post them here plz. :toast:toast

SenorSpur
03-25-2010, 10:57 AM
Kobe and Duncan... nuff said.

:toast

Darthkiller
03-25-2010, 11:13 AM
Kobe and Duncan... nuff said.

by looking at the photo , it's more like jennings -mr. bigshot , curry-mvsteve, evans- lebronze.

mogrovejo
03-25-2010, 11:23 AM
Tyreke Evans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3983)
Sacramento Kings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sac)

LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966)
Cleveland Cavaliers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cle)No, Evans is not close to James in terms of talent -- who is? -- but they have a couple of things in common: (1) They both are big for their respective positions, and (2) they both have the ball in their hands all the time. This is where studying James can pay huge dividends for Evans and the Kings.
Right now when Evans dribbles, he's usually searching out ways to score himself. When James has the ball, however, he's looking for angles to help the Cavs score. This doesn't mean Evans is selfish; he's just young.
Evans must learn that by hunting the best shot for his team, he'll actually get better shots for himself. That's because help defenders will be slower to find him when forced to stay home and cover their own man or area. After all, James leads the league in scoring partially because defenders know he is more than willing to find the open man. So LeBron's teammates love playing with him even though he scores so much. If the Kings can learn to love playing with Evans in the same way, they'll become a much more dangerous team.



Stephen Curry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3975)
Golden State Warriors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=gsw)

Steve Nash (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=592)
Phoenix Suns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=pho)
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There is some irony to Nash's game, in that he might be the best shooter to ever play the game, yet he is most known for his passing talents and overall ability to run a team. I think Curry can be more like Nash than anyone we've ever seen.
What makes Nash so amazing is his ability to think "pass first" while always maintaining his edge as a scorer; otherwise, defenders could play him for the pass and make him less effective as a scorer because of it. This is the essence of what Curry needs to master. He's always going to be a strong scorer and a great shooter, yet he has the ability to be a fun guy to play with thanks to his vision and intelligence in reading defenders. Balancing those two things is tough, though. Nash helps himself a lot by doing things on and off the court to show his teammates that he's thinking of them. So when he scores 30 points in a game, his teammates will know he did it because the defense forced him to and not for selfish reasons. He'll also be sure to hand out lots of assists in the next game or two (check out [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=592"]his game log (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=pho); it's astounding).
Curry will be toughest to guard when he's thinking "score" and "pass" simultaneously, basically reading the defense while prepared to do either. Sometimes, Nash will pass even if shooting is the better choice, because this is a team game and a point guard often must sacrifice something for the long-term mental health of the team. It's a lesson that would benefit Curry a great deal.


Darren Collison (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3973)
New Orleans Hornets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=nor)

Chris Paul (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2779)
New Orleans Hornets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=nor)
Collison came into the league ready to play in many respects. I've noticed that UCLA point guards generally know how to control tempo and rarely play too fast. But what happens when the team's best style of play is fast? Well, Collison's high turnover rate -- currently tied for 58th out of 66 players among point guards -- suggests he still has a lot to learn.
Fortunately for Collison, his teammate is Chris Paul, who is the master at controlling a game, whether it's fast or slow. Paul rarely dribbles at full speed when leading the break. Rather, he pushes at a good pace while constantly reading the action -- something that's hard to do when running at top speed.
Here is the analogy I use when teaching young NBA players about playing fast: Imagine driving on a freeway knowing you have to exit soon but you're unsure of where that exit is. Do you drive in the left lane at 90 mph? Or do you stay in the middle lane and drive at the speed limit so you have both the time and ability to change lanes smoothly once you see which side the exit is on? It's a lesson that will serve Collison well, and Professor Paul is the man best suited to teach him.



Brandon Jennings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3997)
Milwaukee Bucks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mil)

Chauncey Billups (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=63)
Denver Nuggets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=den)
These guys do not have similar games, obviously. But playing point guard in the NBA is as cerebral as it is physical. Here is where I see some real potential in Jennings. He has the stuff to be an outstanding leader, if he so chooses.
Billups is the true master of the court, and he carries himself as such at all times, from practices to games. Although he is bigger than Jennings, it's not size that establishes leadership; it's having the will to do what is necessary for the ballclub. Jennings has the inner confidence and the game to control a team and the court. It also helps that his coach believes in him.
Few rookie point guards help lead their teams to the playoffs, so if the Bucks can maintain their current level of play, Jennings will have earned enormous credit. And he can use that credit to take his leadership level to new heights, just as Billups did when he first led the Pistons to the title in 2004.


Ty Lawson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=4000)
Denver Nuggets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=den)

Andre Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=557)
Portland Trail Blazers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=por)Lawson, like Hornets rookie Marcus Thornton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=4017), is already a pretty complete NBA player. But I think he can learn from Miller, who once ran Denver's offense to perfection. Miller is still perhaps the best hit-ahead passer in basketball and an expert at using his body to create scoring or passing angles. Lawson might be smaller, but he can learn the tricks of the point guard trade from this wily vet.
He can also study how Miller's teammates love playing with him; his quirky disposition has grown on the Blazers. Lawson has similar potential in this area as well, once he begins to assert his own personality on the team.

mogrovejo
03-25-2010, 11:24 AM
Too many pages, tired of copy&pasting. Request the rookies you want to read about.

Darthkiller
03-25-2010, 11:31 AM
thanks man. just wanted to see jennings and curry

mogrovejo
03-25-2010, 11:39 AM
Jerebko is Ron Artest



It might seem like an odd pairing, but it will make perfect sense. Jerebko has the stuff to be a real pain in the butt to go up against -- all arms and elbows and a red-hot engine that never stops. Great teams always seem to have one guy who fires up his own team while punishing opponents with both mental and physical play.
Artest is not the player he once was (I'd want Jerebko to pull out some classic game film of Artest and maybe even get into some '90s Dennis Rodman footage), but he'll show Jerebko enough to help him reach another level on defense and the boards. No, I don't want Jerebko to look at Artest's shot selection -- just his ability to get under the skin of his opponents using his length, physicality and bone-crushing attitude.

noob cake
03-25-2010, 12:03 PM
Blair, Wubio and Budinger please if they are listed

Killakobe81
03-25-2010, 12:06 PM
Jerebko is Ron Artest



It might seem like an odd pairing, but it will make perfect sense. Jerebko has the stuff to be a real pain in the butt to go up against -- all arms and elbows and a red-hot engine that never stops. Great teams always seem to have one guy who fires up his own team while punishing opponents with both mental and physical play.
Artest is not the player he once was (I'd want Jerebko to pull out some classic game film of Artest and maybe even get into some '90s Dennis Rodman footage), but he'll show Jerebko enough to help him reach another level on defense and the boards. No, I don't want Jerebko to look at Artest's shot selection -- just his ability to get under the skin of his opponents using his length, physicality and bone-crushing attitude.

One of your better posts and glad you didnt compare JJ to another european or some white guy i hate when people do that.Look at their "games" ...

5in10
03-25-2010, 12:24 PM
can someone post blairs?

duncan228
03-25-2010, 12:33 PM
Too many pages, tired of copy&pasting. Request the rookies you want to read about.

I'd like to see if Duncan is one of the vets. Thanks. :)

mogrovejo
03-25-2010, 12:51 PM
I'd like to see if Duncan is one of the vets. Thanks. :)

He is:
Hasheem Thabeet (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=4016)
Memphis Grizzlies (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mem)

Tim Duncan (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=215)
San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sas)

For young players, it's often best to build their foundation beginning with one skill at a time. For Thabeet, who absolutely has a chance to be an impact player in this league, that skill obviously should be shot-blocking. He's already shown immense talent in this area, averaging more than five blocks per 48 minutes. Now, imagine for a moment that Duncan was 7-foot-3. How many blocks per 48 minutes do you think he would average?



Duncan is a master at using angles to get blocks or put scorers in bad spots so they have tougher finishes. And he's still one of the league's best at blocking shots without fouling. Dwight Howard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2384) is marvelous in this area, too, but Thabeet would be wise to study the Big Fundamental's footwork and strategies in dominating the paint. While he's at it, watching Duncan employ his craft as a rebounder would pay big dividends, too.



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Btw, Blair is one of the rookies:


DeJuan Blair (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3965)
San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sas)

Dirk Nowitzki (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=609)
Dallas Mavericks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal)One of the most unique players in the NBA, Blair consistently makes plays on the glass and in the scoring department that few undersized power forwards can. What he can't do, however, is shoot. But as anyone who has been in the gym with him can attest, never tell Blair he can't do something.
So if he wants to learn how to shoot, who better to watch than the best 7-foot shooter of all time, Dirk? Blair does not have to copy the mechanics of Dirk's shot; in fact, he should stick to the form that feels most natural for him. But he can study what makes Dirk's shot so sweet: The repeatable stroke, the strong follow-through, the high trajectory and the use of fakes to create space.



That last part might be the best thing for Blair to learn -- because once he starts to make shots consistently, a strong shot-fake game can make Blair a far more devastating offensive player; he already has the quickness to get by people. Imagine how tough it would be stop him if he were a threat to drive, shoot or shot-fake attack.



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(I hate this last one. Let role-players be role-players. Blair is an energy guy, not a finesse player).

mogrovejo
03-25-2010, 12:54 PM
Blair, Wubio and Budinger please if they are listed

Chase Budinger (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3968)
Houston Rockets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=hou)

Ray Allen (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=9)
Boston Celtics (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos)
At the very least, Budinger can be an athletic player in transition who can shoot decently from 3. So, he already has a place in this league. But I also see him as a guy who can learn to utilize screens effectively to get off his shot, since he has great size and ups for his position. Allen is one of the masters at this, and has been for a long time. He's not the player he used to be, but he still knows how to use screens expertly. Changing speeds, running misdirections, setting his man up -- all part of his arsenal. This is a real growth opportunity for Budinger.


I also like how Allen has grown in his willingness as a defender. The more Budinger buys into the defensive end of the floor, the better chance he has of earning more rotation minutes at one of the wing spots in Houston.


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You mean Rubio? He's not listed, he's not a rookie yet. Rubio's role model should be Clyde. Among current players, maybe Chauncey Billups.

mogrovejo
03-25-2010, 12:58 PM
One of your better posts and glad you didnt compare JJ to another european or some white guy i hate when people do that.Look at their "games" ...

I didn't write that... you're definitely a Laker fan.

I dislike using Artest's defense as an example for a young player. Artest was always an extremely selfish defender. He'd lock up his man but care very little about team defense. Jerebko already has the natural athleticism+the work rate+the stamina+the mentality. My role model for Jerebko would be James Posey - less talented than Artest but a smarter player. Jerebko could learn the small tricks of the NBA and increase his IQ watching Posey.

duncan228
03-25-2010, 01:06 PM
Thanks mogrovejo. Appreciate it.