Manu to sign extension

[2Cleva]

WojYahooNBA

Y! Sources: Manu Ginobili is near agreement on a three year, $40 million contract extension with Spurs. http://tinyurl.com/yek8mnv

[thispego]

Sweet

[jjktkk]

Oustanding news! :downspin:

[urunobili]

10 mill a year fourth partially guaranteed?

[ohmwrecker]

This is the first time I have ever been happy after reading a post by a Lakers fan.

[Pentagruel]

Wow, that's great to hear. Furthermore that deal sounds very reasonable from a Spurs point of view as well.

[silverbora]

yes!

[in2deep]

Ginobili, Spurs close on 3-year extension

By Johnny Ludden and Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 20 minutes ago
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[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3380/;_ylt=A0wNdcb3zLxLm8EAwiYQmNIF"]Manu Ginobili (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A0wNdcb3zLxLm8EAwSYQmNIF?slug=ys-ginobilispurs040710&print=1)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3380/news;_ylt=A0wNdcb3zLxLm8EAwyYQmNIF) and the San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas/;_ylt=A0wNdcb3zLxLm8EAxCYQmNIF) are close to reaching agreement on a three-year extension that would keep the guard from entering this summer’s heralded free-agent market, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
There are still a couple of significant issues to be resolved within the next 24 to 48 hours, but the two sides have established the framework of the extension – which could be a worth a total of up to $40 million over the three years – and think the deal could be completed by the end of the week. Ginobili’s agent, Herb Rudoy, is expected to meet with Spurs officials after the team returns from Phoenix Thursday morning.

Spurs chairman Peter Holt made it clear he wanted to re-sign Ginobili, even though the small-market team is expected to pay a luxury tax of about $10 million this season.

[urunobili]

I am a little surprised the value is over 30 million though.

Agreed. Though he'd get paid that or more in the free agency if he countinues to play like this PLUS, the Argentinian press already announced he will be saying no to Turkey in 15 days.

Only way that changes is if the Spurs wins it all :downspin:

[Johnny RIngo]

Seems expensive for a player his age, but if he can stay injury-free, he's more than worth it.

[usckk]

Wow, this is great news with the way he is playing now! But are any of you all worried that he will revert back to the bad-Manu in the beginning of the season and with he long history of injury issues?

[spurs_2108]

Amen.

[urunobili]

oh BTW... CROFL Vander, CROFL ducks, CROFL rascal, CROFL TD21

[FvckMavs]

great news! I hope he will not play in WC this summer.

[Mel_13]

An extension of approximately 3yrs/40m would represent the maximum amount that the Spurs could pay Manu in a 3yr extension.

Good for Manu.

Good for the Spurs.

Good for fans of the San Antonio Spurs.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Over paying a tad bit... but oh well

[urunobili]

in Addition to his soon to be made resignation of playing in Turkey... it seems he bargained not playing this year versus playing in the qualifying tournament for London and the Olympics themselves :spin

[Mel_13]

Oh, thanks to 2Cleva for posting.

[Gooshie]

Even though it's a little pricey, I don't care. If Manu bolted, then the last 2 years of Timmy would have been a waste. Therefore, this is GREAT news.

[Muser]

Over paying a tad bit... but oh well

Considering he's been underpaid all his career i'd say it's fair.

[Frenzy]

*crosses fingers*


stay healthy manu!

[Libri]

Excellent news.

Yahoo Sports with breaking Spurs news again.

[Muser]

And fuck yeah! Best news of the season.

[coyotes_geek]

You could make the case that in the early years of Manu's current contract he was underpaid, so I don't have a big problem with the extension including some "make-up" dollars. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see that 3rd year have some unguaranteed cash in it. Good move by the Spurs to get this done before the playoffs. Sure would have sucked to have Manu lead the Spurs on a better than expected playoff run and then have to resign him on an open free agent market.

[dastrey]

Great news. Had he not resigned, there would be a few teams in the summer desperate enough to give him 4 years.

[Libri]

I'm guessing there wil be a fourth year that in not fully guarenteed.

team option?

[HarlemHeat37]

If the Spurs didn't overpay Manu, another team certainly would have..there was pretty much no choice but to give him that much with the way he's playing anyways..I could care less, it's good to have him on the team going forward..to me, this is a sign that the Spurs will continue to field a competitive team going forward in these last few years of the big 3 era..

If Manu can stay healthy, I'm confident he still has some ability left in the tank..now let's hope he stays healthy and the Spurs can make a nice run..

[boutons_deux]

It's Easter Week.

Another Miracle Worker Is Back Amongst Us.

[Quiet Strength]

Good news!! I hope he stays healthy and earns it.

[024]

contract is not going to look so good when ginobili is 34-35 years old playing on his last legs. better than risking him leaving the spurs during the FA i guess.

[Libri]

The Spurs care more about the next two years and if that meant signing him for more, than so be it.

[phxspurfan]

If the Spurs didn't overpay Manu, another team certainly would have..there was pretty much no choice but to give him that much with the way he's playing anyways..I could care less, it's good to have him on the team going forward..to me, this is a sign that the Spurs will continue to field a competitive team going forward in these last few years of the big 3 era..

If Manu can stay healthy, I'm confident he still has some ability left in the tank..now let's hope he stays healthy and the Spurs can make a nice run..

This.

I wonder if Holt is a good investor b/c basically he bought high and almost sold low on Manu (they probably considered trade offers for him before the deadline). But they had no choice considering the temporary superstar status he's regained just in time for him to ink a new deal.

Congrats Manu and the Spurs. But I doubt we will consistently see this level of play from him, especially as Tony comes back and takes those PG minutes.

[boutons_deux]

yep, he's been underpaid. So (maybe) overpaying him now is justified.

Anyway, he's gotta put food on his family.

[santymrc]

Best news!!!!! I'm so happy!!! :downspin::downspin::downspin::downspin::toast:toa st

[in2deep]

will he still be making less than RJ? :)

[FromWayDowntown]

Well, this should again assure that the Spurs' iconic players will primarily have played only for the Spurs -- David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, maybe Tony Parker.

I like that.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

Spurs owner Peter Holt became determined to get a deal done and re-sign Manu Ginobili, sources say, and talks moved fast in last week.

[quentin_compson]

That would be awesome.

[Evil Angel]

Thank you Mr Holt. Now Manu can concentrate on basketball. Man that's a scary thought...

[angelbelow]

wonderful, i agree that its a bit overpaid but i guarantee he would get that salary in the FA anyways. at least we get to keep him and potentially see him retire as a spur.

[J.T.]

Contract needs to be amended to say he takes a 50% paycut if he plays for any team not named the San Antonio Spurs. Parker's too.

[duhoh]

good to hear :tu

now to keep him from getting so banged up!

[angelbelow]

Hope he doesn't go sub-par on the Spurs now.

I dont think so, hes always been a passion player. injures have hurt him but you can tell he always plays with fire and i think thats a rare thing.

[ATRAIN]

Manu needs to retire a spur, great news!!

[NRHector]

If this is true Manu deserves it, good for him and us

[JiggaWhat99]

Awesome

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Considering he's been underpaid all his career i'd say it's fair.

I wouldn't say he's been underpaid when you count the games he's missed

[Bruno]

Awesome news. :tu

Spurs had no other choice than re-signing Manu. It will be great to see Manu playing more year year with Spurs. He is such an awesome player.

I will wait to see the specific of his contracts but $40M/3 years is a lot of money and years. Spurs could surely have saved some money by re-signing him sooner. They could also have tried to wait this summer but I'm glad they didn't take that risk.

Spurs main priority for this summer should be Splitter. If he doesn't :splitter Spurs (again), next year team will be really solid.

[Muser]

Just gotta make sure he doesn't play in the summer..

[ElNono]

Awesome news. :tu

Spurs had no other choice than re-signing Manu. It will be great to see Manu playing more year year with Spurs. He is such an awesome player.

I will wait to see the specific of his contracts but $40M/3 years is a lot of money and years. Spurs could surely have saved some money by re-signing him sooner. They could also have tried to wait this summer but I'm glad they didn't take that risk.

Spurs main priority for this summer should be Splitter. If he doesn't :splitter Spurs (again), next year team will be really solid.

I hear he'll be signing it as soon as he comes back from Turkey... :stirpot:

I kid, I kid!

[toki9]

Well, this should again assure that the Spurs' iconic players will primarily have played only for the Spurs -- David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, maybe Tony Parker.

I like that.

Not sure if Parker will end up on that list when he's done...

[silverblackfan]

Best news of the year. Manu is worth the ticket price for fans and an important part to this teams success. Will he stay healthy? Maybe, but Pop will manage his minutes and he won't play this Summer, so that helps.
I am stoked that Manu remains a Spur.

[Mark in Austin]

Why am I not surprised Ludden broke the story?

In the face of more lux tax, Ownership steps up again. Solid. :tu

[nbaman99]

Am i hearing this right now? some of you actually complaining he got 40 mill contract for 3 years. Kobe not the kobe a year ago but he still got paid like 90 mill and we are complaining about Manu after he carried us in to the playoffs. OMG.

please stop calling your self a spurs fans. Yeah he was injured but not now. I think he wont play in WC and if we needs to win another ring, we need the same team back and Manu can take us there.

If he enters the free agency he will get paid lot more. At least he loves this team way more than some of you do to sign back with us.

[elbamba]

Manu was underpaid for the past 6 years. He deserves it. Well done.

However, they should have signed him 3 months ago and it would have been under 10 million a season.

[Creation88]

FUCK YES

:downspin:

[Mel_13]

Spurs chairman Peter Holt made it clear he wanted to re-sign Ginobili, even though the small-market team is expected to pay a luxury tax of about $10 million this season.

I wonder how season ticket renewals are going. I know of people who would not renew until they were sure Manu would still be a Spur.

[alchemist]

Spurs are adding D-League talent to keep the cost down, not a bad re-sign....

*crosses fingers that manu decides to retire from NT play*

[spursfaninla]

yep, he's been underpaid. So (maybe) overpaying him now is justified.

Anyway, he's gotta put food on his family.

I would not have supported the extension had I known Manu had weird food fetishes.

[tothrowed]

how much money does that leave to try and get splitter

[spursfaninla]

how much money does that leave to try and get splitter

splitter was going to be a MLE signing either way, so the only issue is whether the ownership is willing to pay 12m/year for splitter (about 6 to splitter, but double with tax).

[Spurs Brazil]

GREAT news, I'm VERY happy

Props to Holt for giving Manu a fair contract

EN, Monroe and McDonald OWNED again. Great job for Ludden and Wojnarowski

[urunobili]

Spurs are adding D-League talent to keep the cost down, not a bad re-sign....

*crosses fingers that manu decides to retire from NT play*

If y'all read the first pages of the thread there i gave you the info that He'll be announcing (in 15 days) that he won't play in Turkey (probably the only way that changes is if the Spurs win it all this year) and that he'll probably play the Olympic qualifiers in Argentina in 2012 (if Argentina is not W Champ without him :stirpot:) and the Olympics if they do qualify :spin

[cheguevara]

If y'all read the first pages of the thread there i gave you the info that He'll be announcing (in 15 days) that he won't play in Turkey (probably the only way that changes is if the Spurs win it all this year) and that he'll probably play the Olympic qualifiers in Argentina in 2012 (if Argentina is not W Champ without him :stirpot:) and the Olympics if they do qualify :spin

I don't get it. Manu WILL play in world's IF Spurs win it all? and he WON"T if they don't?

doesn't make sense

[jestersmash]

Expected. I said it over and over again, Ginobili's re-signing is going to net him between $10 M and $13 M per year, and looks like I was right.

I didn't understand all of these people running around screaming "Manu for MLE"

If kobe bryant gets $30 M per year, Ginobili deserves $10-12M/year.

[clubalien]

does manu signing the extension now hurt us regarding cap space for signing lebron during the summer?

[jestersmash]

does manu signing the extension now hurt us regarding cap space for signing lebron during the summer?

Are...are you joking?

[Mel_13]

does manu signing the extension now hurt us regarding cap space for signing lebron during the summer?

Nah, we get LeBron to sign a minimum contract and then give him 20M/yr to be Chief of Media Relations.

[sa_butta]

GIIIINNNNOOOOBBBIIILLLIIII!!!!
This is awesome news.

[MarCowMar]

I'm happy but oh man I feel like all the NBA salaries are about to shift way down and pretty soon this will look like a bloated deal. We may have trouble re-signing Hill and Blair down the line.

Bright spot is it looks like Manu will retire a Spur. That makes me really happy. He's one of a kind talent, great leader, and the heart of the Spurs (IMHO).

[murpjf88]

does manu signing the extension now hurt us regarding cap space for signing lebron during the summer?

No absolutely not. We should still be able to sign lebron on a penny pinchers salary and maybe still may have enough left over to sign Bosh.

[FvckMavs]

does manu signing the extension now hurt us regarding cap space for signing lebron during the summer?

not at all. Lebron can share MLE with Splitter.

[doobs]

Can the Spurs afford to sign Splitter and keep Manu, RJ, and McDyess?

[murpjf88]

Can the Spurs afford to sign Splitter and keep Manu, RJ, and McDyess?

If the Spurs can pry away Splitter, McdDyess is out the door.

[clubalien]

Can the Spurs afford to sign Splitter and keep Manu, RJ, and McDyess?

before or after trading tim and tony?

[lurker23]

Great news! Glad they got it done. :tu :elephant

$40 mil/3 years is a tad high, but on the open market he was going to get at least $21 mil/2 years or, if a team was willing to give him 3 years (at least one non-Spurs team probably would have), then they would have offered him at least $31 mil/3 years. Who knows where the bidding war would have gone from there.

By overpaying a little now, the Spurs (and fans) have a lot more peace-of-mind, and the two sides reward each other for their loyalty. If the Spurs have accepted that they are paying the luxury tax next year, then it didn't matter much whether Manu got $12 mil or $4 mil next year. Beyond that, it may hamper their flexibility a bit, but they already had a TON of flexibility beyond this summer already, so they should still be in good shape money-wise.

Bottom-line: If Holt is truly going all-in, then all the talk and money from this past offseason meant next to nothing beyond 2009-10 if they didn't resign Manu Ginobili.

[urunobili]

I don't get it. Manu WILL play in world's IF Spurs win it all? and he WON"T if they don't?

doesn't make sense

Spurs are chasing another ring... it is MY assumption that an announcement NOT to play in Turkey could only change if the Spurs go allt he way this year... I am guessing that that would make Pop and the organization more loose with him playing in the summer.

I'm assuming He won't if they don't win it all because he wouldnt risk anything for the next season to be able to win it all...

Again, he probably negotiated not playing in Turkey vs. doing so on the Olympics qualifier and London

[scottspurs]

Great news! Ginobili will retire where he should. Sign splitter, find a cheap shooter and next year's team will be set for the back to back run.

[Refocus]

GREAT news. :)

[Kool Bob Love]

Ginobili!!!...
Ginobili!!!...
Ginobili!!!...

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt2:


:flag:

[MoSpur]

Awesome news. I'm glad I don't have to sign all these paychecks. It seems a little high, but the details haven't been released. So who knows? He's been playing like a $10-12 million dollar player. He's making less than RJ and has been carrying the team as of late. He earned this contract with the play of these past couple of months.

Great job by Holt stepping up and paying the most exciting Spur!

[MoSpur]

Anyway they can write it up in his contract that he cannot play another summer of basketball until his contract ends???? J/K, but that would be awesome.

[Sisk]

I'd think that this has more to do with Holt and Ginbobili agreeing that he'd not play anywhere else but for the Spurs, and not as much to do with his play as of late.

Either way, great news!

[Kori Ellis]

Great news! Glad they got it done. :tu :elephant

$40 mil/3 years is a tad high


I think the $40M figure includes some partially guaranteed money in a 4th year. It's probably something like $35M/3 years, plus $5M guaranteed on the 4th.

[DDS4]

Great value (still). The Spurs have been lucky with Manu.

Kobe's pricetag is twice as much.

[jestersmash]

To the people who keep saying $40 M / 3 year is "high," please explain your rationale. What objective, quantifiable metric are you using to make that statement? It seems so arbitrary and subjective.

What should he have been paid per year? Something nearer the MLE? Are you guys suggesting that Ginobili deserves to be paid just a smidgen higher per year than the likes of antonio mcdyess?

Why does he deserve to take a pay cut, then (he's making $10.7 M this year) when every other spurs player is getting a pay increase over time?

We have a player who can drop 25+ on any given night with greater offensive efficiency than the likes of kobe bryant, and he does all of the other things that don't show up in box scores (taking key charges, making key stops, leaping out of bounds to save a loose ball with seconds left on the clock and allowing RJ to nail the game winning jumper against OKC) and we're getting him at a fraction of Kobe's price ($90M over 3 years, seriously) and you guys still think he's overpaid?

I guess I just don't understand, that's all. I'd like to hear everybody's reasoning.

All I'm saying is, my implied statement that $40M/3 years is "just right" is just as arbitrary and subjective as yall's statement that 40M/3 years is "overpaid," but I've made my case, I just want to hear the other side.

It's unfathomable to me that someone like Ginobili deserves only the MLE.

[DesignatedT]

Can the Spurs afford to sign Splitter and keep Manu, RJ, and McDyess?

Yes, Manu doesn't go against the MLE. And dice and rj are already under contract. Thy leaves up to about 6 mil/year available for splitter.

[lurker23]

I think the $40M figure includes some partially guaranteed money in a 4th year. It's probably something like $35M/3 years, plus $5M guaranteed on the 4th.

That was my first thought as well, though I won't assume as much until I actually see it. 3 years with a 4th partially guaranteed makes a whole lot of sense for both sides, and an average salary of $10-12 mil per year falls a lot closer in line to what most of us were thinking.

[in2deep]

To the people who keep saying $40 M / 3 year is "high," please explain your rationale. What objective, quantifiable metric are you using to make that statement? It seems so arbitrary and subjective.

What should he have been paid per year? Something nearer the MLE? Are you guys suggesting that Ginobili deserves to be paid just a smidgen higher per year than the likes of antonio mcdyess?

Why does he deserve to take a pay cut, then (he's making $10.7 M this year) when every other spurs player is getting a pay increase over time?

We have a player who can drop 25+ on any given night with greater offensive efficiency than the likes of kobe bryant, and he does all of the other things that don't show up in box scores (taking key charges, making key stops, leaping out of bounds to save a loose ball with seconds left on the clock and allowing RJ to nail the game winning jumper against OKC) and we're getting him at a fraction of Kobe's price ($90M over 3 years, seriously) and you guys still think he's overpaid?

I guess I just don't understand, that's all. I'd like to hear everybody's reasoning.

All I'm saying is, my implied statement that $40M/3 years is "just right" is just as arbitrary and subjective as yall's statement that 40M/3 years is "overpaid," but I've made my case, I just want to hear the other side.

It's unfathomable to me that someone like Ginobili deserves only the MLE.

they are saying that next year and year after Manu will regress so much or be injured, so he might not deserve that money.

In other words, they are talking out of their ass

[e20dylan]

Yessssssssssss!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

so is this a sure thing? done deal? can we start celebrating??

[EricB]

Yeah celebrate. Ludden's sources are air tight.

[SCdac]

Fuck yeah. I'm absolutely ecstatic. I hope it becomes official soon.

[easjer]

Wow.

It's like the Spurs woke up in Mid-March, looked around and decided it was a good time to go ahead and get serious.

My interest as a fan has awoken as well. Far more interesting now. Very pleased to hear Manu will be back and end his career here. It feels good.

[jestersmash]

I think this article explains it well. I'm not an expert on these "Reina value" ratings, but according to this objective metric, Ginobili is "worth" $12 M / year

"Manu Ginobili is ranked 41st in season FIC during the 09-10 season, giving him a Reina Value of +12%, 'deserving' Samuel Dalembert's salary just over $12M. At an annual average of $13.3M, Ginobili will need to maintain his current level of play until he's 35 for the Spurs to recoup their investment. Because of the flood of teams with cap space, Ginobili could have very conceivably made more on the open market.

Because he spent his early 20s abroad, Ginobili doesn't have as many NBA miles on his almost 33-year-old legs as most players do at that age. Provided he's healthy, Ginobili is largely the same player has has been since the 04-05 season when he first had a TS% over .600. His PER that season was 22.3 and is now at 22.8, down a little from his peak years of 06-07 and 07-08, but his production and health after offseason ankle surgery has been a pleasant $40M surprise.

Ginobili still attacks the bucket as frequently as he always has, but has dropped off in his efficiency as a finisher here from where he was before the surgery. He looks to dish off when penetrating as much as he looks to finish and that has created a spike in assist rate up to 28.2% (6.2 assists per 36 minutes, above his career average of 4.8 per 36).

He has recovered from his one-season slump from distance to shoot it at a clip of 39% in 09-10.

Defensively, Ginobili is largely still as good as he always has been.

Ginobili is one of the game's savviest players and will continue to be productive whenever he is healthy enough to be on the floor.

The Spurs undoubtedly will be overpaying a little bit in the third year of his extension when he's 35, but I think they will rest a little easier knowing they had him at below market value for the majority of his career. If Ginobili would have become a free agent, a desperate team with cap space could have offered him a balloon payment for 2010-11, leaving the Spurs completely vulnerable since they already are in cap hell. The 10-11 season will be as tax-laden as this season is with the San Antonio payroll just under $80M, but at least they will have Richard Jefferson coming off the books in the 2011 summer when Tony Parker becomes a free agent.

Grade for Spurs: B+

For Ginobili, this deal all but ensures he retires with San Antonio and also gives him the security he's earned by proving his health and value throughout a 09-10 season where he has been nearly as valuable to the team as Tim Duncan.

He struggled for much of the first half of the season, shooting 40.3% before the break and 48.7% after it. Ginobili and Herb Rudoy appear to be cashing in without a hometown discount on his late season resurgence and impeccable timing just shortly before he would have become an unrestricted free agent in a carnivorous summer.

Grade for Ginobili: A"

[TDomination]

Sweet! Now lets go win us a championship!!

[lurker23]

To the people who keep saying $40 M / 3 year is "high," please explain your rationale. What objective, quantifiable metric are you using to make that statement? It seems so arbitrary and subjective.

....


I can't speak for anyone who thinks Manu should be getting $5-7 million per year, but I've generally thought Manu's contract would be in the range of $7-10 million per year (the lower end of that scale being when he looked like a shell of his former self earlier in the year, and/or a lesser amount accepted in order to receive a longer 3-4 year contract).

This rationale had little to do with Manu's actual play on the court. Manu is an absolutely spectacular player who gives a ridiculous amount of effort; if you went solely on that, he probably deserves to be a top 20 NBA player in terms of salary. However, the main concerns with Manu are age, injuries, and style of play.

-Most NBA swingmen begin to decline after their early 30s, so his long-term value has to be a concern, especially with additional miles put on by increased professional ball at an early age and long playoff runs.

-Manu has been fairly injury-prone recently, and some of those injuries have come at very inopportune times (i.e.- late in the season). A player's value goes down if he doesn't play 75+ games, especially if some of those games missed or impacted are in the playoffs.

-Manu's style of play is reckless and only has one gear. In most cases, that's an asset; however with an aging, injury-prone player, that can be a detriment and shorten the length of his career.


As I said, I'm thrilled about having Manu back next year and a couple years thereafter, even if the price tag turns out to be $40 million for 3 years. But teams have to take all things on and off the court into consideration, and for the reasons above the price tag might be a tad "high."

[Rummpd]

A lot better bargain than Bryant (30 million a year) and right now is playing as well as him if not better! (and Google - most clutch NBA player and it is Manu not Bryant that comes up!)

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/john_schuhmann/11/05/clutch.numbersgame/index.html

[jestersmash]

I can't speak for anyone who thinks Manu should be getting $5-7 million per year, but I've generally thought Manu's contract would be in the range of $7-10 million per year (the lower end of that scale being when he looked like a shell of his former self earlier in the year, and/or a lesser amount accepted in order to receive a longer 3-4 year contract).

This rationale had little to do with Manu's actual play on the court. Manu is an absolutely spectacular player who gives a ridiculous amount of effort; if you went solely on that, he probably deserves to be a top 20 NBA player in terms of salary. However, the main concerns with Manu are age, injuries, and style of play.

-Most NBA swingmen begin to decline after their early 30s, so his long-term value has to be a concern, especially with additional miles put on by increased professional ball at an early age and long playoff runs.

-Manu has been fairly injury-prone recently, and some of those injuries have come at very inopportune times (i.e.- late in the season). A player's value goes down if he doesn't play 75+ games, especially if some of those games missed or impacted are in the playoffs.

-Manu's style of play is reckless and only has one gear. In most cases, that's an asset; however with an aging, injury-prone player, that can be a detriment and shorten the length of his career.


As I said, I'm thrilled about having Manu back next year and a couple years thereafter, even if the price tag turns out to be $40 million for 3 years. But teams have to take all things on and off the court into consideration, and for the reasons above the price tag might be a tad "high."

Hmm I see, good points all around. I think your justification is sufficient for warranting a 7-10M "price tag" on Ginobili's value.


Now, I'd like to hear from the Ginobili for MLE or slightly above MLE posters try and argue that he's worth just $5.5 or 6 per year (even though it's obviously after the fact, but still). I'm looking at you ducks.

[Mel_13]

I can't speak for anyone who thinks Manu should be getting $5-7 million per year, but I've generally thought Manu's contract would be in the range of $7-10 million per year (the lower end of that scale being when he looked like a shell of his former self earlier in the year, and/or a lesser amount accepted in order to receive a longer 3-4 year contract).

This rationale had little to do with Manu's actual play on the court. Manu is an absolutely spectacular player who gives a ridiculous amount of effort; if you went solely on that, he probably deserves to be a top 20 NBA player in terms of salary. However, the main concerns with Manu are age, injuries, and style of play.

-Most NBA swingmen begin to decline after their early 30s, so his long-term value has to be a concern, especially with additional miles put on by increased professional ball at an early age and long playoff runs.

-Manu has been fairly injury-prone recently, and some of those injuries have come at very inopportune times (i.e.- late in the season). A player's value goes down if he doesn't play 75+ games, especially if some of those games missed or impacted are in the playoffs.

-Manu's style of play is reckless and only has one gear. In most cases, that's an asset; however with an aging, injury-prone player, that can be a detriment and shorten the length of his career.


As I said, I'm thrilled about having Manu back next year and a couple years thereafter, even if the price tag turns out to be $40 million for 3 years. But teams have to take all things on and off the court into consideration, and for the reasons above the price tag might be a tad "high."

You've summed up all the risks associated with signing Manu and they account for the long wait for an extension.

Manu's recent play plus his incredible popularity in San Antonio, combined IMHO with a commitment to decline NT play this summer, made the risks associated with NOT signing Manu even greater.

Perfect storm for Manu and Rudoy.

[mingus]

i think as long as the Spurs aren't too demanding of him and his body, and he stays out of the Olympics, he can stay healthy over the course of season. it would suck BIG TIME if that's not the case though and he just is injury prone now. there's really no way of telling though. it's definitely a risk to sign him to that long of a contract and at that price, but it's also a risk to not sign him and potentially see him walk away.

personally, i would have waited. people are on a high right now that he's been playing so well, but the reality of the situation is that we've seen it before from him only to see him fall from injuries. i'm a believer that history repeats itself and i'd like more evidence to see it won't, or that it's less likely to, before i sign him.

for the moment, though, I"M HAPPY AS HELL.

[shelshor]

yea

[timvp]

Great news. The championship window would have slammed shut if Ginobili left this summer. Re-signing him was 100% a must ... and I was saying that even back when he wasn't playing like the best player in the league. There was no way the Spurs were going to find a player to replace him.

That said, it looks like the Spurs gambled and lost. They probably could have locked him up for a cheaper contract earlier in the process. The FO wanted to make sure he was healthy ... and not only did he prove to be healthy, he proved he's still an elite player in this league. $13 million per year isn't overpaying him but the Spurs could have re-signed him for $8-10 million if they would have trusted him instead of making him prove it. Oh well, good for Manu. He has earned his money and will continue to do all he can to earn his money going forward. He's the last player in the world who I would worry about getting fat and happy after signing a new deal.

I'm also glad Manu can stop talking about his contract situation. Now he can concentrate on continuing his great play and helping the Spurs surprise in the playoffs.

[anonoftheinternets]

brilliant news ... looks like even if the jefferson experiment fails this year, we can reload and try again using his expiring.

[Mr.Robinson]

Not sure if Parker will end up on that list when he's done...

Parker should have been traded long time ago. It was an insult to Duncan when he didn't get the mvp in the 07 Finals. Parker for a big man to help tim out would have been great this season.

[mingus]

Jefferson' expiring will be used this summer imo. i think they paid that price for Manu having that in mind.

the issue is they need to have a fourth scoring option that can relieve Manu also. that was the idea with jefferson, or part of it at least. it hasn't worked out as well as people anticipated it would, even though he's picked it up of late. wonder who they get if they trade him.

it'll be an interesting summer, that's for sure.

[Crookshanks]

Considering he's been underpaid all his career i'd say it's fair.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Manu could've made a LOT more money elsewhere.

[stéphane]

I feel relieved. Manu deserved it for what he means to this organisation and his current level of play made it possible.

[Kool Bob Love]

Parker should have been traded long time ago. It was an insult to Duncan when he didn't get the mvp in the 07 Finals. Parker for a big man to help tim out would have been great this season.


:lol:lol:lol


It WAS a BIGGER insult that MANU didn't get that FINALS MVP in 05...:nope

[ElNono]

The extension better include draft rights for the Ginobili twins...

[Bukefal]

Parker should have been traded long time ago. It was an insult to Duncan when he didn't get the mvp in the 07 Finals. Parker for a big man to help tim out would have been great this season.

:rollin :bang

[urunobili]

The extension better include draft rights for the Ginobili twins...

lol what if they turn out soccer players instead? :lol

[TIMMYD!]

The way he's starting to play, he deserves the money.

Fuck yes!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr.Robinson]

:lol:lol:lol


It WAS a BIGGER insult that MANU didn't get that FINALS MVP in 05...:nope

Tim won game 7 by himself.

[superjames1992]

Yesssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!

[jiggy_55]

Great! Finish up with the details then...

Next objective: Go and get Splitter to sign up as well!

[TJastal]

Expected. I said it over and over again, Ginobili's re-signing is going to net him between $10 M and $13 M per year, and looks like I was right.

I didn't understand all of these people running around screaming "Manu for MLE"

If kobe bryant gets $30 M per year, Ginobili deserves $10-12M/year.

One in particular thought Manu was specifically worth only the MLE + 500K .. can't remember who that was but I thought that was kinda humorous.

[CFH]

Great news. :toast

[tmtcsc]

Ginobili, Spurs close on 3-year extension

By Johnny Ludden and Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 20 minutes ago
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[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3380/;_ylt=A0wNdcb3zLxLm8EAwiYQmNIF"]Manu Ginobili (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A0wNdcb3zLxLm8EAwSYQmNIF?slug=ys-ginobilispurs040710&print=1)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3380/news;_ylt=A0wNdcb3zLxLm8EAwyYQmNIF) and the San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas/;_ylt=A0wNdcb3zLxLm8EAxCYQmNIF) are close to reaching agreement on a three-year extension that would keep the guard from entering this summer’s heralded free-agent market, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
There are still a couple of significant issues to be resolved within the next 24 to 48 hours, but the two sides have established the framework of the extension – which could be a worth a total of up to $40 million over the three years – and think the deal could be completed by the end of the week. Ginobili’s agent, Herb Rudoy, is expected to meet with Spurs officials after the team returns from Phoenix Thursday morning.

Spurs chairman Peter Holt made it clear he wanted to re-sign Ginobili, even though the small-market team is expected to pay a luxury tax of about $10 million this season.


Thank you Peter Holt. It just had to be done. Manu is everything to this team and he puts butts in seats.

[Horry For 3!]

Sweet, we had to have Manu signed. Especially how he has been playing lately, carrying the Spurs.

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

:clap

[kace]

that's the weird thing with the NBA salaries rules. when a player gets the big money he deserves, there's a big chance he will be overpaid at the end of his career because of his age.

13 M / year for manu would have been very cheap considering the player he is.

now, in 2 or 3 years, it could be a little bit overpaid.

anyway, to know that manu will be with the spurs for three (four ?) more years and probably till the end of his career is an amazing news. great.

the only bad thing i see there is that this forum will have to endure the stupidity of some of his groupies for a long time again.

[Sisk]

lol what if they turn out soccer players instead? :lol

SS&E should have an MLS team soon, so :toast

[SenorSpur]

Outstanding news.

I wonder if there is a clause in the contract that restricts his summer activity to simply changing diapers and the occasional excursion to Bed, Bath & Beyond? :lol

[DesignatedT]

now where are the ones claiming he was going to leave.

[crc21209]

Hell yeah! :tu. GREAT news! Ginobiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[lcroock]

One thing that people are forgetting - in all likelihood there will not be a 2011-2012 season, or there will be an abbreviated season. You can subtract $10M from the contract total...

[DAF86]

Just gotta make sure he doesn't play in the summer..

He was expected to not play in the summer before this news so I think this extension would definitely keep him out of the WC.

[Bruno]

BTW, some little salary infos:

Because of the over 36 rule, the max length for Manu's extension is 3 years. His contract can't have a 4th year.

The max extension that Manu can get is:
10-11: $11,854,584
11-12: $12,981,037
12-13: $14,107,491
Total: $38,943,112

[DAF86]

BTW, some little salary infos:

Because of the over 36 rule, the max length for Manu's extension is 3 years. His contract can't have a 4th year.

The max extension that Manu can get is:
10-11: $11,854,584
11-12: $12,981,037
12-13: $14,107,491
Total: $38,943,112

Didn't you say in another thread that the Spurs were the only team able to offer him a 4 year contract?

[Sisk]

BTW, some little salary infos:

Because of the over 36 rule, the max length for Manu's extension is 3 years. His contract can't have a 4th year.

The max extension that Manu can get is:
10-11: $11,854,584
11-12: $12,981,037
12-13: $14,107,491
Total: $38,943,112

Good info sir

[urunobili]

^^ Bruno with the right on target post as always... so basically Manu got a Max extension granted? :wow

[Bruno]

Didn't you say in another thread that the Spurs were the only team able to offer him a 4 year contract?

Spurs could have offer him a new 4 years contract this summer. For an extension, they are limited to 3 years.

[DAF86]

Spurs could have offer him a new 4 years contract this summer. For an extension, they are limited to 3 years.

Thanks :tu

[crc21209]

Up on ESPN.com now....

Updated: April 7, 2010, 5:32 PM ET
Source: Ginobili to re-sign for 3 years

By Ric Bucher
ESPN The Magazine
Archive

The San Antonio Spurs and guard Manu Ginobili have agreed to a three-year extension worth $38.9 million, a league source confirmed Wednesday.

The deal is the maximum the Spurs are allowed to offer Ginobili under the current collective bargaining agreement, based on Ginobili's current salary and age (32).

The contract will not be completed before Ginobili and the team return to San Antonio from their current road trip and the possibilty remains the deal could fall apart. Whatever concerns the Spurs might have about Ginobili's injury issues over the last few seasons, though, have been allayed by his performance the last two months.

Ginobili said he has been physically fine since the start of the season, but that he had "a mental issue" to overcome about finishing around the rim.

Ginobili has been with San Antonio since 2002. He's averaging 16.6 points and 5.6 assists per game this season.

He could have become a free agent after the 2010 season ends for the Spurs, who are tied for sixth in the Western Conference standings entering Wednesday's games.

Ginobili's value to San Antonio is heightened by the fact that as a Spanish-speaking Argentine, he is immensely popular in San Antonio's Hispanic-rich market.

Ric Bucher is senior NBA writer for ESPN The Magazine.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5064686

[SenorSpur]

now where are the ones claiming he was going to leave.

I'm on record for proclaiming that if the Spurs allowed Manu to hit free agency (July 1st), the chances would be highly likely that a bad team, with a ton of cash, could make an outlandish offer that the Spurs couldn't afford to match.

The Spurs did the smart thing by eliminating that possibility.

[urunobili]

CROFL Ludden owning ESPN

[crc21209]

i'm on record for proclaiming that if the spurs allowed manu to hit free agency (july 1st), the chances would be highly likely that a bad team, with a ton of cash, could make an outlandish offer that the spurs couldn't afford to match.

The spurs did the smart thing by eliminating that possibility.

+100000000

[Whisky Dog]

The Spurs wanted. To wait to see if Manu had it left, and he played himself into a much bigger contract because of it. Props to him and also the FO for getting it done now.

[Bruno]

I'll explain what happened: Spurs offer Manu 2 year deal, Manu wants 4. After point X where Manu is being Manu, spurs are ready to offer Manu 3 years.


So Manu was asking something not allowed by the CBA?

[Whisky Dog]

So Manu was asking something not allowed by the CBA?

Manu is an overacheiver.

[bigfan]

Well, this should again assure that the Spurs' iconic players will primarily have played only for the Spurs -- David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, maybe Tony Parker.

I like that.

If only they could have done it for the Iceman.

[poop]

lol what if he starts playing like shit now :lol

[Brazil]

what ???

[Spurminator]

Great, great news. Props to Holt for ponying up.

[Xevious]

Good news.

So if they let all the expirings walk, this still puts our salary total in the mid 60s with a lineup of:

Duncan
Jefferson
Parker
Ginobili
McDyess
Hill
Blair
with team options for Hairston and Gee (I'm sure they'll at least pick up Hairston)

If they can somehow sign Splitter, next year looks decent (assuming everybody can stay healthy).

[Brazil]

good news

[DesignatedT]

Good news.

So if they let all the expirings walk, this still puts our salary total in the mid 60s with a lineup of:

Duncan
Jefferson
Parker
Ginobili
McDyess
Hill
Blair
with team options for Hairston and Gee (I'm sure they'll at least pick up Hairston)

If they can somehow sign Splitter, next year looks decent (assuming everybody can stay healthy).

not too shabby.

[JR3]

Ginobili is my all time favorite spur to watch. I love the signing, I love the numbers, it all makes sense! I bet Tim is just as happy as we are!

[DPG21920]

Manu.Is.A.Spur.

[DesignatedT]

he was never going anywhere. duncan,ginobili and parker will all be hanging in the rafters soon..

[pjjrfan]

Stay healthy, my Friend. 3 more years of Manu, awesome. He has to retire a Spur.

[baseline bum]

That's a huge contract and I still worry about Manu's longevity, but it's pretty hard to argue he's not playing up to that level of pay right now. It's good to have that out of the way, and I'm also happy to see Holt and the ownership group are gearing to compete for #5 for the rest of Tim's career too.

[PURO SAN ANTO 210!]

I love manu that's my dogg!!!!!!!!

[bigdog]

I dig.

[alchemist]

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich and management also want to continue building the team around Ginobili in the wake of his strong play over the past two months.
This quote is very interesting, Tony on his last year, RJ on his last year....big $$$ for next summer.

[Brazil]

now to celebrate we need him to torch the Suns

[baseline bum]

This quote is very interesting, Tony on his last year, RJ on his last year....big $$$ for next summer.

Capspace is grossly overrated, especially if the owners can get non-guaranteed deals that would basically allow the Lakers and Knicks to play the free-agent market every single season.

[baseline bum]

Overall, I'm glad as hell this got done. I didn't think Manu was capable of playing at this level early on when he was having a disappointing season, but he's convinced me now.

[lurker23]

BTW, some little salary infos:

Because of the over 36 rule, the max length for Manu's extension is 3 years. His contract can't have a 4th year.



So Manu was asking something not allowed by the CBA?

The "Over 36" rule is a complicated one that I (along with 99.9% of the basketball public) don't really understand. I get the basic idea that it's there to keep players and owners from gaming the system and giving a player 4 years worth of salary for 3 years worth of work, but I can't find where it actually places a limit on the number of years you can sign an extension for. If you could provide a link, that would be great. Thanks! :tu

[draft87]

great news.

But now that makes our payroll about $68 million for a 2011 roster of

Duncan
Jefferson
Parker
Ginobili
McDyess
Hill
Blair
Hairston

The mandatory minimum is 13 on the roster, right? and max is definitely 15 so that means 5 more mandatory roster spots to fill starting at $68 Million. And still 2 more spots available after that. .........

Holy shit, I hope Holt and the cap will let us put it together.

[Solid D]

For someone who plays all 5 positions at the same time, he probably deserves much more than that but there are health risk factors to consider.

[The Truth #6]

Curious to see how the Spurs manage their money this Summer. They have to go after Splitter as that's what RC has stated they want to do, but if they do that's a lot of money they will be spending, espcially if they sign a first round draft pick.

Do they let Bonner walk if he wants too much? Do they keep their draft pick? I would hope so, but it's not my money. Curious to see what happens...

[Bruno]

The "Over 36" rule is a complicated one that I (along with 99.9% of the basketball public) don't really understand. I get the basic idea that it's there to keep players and owners from gaming the system and giving a player 4 years worth of salary for 3 years worth of work, but I can't find where it actually places a limit on the number of years you can sign an extension for. If you could provide a link, that would be great. Thanks! :tu

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q49


The Over-36 rule also applies to extensions and renegotiations. They always start counting from the date the extension or renegotiation is signed. For example, if a contract with two years remaining is extended by three years, it's counted as a five-year contract

[Dex]

Fantastic news! Glad to hear Manu Ginobili will be staying right where he belongs, and he will no longer have this decision weighing on him.

Ginobili earned this new contract by being patient through his recovery and by proving that he still had a superstar level ability left in him. If the Spurs hadn't thrown these dollars at Manu, someone else would've, and I just could not stand the thought of watching Manu be Manu against us, rather than for us.

[sammy]

Updated: April 7, 2010, 5:32 PM ET
Source: Ginobili to re-sign for 3 yearsEmail Print Comments 45Share129 retweet 104By Ric Bucher
ESPN The Magazine
Archive
The San Antonio Spurs and guard Manu Ginobili have agreed to a three-year extension worth $38.9 million, a league source confirmed Wednesday.

The deal is the maximum the Spurs are allowed to offer Ginobili under the current collective bargaining agreement, based on Ginobili's current salary and age (32).



Ginobili
The contract will not be completed before Ginobili and the team return to San Antonio from their current road trip and the possibilty remains the deal could fall apart. Whatever concerns the Spurs might have about Ginobili's injury issues over the last few seasons, though, have been allayed by his performance the last two months.

Ginobili said he has been physically fine since the start of the season, but that he had "a mental issue" to overcome about finishing around the rim.

Ginobili has been with San Antonio since 2002. He's averaging 16.6 points and 5.6 assists per game this season.

He could have become a free agent after the 2010 season ends for the Spurs, who are tied for sixth in the Western Conference standings entering Wednesday's games.

Ginobili's value to San Antonio is heightened by the fact that as a Spanish-speaking Argentine, he is immensely popular in San Antonio's Hispanic-rich market.

Ric Bucher is senior NBA writer for ESPN The Magazine.


Awesome News! :toast

[jcrod]

Great news. I thought he was done been an elite player, its been awesome seeing him turn it on.

[Kori Ellis]

So Manu was asking something not allowed by the CBA?


BTW, some little salary infos:

Because of the over 36 rule, the max length for Manu's extension is 3 years. His contract can't have a 4th year.

I was asking if a 4th year was possible because of the over-36 rule the other day. And someone said that YOU said that the Spurs COULD offer him a 4th year. :lol

I guess I was misinformed that you had said that, and was correct in my original thinking.

[NFGIII]

Over paying a tad bit... but oh well

Ya think? Though I'm glad that Manu has been re-signed what does that do to our ability to get other players?

Ian and Mase are gone but we do have some young and therefore inexpensive players coming into training camp next year.

What will this do concerning the Splitter situation? Is there enough money to sign him? If not then he is pretty much either in Euroland to stay for several more years or a trade asset.

[tp2021]

If I wasn't a Manu homer, or if I was Holt, I would not like the pricetag.
But I kinda am, so I'll just be happy :)

[Blackjack]

Bruno beat me to it. :lol

Great news on the Manu front. It had to be done, everyone knew it had to get done, and Holt stepped up and got it done.

It's a win-win (on and off the court). :tu

[Killakobe81]

Well deserved ...
Manu has the biggest sack on the team besides TIM ...

[raspsa]

Once more Holt steps up. Great news. The Spurs were wise to settle things early and not wait for Manu to become a FA.. then who knows what crazy offers would be thrown at Manu?

[Bruno]

I was asking if a 4th year was possible because of the over-36 rule the other day. And someone said that YOU said that the Spurs COULD offer him a 4th year. :lol

I guess I was misinformed that you had said that, and was correct in my original thinking.

Yes and no. :downspin:

Spurs could have offer him a 4 years contract this summer when Manu would have been a FA. Other teams would have been limited to 3 years contract. However, the max length Spurs can offer for an extension is 3 years.

[Spurs1234]

I think George Hill becoming such a good player had something to do with it as well. With Hill being a lock for a solid wing player, potential All star, you can give manu 30 minutes a night and he doesnt have to carry the team as Hill continues to develop. I really like this team going into next year, esp. if parker can stay healthy and rest all summer, and become 2008 parker, and IF they can bring in another big, they need another big man to protect the paint.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

Over paying a tad bit... but oh well

With Manu we beat the Celtics, Lakers and Magic. Without Manu, we lose to the Nets.

No Manu, no :lobt:

[AFBlue]

Manu is likely worth this deal for the next two years (alongside Duncan and probably Parker), but I'm worried about the last year of this deal. $14M is a lot of cheese.

[Pauleta14]

I'm also surprised by the 13M/year value, but concidering he was WAY underpaid for his actual contract...

Good for him, good for the Spurs and...... good for us!

[Andy25]

I am so glad the spurs finally got their act together. I am not in gloom like I was at the middle of the season.:toast

[bigbendbruisebrother]

What will this do concerning the Splitter situation? Is there enough money to sign him? If not then he is pretty much either in Euroland to stay for several more years or a trade asset.

One way to look at this is that maybe the front office thinks we're going to lose Splitter to another ginormous Spanish contract. Hopefully, Tiago doesn't pull a Scola on us, but if he does, at least Holt didn't hold onto the cash only to lose Splitter and Manu. Insert "bird in the hand" metaphor here.

[AFBlue]

Don't mean to put a damper on the news...I'm as excited as anyone that Manu will be with this team the next few years. Without him it became a HUGE question mark as to whether the Spurs would continue to contend.

If healthy, he's worth every bit of that contract. I just worry about Manu playing that last year for $14M at age 35 and potentially without all-time NBA great Tim Duncan.

Enough of that worry....awesome news!

Go Spurs!

:lobt2:

[DesignatedT]

now we can get ready to do this all over again with tony...

[benefactor]

So glad they got this done. It's hard for fans to stand on the outside looking in and wonder if the FO is still as committed to go all in as they were when they acquired RJ...considering all that has transpired this season. With this move, they have said an emphatic "yes". Couple that with the fact there is no other place that any of us want to see Manu play and you have a situation that is great for the Spurs, the fans and the one an only Manu Ginobili.

[Pauleta14]

Don't mean to put a damper on the news...I'm as excited as anyone that Manu will be with this team the next few years. Without him it became a HUGE question mark as to whether the Spurs would continue to contend.

If healthy, he's worth every bit of that contract. I just worry about Manu playing that last year for $14M at age 35 and potentially without all-time NBA great Tim Duncan.

Enough of that worry....awesome news!

Go Spurs!

:lobt2:

Do you really see Timmy retiering at the end of his contract?!

I see him play at least 5 more years... (he is one of the few superstars who doesn't need to be the center piece for ever!)

[DazedAndConfused]

I'm sure Spur fans are elated universally at this news, but your FO is making a huge gamble here assuming Ginobili is going to stay healthy for the next two seasons.

That's a massive chunk of change they just dropped on him.

[Mel_13]

No. At the beginning of the season, Manu was going to let his contract expire so he could get that fourth year. I don't know all the details, but I do know that Manu wanted 4 years, the Spurs were willing to give him 3. Perhaps the Spurs bumped up the offer and threw in more money so Manu's contract expired the same year as Tim's and he didn't test the FA market.

Manu's deal is now one year longer than Tim's.

[DesignatedT]

wouldn't be surprised if duncan extended his contract 1 more year. He'd still be a very effective big man.

[vander]

I guess the Spurs have no desire to remain competitive after this year :wow:(

Manu will be getting paid about a million dollars for every good game he'll have :lol :depressed

[Mel_13]

I'm sure Spur fans are elated universally at this news, but your FO is making a huge gamble here assuming Ginobili is going to stay healthy for the next two seasons.

That's a massive chunk of change they just dropped on him.

It is a risk, although is Manu for 14M in 2012-13 any riskier than Kobe for 30M in 2013-14?

[baseline bum]

I guess the Spurs have no desire to remain competitive after this year :wow:(

Manu will be getting paid about a million dollars for every good game he'll have :lol :depressed

So your plan to get better was to have him walk for nothing?

[boutons_deux]

I hope the Suns' dumbass fans boo Manu tonight.

Manu should wear his "Argentinian macho man wig" down to his shoulders and gayly flick it back all night. Scola and Roberto type hair.

[vander]

So your plan to get better was to have him walk for nothing?

:lol you think any other team would have offered even close to that, Spurs should have let him test the open market, where he'd be lucky to get half that

and why now of all times, right after he's been hot for 3 weeks, why now when his value is temporarily extremely over-inflated?

poor Spurs Fans...

[Mel_13]

:lol you think any other team would have offered even close to that, Spurs should have let him test the open market, where he'd be lucky to get half that

and why now of all times, right after he's been hot for 3 weeks, why now when his value is temporarily extremely over-inflated?

poor Spurs Fans...

You didn't answer the question.

How does this extension make the Spurs less competitive next season?

Because that's what you said.

[baseline bum]

I guess the Spurs have no desire to remain competitive after this year :wow:(.

So your plan to improve the team was to have him walk for nothing then?

[Spurs Brazil]

Manu's agent: Spurs fans 'can have some hope' -

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2010/04/manus-agent-san.html


"Everybody is reporting it's done," Rudoy said. "It is not done, but we are talking really seriously."

[wildbill2u]

:toast
Excellent news.

Yahoo Sports with breaking Spurs news again.

Johnny Ludden is still so wired in to the Spurs that you can take this article to the bank. Might still hit a bump in the road, but at least both sides seem to be working toward an accord.

Hallalujah! Here's to you Mr. Holt. :toast

[baseline bum]

Come on vander, answer the question.

[vander]

You didn't answer the question.

How does this extension make the Spurs less competitive next season?

Because that's what you said.


Come on vander, answer the question.

the same way signing Bonner for 9 million a year would

or mason for 6 million a year, :rolleyes it isn't that complicated :wakeup

[baseline bum]

the same way signing Bonner for 9 million a year would

or mason for 6 million a year, :rolleyes it isn't that complicated :wakeup

Yes, it isn't that complicated. Signing one of the teams best players to an extension makes the team much more competitive next year than letting him walk for nothing does.

[8FOR!3]

All is well in the motherfucking world, thank God!

[vander]

So your plan to improve the team was to have him walk for nothing then?

if some Isaiah Thomas wannabe offered him too much (anything over 8 mil yr. IMO), then yeah, the Spurs' Dollar is best spent elsewhere.

he's worth the MLE at most, anyone who thinks he can keep playing like this for 3 more years is a fool. he couldn't even play like this for most of this season.

[rascal]

Don't mean to put a damper on the news...I'm as excited as anyone that Manu will be with this team the next few years. Without him it became a HUGE question mark as to whether the Spurs would continue to contend.

If healthy, he's worth every bit of that contract. I just worry about Manu playing that last year for $14M at age 35 and potentially without all-time NBA great Tim Duncan.

Enough of that worry....awesome news!

Go Spurs!

:lobt2:

The spurs will not contend with or without Manu if they don't get better in the front court.

[rascal]

oh BTW... CROFL Vander, CROFL ducks, CROFL rascal, CROFL TD21

I said he was going to sign with the Spurs.

[baseline bum]

if some Isaiah Thomas wannabe offered him too much (anything over 8 mil yr. IMO), then yeah, the Spurs' Dollar is best spent elsewhere.

he's worth the MLE at most, anyone who thinks he can keep playing like this for 3 more years is a fool. he couldn't even play like this for most of this season.

The Spurs have no dollars to spend. If they let Ginobili, Mason, Bogans, Mahinmi, Hairston, and Bonner walk, they still don't have a cent of capspace. Not a single penny.

So basically, you say the Spurs best way to improve is to let Ginobili walk for nothing while not paying anyone else?

[rascal]

Considering he's been underpaid all his career i'd say it's fair.

You pay for what a player will give you in the future, paying for past success will lead to failure.

[rayray2k8]

Good to hear. Contract is high, but Manu will stay a spur. To all 4 you spurs fans who dont like Manu.. Go fuck yourself. He managed to salvage this season and the spurs FO knows it.
If they tried to low ball him on an extension, he would have walked. It's funny that all the Manu haters are also Bonner fans...
I don't get that.

[vander]

Yes, it isn't that complicated. Signing one of the teams best players to an extension makes the team much more competitive next year than letting him walk for nothing does.

you are fooled by these last 3 weeks. you think he has found the fountain of youth and health.

not so, he will be the Manu of the December-February at best and if healthy for the length of that deal

[rascal]

The Spurs have no dollars to spend. If they let Ginobili, Mason, Bogans, Mahinmi, Hairston, and Bonner walk, they still don't have a cent of capspace. Not a single penny.

So basically, you say the Spurs best way to improve is to let Ginobili walk for nothing while not paying anyone else?

Could they not have made a sign and trade to bolster the frontline. If the frontline is not upgraded the spurs still will not be contenders.

[My Fault]

if some Isaiah Thomas wannabe offered him too much (anything over 8 mil yr. IMO), then yeah, the Spurs' Dollar is best spent elsewhere.

he's worth the MLE at most, anyone who thinks he can keep playing like this for 3 more years is a fool. he couldn't even play like this for most of this season.

Judging by your post you haven't watched basketball very long and don't know very much. Congrats now everyone realizes those two very things. :tu

[DAF86]

if some Isaiah Thomas wannabe offered him too much (anything over 8 mil yr. IMO), then yeah, the Spurs' Dollar is best spent elsewhere.

he's worth the MLE at most, anyone who thinks he can keep playing like this for 3 more years is a fool. he couldn't even play like this for most of this season.

That's around what McDyess is making, do you think Manu's value is equal to Dice's?

[DAF86]

You pay for what a player will give you in the future, paying for past success will lead to failure.

And how can you possibly know that?

[timtonymanu]

awesome news. This means the door isnt closed yet. We still need number 5.

GO SPURS GO!!!

[rascal]

you are fooled by these last 3 weeks. you think he has found the fountain of youth and health.

not so, he will be the Manu of the December-February at best and if healthy for the length of that deal

Agree opening up the bank for 3 years can doom the team. I do not expect him to play at this level even for all of the first year let alone all 3 years.

He will be the player we saw in the first half of the season for the majority of this 3 year contract.

[rascal]

And how can you possibly know that?

It is foolish to think he will be playing like an all star for the lenght of this contract. His age and injury frequency.

[baseline bum]

Could they not have made a sign and trade to bolster the frontline. If the frontline is not upgraded the spurs still will not be contenders.

Of course they couldn't have made a sign-and-trade to bolster anything. Have you paid any attention to the way sign and trades work?

1) Team X has capspace to sign player Y outright from Team Z.

2) Player Y's agent tells Team Z to do a sign and trade so Player Y gets more years and/or higher yearly raises.

3) Team X gives Team Z a 2nd round pick or a scrub-ass player it doesn't want (e.g., Portland giving the Spurs Steve Smith for DA).

4) Team Z gets fucked.

[ducks]

spurs are fools for offering him that much
unless it is not all guaranteed

[alchemist]

Agree opening up the bank for 3 years can doom the team. I do not expect him to play at this level even for all of the first year let alone all 3 years.

He will be the player we saw in the first half of the season for the majority of this 3 year contract.
:wow

http://www.txlottery.org/

You got the numbers?

[vander]

The Spurs have no dollars to spend. If they let Ginobili, Mason, Bogans, Mahinmi, Hairston, and Bonner walk, they still don't have a cent of capspace. Not a single penny.

So basically, you say the Spurs best way to improve is to let Ginobili walk for nothing while not paying anyone else?

we have no MLE?

obviously I would prefer that all the other GM's are smart, no one offers him more than 3/21, and he decides to stay with SA for even less than that.

but how can you possibly justify signing him for 2x what he's worth right after he has an anomalous 3 weeks of exceptional play without even knowing what the market for him is, or if he'll even finish the season healthy...

badly overpaying players is what bad teams do.

which actually does make sense, without that ping pong ball miracle of 97, the Spurs probably are a bad team for most of the past decade.

[rascal]

Of course they couldn't have made a sign-and-trade to bolster anything. Have you paid any attention to the way sign and trades work?

1) Team X has capspace to sign player Y outright from Team Z.

2) Player Y's agent tells Team Z to do a sign and trade so Player Y gets more years and/or higher yearly raises.

3) Team X gives Team Z a 2nd round pick or a scrub-ass player it doesn't want (e.g., Portland giving the Spurs Steve Smith for DA).

4) Team Z gets fucked.

Not if team Z doesn't accept it. With manu's recent play there would be some sweet offers.

[Bruno]

WOIA reports say that Spurs and Manu's agent are still talking about how much of the third year would be guaranteed.

$14.1M in 2012-2013 for a 35 years old Manu is a lot of money. I'm not sure Manu's agent could convince Spurs to fully guarantee it.

[vander]

And how can you possibly know that?

I think it's safe to assume that Durant will be pretty good in the future... LeBron too, he's probably worth as much as you can pay him under the CBA...

no, no, that's just conjecture, that's just my opinion, none of us could possibly actually know that :lol
all we know is that Manu was great from 2002-2007, so we should pay him as much as possible for 2010-2013.

we should probably extent TD another 3 years for the maximum allowed as well... got to keep your best players

[FkLA]

Thank god almighty, I mightve honestly cried like a little bitch if I saw Ginobili in another uniform. Worth all of it and than some. Best day of the damn season.

[baseline bum]

we have no MLE?

Probably not, after the new CBA is worked out. If there is an MLE, than the Spurs still have it after signing Manu.



obviously I would prefer that all the other GM's are smart, no one offers him more than 3/21, and he decides to stay with SA for even less than that.


And I'd like to be able to crush a piece of coal in my hand and make it into a diamond. $7 million a year isn't going to happen with all the money out there this summer.



but how can you possibly justify signing him for 2x what he's worth right after he has an anomalous 3 weeks of exceptional play without even knowing what the market for him is, or if he'll even finish the season healthy...


I didn't try to justify $40 million. I said keeping him was better than letting him walk for nothing.



badly overpaying players is what bad teams do.


So the Lakers suck? The Magic? The Cavs? The Nuggets? The Mavericks?



which actually does make sense, without that ping pong ball miracle of 97, the Spurs probably are a bad team for most of the past decade.

With the front office finding gems like Parker and Ginobili in the draft, I highly doubt that.

[anonoftheinternets]

:wow

http://www.txlottery.org/

You got the numbers?

:lol

[rascal]

I think it's safe to assume that Durant will be pretty good in the future... LeBron too, he's probably worth as much as you can pay him under the CBA...

no, no, that's just conjecture, that's just my opinion, none of us could possibly actually know that :lol
all we know is that Manu was great from 2002-2007, so we should pay him as much as possible for 2010-2013.

we should probably extent TD another 3 years for the maximum allowed as well... got to keep your best players

But he has been great for the last 6 weeks. :lol

[vander]

That's around what McDyess is making, do you think Manu's value is equal to Dice's?

Dyess is worth what he's making? and what about RJ, Manu's better than RJ, how dare we offer him less than 15 mil per year.

or is the logic here that one mistake deserves another, and that in turn another, and...

[Brazil]

The spurs will not contend with or without Manu if they don't get better in the front court.

pretty spot on

We need a young big talented body and quick

[baseline bum]

Not if team Z doesn't accept it. With manu's recent play there would be some sweet offers.

If Team Z doesn't accept it, Player Y walks to Team X for absolutely nothing and Player Y's agent remembers Team Z screwing his client over, and steers his other players away from signing there. So, Team Z gets fucked twice.

[baseline bum]

As for the sweet offers, rascal, Manu's not a base year compensation player, so he can still be traded.

[Mel_13]

Could they not have made a sign and trade to bolster the frontline.

Only if:

1. Manu wants to go a team that has such a player

2. The other team is interested in giving up such a player.

Highly unlikely. The one place such a trade could have happened would have been with New York in an exchange of sign and traded players for David Lee. Then you just have to believe that Manu would be interested in playing for the Knicks and that the Spurs would be a better team with Lee than with Manu. I don't believe either of those things are true.

The Spurs choices with regard to Manu are to keep him or let him go. They have apparently decided to keep him.

[ElNono]

I think it's safe to assume that Durant will be pretty good in the future... LeBron too, he's probably worth as much as you can pay him under the CBA...

Neither of which could be had for anywhere near $14 million/season, if they could be had at all. Let's face it, the amount of players you could have that have the ceiling Gino has for $14M/season is quite limited.
Not to mention none of them would guarantee the season ticket sales that a fan favorite like Manu already does.

As timvp said earlier, if the Spurs are overpaying now, they only have themselves to blame for it. He could been had for $10M/season earlier in the year.

[GSH]

I don't think there is another player in the league that is as much fun to watch. And he is one of the very few players that can truly put a team on his back and carry them to a W. I'm really glad he's coming back. I would love to know what he could have accomplished all these years as a full-time starter. I'm also glad he's getting a good payday. He's earned it. He'll be a part of San Antonio as long as he chooses to stay here.

That being said, I really hope he doesn't play summer ball. Even if he doesn't sustain an obvious injury doing it, the wear and tear takes a toll. And, like it or not, the years add up. He needs to take some rest between seasons.

[ElNono]

pretty spot on

We need a young big talented body and quick

Resigning Manu doesn't make that any less likely though.
I mean, the MLE is still there to go for a guy like Splitter.

[rascal]

If Team Z doesn't accept it, Player Y walks to Team X for absolutely nothing and Player Y's agent remembers Team Z screwing his client over, and steers his other players away from signing there. So, Team Z gets fucked twice.

No, Manu will not walk. Manu wanted to stay with san Antonio all along.

[rascal]

Resigning Manu doesn't make that any less likely though.
I mean, the MLE is still there to go for a guy like Splitter.

So Splitter is the answer to the frontline? This is a major concern with the spurs being stuck with little options other than Splitter
Big upgrade with an unproven big who could be no better than a low end role player in the NBA.

[Mel_13]

I guess the Spurs have no desire to remain competitive after this year :wow:(



You've danced and evaded, but never directly answered the question.

How does signing Manu make the Spurs less competitive next year?

[ajh18]

You pay for what a player will give you in the future, paying for past success will lead to failure.

Yeah, I'm so glad we signed C. Webb instead of Robinson in the summer of 2001... oh wait.

Is this high? Sure. Would he get more in the market? Definitely. For better or worse, the Spurs have a history of rewarding certain players for time served.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Tim extend for another year so the two contracts coincide. I dont think the Spurs had a better option than this. They couldnt trade for or sign a higher level guard than Manu, and this isnt the time to trade for picks.

[ajh18]

So Splitter is the answer to the frontline? This is a major concern with the spurs being stuck with little options other than Splitter
Big upgrade with an unproven big who could be no better than a low end role player in the NBA.

Also, I don't see how this is tied to re-signing Manu. We were'nt going to have cap space to sign any new big man, regardless. We could trade Manu/Parker or some package of players... but that's still an option. So I'm not really sure what difference any of this makes in regards to getting a big man.

[baseline bum]

No, Manu will not walk. Manu wanted to stay with san Antonio all along.

So Manu doesn't walk, but the Spurs sign and trade him? I don't get it.

[rascal]

I don't think there is another player in the league that is as much fun to watch. And he is one of the very few players that can truly put a team on his back and carry them to a W. I'm really glad he's coming back. I would love to know what he could have accomplished all these years as a full-time starter. I'm also glad he's getting a good payday. He's earned it. He'll be a part of San Antonio as long as he chooses to stay here.

That being said, I really hope he doesn't play summer ball. Even if he doesn't sustain an obvious injury doing it, the wear and tear takes a toll. And, like it or not, the years add up. He needs to take some rest between seasons.

I don't expect him to play this summer. He is having twins and will have his hands full. That will be his big excuse or reason to not play but he will probably also tell the spurs he will not be playing.

[vander]

Probably not, after the new CBA is worked out. If there is an MLE, than the Spurs still have it after signing Manu.

And I'd like to be able to crush a piece of coal in my hand and make it into a diamond. $7 million a year isn't going to happen with all the money out there this summer.

I didn't try to justify $40 million. I said keeping him was better than letting him walk for nothing.

So the Lakers suck? The Magic? The Cavs? The Nuggets? The Mavericks?

With the front office finding gems like Parker and Ginobili in the draft, I highly doubt that.

letting him walk for nothing is better for the future success of this team than signing him for 40 mil, that 40 mill will get us a couple extra wins next year, but in 2011/12 and 2012/13, it will destroy our ability rebuild, to sign players who are actually worth the money

who do the Lakers overpay? who have any of those teams overpaid? and how many of them have championships?
Lakers open the wallet for premium talent, not for nostalgia
Cavs and Magic are trying to keep top young talent from leaving, so over-paying now for a few guys to keep their Stars happy will pay off for them in the long run.
the Mavs continually spend as much as possible, and still no titles, even with a top all-time player in Dirk.
and the Nuggets have a better record than the Spurs, with a payroll 5 million less, right now, before Manu's contract even starts :lol if they resign Martin for 40 million, then they'll be as stupid as the Spurs and bad teams

nice try though

[ElNono]

So Splitter is the answer to the frontline? This is a major concern with the spurs being stuck with little options other than Splitter
Big upgrade with an unproven big who could be no better than a low end role player in the NBA.

It is what it is. They took a gamble on Dice and we'll see if it pays off this postseason. The reality though is that good big men don't grow on trees and that the next possibility of acquiring a relatively expensive big (somewhere around $15 million/season) would be when RJ's contract is expiring. None of that has really changed by resigning Manu.

[LOL@MavsFan]

Told ya fuckers!

[rascal]

So Manu doesn't walk, but the Spurs sign and trade him? I don't get it.

You said if the spurs don't accept some crappy offer from a team in a sign and trade than manu walks. I say he doesn't walk. The spurs will either like the sign and trade offer and he agrees to be traded for big money or he stays with the Spurs because what he really wants is to stay with the spurs but he will go if the spurs say they want to deal him.

[Brazil]

Resigning Manu doesn't make that any less likely though.
I mean, the MLE is still there to go for a guy like Splitter.

we agree on that, now I'm not sure Splitter is the answer.

tbh I was wondering myself if this couldn't lead to a parker trade. I mean the FO knows that we need a big body out there to keep on being competitive, the only valuable asset we have now is TP. :(

This is not what I want but I feel it's a possibility. I'm not smart enough to know if the probability of this possibility has increased or not after this signing but it's a concern.

[ElNono]

Lakers open the wallet for premium talent, not for nostalgia

Really? Can you tell me how much they're paying for the Walton/Vujacic/Fisher trio?

I guess you magic ball can also tell you Kobe will be worth the $30M they'll be paying him 3 years from now... :rolleyes

[ElNono]

You said if the spurs don't accept some crappy offer from a team in a sign and trade than manu walks. I say he doesn't walk. The spurs will either like the sign and trade offer and he agrees to be traded for big money or he stays with the Spurs because what he really wants is to stay with the spurs but he will go if the spurs say they want to deal him.

Why? He can just as easily become a free agent and decide then with other offers in hand...

[vander]

You've danced and evaded, but never directly answered the question.

How does signing Manu make the Spurs less competitive next year?

I have not, and you have changed the terms to next year. (signing Manu probably futilely helps us a little next year, but we won't be a contender anyways, so what's the point? 40 million for a few extra regular season wins in 2010/11)

How would signing Bonner for 3 years/30 million make the Spurs less competitive? If you can answer this question, than you have the answer to your own, if you cannot answer this question, then you obviously can not understand much of anything and I'm wasting my time responding to you

[rascal]

Why? He can just as easily become a free agent and decide then with other offers in hand...

He doesn't want to just leave. he would prefer to stay with the Spurs.

[ElNono]

we agree on that, now I'm not sure Splitter is the answer.

tbh I was wondering myself if this couldn't lead to a parker trade. I mean the FO knows that we need a big body out there to keep on being competitive, the only valuable asset we have now is TP. :(

This is not what I want but I feel it's a possibility. I'm not smart enough to know if the probability of this possibility has increased or not after this signing but it's a concern.

The question is who can be had and for how much. As seen this season and now the next few, the ownership is not afraid to go into lux tax territory if needed. The thing is, a lot of people have different ideas of what an actual upgrade looks like.