big dog>>>>>>>>>>>barry

[ducks]

big dog needs to be resigned and barry needs to go

[ducks]

barry +cash for k brown

[Jdspur20]

lets just win the game first ok ducks?

[ducks]

game is over
tp scored 20 spurs win

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Mouse > Ducks

[ducks]

a troll>ducks :depressed

[ca®lo]

barry is in danger end of this season if he doesnt put up.

weve all been waiting for him to bring his game. CONSISTENTLY. he still hasnt.

being with the spurs all year. nazr is showing hes a much better recruit than him.

if barry is going, we need a good spot up shooter. we failed with hedo.. and i dont like to say this but we didnt get what we expect from brent.

im still up for him though. for the rest of the season that is.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Barry did some nice things away from the ball. I guess y'all missed when Denver went on that run in the second half and we came out and ran that top of the key jumper for Tim that he hit.

Guess who was screening Martin on that play?

He made some great passes tonight, got his hand in the passing lanes, did some little things.

But he didn't score 25, didn't hit 7 threes, so I guess he's a bum.

It's stupid to compare Big Dog and Barry, they guard completely different types of players and are needed for completely different types of matchups.

[ambchang]

Big Dog only looks good on the box score, he doesn't pass (or only passes as a last resort), he can't and won't defend.
Barry at least can try to defend, has better range, and way better passer.

[T Park]

they guard completely different types of players

Barry takes on Greg Buckner, Big Dog gets Anthony.



Barry was brent barry out there again.

Bricking open jumpers, turning the ball over, stupid charging foul in the first half.

Id love if he would do what he was brought here primarily for.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Like I said, who else out of our guards is normally setting picks on guys like Kenyon Martin to free up Duncan for easy shots?

Outside of Manu, no one.

Barry does whatever is needed done in the game. YOu had Horry, Manu, Bowen, and Big Dog going off from outside. Barry did the little things.

[whottt]

Um Glenn Robinson most certainly is > Barry...

What's the next brilliant observation?

Duncan > Horry?

Glenn Robinson is a #1 draft pick and 2 time all star and near franchise player, he's also younger than Barry.

But those that don't realize that contribution Barry makes just aren't paying attention...Our offense doesn't choke with Barry in the game...

Is it any coincidence that the only game we lost this series was the one he didn't play in the 4th quarter?

And he has hit 3 late all season long...he just hasn't been asked to do so in this series.

But anyway...Glenn Robinson is > Barry but Barry is a valuavble asset to this team...similar to the way Horry is...we're just better offensively with him on the court, we have been all season, and Barry proved his ability to step up when Duncan was injured. And when Barry has a big game...we usually blow the team out completely.

[T Park]

he just hasn't been asked to do so in this series

Uh, then he should stop chucking them up there then.


He was brought here FIRST, as a shooter.

To ignore that is silly.

[whottt]

Go suck Rasho...

[T Park]

Nice comeback.

When someone else is right you fall to the classic fuck off.

Go do this blah blah blah.





While saying that.


Start Barry against the Sonics, and set him up with pick and rolls at the top and let him bomb away.


Id also like to see Brent take it to the hole, and get either Allen or Lewis in foul trouble early in the game.

[ceds]

Big dog maybe better then Barry but he never was and never will be anything close to a near franchise player like another poster suggested :rolleyes

PS..we got the better Barry of the two. Wake me up when Bones starts nailing some 3's

[whottt]

Don't you have a choke job you should be worrying about?

That's what I thought....make it out of the first round and then you can get mouthy, RocketFan.

:rolleyes

[whottt]

Nice comeback.

When someone else is right you fall to the classic fuck off.

Go do this blah blah blah.

You've been saying the same stupid shit all season...






While saying that.


Start Barry against the Sonics, and set him up with pick and rolls at the top and let him bomb away.


Id also like to see Brent take it to the hole, and get either Allen or Lewis in foul trouble early in the game.


Pay attention...There's a reason Barry only takes it to the hole on certain plays...he's supposed camp out there and stretch the D...did you read Ludden's article? Barry wants to take it to Boykins all day long...but he said that's not what the Spurs do...just make sure you rip the guy for something you are supposed to rip him for...

If you want to judge by stats go ahead...he's shooting 357%...he might get worse, he might get better, but one thing he does consistently better than any guard on our team is find an open teamate rather than trying to do it all himself...and he's ended several scoring droughts in the last 3 games because he has the mentality.

You also need to pay fucking attention to the fact that Parker, Beno and Manu are not passing it to him off of penetrations...they aren't passing it to Bowen either.

Barry is tied for the lead in PPS, he's second is assists and he leads the team in adjusted FG%...he's still very efficient out there, it's just that dumbasses refuse to see it.

[ceds]

This might not be this year but we are only going to get better as Ming keeps improving. I still like our chances against Dallas

Truth is we are the only Western team that can take SA out

[ChumpDumper]

Brent isn't going anywhere.

Get used to him.

[whottt]

:roflmao

You mofos couldn't even beat us without Duncan the last time we played you.


Barry wrecked your team int he 4th quarter, and his brother, without Tim Duncan the last time we played you guys...


Talk all the Jon Barry shit you want but Brent has owned Jon every time they have matched up this season...

Jon is definitely more of a sparkplug than Brent and probably would have filled the role we needed Brent to fill, better...and they are both damn good 3 shooters with Jon having the better year...but Brent is the better all around player.

[cd36]

glenn robinson is a pile of crap

[whottt]

No, Orlando is a pile of crap...

[Man In Black]

Bones went to the hole today but really, he played team and thought ball movement first. I didn't have any issue with his drives today because A) He did drive, even got called for a charge(judgement call-I ain't mad) and he made the drive and dish that started GRob's mini-flurry. Bones did fine. He wasn't great but it's the little things that seperates the Spurs from their competition. We know that both Bruce and Rasho excel at things that don't show up on the box score. Manu does that too, you can add Bones to that list as well.

The mini-flurry was nice and if Nazr doesn't blow the most wide-open dunk ever, then GRob's 3 doesn't exist but hey, nice play by Tim to get the rebound and make the pass to Glen.

Oh and Ducks...has anyone ever told you that you are bad at comparisons and your biases are too easily read?

[gilmor]

We need to re-sign Stephen Jackson to replace Brent Barry. Jackson is more clutch than Barry and can play the 2 or 3.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He was brought here FIRST, as a shooter.

To ignore that is silly.

We brought Malik here to be a garbage player, but people like you sure didn't have any problem defending him when he started trying to pass the ball like Manu, shoot the ball like Duncan, and score like Iverson.

*shrugs*

[ceds]

:roflmao

You motherfuckers couldn't even beat us without Duncan the last time we played you.


Barry buttfucked your piece of shit team int he 4th quarter, and his brother, without Tim Duncan the last time we played you guys...


Talk all the Jon Barry shit you want but Brent has owned Jon every time they have matched up this season...

Jon is definitely more of a sparkplug than Brent and probably would have filled the role we needed Barry to fill better...and they are both damn good 3 shooters with Jon having the better year...but Barry is the better all around player.


We can score in the halfcourt and have a legit inside presence. Both are must haves against the spurs. We also play defense and have a goto guy. Van Gundy respects your team more then anyone and he is trying to build a spurs killer just as you guys tried to do against the Lakers.

Our time will come

As for Bones vs Jon.

Sugar coat it anyway you want, both guiys were brought in to nail open threes. One has done his job while the other hasnt

[whottt]

We can score in the halfcourt and have a legit inside presence. Both are must haves against the spurs. We also play defense and have a goto guy. Van Gundy respects your team more then anyone and he is trying to build a spurs killer just as you guys tried to do against the Lakers.

Our time will come

Van Gundy's time may be coming a lot sooner than you think.


As for Bones vs Jon.

Sugar coat it anyway you want, both guiys were brought in to nail open threes. One has done his job while the other hasnt

Yeah well...you guys are playing a team that isn't exactly known for it's great D...The Mavs are much improved on D but I don't think they are as good as the Nuggets and the Nuggets haven't been giving Barry many open shots after his 4-4 performance...and you guys are asking Jon to score more than we are asking that of Brent...

The biggest adjustment Barry has had to make this season is not being asked to do as much...he's used to being a major supporting player for a team with his ball handling and we aren't asking that of him...and he's struggled with that...

Jon has been a role player his entire career, this is the first time anyone has ever wanted Brent to do that...

Jon is playing awesome....and he is a better sparkplug and more experienced role player than Brent, but that doesn't mean he's a better player...why don't you look at their careers and individual success and see if you can say for certainty that Jon is better.

[whottt]

BTW, if Brent was on your team he'd be the starting PG.

[Iron Giant]

I think the Rockets are too high on Sura, when healthy, for that to be the case.

[ceds]

You dont need to write a fucking essay every post.

FACT:

Sura > Bones..no way does he start as our point

Bones was brought in to nail open 3's and failed while his brother has done a great job in the same role.

BDOG is not a near franchise player

and i nearly forgot..there is no way in hell the nuggets are a better then Dallas

[Ginobilly]

Big Dog is not that bad on D as he everybody says he is. It's just that no coach has asked him to do that. Ya'll gotta understand that most offensive wing men in the NBA don't play any D %100 of the time. They pick and choose when to play it, like Jordan did in his prime. They usually start doing that in the fourth quater. Most of those guys could play great D if they didicated themselves only towards that. But they can't because their team needs their offense. It's not humanly possible for guy to play %100 both on Offense and deffense for 40+ minutes. There's a few handfull of players in the league that do that, Manu is the best example of somebody who does that, but he could only go 28 to 30 mins a night doing both. If he paces himself on D and relaxes at times like most of the top gaurd scorers in the league do he could play close to 40 mintues a night easliy like them.

Now there's your answer why Manu can't play no more than 30 mins a night ya'll.
It's not that he's a whimp or has a medical problem like a lot of you have suggested. He gives it his all on the court and plays his heart out every second of the game.

My point is that Glenn could play D if he puts his head into it. He doesn't have to worry about O or creating it. Just D up and hit your open shots cause you get a shit load of them when your on the spurs.

[whottt]

You dont need to write a fucking essay every post.


I'll write what ever I want...if you don't like it...GFY.


FACT:

Sura > Bones..no way does he start as our point

Sura:


G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF DQ OFF DEF TOT AST PTS
Totals 657 205 23.7 2.9-7.0 .414 0.6-2.0 .325 2.1-3.1 .689 1.0 0.2 1.9 2.2 0.0 0.9 2.5 3.4 3.8 8.6

BBarry


G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF DQ OFF DEF TOT AST PTS
Totals 676 414 28.6 3.5-7.7 .460 1.6-4.0 .402 1.7-2.0 .821 1.2 0.3 1.6 2.2 0.0 0.6 2.9 3.5 3.7 10.3



It's not even fucking close. I take that back...Sura's career FG% is a little better than Brent's career 3 PT PCT.

See what you were posting as fact...is opinion, RocketFan. Learn the difference.

Statistically it's really not even close...Sura is a supreme stat padder and Barry is a much better ball handler.




Bones was brought in to nail open 3's and failed while his brother has done a great job in the same role.

357% isn't failure.

The simple fact of the matter is that Brent Barry made @ 30 more 3 pointers this season than Jon Barry...his team finished with a better record than Jon Barry...with his Superstar missing 15 or so games...and he was a reason for that because we went 8-4 with Duncan out this last time.

In the playoffs? He's shooting 357% again...it's not as good as we want him to shoot but it's not failure either....Brent Barry could just easily get hot in a game.

Jon Barry has played in a lot more playoff games than Brent...


BDOG is not a near franchise player

Again, that's your opinion...I say that being the leading post scorer on conference finalist makes him close to one...or at least it did.

It's just your opinion...don't say it's fact.

The fact is that your team just fucked up royally, your coach has his ass in a major sling and has called into question the entire integrity of the NBA, and your coach has made himself such a distraction that's it's going to probably cost you this series...that's the facts.

[whottt]

Oh and Yao is mega over-rated. Fact.

[ceds]

It's not even fucking close. I take that back...Sura's career FG% is a little better than Brent's career 3 PT PCT. Statistically it's really not even close...Sura is a supreme stat padder and Barry is a much better ball handler.


Both should be combo guard role players of the bench. Sura has lived up to expectations this year and can stay in front of his man better then barry. Forget career stats, Sura is the better defender and for that reason alone Van Gundy would start him over Brent


In the playoffs? He's shooting 357% again...it's not as good as we want him to shoot but it's not failure either....Brent Barry could just easily get hot in a game. Jon Barry has played in a lot more playoff games than Brent...

You guys needed a cold blooded shooter who wouldnt choke like the rest of your team and had a choice of Jon , Bones and Jackson yet you take the guy who hasnt proved anything playoff wise in his career. Until Bones starts having those games where he hits 4-5 3's to bust a game open like the other players i mentioned can he will be deemed a failure.




Again, that's your opinion...I say that being the leading post scorer on conference finalist makes him close to one...or at least it did.

It's just your opinion...don't say it's fact.

Its a fact..he's nothing but a 20 ft jump shooter (not a post scorer) and has never been anything close to a franchise level player. No better a player then say ced ceballos



The fact is that your team just fucked up royally, your coach has his ass in a major sling and has called into question the entire integrity of the NBA, and your coach has made himself such a distraction that's it's going to probably cost you this series...that's the facts

We will win in Dallas

[whottt]

Both should be combo guard role players of the bench. Sura has lived up to expectations this year and can stay in front of his man better then barry. Forget career stats, Sura is the better defender and for that reason alone Van Gundy would start him over Brent

Yeah...I've noticed Sura's D in the last 3 games...

You are right that both should be combo guards off the bench...there's just one major difference...Sura has been a combo guard off the bench for basically his entire career. Barry hasn't...And Sura also got more PT this year becaue the Rockets don't have freaking PG.




You guys needed a cold blooded shooter who wouldnt choke like the rest of your team and had a choice of Jon , Bones and Jackson yet you take the guy who hasnt proved anything playoff wise in his career.

What has Jon Barry proved in his career? He's gotten kicked in the first round as much as anyone else...This is the playoff series of his career.

FWIW, I wanted Jon for the role we used Brent for...but Brent has played well...

You definition of not doing his job is twelve 3 pointers through 81 games.

If Jack had taken a paycut like Barry was willing to do...he'd have been here.



Until Bones starts having those games where he hits 4-5 3's to bust a game open like the other players i mentioned can he will be deemed a failure.

Yeah well...he's already done that one game...

You don't understand....we have 3 scorers on our team capable of taking the game over...and none of them are really looking to pass right now. Bowen's not getting the ball either.


We literally ask Brent to do nothing more than campout in our half court set...

That's not exactly what the Rockets are doing...they are running a lot

And you know what? That's what he Brent's doing...Jon is shooting threes well(tearing it up in fact)...but I've also seen him thinking he's Jordan and jacking some bad shots down the stretch in your recent losses.







Its a fact..he's nothing but a 20 ft jump shooter (not a post scorer) and has never been anything close to a franchise level player. No better a player then say ced ceballos

WTF did you get Cedrick Ceballos from? Talk about random comparison....I always thought Big Dogg had the stuff to win a dunk contest though :rolleyes

On that Bucks team he was their best post scorer...he can post up...true he has the best J of his generation and that's what he's know for but he's good post player, he can do it...

He was a fucking PF in college.




We will win in Dallas

I hope you do...especially since I predicted the Rockets to win the series in the prediction thread.

[Tom_Foolery]

Barry is here because he can play both guard positions and SF if he has to. Robinson can play really 2.

But, to be honest I have been much happier with Big Dog's play than I have of Barry's. It is because of Barry that Manu is coming off the bench.

I have noticed that Big Dog has been really trying hard to play better defense, and that's what I like to see. That's what I want to see.


Man, if we still had Stephen Jackson, we would be SMOKING these teams out. Jax's defense is great, he's a heck of a scorer, and has a knack of making some big plays.


But as for Big Dog vs Barry, well I have been very displeased with Barry and very excited about Big Dog, but Barry's versatility is the reason why he's more important.

[dcole50]

barry +cash for k brown
:rolleyes

yeah, let's trade for one of the biggest busts in nba history who, by the way, just quit his team before game five of the playoffs.

[ceds]

We literally ask Brent to do nothing more than campout in our half court set...And you know what? That's what he Brent's doing...

Cmon..his role is to give TD spacing and hit open shots. This guy was considered one of the top 3 point specialists in the league before this year, how can you not say he's been a dissapointment. Sooner or later a defensive team is going to make your shooters prove themselves and it could cost you guys a series.

when he played for seattle allot of his 3's were out in transition. Thats his bread and butter and ive yet to see him have those chances on the spurs





WTF did you get Cedrick Ceballos from? Talk about random comparison
:smokin

Just another random 20 pt scorer who lucked into an all star game or two. Nothing close to a franchise level guy


On that Bucks team he was their best post scorer...he can post up...true he has the best J of his generation and that's what he's know for but he's good post player, he can do it...

No drop step , hook shot or anything else resembling a post game....just a turn around jumper.

His jumpshot is all he has..By the way Allen and Cassel have gone onto have all star years while being important pieces to thier respective playoff teams while Grobs career has gone downhill.


He was a fucking PF in college.

BFD if he was a pf in college. He has no business playing that position in the league.

[whottt]

Cmon..his role is to give TD spacing and hit open shots.

And he draws defenders...how often do you see Duncan getting doubled off of Barry in this series...I gurantee you haven't seen it more than once or twice...it hasn't happened.


This guy was considered one of the top 3 point specialists in the league before this year, how can you not say he's been a dissapointment. Sooner or later a defensive team is going to make your shooters prove themselves and it could cost you guys a series.

Try to understand me here...

Brent Barry made 100 3 pointers in 280 attempts to shoot .357%.

For him to have shot 40% he would have had to make 112 3 pointers in that same 280 attempts.

That 12 3 pointers short of shooting 40%.

12 3 pointers, through 81 games.

That comes out to .15 3 pointers a game. It's ridiculous to say that's a bust.

Especially since he lead the freaking team in 2pt PCT, FT%, Assist to to ratio, fewest TO per 48, and was second on the team in PPS.




when he played for seattle allot of his 3's were out in transition. Thats his bread and butter and ive yet to see him have those chances on the spurs

It's an adjustment he has struggled to make..I imgaine he's as surprised as anyone..but IMO Barry has overcome his own personal struggles to rise to the challenge all season long when his team has needed him most..it hasn't been pretty but he's gotten the job done...and he's been statistically the best clutch shooter on the team this season.

He's just not an energy guy...







Just another random 20 pt scorer who lucked into an all star game or two. Nothing close to a franchise level guy

More like the best midrange J in the NBA during his career.






No drop step , hook shot or anything else resembling a post game....just a turn around jumper.


I didn't say he had traditional post up game...but he can post guys up and he can hit that J from anywhere on the freaking court, including starting with his back to the basket...and from virtually any position.


His jumpshot is all he has..By the way Allen and Cassel have gone onto have all star years while being important pieces to thier respective playoff teams while Grobs career has gone downhill.


His J never went down hill...his attitude and personal life did...Ray Allen is a flat out stud 2 guard and I'd say Cassell's stock is going down while Robinson's is starting to go up...It wasn't that long ago that Robinson was drawing double teams in the playoffs.




BFD if he was a pf in college. He has as no business playing that position in the league.

He doesn't play it because he doesn't have the height, the prototypical moveset and his J from 15 feet out is so awesome...but that doesn't mean he can't score as a post up player...he does it very well. Keep watching this series.

[ceds]

Brent Barry made 100 3 pointers in 280 attempts to shoot .357%.

For him to have shot 40% he would have had to make 112 3 pointers in that same 280 attempts.

That 12 3 pointers short of shooting 40%.

12 3 pointers, through 81 games.

That comes out to .15 3 pointers a game. It's ridiculous to say that's a bust.

You are in denial. Hell Hedo had much better numbers when he was in your system. He has slumped this season and failed to meet expectations. Last year he shot 114-252 from 3 at .452%. He was also a 50% FG shooter.

Just admit it was a failure...the guy obviously isnt the same player he was in seattle. Its not all about stats, he needs an up and down transition game where he can catch and shoot on the break. Right now it doesnt look like he can hit a set shot from 3 to save himself


and he's been statistically the best clutch shooter on the team this season.

Then you guys are in trouble when Shaq clogs the paint



I didn't say he had traditional post up game...but he can post guys up and he can hit that J from anywhere on the freaking court, including starting with his back to the basket...and from virtually any position.

Agreed, he has a jumpshot..no post up game though and certainly no power forward.


His J never went down hill...his attitude and personal life did...Ray Allen is a flat out stud 2 guard and I'd say Cassell's stock is going down while Robinson's is starting to go up

I think everyone knows now that Ray was the true star of that Bucks team. Cassel right now has the claim for 2nd best after his all star season and deep playoff run last season

The point is he never was anything close to an franchise player. Just a 20 pt scorer

[ceds]

whoops double post