Dan, what do you have to say for your brothers in arms?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Now they're killing children (and I'm not talking about US troops).

http://us.news3.yimg.com/img.news.yahoo.com/util/anysize/380,http%3A%2F%2Fus.news2.yimg.com%2Fus.yimg.com%2 Fp%2Fap%2F20050503%2Fcapt.bag12305032334.iraq__bag 123.jpg

[Nbadan]

Now they're killing children (and I'm not talking about US troops).

:rolleyes

Its Funny how this alluded you when we were carpet bombing the city of Falluja.

You could have made this a wonderful article about why we are in Iraq, and why 1600+ of our brothers, sisters, and friends won't be coming back.

[travis2]

:rolleyes

Its Funny how this alluded you when we were carpet bombing the city of Falluja.

You could have made this a wonderful article about why we are in Iraq, and why 1600+ of our brothers, sisters, and friends won't be coming back.

We're there because, unlike you, we don't happen to like seeing human beings being fed into a shredder.

[exstatic]

We're there because, unlike you, we don't happen to like seeing human beings being fed into a shredder.

I thought we were there because they had WMDs? Revisionist history at it's finest. Keep inventing reasons for Iraq until you come up with one that's reasonably true and palatable to the American people.

[Clandestino]

there were many, many reasons... perhaps 10+ years of UN defiance.

i guess you guys like saddam

[travis2]

I thought we were there because they had WMDs? Revisionist history at it's finest. Keep inventing reasons for Iraq until you come up with one that's reasonably true and palatable to the American people.

Where's the lie, Mark? Hmmmmm? Produce proof of a lie or STFU.

[Useruser666]

When did we carpet bomb Falluja?

[The Ressurrected One]

When did we carpet bomb Falluja?
Damn, you beat me to it!

[NeoConIV]

When did we carpet bomb Falluja?
:lol

[exstatic]

Produce proof of a lie or STFU.

Produce WMDs, or it's a lie. The lie is currently hanging from the front window at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for all to see.


The threat comes from Iraq. It arises directly from the Iraqi regime's own actions -- its history of aggression, and its drive toward an arsenal of terror. Eleven years ago, as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War, the Iraqi regime was required to destroy its weapons of mass destruction, to cease all development of such weapons, and to stop all support for terrorist groups. The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has given shelter and support to terrorism, and practices terror against its own people. The entire world has witnessed Iraq's eleven-year history of defiance, deception and bad faith.

whitehouse.gov link (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html)

[Useruser666]

And that statement is extra funny considering that Falluja sounds like an Iraqi word for vagina.

[travis2]

Produce WMDs, or it's a lie. The lie is currently hanging from the front window at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for all to see.



whitehouse.gov link (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html)

And your proof that the statement was made with prior knowledge that it was incorrect?

No proof...no lie. End of story.

[Nbadan]

And your proof that the statement was made with prior knowledge that it was incorrect?

No proof...no lie. End of story.

How can anyone with half a brain cell left still say that the WH didn't fit its intelligence to meet its objective to invade Iraq and unseat Saddam after the Times report that came out this weekend?


The top-level government memo marked "SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL," dated eight months before Bush sent us into Iraq, following a closed meeting with the President, reads, "Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam through military action justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WDM. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." Read that again: "The intelligence and facts were being fixed...."

For years, after each damning report on BBC TV, "Isn't this grounds for impeachment?" Vote rigging, a blind eye to terror and the bin Ladens before 9-11, and so on. Evil, stupidity and self-dealing are shameful but not impeachable. What's needed is a "high crime or misdemeanor."

But in the US, barely a word. The New York Times covers this hard evidence of Bush's fabrication of a causus belli as some "British" elections story. Apparently, our President's fraud isn't "news fit to print."
My colleagues in the UK press have skewered Blair, digging out more incriminating memos, challenging the official government factoids and fibs. But in the US press ...nada, bubkiss, zilch. Bush fixed the facts and somehow that's a story for "over there."

Buzzflash (http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/05/05/ana05013.html)

[travis2]

How can anyone with half a brain cell left still say that the WH didn't fit its intelligence to meet its objective to invade Iraq and unseat Saddam after the Times report that came out this weekend?



Buzzflash (http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/05/05/ana05013.html)


How can anyone with half a braincell use some random BS blog as a primary source?

Oh wait...it is Dan we're talking about...nevermind...

[The Ressurrected One]

How can anyone with half a brain cell left still say that the WH didn't fit its intelligence to meet its objective to invade Iraq and unseat Saddam after the Times report that came out this weekend?
Because Bill Clinton's intelligence apparatus, Tony Blair's intelligence apparatus, and the U.N.'s intelligence apparatus (such as it is) all concurred -- and had been concurring for at least 7 years.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You won't get your proof until someone kicks Syria's ass and goes in there to look around.

[Nbadan]

Because Bill Clinton's intelligence apparatus, Tony Blair's intelligence apparatus, and the U.N.'s intelligence apparatus (such as it is) all concurred -- and had been concurring for at least 7 years.

:rolleyes

And yet Clinton never needlessly invaded Iraq or any other country based only on half-baked evidence of a drunken exasperate rival

[Useruser666]

Again, when did we carpet bomb Falluja?

[MannyIsGod]

:lol this post must have been labeled "Automatic six page thread!"

[Nbadan]

Again, when did we carpet bomb Falluja?

Hell, we not only carpet-bombed them, we used naplam (or a close derivitive) on them...


Dr. ash-Shaykhli stated that his medical teams, assigned the responsibility of investigating the health situation in Fallujah by Iraq's health ministry, had done research that proved U.S. occupation forces used substances, including mustard gas, nerve gas, and other burning chemicals there.

In fact Al-Jazeerah quoted Dr. ash-Shaykhli as stating, "I absolutely do not exclude their use of nuclear and chemical substances, since all forms of nature were wiped out in that city. I can even say that we found dozens, if not hundreds, of stray dogs, cats, and birds that had perished as a result of those gasses."

By April of 2004, Pentagon spokesperson Michael Kilpatrick admitted that the US Army alone had used at least 127 tons (over one quarter of a million pounds) of depleted uranium materials in the Iraq war to that point. Depleted uranium is a substance commonly found in all types of U.S.-made munitions including machine gun bullets, tank rounds, and cluster bombs

During the attack on the city, eyewitnesses described horrific scenes that analysts have attributed to attacks with napalm, a poisonous cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel that has the capacity of melting human flesh and bones.

Inter Press Service reported eyewitness accounts describing bombs that created mushroom clouds and explosions that caused skin to burn even when water was thrown on it. Some eyewitnesses saw indiscriminate shooting and the use of tanks to drag dead bodies to mass graves.

It was during the vicious assault on Fallujah that the shooting of a wounded Iraqi by an American marine was caught on videotape.

Meanwhile, U.S. forces prevented the Iraqi-based Red Crescent to enter the city to care for wounded civilians and bring aid to survivors. Some observers have insisted that the main purpose of this action was to prevent official recording of atrocities committed during the siege and attack.

Political Affairs.net (http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/744/1/80/)


Since the American assault on Fallujah there have been reports of "melted" corpses, which appeared to have napalm injuries.

Last August the US was forced to admit using the gas in Iraq.

A 1980 UN convention banned the use of napalm against civilians - after pictures of a naked girl victim fleeing in Vietnam shocked the world.

America, which didn't ratify the treaty, is the only country in the world still using the weapon.

SundayMirror.uk (http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14920109&method=full&siteid=106694&headline=fallujah-napalmed-name_page.html)

Here is some more liberation of Fallujans

Protestors? Civilians? Insurgents? Who cares? (http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/fallujah_bombing.wmv)


The Pentagon said yesterday it was investigating cockpit video footage that shows American pilots attacking and killing a group of apparently unarmed Iraqi civilians.

The 30-second clip shows the pilot targeting the group of people in a street in the city of Fallujah and asking his mission controllers whether he should "take them out". He is told to do so and, shortly afterwards, the footage shows a huge explosion where the people were. A second voice can be heard on the clip saying: "Oh, dude."

The existence of the video, taken last April inside the cockpit of a US F-16 fighter has been known for some time, though last night's broadcast by Channel 4 News is believed to be the first time a mainstream broadcaster has shown the footage.

At no point during the exchange between the pilot and controllers does anyone ask whether the Iraqis are armed or posing a threat. Critics say it proves war crimes are being committed.

Independent.com (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=569207)

[Useruser666]

So when did we carpet bomb Falluja?

[Nbadan]

So when did we carpet bomb Falluja?

When we destroyed the city IMO.

[Useruser666]

So in your opinion we carpet bombed Falluja?

Exactly what does that mean? It was either carpet bombed or it wasn't. Which is it??

[exstatic]

So in your opinion we carpet bombed Falluja?

Exactly what does that mean? It was either carpet bombed or it wasn't. Which is it??

It doesn't sound like he's equivocating, Chris, so stop being suck a prick. He said it was carpet bombed.

[SPARKY]

Oh shut the fuck up already Mark and stop playing with your prick.

[Useruser666]

It doesn't sound like he's equivocating, Chris, so stop being suck a prick. He said it was carpet bombed.

He said it was carpet bombed. I want some proof of that. He said it was just his opinion. That is a ridiculous statement. Show me proof it was carpet bombed.