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Nbadan
04-10-2010, 01:28 PM
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So I hear from Yahoo! news that Newt Gingrich has informed us all that Obama is the "most radical president ever" and the mastermind of a "secular, socialist machine."

(I will pause while the Critique From The Left contingent convulses with bitter ironic laughter.)

You know what, Newt? STFU. You're done. You had nothing to offer but obstructionism and hatred back in the Clinton era and clearly not a single atom of your heart, mind, or hair has evolved in any way since then. (I suppose that is only to be expected, given your base's stance on that whole question.) All that bullshit you pulled out during the "Contract for America" days--or, as we old-timers used to call it, "The Contract On America"--well, you guys had 8 years to execute your master plan for the salvation of the United States of America and its collective soul under your idiot king George W. Bush. You guys happy with how that worked out? No? Well, a) you had your shot b) you blew it and c) wouldn't this maybe suggest to you that your master plan was a load of crap?

Still no, you say? Well, that's what the Bush administration years suggested to a lot of *other* Americans who used to think you were awesome.

So, you know, go ahead and spew what's in you all over whatever media outlets you can reach; but don't expect people to care. Cause all you've got to offer is the same shit that didn't work last time, and the only difference is that you're now 15 years older and less telegenic than you were when you first brought it forth.

While I'm on the subject: Karl Rove, do you *seriously* think anyone's going to buy your memoirs and read them thinking, "Ah, at last, the truth!"? Seriously now. In this economy, who's shelling out their hard-earned dough to pay for the kind of boldfaced lying we used to be able to get for free from you?

But you know what, Newt, go ahead and run. Cause the whole old-cranky-conservative with no new ideas thing worked out so well for you last time. Oh, sorry, I meant it worked out so well for *us.*

doobs
04-10-2010, 02:33 PM
Did Newt bring down the WTC?

doobs
04-10-2010, 02:36 PM
Are you the Plaid Adder? Or are you just a thief?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Plaid%20Adder/206

boutons_deux
04-10-2010, 02:51 PM
"most radical president ever" and the mastermind of a "secular, socialist machine."

Orwellian debasement of language. Fuckin Repugs and coservatives, teabaggers, will spout total shit fantasies.

Winehole23
04-10-2010, 03:11 PM
"most radical president ever" and the mastermind of a "secular, socialist machine."Obama shares his predecessor's radical views about the powers of his own office and even exceeds him at times. Obama also to seems take open-ended war and nation-building for granted like Bush. All that makes him pretty radical in my book, but I do realize my version of orthodoxy is no longer orthodox.

Winehole23
04-10-2010, 03:12 PM
To put things somewhat more conventionally, Obama is a pragmatic, establishmentarian centrist, not a fire-breathing commie.

Winehole23
04-10-2010, 03:12 PM
Further to the left than the GOP? Sure. But not by very much.

Winehole23
04-10-2010, 03:17 PM
Are you the Plaid Adder? Or are you just a thief?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Plaid%20Adder/206It's awfully nice of you to ask. Every just assumes Yoni is a thief for doing exactly the same thing.

Winehole23
04-10-2010, 04:40 PM
Further to the left than the GOP? Sure. But not by very much.Example: his version of socialized medicine is a massive sellout to the pharmaceutical lobby and insurance companies.

Winehole23
04-10-2010, 04:41 PM
By means of the shitty mandate, naturally.

Winehole23
04-10-2010, 04:42 PM
Obama swiped the Hilary/McCain scheme, after running against it.

EmptyMan
04-10-2010, 04:42 PM
You feel it don't you Dan


The Newt Train is coming!

Winehole23
04-10-2010, 05:07 PM
http://photo.accuweather.com/photogallery/2008/5/500/2d415a2bf.jpg

Yes. A toy train operating in a political blind alley.

Winehole23
04-10-2010, 05:07 PM
Choo, choo!

doobs
04-10-2010, 05:25 PM
Obama swiped the Hilary/McCain scheme, after running against it.

Are you talking about the individual mandate here? Was McCain ever in favor of that?

I may be wrong about this, but the only McCain healthcare idea that Obama partly adopted (after having opposed it during the campaign) was the elimination of the healthcare benefits exemption. Obama merely limited it to Cadillac plans. Say what you will about that idea, it's definitely not a sellout to the pharmaceutical lobby or the insurance companies.

doobs
04-10-2010, 05:28 PM
I really have no idea. I've heard some noise about how the individual mandate was a Republican idea. I know it wasn't part of the 2008 platform. But I wouldn't be surprised if McCain had flip-flopped along the way.

Winehole23
04-10-2010, 05:29 PM
He swiped features of both. Certainly Hilary and McCain didn't have the same scheme.

Winehole23
04-10-2010, 05:30 PM
Hilary had the mandate, McCain would've taxed the benefit.

EVAY
04-10-2010, 08:18 PM
to put things somewhat more conventionally, obama is a pragmatic, establishmentarian centrist, not a fire-breathing commie.

+1

Wild Cobra
04-11-2010, 10:25 AM
To put things somewhat more conventionally, Obama is a pragmatic, establishmentarian centrist, not a fire-breathing commie.
If you call hem a centrist, then you must be off the deep left edge.

Winehole23
04-11-2010, 10:29 AM
I guess you didn't notice I also called Obama radical upstream.

The center is radical now; the so-called right is even more radical.

rjv
04-12-2010, 09:43 AM
Obama shares his predecessor's radical views about the powers of his own office and even exceeds him at times. Obama also to seems take open-ended war and nation-building for granted like Bush. All that makes him pretty radical in my book, but I do realize my version of orthodoxy is no longer orthodox.

it makes him as radical as any president over the past 3 decades but no different.

admiralsnackbar
04-12-2010, 09:57 AM
it makes him as radical as any president over the past 3 decades but no different.

And far less "radical" than either Teddy or Franklin Delano R., both of whom ran progressive administrations, both of which were well-loved.

Winehole23
04-12-2010, 10:02 AM
With regard to executive power, there's a qualitative break after 9/11. That's what I was referring to.

rjv
04-12-2010, 10:03 AM
And far less "radical" than either Teddy or Franklin Delano R., both of whom ran progressive administrations, both of which were well-loved.

certainly far less progressive but i think obama has been just as imperialistic as teddy when it comes to foreign policy.

TeyshaBlue
04-12-2010, 10:18 AM
Are you the Plaid Adder? Or are you just a thief?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Plaid%20Adder/206

nbadan continues his practice of self-pwning. It's amazing...he apparently thinks he's the only person who can use teh google. :lmao

Hypocrisy rocks!:lol

admiralsnackbar
04-12-2010, 12:35 PM
certainly far less progressive but i think obama has been just as imperialistic as teddy when it comes to foreign policy.

Agreed -- but not moreso (at least not yet) was what I meant to emphasize.