Is playoff Manu back?

[smeagol]

His March numbers seem confirm it.

[ducks]

but what about june numbers or first april's and mays

[HarlemHeat37]

He's been carrying the Spurs for about a month or so now, playing like TP did in the 2nd half last season..let's just hope he isn't peaking too early and he can do it in the playoffs, the Spurs will desperately need him to play like this..

[DesignatedT]

yes hes back! unfortunately not having him earlier and not having tony is taking a toll on duncan now for having to carry us the first half of this season... hopefully manu can continue to stay healthy and we can rest duncan as much as possible before tony comes back

[vander]

are we talking 2009 playoff Manu? 2008 playoff Manu?

because I'd rather not have those versions of "playoff manu" they were somewhat of a letdown

[smeagol]

but what about june numbers or first april's and mays

What about them?

Now you judge Manu on what he hasn't done? You judge him on games he hasn't played? :lmao

I don't know whose the biggest idiot: you or rascal

[duncan228]

Don't know what's coming, but he's been great. And a blast to watch.

[smeagol]

are we talking 2009 playoff Manu? 2008 playoff Manu?

because I'd rather not have those versions of "playoff manu" they were somewhat of a letdown

Well, for starters he is healthy, so . . . no, we are not talking 2008/09 playoff Manu. How does 2007 or 2005 playoff Manu sound to you?

[DesignatedT]

are we talking 2009 playoff Manu? 2008 playoff Manu?

because I'd rather not have those versions of "playoff manu" they were somewhat of a letdown

2009 playoff manu didnt exist and yes 2008 playoff manu was also a disappointment

[ducks]

I want manu playoff 2005

[roycrikside]

are we talking 2009 playoff Manu? 2008 playoff Manu?

because I'd rather not have those versions of "playoff manu" they were somewhat of a letdown

Yeah, that Manu who led the Spurs in ppg and apg against the Hornets sucked. Good point.

[roycrikside]

I want manu playoff 2005

And by that you mean you want playoff Manu 2009, on Read Madrid next season.

[Libri]

His March numbers seem confirm it.

His March numbers are off the charts.

21.4 ppg, FG 52.4%, 3pt 45.2%, FT 87%, Rb 3.7, Ast 5.4

[vander]

Well, for starters he is healthy, so . . . no, we are not talking 2008/09 playoff Manu. How does 2007 or 2005 playoff Manu sound to you?

that'd be fantastic!!!

can we use that time machine to go get 2005 playoff version TD as well?

[roycrikside]

I want manu playoff 2005

For the record, playoff Manu averaged about 20 ppg with a 24 PER and about 50% shooting. So yeah, you're getting 2005 playoff Manu now. But this one passes better too. Again, you're a moron.

[vander]

Yeah, that Manu who led the Spurs in ppg and apg against the Hornets sucked. Good point.

staying healthy is part of the game

[kaji157]

To say the truth 2008 PO manu was great untill he injuried his leg.
2009 didn´t exist.
2007 he took first round off and then had a great run, dominating the Utah series.

[roycrikside]

2009 playoff manu didnt exist and yes 2008 playoff manu was also a disappointment

Yeah, because if a guy plays well in the first two rounds but not the third round, it means he SUCKED for the whole playoffs. If Manu didn't play well against the Hornets in rd 2, on one leg, they wouldn't have even advanced to face the Lakers in rd 3.

I swear, all people remember from 08 season is the last five games. And you people call yourselves Spurs fans.:rolleyes

[smeagol]

that'd be fantastic!!!

can we use that time machine to go get 2005 playoff version TD as well?

No need for a time machine to bring back 2005 playoff Manu. In case you missed him, he's been here since Marchj 2010 started.

Now TD is another thing. He appears to be tired. But I'm guessing he will show up once the playoff start.

[ChumpDumper]

He's playing great. Hope it lasts.

[roycrikside]

staying healthy is part of the game

yeah it's totally something you can control. Maybe Manu wouldn't have gotten injured in April if he hadn't had to carry that '08 team on his back the whole year.

[ducks]

His March numbers are off the charts.

21.4 ppg, FG 52.4%, 3pt 45.2%, FT 87%, Rb 3.7, Ast 5.4

why not post his turnovers or his force threes?

[DesignatedT]

Yeah, because if a guy plays well in the first two rounds but not the third round, it means he SUCKED for the whole playoffs. If Manu didn't play well against the Hornets in rd 2, on one leg, they wouldn't have even advanced to face the Lakers in rd 3.

I swear, all people remember from 08 season is the last five games. And you people call yourselves Spurs fans.:rolleyes

where did i say he sucked... i said it was a disappointment... that he ran out of gas... by the 3rd round.....

[roycrikside]

why not post his turnovers or his force threes?

They have a force three stat I don't know about? I'd say 45% is a pretty good clip for a guy who jacks 'em up like that ballhog Manu. Imagine if he only took quality shots. He'd never miss!

[roycrikside]

where did i say he sucked... i said it was a disappointment... that he ran out of gas... by the 3rd round.....

because he was playing on one leg... thanks to fatigue ... from carrying Tony's broken down ass the whole season...

[DesignatedT]

why not post his turnovers or his force threes?

force threes?? :lmao

[santymrc]

why not post his turnovers or his force threes?

You're getting the force 3's with that % moron.

Ducks watching Manu's stats:

http://www.800aces.com/stupid-duck.jpg

[vander]

yeah it's totally something you can control. Maybe Manu wouldn't have gotten injured in April if he hadn't had to carry that '08 team on his back the whole year.

or played for Argentina...

and whether or not you can control injuries doesn't matter, guys who can stay healthy are more valuable than guys that can't. otherwise Grant Hill would probably be widely considered a top 10 all-time player.

2 straight years Manu's body couldn't hold up till the finish line, and while he's playing more conservative with his body now, I still have my doubts about this year.

[Libri]

why not post his turnovers or his force threes?

Manu's career playoff average for TOs is 2.29. In March he is averaging 2.4. It's not a substantial difference. You mention that you want the Manu of 2005 playoffs. He is averaging less TOs in March than what he averaged in the 2005 playoffs.

[smeagol]

why not post his turnovers or his force threes?

You see what I mean, ducks. With every post you become more stupid than before.

Now you wanna rag on Manu because he takes a couple of forced threes? :lol

[crc21209]

Manu is playing some AMAZING ball right now, hopefully he can keep it up. :tu

[smeagol]

or played for Argentina...

and whether or not you can control injuries doesn't matter, guys who can stay healthy are more valuable than guys that can't. otherwise Grant Hill would probably be widely considered a top 10 all-time player.

2 straight years Manu's body couldn't hold up till the finish line, and while he's playing more conservative with his body now, I still have my doubts about this year.

We should not renew Tony's contract then. The guy has played like 20 games this entire season due to injuries. He's had three different injutires. Talk about an injury prone player . . . :rolleyes

[ducks]

how many games in playoffs has tp missed
less then manu by far

[smeagol]

how many games in playoffs has tp missed
less then manu by far

Huh?

Is this thread about Parker?

[roycrikside]

why not post his turnovers or his force threes?

Manu: 2.1 turnovers per game.
Tony: 2.6 turnovers per game.

Manu: 2.3 assists to turnovers.
Tony: 2.2 assists to turnovers.

Manu: 10.2% turnover ratio.
Tony: 11.3% turnover ratio.

Manu, 3 pt forcer: 38.3%
Tony, 3 pt wizard: 30.0%.

Anything else?

[santymrc]

Huh?

Is this thread about Parker?

No, it's about Ducks.

Is Ducks stupid?
Edit this thread and make a Poll about Ducks IQ.

My guess 61.

[roycrikside]

how many games in playoffs has tp missed
less then manu by far

You're right. TP doesn't miss playoff games. He just plays so poorly sometimes that you just wish he missed them. Check out game 6, an elimination game for the Spurs mind you, at Dallas in '06. Tony really came up huge for us in that one.

Or maybe you'd like to replay Games 5 and 6 of the '03 Finals. Or game 7 in '05 when Pop pulled Tony like 3 minutes into the game because HE WAS FREAKING THE FUCK OUT and Barry had to sub in for him.

With Manu, you know if he's healthy he'll play well. With Tony you don't know what you're getting unless he gets to feast on Steve Nash. So seriously, knock that shit out.

[DesignatedT]

fuckin a. always having to turn this into Tony vs Manu .... only one thing is certain when talking about them... the spurs are going nowhere without the both of them.

[vander]

We should not renew Tony's contract then. The guy has played like 20 games this entire season due to injuries. He's had three different injutires. Talk about an injury prone player . . . :rolleyes

I hope we trade him this off-season, whoever gives him his next contract will not get their money's worth

[DesignatedT]

I hope we trade him this off-season, whoever gives him his next contract will not get their money's worth

your an idiot.

[ElNono]

Enjoying every game he's out there giving his best. A joy to watch. Hope it lasts throughout the postseason...

[DAF86]

Hope he can keep it up 'till the playoffs. If he does and Tony returns at the level he was playing before the injury, I think that a WCF appearance isn't impossible.

[Manu-of-steel]

Manu and Tony are both important for the spurs' quest for another ring. Please do not turn this into a manu vs tony thread. If tony is the one playing great, he should get the praise being given to manu right now.

[ezau]

lol Manu vs. TP. I just want TP to come back so the big three can play healthy again

[Duncan21kid]

I dont understand why you guys keep getting worked up by a retard like ducks. Hes posting shit like that to get attention.

ducks, your shits old. Can you please kindly fuck off ?

[TD 21]

I'm beginning to become concerned that he's carrying too heavy a load. With where the Spurs are in the standings and the amount of games/quality of the competition in the past weeks and that they will be facing in the following few weeks, can he keep this up without wearing down by the time the playoffs start? Granted, he's not carrying quite the load Parker had to post All-Star break last season, but it's not far behind.

The same goes for Hill, though to a lesser extent, considering how young he is, but still, he's over 40 minutes every game and playing full halves at times. As we saw with Mason last season after playing far more minutes than he ever had before, his play began to tail off (though you could argue he was just playing above his head in the first half of the season).

[Dex]

Watching Manu is a joy. Definitely one of the most exciting players I've ever seen. I'd almost gotten used to not seeing him out on the floor the past two seasons, but it's definitely a luxury as a Spurs fan.

Hope he can keep it up through the playoffs, and for several more years as a Spur.

Still, this Manu < 2005 Manu. He went berserk in those playoffs, especially against Phoenix and Denver. He shows flashes, but I would do terrible things to see another playoff run like that out of Manu.

[spursfaninla]

why not post his turnovers or his force threes?

Unbelievable. Man puts the Spurs on his back and basically beats the cavs almost single-handedly, and Ducks complains.

I am not going to turn this into a TP bash, but I really don't get it. Manu is doing more than even tony did last year this time, and STILL gets luke-warm praise from some fans.

I was very worried that manu was done at the all-star level. That worry is over. We still don't know how durable he will be, that is fair; but that worry follows duncan and parker; should we refuse to sign them too?

[Kori Ellis]

Manu is beasting. Hopefully he'll be able to carry it over into the post season.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't know why every Manu fan falls for ducks' bait. Put him on your ignore list...he's trolling you. He's been a Manu basher even at Manu's peak... he doesn't even like Parker that much, just knows that the Parker-Manu crap gets everyone going.

Ignore it.

[spurs10]

fuckin a. always having to turn this into Tony vs Manu .... only one thing is certain when talking about them... the spurs are going nowhere without the both of them.
Truth!

[Dex]

At first, I really thought Manu was still a step behind his 2005 Super-Manu form. Then I started looking closer at the numbers.

2005 Playoffs Total Averages
20.8 points
5.8 rebounds
4.2 assists
1.2 steals
0.3 blocks

2005 Playoffs vs. Suns
22.2 points
6.2 rebounds
4.8 assists
2.0 steals
0.2 blocks

2010 Averages Since Tony Parker was injured (11 games)
23.8 points
4.0 rebounds
5.2 assists
1.2 steals
.09 blocks

Rebounds are down, but points and assists are up. Maybe playoff Manu IS back. :wow

[jjktkk]

you see what i mean, ducks. With every post you become more stupid than before.

Now you wanna rag on manu because he takes a couple of forced threes? :lol

+1

[DAF86]

At first, I really thought Manu was still a step behind his 2005 Super-Manu form. Then I started looking closer at the numbers.

2005 Playoffs Total Averages
20.8 points
5.8 rebounds
4.2 assists
1.2 steals
0.3 blocks

2005 Playoffs vs. Suns
22.2 points
6.2 rebounds
4.8 assists
2.0 steals
0.2 blocks

2010 Averages Since Tony Parker was injured (11 games)
23.8 points
4.0 rebounds
5.2 assists
1.2 steals
.09 blocks

Rebounds are down, but points and assists are up. Maybe playoff Manu IS back. :wow

Look at shots attempts.

[Dex]

Look at shots attempts.

Yeah, his Field Goal Attempts are up, but that's to be expected with Tony out and Tim struggling, so it's not like he's been ball hogging. In fact, his overall shooting percentage has actually been better. And he's been handing out more assists, in less minutes on the floor.

The real question will be if Manu can keep this production up once Tony comes back into the lineup.

2005 Playoff Manu (23 games)
33.5 minutes per game
145/286 shots
6.30/12.43 shots per game
Field Goal Percentage .507%

2010 Manu since Tony was injured (11 games)
30.9 minutes per game
93/177 shots
8.45 / 16.09 shots per game
Field Goals Percentage .525%

[duncan228]

From Marc Stein's Weekend Dime.


Starting with its home loss to the Lakers on Wednesday night, no team in the league had more games left against teams with winning records than San Antonio.

Which is not good news for the Spurs, given their 17-24 record against winning teams this season.

The silver-and-black lining for San Antonio is what we've seen from Manu Ginobili since Tony Parker was lost for the rest of the regular season on March 6 with a hand injury.

Ginobili is averaging 23.2 points, 5.1 assists and 3.8 rebounds in the 10 games since, prompting one rival executive in the West to say: "Manu has been the best player in the league this month."

That development has not only re-established Ginobili as a free-agent commodity this summer, but also makes the increasingly feasible prospect of a Lakers-Spurs matchup in the first round as tasty as it gets early in the playoffs. All signs point to Parker returning in time for the postseason ... and we've never seen these old rivals meet so early in the Kobe Bryant/Tim Duncan era. Can't deny that I'm selfishly rooting for that matchup in Round 1.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime

[rascal]

I hope we trade him this off-season, whoever gives him his next contract will not get their money's worth

I agree.

Manu is playing great now but he will not sustain it throughout the lenght of the next contract. His window of top play is short and no where near what the next contract will be in time.

Age, wear and tear, international play toll, injuries will come into play and he won't be playing anything near what we have seen the last month.

[rascal]

The spurs will not get the 8th seed, they will be higher.

[jjktkk]

I agree.

Manu is playing great now but he will not sustain it throughout the lenght of the next contract. His window of top play is short and no where near what the next contract will be in time.

Age, wear and tear, international play toll, injuries will come into play and he won't be playing anything near what we have seen the last month.

Thats probably true, but the Spurs couldn't afford the PR hit if they let Ginoboli sign with another team.

[rascal]

Thats probably true, but the Spurs couldn't afford the PR hit if they let Ginoboli sign with another team.

You sign players for what they will do in the future not for PR reasons. You don't build a winner that way.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Manu has been exceptional for about 6 weeks now. I still think he lacks a little explosion at the basket compared with his pre-injury form, but that is to be expected as he ages and his body wears down. He's also playing smarter than ever (which is saying something!), and his jumper looks the best it has since his 5-game explosion 2 years ago when TP was out.

Here's to you, Manu. :toast

PS I'd love to see Manu on a 2yr/20mil contract (just like DRob) to play out his career as a Spur and head back to Europe when Tim retires, but I think someone will offer him 4 years 32mil or something. I'd probably go to 3yr/24mil.

[Sean Cagney]

Ducks you are a bozo and have known you to be that even SR Days, now I see you here posting that same bs. I swear you are a clown with no life at all.

GO DUNCAN, GO MANU, GET WELL PARKER and GO SPURS!!!!!!! YES go to title #5 for all I care, infact I would love it.

[Blackjack]

Manu has been exceptional for about 6 weeks now. I still think he lacks a little explosion at the basket compared with his pre-injury form, but that is to be expected as he ages and his body wears down. He's also playing smarter than ever (which is saying something!), and his jumper looks the best it has since his 5-game explosion 2 years ago when TP was out.

Here's to you, Manu. :toast

PS I'd love to see Manu on a 2yr/20mil contract (just like DRob) to play out his career as a Spur and head back to Europe when Tim retires, but I think someone will offer him 4 years 32mil or something. I'd probably go to 3yr/24mil.

Good to see you, Ruff.:toast

I pretty much agree with everything you said, as it pertains to Manu's play and the overall sentiment, and I'm glad you pointed out '08; most seem to jump straight to '05 when talking Manu greatness and overlook that year because of how it ended.

Manu, for a good stretch there before his injury, was the most dominant player he's ever been. He was more spectacular in '05 because of where he was athletically, physically, and because he peaked during money time (the playoffs) but for a stretch in '08, before the injury, he hit his absolute athletic peak where the athleticism and intellect met at their highest levels they ever would.

IMO, he's looked more like that player because the acumen/intelligence in his game takes a higher precedent than the physicality/explosiveness of '05.

I'm drunk ... I'm not sure that even made sense . . .

Here's the boxscore (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200802130CLE.html) to one of my favorite Manu games ever (in '08).

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Good to see you, Ruff.:toast

I pretty much agree with everything you said, as it pertains to Manu's play and the overall sentiment, and I'm glad you pointed out '08; most seem to jump straight to '05 when talking Manu greatness and overlook that year because of how it ended.

Manu, for a good stretch there before his injury, was the most dominant player he's ever been. He was more spectacular in '05 because of where he was athletically, physically, and because he peaked during money time (the playoffs) but for a stretch in '08, before the injury, he hit his absolute athletic peak where the athleticism and intellect met at their highest levels they ever would.

IMO, he's looked more like that player because the acumen/intelligence in his game takes a higher precedent than the physicality/explosiveness of '05.

I'm drunk ... I'm not sure that even made sense . . .

Here's the boxscore (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200802130CLE.html) to one of my favorite Manu games ever (in '08).

You, too, Blackjack. I've enjoyed your THC campaign... in more ways than one! :smokin

:tu to Hairston - I like this kid for a regular in our swing rotation next year.

On Manu you made perfect sense. And yeah, the emboldened bit above perfectly encapsulates what I was getting at. The really pleasant surprise for me is the return of Manu's driving game, because until Feb he was rarely getting by anyone at all and to me it looked like his legs had lost a step, along with most of their explosiveness. However, I think that right now he's athletically at about 90% of his pre-injury form, and that's more than enough to make him dynamic again in combination with his smarts, passing and shooting. :tu

He's simply a joy to watch at the moment, as he has been most of his career when healthy.

[FeZZy]

he has for like a while now

[FeZZy]

ducks sucks

[mookie2001]

Naw naw that's ignorant. The playoffs aren't here yet

he has been playing great lately though

[pookenstein]

fuckin a. always having to turn this into Tony vs Manu .... only one thing is certain when talking about them... the spurs are going nowhere without the both of them.

+1000000000000000000000000.
It's so boring.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:tu

US vs THEM dichotomies are completely counterproductive in all parts of life. Tony vs Manu is just one very small example.

[vander]

I agree.

Manu is playing great now but he will not sustain it throughout the lenght of the next contract. His window of top play is short and no where near what the next contract will be in time.

Age, wear and tear, international play toll, injuries will come into play and he won't be playing anything near what we have seen the last month.

I was talking about Parker in that post, but Manu too will most likely get overpaid this offseason. I would love to bring him back at 2-3 mill per year, but he's probably going to get offers for more than that, maybe he'll take less to stay with the Spurs

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I agree.

Manu is playing great now but he will not sustain it throughout the lenght of the next contract. His window of top play is short and no where near what the next contract will be in time.

Age, wear and tear, international play toll, injuries will come into play and he won't be playing anything near what we have seen the last month.

How many times have you said that Manu won't regain his 2005 playoff form ever again? What makes you so sure you'll be right now when you've been wrong every time before. No offense rascal, but your track record doesn't say much for your prediction skills.

[smeagol]

How many times have you said that Manu won't regain his 2005 playoff form ever again? What makes you so sure you'll be right now when you've been wrong every time before. No offense rascal, but your track record doesn't say much for your prediction skills.

His track record is outstanding!

He predicted every rival would beat the Spurs in their 2005 playoff run up until the finals against DET, where he finally got it right.

[smeagol]

I was talking about Parker in that post, but Manu too will most likely get overpaid this offseason. I would love to bring him back at 2-3 mill per year, but he's probably going to get offers for more than that, maybe he'll take less to stay with the Spurs

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

. . . and I'd love to win the lotto . . .!!!!

[ffadicted]

Check the sig folks, it's no doubt playoff manu is back, and he has been back for a while, it's just taken some people time to noticed. His confidence is the highest it's been since his injury, as is his play. If Manu can keep carrying this team the way he has until Parker is back and Duncan regains his mojo, we could be looking at a couple of playoff upsets for upper seeded teams

[Solid D]

Playoff Manu, the healthy version, is back. A case can be made that, with Parker out and without a healthy Manu, the Spurs would be just a few games over .500 in 10th position in the West. Manu has taken a vocal leadership, to go with his playmaking. There is a significant drop-off when Manu goes out of the game, exposing the ineffectiveness of Roger Mason this season.

[TD 21]

Playoff Manu, the healthy version, is back. A case can be made that, with Parker out and without a healthy Manu, the Spurs would be just a few games over .500 in 10th position in the West. Manu has taken a vocal leadership, to go with his playmaking. There is a significant drop-off when Manu goes out of the game, exposing the ineffectiveness of Roger Mason this season.

This is precisely why he'll be vital in this grueling up coming stretch. The Spurs need Mason to play well and eat up significant minutes in order to be successful. He has to take the load off of Ginobili and to a lesser extent, Hill, from a ball handling, scoring/creating standpoint. I've got no illusions about Mason being the second coming of Nash when it comes to ball handling/creating, but with Parker out, he's the Spurs third best option in this regard in the back court. This team could also use more three point shooting, which he is (or at least, is supposed to be) capable of providing.

[smeagol]

I was talking about Parker in that post, but Manu too will most likely get overpaid this offseason. I would love to bring him back at 2-3 mill per year, but he's probably going to get offers for more than that, maybe he'll take less to stay with the Spurs

With every game that goes by, this comment becomes funnier and funnier . . .:lmao

[Martin R]

I'm afraid the answer is NOT.
I'm afraid this is MUCH worse version of Beast Manu....

[baseline bum]

I thought he was done early in the season, but it's obvious the Spurs have to basically bring him back at all costs, even if they have to give a fourth year and he plays in Turkey.

[lefty]

I would go as far as saying that 2005 Manu is back

Infortunately, for some reason, he will take a backseat for TP

[MmP]

I'd say Manu has been the same since 2005. It's just that Tony improvement since the 06 season has made Manu take fewer shots every year. Now this year with Tony out Manu had to take the carry again. He's always had the talent to do it regulary.

[spurs1990]

Ginobili's numbers in this tough 5 game stretch:

28 ppg
47 fg %
42 3pt % w/ 16 total
5 apg

[Das Texan]

Manu is the heart and soul of this team no matter what.


I fully expect some type of extension to be worked out before July 1.

[InK]

I would love to bring him back at 2-3 mill per year, but he's probably going to get offers for more than that, maybe he'll take less to stay with the Spurs

Wouldn't bother usually, but so few ppl called you an imbecile for this comment that i feel obligated to make this right. You are an imbecile.

[smeagol]

I thought he was done early in the season, but it's obvious the Spurs have to basically bring him back at all costs, even if they have to give a fourth year and he plays in Turkey.

:wow:wow:wow

[vander]

Wouldn't bother usually, but so few ppl called you an imbecile for this comment that i feel obligated to make this right. You are an imbecile.

we'll see how your crystal ball stacks up against reality...

I'll be back here in a couple years to laugh and gloat



just a reminder: Manu is 32, has a history of injuries, has logged many extra games playing for Argentina, and has only been playing at this high level for about 1/5th of the season...

[DAF86]

we'll see how your crystal ball stacks up against reality...

I'll be back here in a couple years to laugh and gloat



just a reminder: Manu is 32, has a history of injuries, has logged many extra games playing for Argentina, and has only been playing at this high level for about 1/5th of the season...

You do realize you said "2/3 mil per year", right? That's less than what Mason, Bonner and McDyess are making.

[smeagol]

we'll see how your crystal ball stacks up against reality...

I'll be back here in a couple years to laugh and gloat



just a reminder: Manu is 32, has a history of injuries, has logged many extra games playing for Argentina, and has only been playing at this high level for about 1/5th of the season...

Stop the charade. Your mask fell off on the other thread. You said it yourself: Manu is making you look like a fool, he is making you look like a ducks . . .

[vander]

You do realize you said "2/3 mil per year", right? That's less than what Mason, Bonner and McDyess are making.

if it was a one year contract, I'd give him as much as 5

2 years: 4

but since he'll probably be signing a 3 or 4 year contract, i'd say 3 is the max, especially since the Economy is tanking and the NBA salary cap will be under 50 million pretty soon...

wake up, the guy is old and has played a million games, the way he's playing right now is the anomaly, not the norm

[vander]

Stop the charade. Your mask fell off on the other thread. You said it yourself: Manu is making you look like a fool, he is making you look like a ducks . . .

from what I read here, ducks is just trolling, he had me fooled until Kori announced it, I thought he was a legit CoTP member warring against the CoM :(

so, are there any real CoTP members?

[DAF86]

if it was a one year contract, I'd give him as much as 5

2 years: 4

but since he'll probably be signing a 3 or 4 year contract, i'd say 3 is the max, especially since the Economy is tanking and the NBA salary cap will be under 50 million pretty soon...

wake up, the guy is old and has played a million games, the way he's playing right now is the anomaly, not the norm

No matter how old he is, his talent deserves a lot more than 2/3 mil per year. Hell, this season the Spurs agreed to pay a 35 years old McDyess 4.5 mil per year for the next 3 years.

[vander]

No matter how old he is, his talent deserves a lot more than 2/3 mil per year. Hell, this season the Spurs agreed to pay a 35 years old McDyess 4.5 mil per year for the next 3 years.

I was never in favor of that, and one mistake does not warrant more mistakes.

however I am warming to the idea of Ginobili getting a little extra out of respect for all that a he has done for us.

I would pretty much let TD write his own contract for as long as he wanted to play because of all that he has done for the Spurs, we have 0 rings without TD etc. and maybe Manu deserves a little of that as well, but as for pure value?


goddammit, I'm getting all soft and emotional in my intoxicated state, :bang

this is a business, and going forward, Manu is going to be just what I said before: old, injury prone, etc. he'll have 3 or 4 below average or even injured months for every great month like this. And I still don't believe he'll keep this up for the playoffs, you all just wait and see, he'll let us down again...