The Ultimate Fighter: Team Liddell vs. Team Ortiz, March 31st On Spike [Archive]

dbreiden83080

03-31-2010, 04:00 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fb/Team_Liddell_vs_Ortiz_TUF_poster.jpg

Starts Tonight at 10 ET On Spike

Not much excitement surrounding this season at all. I am mildly interested in it, if only for the rumors that are swirling around about Tito and maybe leaving the show early and all. We'll see...

Here's the show info..

Fighters for this season will compete in the middleweight weight class. The season will feature 28 fighters as opposed to the usual 16 or 32. The series boasts a new "wildcard" format in which the two coaches will pick two fighters who lost their preliminary bouts to face each other for the eighth spot in the quarter-finals.

Fighters

Rich Attonito
Seth Baczynski
Charles Blanchard
Josh Bryant
Chris Camozzi
Brent Cooper
Jacen Flynn
James Hammortree
Joseph Henle
Charley Lynch
Kris McCray
Court McGee
Clayton McKinney
Kyle Noke
Victor O'Donnell
Norman Paraisy
Costantinos Phillipou
Greg Rebello
Nick Ring
Jordan Smith
Ben Stark
Lyle Steffens
Brad Tavares
Warren Thompson
Kyacey Uscola
Cleburn Walker
Woody Weatherby
Jamie Yager

Coaches

Team Liddell

Chuck Liddell

Howard Davis Jr.

Scott Epstein

John Hackleman

Jake Shields

Team Ortiz

Tito Ortiz

Cleber Luciano

Rob McCullough

Saul Soliz

CubanSucks

03-31-2010, 05:01 PM

:wakeup

2 seasons ago it was US vs UK, very interesting. Last season it was the introduction of Kimbo and 4 ex NFL players and a rivalry with 2 coaches that aren't washed up, very very interesting. This season,...

dbreiden83080

03-31-2010, 05:05 PM

IF the fights are good the season will be good

So i'm gonna watch and hope..

Stringer_Bell

03-31-2010, 11:06 PM

I definitely think that middleweight will give the fights a better chance at being exciting, it's a combination of WW speed and LHW power. Some of the fights tonight were good for the brief moments we saw, some good heart on display as well as some very weak minded fighters.

My only problem is from what I saw, there's a lot of meat heads with stupid macho mentalities. Not all of them, but enough to make a pattern. There's a difference between having a fighter's mentality and trying to act tough, too many tough guys and I'm not sure how many made it through to the house.

desflood

04-01-2010, 09:20 AM

I've had a hard time watching TUF since the Junie Browning Show made its first appearance. The fact that they built the entire heavyweight season around Kimbo just reinforced the thoughts that the show had become a parody of itself. In fact, the last season I really enjoyed was 7 (watching Amir submit that cocky bastard CB in the same way for the second time made my week). This is the first season since then that I'm actually looking forward to watching. I agree with Stringer though, there do seem to be an inordinate number of meatheads for such a small group.

The TroutBum

04-03-2010, 02:14 PM

So far, so good. I can already tell that I hate half of the cast, and I hope to see some broken arms/legs.

djohn14

04-03-2010, 04:55 PM

Jamie Yager can dance pretty good. Kicks arent half bad either

dallaskd

04-03-2010, 06:00 PM

There is no heat between Liddell and Ortiz.. lol marketing bullshit..

dbreiden83080

04-03-2010, 06:06 PM

There is no heat between Liddell and Ortiz.. lol marketing bullshit..

Tito is supposedly pulling out with some bullshit so don't bother getting into their fake arguments as the season goes on..

I'm just looking forward to Page and Shad..

desflood

04-06-2010, 07:49 AM

One of the mma sites (think it was bloodyelbow) had a pic of the TUF set up the other day - with Rich Franklin's pic opposite of Chuck's on the coachs' wall. Further fuel for the fires of rumor.

ATRAIN

04-06-2010, 08:14 AM

tito is supposedly pulling out with some bullshit so don't bother getting into their fake arguments as the season goes on..

I'm just looking forward to page and shad..

+1

Stringer_Bell

04-06-2010, 11:30 AM

One of the mma sites (think it was bloodyelbow) had a pic of the TUF set up the other day - with Rich Franklin's pic opposite of Chuck's on the coachs' wall. Further fuel for the fires of rumor.

Until I see a picture, I'm not buying it. End of filming and Tito "leaving" happened at almost the same time, Rich would have to take over in the last week...which isn't long enough to have a real impact. Tito prolly left filming due to family issues, there's a lot of info out there about it and even though much of it sounds like gossip some of it must be true.

dbreiden83080

04-06-2010, 12:01 PM

Until I see a picture, I'm not buying it. End of filming and Tito "leaving" happened at almost the same time, Rich would have to take over in the last week...which isn't long enough to have a real impact. Tito prolly left filming due to family issues, there's a lot of info out there about it and even though much of it sounds like gossip some of it must be true.

Based on on Tito's tweets he was there for 90% of the show. I remember him saying stuff like "Heading down the stretch with TUF filming" So we'll see. But either way i don't care about him and Chuck.. So many rumors saying he's out of that fight, i doubt they are all wrong..

desflood

04-06-2010, 01:11 PM

http://i39.tinypic.com/f2qaz7.jpg

I don't have the expertise to figure if it's real or shopped, but there it is.

cool cat

04-06-2010, 02:08 PM

http://i39.tinypic.com/f2qaz7.jpg

I don't have the expertise to figure if it's real or shopped, but there it is.

Not sure, but it doesn't even look like the gym on the show. Maybe that’s from one of the official UFC gyms in California or something.

Stringer_Bell

04-06-2010, 04:14 PM

http://i39.tinypic.com/f2qaz7.jpg

I don't have the expertise to figure if it's real or shopped, but there it is.

Interesting. That's a lot of trouble to go to for a fake, but it just don't feel right. Thanks for the pic!

Stringer_Bell

04-08-2010, 10:20 AM

UPDATE: I think the TUF ring is grey and the UFC logo between the posters isn't there on the show. Probably fake.

Also, I believe I mentioned earlier that as much as I dislike Tito I'd rather have him as a coach than Chuck. Last night's episode proved why. In his younger days, Tito was a beast and I'm sure he's got a lot to offer in terms of having a quality fighter's mentality (even in the face of defeat).

polandprzem

04-08-2010, 11:54 AM

dbreiden83080

04-08-2010, 12:33 PM

RU kidding me?

WTF teaching Clayton after his loss was had to do with anything?
Guy just lost a fight and was pissed. You force him to get o the ground and practice? :jack

I liked it. At his lowest point you show him the error he made. Don't let him think about it for a few days and then show him. Address it on the spot and then later on. It was a good teaching tool for the team..

polandprzem

04-08-2010, 12:41 PM

dbreiden83080

04-08-2010, 01:00 PM

What did he remembered from this? Nothing. He was still beating himself. He learned nothing.

It was not just about him, it was about the team. Losing sucks but he showed the team immediately the effect of a dumb technical mistake. He'll be more careful than ever about a triangle next time.. It's really not much different than a college player missing a game tying FT and the coach making him stay late to shoot them after the game..

polandprzem

04-08-2010, 01:51 PM

It was not just about him, it was about the team. Losing sucks but he showed the team immediately the effect of a dumb technical mistake. He'll be more careful than ever about a triangle next time.. It's really not much different than a college player missing a game tying FT and the coach making him stay late to shoot them after the game..

Why should he stay late and practice FT when he is no longer on a team?

dbreiden83080

04-08-2010, 01:54 PM

Why should he stay late and practice FT when he is no longer on a team?

He's still on the team..

They don't send them home anymore because of injury replacement..

polandprzem

04-08-2010, 03:05 PM

you made your point. IMO it's still was not the right time do do it.

Stringer_Bell

04-08-2010, 03:34 PM

you made your point. IMO it's still was not the right time do do it.

You do it when the wound is fresh and you're around your team. On THIS show, TUF, he has no option for being the center of attention a few days later. Tito gave him a chance to make the most of his time being "the man" in the ring. He lost, but he MAY get another chance somewhere down the road and he needs to remember. People remember better when emotions are involved, it engraves itself on you.

I didn't like him much anyway, especially when they told him his arm was okay. I'd have been like "If it's not broken or torn, let's get this shit done." Instead he was like "Ohhh, I can't believe it was torn." If he wants to be a pussy and cry and ignore the lesson...he doesn't have the right mentality and completely EARNED his loss. :toast

The TroutBum

04-08-2010, 09:43 PM

I liked it. At his lowest point you show him the error he made. Don't let him think about it for a few days and then show him. Address it on the spot and then later on. It was a good teaching tool for the team..

I completely agree with this. I hate to say this, but before last weeks show, I REALLY hated Tito. After watching how he handles his team, minus the bullshit "It's my birthday, and those are my dollars -- happy birthday on three!", I would choose Tito as my coach. (in my hypothetical fantasy world where I am not a fat lazy mormon)

I still think he's a douche, but that was a classy move by a good coach, imo.

polandprzem

04-09-2010, 02:07 AM

Tell me how better is to force a fighter and show him one move just after the fight and not let him get through it and show him later?

I don't get it.

Also harassing fighters is not good coaching. You talk about mentality of a fighter? That's not the way IMO.

Stringer_Bell

04-09-2010, 12:10 PM

Tell me how better is to force a fighter and show him one move just after the fight and not let him get through it and show him later?

The fighter doesn't know what the the coach/veteran fighter knows about losing OR winning. If the fighter thinks he knows better and wants to wallow in sadness and wait a few days...I'm not interested in coaching that fighter. I would not take my attention away from another fighter to teach shit to that kid when I made myself available in the most crucial moments and was ignored. Tito showed a lot of patience and didn't back down from trying to help him even with all the whining. But that's probably what happens when you pick tough guys for your team instead of aspiring professional fighters. :p:

polandprzem

04-10-2010, 09:21 AM

Why do not talk with a guy and listen to him not force him to learn in that specific moment?

he knew he screwed up nad now what? Mercyfull Tito will show him how to win now by showing one tip?

GMAB

desflood

04-10-2010, 11:32 AM

I wonder how Tito would have reacted had his trainers told him to remain in the octagon after his fight(s) against Chuck so "we can show you how to not get KO'd again".

MannyIsGod

04-18-2010, 07:46 PM

I wonder how Tito would have reacted had his trainers told him to remain in the octagon after his fight(s) against Chuck so "we can show you how to not get KO'd again".

:rofl

I thought what Tito did was good. That fighter will now remember that moment. He should have just gotten over himself and learned instead of wallowing in self pity. The best time to learn lessons are when the wound is fresh, IMO. I can see why people would think differently, but I disagree.

MannyIsGod

04-23-2010, 01:38 AM

I love Jamie Yager.

Stringer_Bell

04-23-2010, 02:26 AM

I love Jamie Yager.

He's one of the meat heads I mentioned in another post, but I actually liked that he kept trying to clear his name and not be known as a "theif." Funny how after the fight he sounded like a white guy instead of a thug. :lol

I'd like Tito as a coach, but I'd rather train with Chuck's team. Does that make sense?

Also, is this the first season with an openly gay fighter in the house. Oh, YOU KNOW the one.

dbreiden83080

04-23-2010, 02:40 PM

It's been a decent season so far..

Wonder when Tito has to leave??

polandprzem

04-30-2010, 04:49 AM

What a bullshit coach Tito is

he wondering why his guys are gassed?
MOFO stop wearing them down in training

Now you apologize for your stupid comments? Get out.

btw. that was hellava fight

CubanSucks

04-30-2010, 04:47 PM

So when is this showdown between Dana and Liddell? I saw it on a commercial but haven't kept up with this season so don't know if it's already been shown or what. If it has been shown please explain

MannyIsGod

05-21-2010, 01:25 AM

CubanSucks

05-21-2010, 02:46 AM

Pretty surprised no one has talked about this season much. I think its been pretty good so far.

I really feel for Nick, but there was no way he was winning that fight gimp so he made the right call to withdraw form the tournament. Still pulling for Yager all the way.

So when is this showdown between Dana and Liddell? I saw it on a commercial but haven't kept up with this season so don't know if it's already been shown or what. If it has been shown please explain

Stringer_Bell

05-21-2010, 08:00 AM

I'm guessing next week is when we learn what happened to Tito, this season has been plagued with one bad turn after another. It's basically been a double elimination competition so far, and I'm not really impressed with anyone so far except for Court and the Aussie. I thought Casey had a chance because of his heart, but he sucks.

It seems pointless to bring Rich in as an official coach after most of the season is done, there's only a few episodes left and no way to generate the buzz for the coach's match. The event sold out tho, so I guess it doesn't matter.

MannyIsGod

05-21-2010, 01:05 PM

Tito's been involved in all kinds of shit lately so who knows what the fuck happened to him.

dbreiden83080

05-21-2010, 03:35 PM

Tito's been involved in all kinds of shit lately so who knows what the fuck happened to him.

I used to support him nomatter what but the recent nonsense has soured me on Tito.

The TroutBum

05-21-2010, 06:36 PM

I love the fact that Court is a Utah boy. I'm forced to cheer for him.

Yager is a fuck head -- I hope someone breaks his leg off.

dbreiden83080

05-26-2010, 08:40 PM

Tonight is the episode where Tito leaves..

polandprzem

05-27-2010, 04:49 AM

Tonight is the episode where Tito leaves..

Not exactly

Wow, that was the most entertaining episode of all. Fights were not that great but the emotional part was.

Stringer_Bell

05-27-2010, 07:31 AM

McCray vs Noke was a good match, I was anti-McCray and thought Noke would end up in the finals. But damn, McCray showed a lot of heart and responded well to all of Tito's instructions ("punish him! crushing elbow!"), so now I'll be rooting for him and Court the rest of the way.

Jake Sheilds pointing fingers like a bitch at the end of the show, can't wait for him to get wrecked in the UFC.

dbreiden83080

05-27-2010, 10:08 AM

Not exactly

Wow, that was the most entertaining episode of all. Fights were not that great but the emotional part was.

Yeah they advertised it like it was but they stretched it out until next week. I don't get why Tito has to leave with like 2 weeks left? You can't hype a Rich/Chuck fight with 2 weeks left and it throws Tito's teams training into a mess..

The TroutBum

05-27-2010, 11:35 PM

"HE KICKED HIM IN THE CHEST!"

Stupid ass hair.

MannyIsGod

06-04-2010, 01:37 AM

WTF Yager. WTF WTF WTF. I never expected him to do that. I do hope he smashes Uscola in the Finale though (If they don't make this fight happen WTF).

Kicking Tito off right now is a total bitch move on Dana's part. Rich Franklin isn't going to promote his fight in one fucking episode and now a fighter has lost his coach before the biggest fight of his life. Its just fucking stupid and such a bitch move.

Chuck LIddel annoys the shit out of me, too.

dbreiden83080

06-04-2010, 10:30 AM

Tito showed class coming back. I was thinking that he was so mad he was not gonna come back but he did and his team which all said he "Did a great job with them all season" appreciated it. I really think the old Tito would have blown up at Dana bad about that one. His relationship with Dana is decent again.. You could see he was biting his damn tongue big time in that meeting and just took a deep breathe and walked away. It is bullshit that he is told you gotta go with like 5 days left to shoot..

That was one of those moments where if Tito had went off, his relationship with Dana could have gone south again really bad. So i think he just deicided to leave it alone and walk away..

Stringer_Bell

06-04-2010, 11:20 AM

I didn't like Tito saying Yager was a pussy for not risking his body, but then turns around and says he won't take a chance with his own health stepping into the ring with Chuck when he needs surgery. Seemed really odd and threw me out of the whole show, then followed it up with just driving off without saying anything to the team lol. Dick move by Dana, no reason for it at all since you can't hype a match in 1 damn show.

Yager was prolly the most exciting fighter to see in the ring, but if you keep pressure on him eventually he'll breakdown like we saw. Uscola seemed like a really good fighter with a lot of heart, but I didn't see anything special out of him in those losses he had. Not rooting for either, both failed me. :p:

Hilarious fall out from the show --> http://www.cagepotato.com/jamie-yager-and-former-tuf-11-coach-tito-ortiz-embroiled-internet-fight

The TroutBum

06-04-2010, 10:16 PM

The Chosyn One? Holy fucking shit, words can not describe how much I hate this fucking ass clown. NOTHING in my life was as satisfying as watching that bitch-ass trick quit like the cock sucking fag that he is. (wow, I just realized that my life must suck, but w/e)

At least your hair looks cool, bro.

dbreiden83080

06-04-2010, 10:20 PM

Tito's point on Yager was pretty clear to me

He quit on the stool not because he was injured, because he was gassed and mentally broke." Dude quit in that round when he was gettin GNP.. Tito has never quit on the stool in his career, dude's been a warrior his whole pro career. Yager is very mentally weak.. At least at this point in his career..