Former Spur: Alonzo Gee

[Bruno]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_alonzo_gee.jpg
Born: May 29, 1987
Height: 6-6 / 1.98
Weight: 220 lbs. / 99.8 kg.
College: Alabama
Years Pro: R

Info (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/alonzo_gee/career_stats.html)

[Libri]

I don't much about him but I'm looking forward to seeing him during the summer.

[benefactor]

Good signing by the Spurs going into the summer. He has beasted with the Toros and looked pretty good in his time with Washington. He could wind up a pleasant surprise as a cheap role player next year.

[DesignatedT]

I like Gee a lot... more so than hairston IMO. He needs to get better on the defensive side of the ball though.

[SPURSCHAMP]

never seen him play

[DesignatedT]

Gee could be a piece in the rotation for us next season IMO. This guy keeps getting better and better. Spurs need to pick up the option on this guy.

[EricB]

Loved this signing. Went and watched him in Austin couple tomes. Athleticism is crazy off the charts. Great scorer defense is mediocre but hustles. Seems to have a bit of on court leadership to him. The night I was there so was RC Buford and quite a few plays literally made him say wow and at the end said and I quote "I love this kid's game"

[Manufan909]

It'd be awesome to have Gee and Hairston in the rotation, but it sounds like one will be cut or sent to the D-League. What's with O vs. D this offseason??? Hairston and Gee, Temple and Colo, can't we all just get along?:(

[EricB]

Can't have all rookie swingmen. Have to have a proven veteran out there that's reliable.

[Manufan909]

What are Manu, TP, Hill, and RJ, chopped liver? And I do realize not all 4 of those guys wil make it, I doubt Pop will even give 3 of them a chance, considering Splitter will also be new to the system. That might give Hairston and Temple an edge, since they've played a handful of NBA minutes.

[MaNu4Tres]

Love him Temple and Hairston. Really think 2 of them will break through Pop's stubborn barrier and contribute next year in a big way.

[ChumpDumper]

It will be interesting to see what happens if it becomes a choice between Gee and Hairston. Gee is much better overall offensively, but has yet to show any chops on defense. Hairston needs to develop something resembling handles if he is going to stick in the NBA.

[EricB]

I'd take gee. He's athletic enough that if taught defens he'd be decent. Offense IMO I harder to get and learn than defense

[DesignatedT]

he can definitely score. I really hope we pick up his option.

[coyotes_geek]

I could post this in any number of threads, but I'll use this one. I don't have a problem with bringing Gee back. Or Hairston. Or Temple. Or even Jerrells. Or even Mahinmi. However, I do have a problem with a roster that includes all of those guys because if a third of your roster is made up of d-leaguers, then you don't have a very good roster. At least two of those guys have got to go and need to be replaced with veterans.

[angelbelow]

I could post this in any number of threads, but I'll use this one. I don't have a problem with bringing Gee back. Or Hairston. Or Temple. Or even Jerrells. Or even Mahinmi. However, I do have a problem with a roster that includes all of those guys because if a third of your roster is made up of d-leaguers, then you don't have a very good roster. At least two of those guys have got to go and need to be replaced with veterans.

Well on paper thats true. But every situation is different. All 5 of those guys are very young and with hard work they can still make something of their nba career and become potential contributors in the future. They arent necessarily just dleaguers players with dleaguer potential.

[jesterbobman]

To go on CG's post, all 5 are fine individually, but keeping all 5 seems like a bad option. My semi-realistic dream would be based around Splitter 80% MLE, De Colo(20%), Bell(BAE), Draft George, S&T Mason with 49 to Minny for Sessions, and then possibly a Jefferson trade if his EC gets us something good.
Splitter/Blair
TD/Dyess
RJ/George/Bell
Hill/Manu
Parker/Sessions/De Colo

Doesn't leave room for all 5.

[Darkwaters]

To go on CG's post, all 5 are fine individually, but keeping all 5 seems like a bad option. My semi-realistic dream would be based around Splitter 80% MLE, De Colo(20%), Bell(BAE), Draft George, S&T Mason with 49 to Minny for Sessions, and then possibly a Jefferson trade if his EC gets us something good.
Splitter/Blair
TD/Dyess
RJ/George/Bell
Hill/Manu
Parker/Sessions/De Colo

Doesn't leave room for all 5.

:lol Who in there right mind would want Mason even at the minimum? Let alone in a S&T?

[BronxCowboy]

That one wouldn't even fly in a fantasy league.

[TimDunkem]

To go on CG's post, all 5 are fine individually, but keeping all 5 seems like a bad option. My semi-realistic dream would be based around Splitter 80% MLE, De Colo(20%), Bell(BAE), draft george, , S&T Mason with 49 to Minny for Sessions, and then possibly a Jefferson trade if his EC gets us something good.
Splitter/Blair
TD/Dyess
RJ/George/Bell
Hill/Manu
Parker/Sessions/De Colo

Doesn't leave room for all 5.
I'm sorry, but that's just stupid.

[ChuckD]

I think Hairston really needs to worry about his spot because of Gee. If AGee shows any three point ability on the NBA level, he may take Malik's spot.

I'm also quite tired of opposing guards and wings posting up our guys and being successful in either scoring or forcing a defensive rotation. Gee, as a former college PF, kind of solves that. Even NBA players might have a time moving him backwards into the paint.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Gee already has shown a three point ability at the NBA level -- as much as he could anyway. I do agree Gee might put Hairston on the bubble. Malik's only real advantage at this point is that Gee doesn't play good defense, but even that looked like it was changing at the end of the D-League season.

[MaNu4Tres]

I think Gee already has shown a three point ability at the NBA level -- as much as he could anyway. I do agree Gee might put Hairston on the bubble. Malik's only real advantage at this point is that Gee doesn't play good defense, but even that looked like it was changing at the end of the D-League season.

Neither of them will be on the bubble.

Like it was at the end of this year.

There will be a spot for both on the roster. IMO

[ChumpDumper]

Depends on what else happens in the offseason. I can see both being retained or neither. A Jefferson-for-multiple-guaranteed-contracts trade could boot them both, for example.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm a fan of both, so I hope they're both retained..I'm a big fan of athletic wing players that like to get to the basket and show strength..obviously it depends on an RJ trade, the draft, the potential signings of other vets, and the fact that neither guy might play well enough to earn it in SL and preseason..

Hairston's roadblock is that his ball-handling still severely limits him..obviously that should be his main priority to work on in the Summer..he isn't going to advance at all without improving those skills, so we'll see what happens..

I feel like he can be a legit rotation player if he improves that, but unfortunately, ball-handling is a lot more difficult to develop than most other aspects IMO..

Chump, did you see any improvement in his ball-handling from year 1 to year 2 in D-League, or was it mostly the same?..

[Darkwaters]

I personally think Gee will make the team and Hairston will not. I don't believe that we will have room for both. However, it is a long summer and there are some interesting variables in play this year especially.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't see a lot of improvement in Malik's handling, and the difference between his and Gee's handling is quite glaring, especially in traffic. The big knocks on Gee are very significant from the Spurs' point of view -- lack of defense and ballhogging -- but it seems both Gee and the Spurs want to work it out. Otherwise he would have finished the season in DC.

[coyotes_geek]

Well on paper thats true. But every situation is different. All 5 of those guys are very young and with hard work they can still make something of their nba career and become potential contributors in the future. They arent necessarily just dleaguers players with dleaguer potential.

Everyone in the d-league is young and works hard. So what makes Hairston, Gee & Temple more special than guys like Marcus Williams, Keith Langford, Desmond Farmer, Jeremy Richardson, Anthony Tolliver and James White? All those guys were young and worked hard too.

I know we all like to get excited about young players, but people need to remember that the d-league exists for players who aren't good enough to be in the nba. Yes there are examples of guys who do turn out to be contributors, but they're the rare exceptions. While it's certainly okay to use the last 2 or 3 spots on the roster to carry a couple of those guys who you think might become an exception you really don't want to be carrying any more than that because you're not going to be a very deep basketball team. If you go look at the rosters of the teams still left in the playoffs, you're not going to find too many Hairstons, Gees and Temples on their rosters.

I think the odds are good that the Spurs bring Mahinmi back for one more year. After that, pick one from Gee, Hairston, Temple & Jerrells and cut loose the rest. Between Hill, Blair, hopefully Splitter, the 1st round draft pick, Ian and whoever wins the Gee/Hairston/Temple/Jerrels sweepstakes that's PLENTY of youth for the Spurs to worry about developing.

[jesterbobman]

Yea I admit the Mason S&T is bad, but I think Sessions is generally undervalued, and depending on how the lottery plays out, I could see them trading him(If the get#1 and Wall, I'd guess someone out of Flynn, Rubio and Sessions will be traded, Sessions seems most likely, and a Mason EC package seems decent(If he returned to form, though a late pick to make it slightly more even(possibly add cash)

Back to Gee though: I'm definitely of the opinion that we keep those guys till training camp, and pick the 1/2 guys who will contribute the most or fill a whole. If de Colo doesn't come over, I'd say Temple has a pretty good shot, if he does It's more likely to be Gee/Hairston

[TD 21]

coyotes_geek, why would the odds of the Spurs bringing back Mahinmi for another year be good? I'd like to see him return, but there's no incentive for him to do so assuming Splitter signs. If he wasn't in the big rotation last season, why would he be next season, when the big rotation figures to be improved? I doubt he'd waste another year of his career riding the bench.

As much as he's got a lot of tools to be, at worst, a competent NBA big man, at some point he's going to have to be in a situation where he can show it. Otherwise, he'll be just another name in the long line of guys with NBA bodies who for what whatever reason didn't stick in the league.

As for Gee, he'll have a tough time sticking. Already the Spurs have Ginobili, Jefferson, Hill and Hairston on the wings. I expect them to bring in one veteran, such as Bell, Evans or Cook and to draft one of George, Pondexter, James, etc. Assuming they do this, they'd be well stocked on the wings and unless they decide to carry 14 or 15 players (given their already bloated payroll, I doubt it), he's not going to make the cut unless he blows them away in camp/preseason. The biggest thing he's got going for him is that he has another year of D-League eligibility.

[dbestpro]

Ian will not be back (his choice). Malik will not make the team (Spurs choice). Expect the Spurs to load up on outside shooters. As such Gee may not make the team, either.

[MaNu4Tres]

Ian will not be back (his choice). Malik will not make the team (Spurs choice). Expect the Spurs to load up on outside shooters. As such Gee may not make the team, either.

I'm willing to bet anything Malik and Gee will be on the team. Both have contracts that are bargains that go through 2012 (if options are picked up). And from what I'm aware of they love both players.

Spurs aren't going to get veteran happy and sign a bunch of vet minimum free agents that don't do much for the quality of the depth. Not only does it put double the vet minimum on the cap, but also causes conflicts within the locker room ( Mason, Finley, Bogans this past year for instance all wanted to play which made it harder to manage. Not only that, but it hindered opportunities for the young guys they believe in.)

Spurs are going to fill out the bottom of the roster with deals like Hairston and Gee's this time around. Time will show that.

As for Yanny, a lot of people may not believe Mahimni returning makes sense. But Mahimni and the Spurs have mutual respect amongst one another. More so than you believe.

Spurs took care of Mahimni 2 years he was injured and were by his side through all the tribulations he's been through. The Spurs coaches and organization have spent the past 5 years grooming him and being a father figure for the kid. He has the utmost respect for the organization and if they want him back I can almost guarantee Mahimni will be back.


If people think Mahimni will be put in the same role as this year think again. Duncan and McDyess' minutes will be monitored more than ever before, giving plenty of opportunity to Yan, Splitter and Blair.

[Blackjack]

I like what I'm hearing, 'Tres. :tu

Have you heard anything new lately or is this some older stuff that just left a pretty good, lasting impression on you?

[SenorSpur]

I'm willing to bet anything Malik and Gee will be on the team. Both have contracts that are bargains that go through 2012 (if options are picked up). And from what I'm aware of they love both players.

Spurs aren't going to get veteran happy and sign a bunch of vet minimum free agents that don't do much for the quality of the depth. Not only does it put double the vet minimum on the cap, but also causes conflicts within the locker room ( Mason, Finley, Bogans this past year for instance all wanted to play which made it harder to manage. Not only that, but it hindered opportunities for the young guys they believe in.)

Spurs are going to fill out the bottom of the roster with deals like Hairston and Gee's this time around. Time will show that.

As for Yanny, a lot of people may not believe Mahimni returning makes sense. But Mahimni and the Spurs have mutual respect amongst one another. More so than you believe.

Spurs took care of Mahimni 2 years he was injured and were by his side through all the tribulations he's been through. The Spurs coaches and organization have spent the past 5 years grooming him and being a father figure for the kid. He has the utmost respect for the organization and if they want him back I can almost guarantee Mahimni will be back.


If people think Mahimni will be put in the same role as this year think again. Duncan and McDyess' minutes will be monitored more than ever before, giving plenty of opportunity to Yan, Splitter and Blair.

Finally, some sound reasoning as to why the possible resigning of Ian would make sense for the club. :toast

[TD 21]

I'm willing to bet anything Malik and Gee will be on the team. Both have contracts that are bargains that go through 2012 (if options are picked up). And from what I'm aware of they love both players.

Spurs aren't going to get veteran happy and sign a bunch of vet minimum free agents that don't do much for the quality of the depth. Not only does it put double the vet minimum on the cap, but also causes conflicts within the locker room ( Mason, Finley, Bogans this past year for instance all wanted to play which made it harder to manage. Not only that, but it hindered opportunities for the young guys they believe in.)

Spurs are going to fill out the bottom of the roster with deals like Hairston and Gee's this time around. Time will show that.

As for Yanny, a lot of people may not believe Mahimni returning makes sense. But Mahimni and the Spurs have mutual respect amongst one another. More so than you believe.

Spurs took care of Mahimni 2 years he was injured and were by his side through all the tribulations he's been through. The Spurs coaches and organization have spent the past 5 years grooming him and being a father figure for the kid. He has the utmost respect for the organization and if they want him back I can almost guarantee Mahimni will be back.


If people think Mahimni will be put in the same role as this year think again. Duncan and McDyess' minutes will be monitored more than ever before, giving plenty of opportunity to Yan, Splitter and Blair.

Hairston would have to play his way off the team, Gee will probably need a strong camp to stick. Young guys they believe in? If they believed in them, they'd have played them more. The reality is their was ample opportunity to play Hairston and Mahinmi at least semi-consistently and they never did and for who? Minimal types such as Bogans and one dimensional types such as Bonner.

Mahinmi returning makes no sense from his perspective and if Splitter signs, as expected, then how exactly is he going to play more? This whole resting Duncan and McDyess more than ever before thing is idealistic, but it may not be realistic if this team is battling in the lower half of the West playoff picture all season. They can't afford to do that much and even if they do, that will just mean more minutes for Splitter, Blair and the fifth big (likely a shooter, since they're obsessed with shooting bigs and are devoid of one) in those games.

Mutual respect? The Spurs had that with Finley, how did that turn out? That has little to no bearing on this situation. It's about opportunity and it simply isn't going to be available on the Spurs if Splitter signs.

Took care of him? That was before they knew they had Blair, before Splitter was set to come over. Things have changed. Like I've said many times, I'm all for Mahinmi returning and I hope he does. I just don't see it making sense from his perspective.

[TD 21]

I'm with you on filling out the bench with young, cheap players. I definitely think that's the direction they're going. Pop basically admitted as much when he said that while they got younger and more athletic, probably not enough in either case.

A few days ago I said my gut feel is they'd probably sign Evans and I've said Cook (Brian) in the past to fill the Bonner role. But the more that I think about it, they'll probably steer clear of those types. Instead, I could see them signing Splitter, trading for Cook (Daequan), drafting an athletic SF in the 1st round and filling out the remaining spots with young guys who have been in the program in the past and potentially the 2nd round pick.

The Warriors will probably re-sign him, but if they don't, I could see Tolliver returning. There's not a ton of cheap, young, stretch four's available (and Tolliver's not exactly a knock down three point shooter himself), but that's the type of fifth big I presume they'll target.

I could see the only veterans on the team being Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Jefferson and McDyess.

[coyotes_geek]

coyotes_geek, why would the odds of the Spurs bringing back Mahinmi for another year be good? I'd like to see him return, but there's no incentive for him to do so assuming Splitter signs. If he wasn't in the big rotation last season, why would he be next season, when the big rotation figures to be improved? I doubt he'd waste another year of his career riding the bench.

What incentive there is for him to return depends on whether or not there's another team interested in him. I doubt there is. IMO the Spurs will be motivated to offer him a 1 year league min deal simply because they feel like they owe it to themselves to give the guy they used a 1st round pick on another chance to show something.


As much as he's got a lot of tools to be, at worst, a competent NBA big man, at some point he's going to have to be in a situation where he can show it. Otherwise, he'll be just another name in the long line of guys with NBA bodies who for what whatever reason didn't stick in the league.

It's in no way a given that at worst Ian is a competent NBA big man. At worst Ian is another name in the long line of guys with nba bodies who didn't stick in the league because they're just not very good basketball players. At some point people are just going to have to accept the possibility that Ian just might not be NBA material. Maybe I'm in the minority on this but I think the scenario where Ian just isn't good enough makes a hell of a lot more sense than the scenario where the Spurs, in dire need of an athletic big man, draft some can't-miss prospoect in the 1st round and then spend the next five years intentionally stunting his growth by not giving him an opportunity.


As for Gee, he'll have a tough time sticking. Already the Spurs have Ginobili, Jefferson, Hill and Hairston on the wings. I expect them to bring in one veteran, such as Bell, Evans or Cook and to draft one of George, Pondexter, James, etc. Assuming they do this, they'd be well stocked on the wings and unless they decide to carry 14 or 15 players (given their already bloated payroll, I doubt it), he's not going to make the cut unless he blows them away in camp/preseason. The biggest thing he's got going for him is that he has another year of D-League eligibility.

That's kind of what I'm thinking. Gee doesn't make the Spurs but ends up back in Austin.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm with you on filling out the bench with young, cheap players. I definitely think that's the direction they're going. Pop basically admitted as much when he said that while they got younger and more athletic, probably not enough in either case.

Now you are seeing the light :tu

Spurs are going this direction. Pop has never played rookies immediately over proven veterans. (Except in Duncan, Tony and Manu's case.)

Hell I take Manu back, it took Pop half a year to be comfortable giving Manu minutes his rookie year and this year the assistants had to convince Pop to give Blair playing time. Pop wasn't going to play Blair nearly as much as he did.

So for you to come to a consensus because, " Well Pop didn't play them over Bogans and Bonner so they are not better", is quite premature and silly for you to say.

Other examples I can point out.

- In the Summer of 2001, Spurs signed Stephen Jackson from the New Jersey Nets after he put up 8 points game on 43 % shooting and 34 percent from 3.
Pop didn't play Jackson til a year and a half later, even though Mike Brown had stated Jackson was the best wing they had in practices from 2001-2003. Go look back at the 2003 championship video if you don't believe me. In 2002, Stephen Jackson was in coat watching Steve Smith hobble around and Charles "Spiderman" Smith be as inconsistent as they come. That is how Pop works, he makes a young unproven kid earn his way on to the court over the course of time.

Another example I can use is Hill last year. Even after he survived being thrown in the fire after everyone was injured, Pop still was hesistant and went to Jacque Vaughn in crucial situations and the playoffs for crying out loud.

Just because Pop didn't play Hairston, Gee or Temple over Bogans. Or Mahimni over Bonner does not mean Pop thinks Bogans and Bonner are essentially better. Bogans and Bonner have just earned their stripes in the way Pop manages his team. Pop isn't like other coaches when it comes to throwing rookies into the fire no matter if they show they are more talented than the veterans filling out the roster. Part of that is because his teams are always in contention and he goes to proven commodities he can trust. It's Pop's way of doing things.

[Blackjack]

Pop isn't like other coaches when it comes to throwing rookies into the fire no matter if they show they are more talented than the veterans filling out the roster. Part of that is because his teams are always in contention and he goes to proven commodities he can trust. It's Pop's way of doing things.

First off, I agree with the whole take (imagine that :lol) and I hope Pop's seeing the light. :tu

But I wholeheartedly agree with that last point, and you hit the nail on the head.

Pop is nothing if not a player of the proverbial percentage. Whether it's defense, offense, personnel or anything else you can think of, it's all about controlling what you can control, limiting and/or eliminating mistakes, then living with the results. And when you've got a 50-plus win team out there and a proven triumvirate like the Big 3, it's not about developing the next star or role-player's game, it's about winning. It's about someone being capable of doing their specialized role on a night-in night-out basis and not so much about upside or potential. He wants to know what he has and he'd much rather have average play on a consistent basis then the hot and cold play of young, developing players.

But that time has gone. It was probably a time that never had to be. They need more from their supporting cast then ever before and because of their cap situation, they're going to have to develop their young, cheap talent over the course of the season and hope that their individual growth over that time gives them the means to have the type of bench that was mostly responsible for their exit against Phoenix. They need the internal growth.

Pop will enjoy spending time with The Coalition. We've got great party favors. :smokin

[MaNu4Tres]

First off, I agree with the whole take (imagine that :lol) and I hope Pop's seeing the light. :tu

But I wholeheartedly agree with that last point, and you hit the nail on the head.

Pop is nothing if not a player of the proverbial percentage. Whether it's defense, offense, personnel or anything else you can think of, it's all about controlling what you can control, limiting and/or eliminating mistakes, then living with the results. And when you've got a 50-plus win team out there and a proven triumvirate like the Big 3, it's not about developing the next star or role-player's game, it's about winning. It's about someone being capable of doing their specialized role on a night-in night-out basis and not so much about upside or potential. He wants to know what he has and he'd much rather have average play on a consistent basis then the hot and cold play of young, developing players.

But that time has gone. It was probably a time that never had to be. They need more from their supporting cast then ever before and because of their cap situation, they're going to have to develop their young, cheap talent over the course of the season and hope that their individual growth over that time gives them the means to have the type of bench that was mostly responsible for their exit against Phoenix. They need the internal growth.

Pop will enjoy spending time with The Coalition. We've got great party favors. :smokin

From what I've seen from H-G-T (Hairston/Gee/Temple), I really believe those three are more talented all around players than any of the three Bogans, Mason and Finley were last year. I just think they need time earning Pop's trust, much like Stephen Jackson did. Hopefully this past year and this summer do the trick.

The only way I'd go out and sign a veteran wing is if it's Raja Bell( maybe). Any other wing like Mo Evans for instance for the minimum wouldn't be worth hindering opportunities for HGT. Not to mention Mo Evans costing the Spurs 2.4 million on the cap oppose to the 1.5 million HGT each would cost. IMO There would be no drop-off in talent between HGT and the rest of the available wings for the minimum in free agency. Spurs know what they have and what they rather fill out there roster with. I think the writing was on the wall when they chose to go to the 4 non-gauranteed contract route for the next 3 years all making less than the veteran minimum. ( The first time the Spurs have ever done such.)


All in all, Spurs need to start surrounding the nucleus with youth. Times have changed ( Pop and R.C know this obviously from what they've said about still getting younger and giving out the non-guaranteed deals they did). Spurs can't get away with signing one-dimensional veterans around the Big 3 anymore. Like you said Blackjack Spurs need more all around players around the Big 3 now more than ever.

[Blackjack]

Yes, sir, and I think the acronym you were looking for was THG.

Yeah, I've already thought of it and the marketing: THG: Get Swole; THG: Performance Enhancement and on, and on, and on . . . :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Yes, sir, and I think the acronym you were looking for was THG.

Yeah, I've already thought of it and the marketing: THG: Get Swole; THG: Performance Enhancement and on, and on, and on . . . :lol

:lol THG is all good with me.

[Blackjack]

It's effective and undetectable ... so I've been told. :D

[Blackjack]

Oh, and let's not forget about Gee-Unit. If he makes the team we can't have him feeling left out. Haisrton's got THC , Temples got The Temple of Garrett and Gee will have Gee-unit -- it's only fair. :hat

[HarlemHeat37]

Centerpiece >>> all 3..

It really is a great nickname TBH..one of the highlights of the season this year IMO..

Pop really used the perfect word..what could have been better?..

[Blackjack]

That is a rather great point. It's science, really . . .

Centerpiece FTW :lol

[TD 21]

What incentive there is for him to return depends on whether or not there's another team interested in him. I doubt there is. IMO the Spurs will be motivated to offer him a 1 year league min deal simply because they feel like they owe it to themselves to give the guy they used a 1st round pick on another chance to show something.

Look at Mahinmi's physical tools, what he did in the D-League, the organization he's played for and the limited opportunity he's received. Put it this way, if a guy like Petro can continue to cling to a job in the league, then surely Mahinmi will be worth a look. He should have no trouble getting a job this summer. Did they owe it to Udrih? Mahinmi was drafted going on five years ago now. The fact that he was a 1st round pick is meaningless at this point. Like I keep saying, it's about opportunity and if, as I expect, it's not available on the Spurs, why would he re-sign?


It's in no way a given that at worst Ian is a competent NBA big man. At worst Ian is another name in the long line of guys with nba bodies who didn't stick in the league because they're just not very good basketball players. At some point people are just going to have to accept the possibility that Ian just might not be NBA material. Maybe I'm in the minority on this but I think the scenario where Ian just isn't good enough makes a hell of a lot more sense than the scenario where the Spurs, in dire need of an athletic big man, draft some can't-miss prospoect in the 1st round and then spend the next five years intentionally stunting his growth by not giving him an opportunity. I said he's got the physical tools to be at least competent, not that he already is. That's not to say he isn't either. It's tough to judge when we've seen so little of him on this level, particularly when it comes to playing meaningful minutes. I think he's definitely an NBA caliber player, though. With his physical tools and decent skill level.


That's kind of what I'm thinking. Gee doesn't make the Spurs but ends up back in Austin.I think Gee is 50/50 to make the Spurs (and if he does, I expect him to primarily spend the season with the Toros). If they draft a wing and acquire another one, as I expect, then they'll be well stocked on the wings, so it'll come down to whether they just don't want to lose his rights or not, but he'll probably need an very good-excellent camp to stick.


Now you are seeing the light :tu

I'm going by what Pop said. Personally, I'd like to see one at least semi-established wing brought in ahead of Hairston/Gee/1st round pick (assuming it's a wing). That way they'll still be opportunity for those players, but if they all flop they'll be another option as well.


this year the assistants had to convince Pop to give Blair playing time. Pop wasn't going to play Blair nearly as much as he did.The plan all along was for Blair to be in the rotation. Buford said as much in a radio interview after he was drafted, saying they expected him to play 20 mpg I believe. Opening night and maybe the first part of the season in general, Pop wanted to go with Ratliff, but I don't think he ever planned to do so throughout the entire season.


So for you to come to a consensus because, " Well Pop didn't play them over Bogans and Bonner so they are not better", is quite premature and silly for you to say.Only that's not at all what I said. This is: If they believed in them, they'd have played them more. The reality is their was ample opportunity to play Hairston and Mahinmi at least semi-consistently and they never did. If you're going to paraphrase someone don't use quotes and at least get the gist of what they said, as opposed to flat out making things up.


Other examples I can point out.

- In the Summer of 2001, Spurs signed Stephen Jackson from the New Jersey Nets after he put up 8 points game on 43 % shooting and 34 percent from 3.
Pop didn't play Jackson til a year and a half later, even though Mike Brown had stated Jackson was the best wing they had in practices from 2001-2003. Go look back at the 2003 championship video if you don't believe me. In 2002, Stephen Jackson was in coat watching Steve Smith hobble around and Charles "Spiderman" Smith be as inconsistent as they come. That is how Pop works, he makes a young unproven kid earn his way on to the court over the course of time.

Another example I can use is Hill last year. Even after he survived being thrown in the fire after everyone was injured, Pop still was hesistant and went to Jacque Vaughn in crucial situations and the playoffs for crying out loud.

Just because Pop didn't play Hairston, Gee or Temple over Bogans. Or Mahimni over Bonner does not mean Pop thinks Bogans and Bonner are essentially better. Bogans and Bonner have just earned their stripes in the way Pop manages his team. Pop isn't like other coaches when it comes to throwing rookies into the fire no matter if they show they are more talented than the veterans filling out the roster. Part of that is because his teams are always in contention and he goes to proven commodities he can trust. It's Pop's way of doing things.I'm not quite sure why you'd feel the need to give me a history lesson, as if I'm not a fan and don't know how Pop operates. The reality is Mahinmi and Hairston weren't really rookies, they had paid their dues long enough to be given a longer look, particularly when injuries struck and with flat out underwhelming performances of some of the veterans.

In Mahinmi's case, he never really moved ahead of anyone in the rotation or got a consistent look. When Bonner was out, Pop instead went to three bigs (even though he was managing minutes of two of them) and plenty of small ball over giving Mahinmi a look.

Hairston briefly passed, or at least was even with Mason in the rotation before his injury. Then in the playoffs, he wasn't even active, even though it was clear he was over his mild ankle sprain relatively quickly (just go back and watch the practice videos). Maybe Pop wanted another PG option with Temple early on because of Hill's ankle, but when it was clear that Hill was at full strength, there was no excuse.

[MaNu4Tres]

Look at Mahinmi's physical tools, what he did in the D-League, the organization he's played for and the limited opportunity he's received. Put it this way, if a guy like Petro can continue to cling to a job in the league, then surely Mahinmi will be worth a look. He should have no trouble getting a job this summer. Did they owe it to Udrih? Mahinmi was drafted going on five years ago now. The fact that he was a 1st round pick is meaningless at this point. Like I keep saying, it's about opportunity and if, as I expect, it's not available on the Spurs, why would he re-sign?

I said he's got the physical tools to be at least competent, not that he already is. That's not to say he isn't either. It's tough to judge when we've seen so little of him on this level, particularly when it comes to playing meaningful minutes. I think he's definitely an NBA caliber player, though. With his physical tools and decent skill level.

I think Gee is 50/50 to make the Spurs (and if he does, I expect him to primarily spend the season with the Toros). If they draft a wing and acquire another one, as I expect, then they'll be well stocked on the wings, so it'll come down to whether they just don't want to lose his rights or not, but he'll probably need an very good-excellent camp to stick.



I'm going by what Pop said. Personally, I'd like to see one at least semi-established wing brought in ahead of Hairston/Gee/1st round pick (assuming it's a wing). That way they'll still be opportunity for those players, but if they all flop they'll be another option as well.

The plan all along was for Blair to be in the rotation. Buford said as much in a radio interview after he was drafted, saying they expected him to play 20 mpg I believe. Opening night and maybe the first part of the season in general, Pop wanted to go with Ratliff, but I don't think he ever planned to do so throughout the entire season.

Only that's not at all what I said. This is: If they believed in them, they'd have played them more. The reality is their was ample opportunity to play Hairston and Mahinmi at least semi-consistently and they never did. If you're going to paraphrase someone don't use quotes and at least get the gist of what they said, as opposed to flat out making things up.

I'm not quite sure why you'd feel the need to give me a history lesson, as if I'm not a fan and don't know how Pop operates. The reality is Mahinmi and Hairston weren't really rookies, they had paid their dues long enough to be given a longer look, particularly when injuries struck and with flat out underwhelming performances of some of the veterans.

In Mahinmi's case, he never really moved ahead of anyone in the rotation or got a consistent look. When Bonner was out, Pop instead went to three bigs (even though he was managing minutes of two of them) and plenty of small ball over giving Mahinmi a look.

Hairston briefly passed, or at least was even with Mason in the rotation before his injury. Then in the playoffs, he wasn't even active, even though it was clear he was over his mild ankle sprain relatively quickly (just go back and watch the practice videos). Maybe Pop wanted another PG option with Temple early on because of Hill's ankle, but when it was clear that Hill was at full strength, there was no excuse.

Let time show you the light my friend.


I'll let time try to convince you because I obviously can't.

[TD 21]

Convince me of what? Hairston will probably get a legit opportunity next season, but the rest? I don't see it. I don't think Mahinmi will be back, I think Gee will be buried in the D-League and I think Temple will be firmly entrenched on the bench or in a suit. I could see them bringing back Tolliver, but only to be the fifth big, which means more often than not not in the rotation.

Hairston playing consistently depends on two things: 1) How much progress he makes with his catch-and-shoot jump shot, particularly the corner three and 2) Who the Spurs draft in the 1st round. I assume it'll be an SF, but if it's a raw player like George who might be a year away from contributing, then Hairston will probably play more often than not ahead of him. If it's a more experienced player like James, then it's 50/50.

[NewJerSpur]

Is Tolliver under contract with Golden State?

[TD 21]

No, he's not. He played well for them, so they'd probably want to re-sign him, but if healthy they have Biedrins, Randolph, Wright, Turiaf and Radmanovic signed. Granted, Randolph and Radmanovic can both play the three as well, but still, that's already five bigs. Plus Nelson loves to play small ball and, at this writing, they're projected to have the 4th pick in the draft, which means they'd most likely end up with either Cousins or Favors.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Spurs offer slightly more money than the Warriors or maybe one-two guaranteed seasons, something to lure him back into the organization. Similar to what they did with Gee.

[NewJerSpur]

He did play well for them. Golden State was pretty competitive with him in the lineup down the stretch so it'll be interesting to see what moves they do or don't make. I'm assuming now he's going to want to make sure he has a chance to see some minutes wherever he goes.

[TD 21]

I'm sure he will be. But a player like that who's had to scratch and claw just to get into the league, if he can make slightly above the minimum and/or get a guaranteed year or two (and in this case, go to a class organization that he knows well), he'd probably take that over staying with a lesser team like the Warriors. Like I said, at this writing, they figure to be well stocked on the front line.

As for the Spurs, they'll probably only have four other bigs and while he'd be the fifth one, two of their bigs are old and as we know, ideally they'd like to get them as much rest as possible. So they'll be a number of games where Tolliver should get solid minutes, so long as the team doesn't have a ton of injuries and isn't fighting for their playoff lives.

[DesignatedT]

Oh, and let's not forget about Gee-Unit. If he makes the team we can't have him feeling left out. Haisrton's got THC , Temples got The Temple of Garrett and Gee will have Gee-unit -- it's only fair. :hat

:lol

[NewJerSpur]

I'm sure he will be. But a player like that who's had to scratch and claw just to get into the league, if he can make slightly above the minimum and/or get a guaranteed year or two (and in this case, go to a class organization that he knows well), he'd probably take that over staying with a lesser team like the Warriors. Like I said, at this writing, they figure to be well stocked on the front line.

As for the Spurs, they'll probably only have four other bigs and while he'd be the fifth one, two of their bigs are old and as we know, ideally they'd like to get them as much rest as possible. So they'll be a number of games where Tolliver should get solid minutes, so long as the team doesn't have a ton of injuries and isn't fighting for their playoff lives.

It's an interesting quandry for a player no dought, especially in terms of the business side of the sport. Wonder if the Warriors think about shopping any of their bigs.

If he could consistently hit the outside jumper like they'd been anticipating back in '08-'09 when they brought him up, then I could finally see them passing on Bonner to bring him back.....beyond that I can see them bringing Matt back.

[TD 21]

It's doubt; not dought. If the Warriors draft either Cousins or Favors, I wouldn't be surprised if they move Wright. There's no way that with Biedrins, Turiaf, Randolph and one of Cousins or Favors, they have minutes for him. Also, that organization seems desperate to make some sort of big move, both figuratively and literally. If they aren't in position to draft one of those two bigs, then I could see them swinging some big, elaborate trade for an established big. Maybe Jefferson, for example.

Bonner will not be back if Splitter is signed and McDyess is retained. No way the Spurs are paying relatively significant money for him to be their fifth big and no way he, in the prime of his career, takes a reduced role and reduced money. I expect the Spurs to go with a younger player for at or near the minimum to fill the fifth big spot. With their obsession with having a stretch four and their familiarity with Tolliver, he just might be the guy. He's not a great or even a good shooter, but he can make shots and let's face it, the type of player I described, there's not a ton of them that are fifth bigs and minimum or near minimum type salary players.

[NewJerSpur]

Will be interesting to see. I wouldn't mind having a young player to add to the bigs, but that might be one too many with the only vets on the team being Tim and Dice. I think Bonner has shown enough in the regular season to make the FO consider bringing him back for the bare minimum, but I wouldn't count Tolliver out of the fold. He's proven he can slash as well.

Funny, while the rest of the world is waiting on LeBron's decision, we (as Spur fans) are all waiting to see what Splitter is going to do....outside of how he works out, so much hinges on his decision this offseason.

[MaNu4Tres]

Convince me of what? Hairston will probably get a legit opportunity next season, but the rest? I don't see it. I don't think Mahinmi will be back, I think Gee will be buried in the D-League and I think Temple will be firmly entrenched on the bench or in a suit. I could see them bringing back Tolliver, but only to be the fifth big, which means more often than not not in the rotation.



1- Hairston, Gee and Temple have about a 90 percent chance on being on the roster for next year. The only one they see having an outside chance on sticking is Jerrels, although they still like the way he progressed from the beginning of training camp throughout the D-League season.

2- Pop and R.C aren't infatuated with attaining a big that can shoot the three if Bonner is gone. Just because they've had one doesn't necessarily mean they'll dig to the bottom of the barrel to add one.( Tolliver/Cook).


3-Mahimni has a better chance being a Spur than you obviously think. You think Mahinmi will get offered a situation that gives him more opportunity. I agree to that to an extent. Although, I don't think there's a team out there that will offer him a starting job. Having said that now lets look at how many minutes most bench bigs play.( 12-20 minutes a night). Ok settled.

So if the organization that drafted him and groomed him with their very own personnel for 5 years offers him the same amount of money you don't think Mahinmi would resign? This is after R.C and the Spurs brass lays out the blueprint, which demonstrates to Yan how the opportunities will be there this year and especially next year when Dyess retires and even more so the following when Tim retires.

I'm telling you playing a guaranteed 15 minutes a night in a losing situation for the first year isn't going to completely sell Mahinmi over on a proposed 3-4 year deal worth the same money. Sorry it's not. R.C and the Spurs will make Ian more aware of the opportunity that will be present not only this season but the following seasons just incase TD 21's scenario plays and Duncan and McDyess play 35 minutes a night in order for Spurs staying afloat.

From feedback I've received I'd say 80% chance Mahinmi is brought back. He grew on Pop and R.C as the season went on, after they decided against his option. It was hard to gauge Mahimni being that his rookie season, Spurs were defending their title and were loaded in the front-court with Oberto/Elson(Kurt Thomas)/ Horry/Duncan and Bonner. And the following year he was hurt for the whole season. So for you to say he's had plenty of opportunity to break the rotation the past 3 years is silly.

This past season was essentially Mahinmi's rookie year and as weird as it may sound (with subtle clues i've recieved) Spurs wanted to keep his value as low as possible going into the summer. This can be a reason why he wasn't given more opportunities even though he was very productive in the minutes he recieved. The thing I do know for a fact is Pop and R.C are very high on him and want him to be a part of the Spurs organization for the long haul.

All in all Spurs want Mahinmi and Mahinmi's first option is to remain in San Antonio.(from a reliable source; not my opinion)

The only way I can see Mahinmi signing elsewhere is if its for more money than the Spurs are able to pony up.

[DesignatedT]

It's doubt; not dought. If the Warriors draft either Cousins or Favors, I wouldn't be surprised if they move Wright. There's no way that with Biedrins, Turiaf, Randolph and one of Cousins or Favors, they have minutes for him. Also, that organization seems desperate to make some sort of big move, both figuratively and literally. If they aren't in position to draft one of those two bigs, then I could see them swinging some big, elaborate trade for an established big. Maybe Jefferson, for example.

Bonner will not be back if Splitter is signed and McDyess is retained. No way the Spurs are paying relatively significant money for him to be their fifth big and no way he, in the prime of his career, takes a reduced role and reduced money. I expect the Spurs to go with a younger player for at or near the minimum to fill the fifth big spot. With their obsession with having a stretch four and their familiarity with Tolliver, he just might be the guy. He's not a great or even a good shooter, but he can make shots and let's face it, the type of player I described, there's not a ton of them that are fifth bigs and minimum or near minimum type salary players.

Maybe a corey maggette type package. after all we did want him a couple years back.. not sure how he would be any different than RJ though.

I agree with Bonner. I don't see him coming back if Splitter comes over. Tolliver played nice in Golden State, I doubt they let him just walk.

[Manufan909]

If THG is shortened by one letter, which one will be cut? All I can say is I believe Temple won't have to worry... unless Nando comes this summer, and/or the Spurs get a long SF in the draft. After being a Spurs fans since 05-06, the thought of so many young and exciting players on the team gives me a :smchode:.

And wtf is with this smiley??? :perv:

[SenorSpur]

3-Mahimni has a better chance being a Spur than you obviously think. You think Mahinmi will get offered a situation that gives him more opportunity. I agree to that to an extent. Although, I don't think there's a team out there that will offer him a starting job. Having said that now lets look at how many minutes most bench bigs play.( 12-20 minutes a night). Ok settled.

So if the organization that drafted him and groomed him with their very own personnel for 5 years offers him the same amount of money you don't think Mahinmi would resign? This is after R.C and the Spurs brass lays out the blueprint, which demonstrates to Yan how the opportunities will be there this year and especially next year when Dyess retires and even more so the following when Tim retires.

I'm telling you playing a guaranteed 15 minutes a night in a losing situation for the first year isn't going to win Mahinmi over on a proposed 3-4 year deal worth the same money. Sorry it's not. R.C and the Spurs will play out the future past the 2010/2011 NBA year, if for some reason your scenario plays out ( Duncan and McDyess having to play 35 minutes a night for Spurs being able to stay afloat).

I'd say 80 percent chance Mahinmi is brought back. He grew on Pop and R.C as the season went on, after they decided against his option. It was hard to gauge Mahimni being that his rookie season, Spurs were defending their title and were loaded in the front-court with Oberto/Elson(Kurt Thomas)/ Horry/Duncan and Bonner. And the following year he was hurt for the whole season. So for you to say he's had plenty of opportunity to break the rotation the past 3 years is silly.

This past season was essentially Mahinmi's rookie year and as weird as it may sound (with subtle clues i've recieved) Spurs wanted to keep his value as low as possible going into the summer. This can be a reason why he wasn't given more opportunities even though he was very productive in the minutes he recieved. The thing I do know for a fact is Pop and R.C are very high on him and want him to be a part of the Spurs organization for the long haul.

All in all Spurs want Mahinmi and Mahinmi's first option is to remain in San Antonio.(from a reliable source; not my opinion)

The only way I can see Mahinmi signing elsewhere is if its for more money than the Spurs are able to pony up.

As a Ian supporter, I'm extremely pleased to read this. As I've said all along, with the age in their frontline, the Spurs would be absolutely foolish to jettison a young, athletic, 23 year-old, center, with his skills, that has been immersed in their program for the past few years. Allowing this kid to walk would further create a even bigger potential hole on the frontline, whether Splitter arrives next season or not.

Having seen glimpses and flashes of Ian's talent this past season, there is just as much reason to envision him as part of the Spurs long-term future as Tiago Splitter. Frankly, I cannot see why the club or anyone else wouldn't be high on him. IMO, Ian did more in less time than Bonner did the entire season!

The thing I like most about him is that it appears that he has evolved into a low-post big, that sets up on the block, with his back to the basket and operates from there. I know he didn't have those instincts when they drafted him, but he seems to now. Other than Duncan, there isn't another player on the roster that can do that consistently. Blair tries, but he is simply too short to operate from the low-post against all teams.

I also like the notion of having him and Blair in the game at the same time, thereby spelling Duncan and Dice. They seem to have learned to play very well off one another. Furthermore, Ian provides much-needed size, length and athleticism to a frontline that has so little of each.

Finally, for those that have been clamoring for the Spurs to get rid of Ian, remember the Fakers, Jazz, Nuggets, Blazers and Mavs all have size on their frontline. They aren't likely to go away anytime soon. If the Spurs plan on remaining in contention in the competitive Western Conference, it is imperative that they have the roster versatility needed to match that level of frontline size and skill. Small-ball doesn't work against every opponent and Duncan desparately needs all the help that he can get. A possible future frontline of Duncan, Dice, Splitter, Blair and Ian would be ideal and one of the best in the conference.

There is absolutely no reason to allow another team to reap the benefits of the Spurs investment. Ian should be able to realize the full potential of his talent in a Spurs uniform. I, for one, hope it comes to fruition this summer, by way of a new contract for him.

[SenorSpur]

As for Gee, he'll have a tough time sticking. Already the Spurs have Ginobili, Jefferson, Hill and Hairston on the wings. I expect them to bring in one veteran, such as Bell, Evans or Cook and to draft one of George, Pondexter, James, etc. Assuming they do this, they'd be well stocked on the wings and unless they decide to carry 14 or 15 players (given their already bloated payroll, I doubt it), he's not going to make the cut unless he blows them away in camp/preseason. The biggest thing he's got going for him is that he has another year of D-League eligibility.

Which Cook are you referring to?

[admiralsnackbar]

What makes peole think we'd spend the better part of our MLE on somebody that was just as good as Mahinmi?

[DesignatedT]

What makes peole think we'd spend the better part of our MLE on somebody that was just as good as Mahinmi?

Are you talking about Gee? Spurs have an option that can be picked up on Gee so that wouldn't be applied against the MLE.

[admiralsnackbar]

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[The Truth #6]

Every year people want Pop to develop youth and he's yet to fully go this route. I'd like to see it this year for various reasons but I'll believe it when I see it. Pop is going to have to play some youth to save the Big 3 for the playoffs...but because we aren't as good a team anymore Pop ends up overplaying the vets to stay competitve. I expect the same pattern to continue this year. However there will be mire youth this year even if it's just to save money. And if there are less vets this could force Pops hand.

I think everyone wants/assumes Bogans will disappear this year but I thought he was still under contract. I'd rather buy out Bogans so new guys can play then trade RJ and end up with veteran stiffs that fill roster spaces.

[SenorSpur]

Pop can look toward the "Valley of the Sun" to see how masterfully Gentry developed and "extended" his bench. Gentry commanded their defensive mindset adn turned them loose. Now that results of that decision is payinig "HUGE" dividends.

[dbestpro]

1- Hairston, Gee and Temple have about a 90 percent chance on being on the roster for next year. The only one they see having an outside chance on sticking is Jerrels, although they still like the way he progressed from the beginning of training camp throughout the D-League season.

Hairston or Gee will be with the team, not both. The poor playoff shooting will make Hairston (poor shooter) a player we cannot afford, unless he can significantly improve his perimeter offense. Having said that, a few missed defensive assignments would make Gee the first cut of the regular season.
Mahinmi will not trust Pop to give him minutes. I just can't see Ian trusting Pop for minutes after this last season. Ian will most likely land to OKC.

The only player from the list that will start the season and have a chance to finish the season is Temple. His length, shot selection, defense, and disire to play within himself make him a Pop type player.

[MaNu4Tres]

Hairston or Gee will be with the team, not both. The poor playoff shooting will make Hairston (poor shooter) a player we cannot afford, unless he can significantly improve his perimeter offense. Having said that, a few missed defensive assignments would make Gee the first cut of the regular season.
Mahinmi will not trust Pop to give him minutes. I just can't see Ian trusting Pop for minutes after this last season. Ian will most likely land to OKC.

The only player from the list that will start the season and have a chance to finish the season is Temple. His length, shot selection, defense, and disire to play within himself make him a Pop type player.

That is your opinion.

Well see who's opinion becomes valid in time.

I never agree with any of your takes and this just keeps that consistency going. So we are on the same page with that.

Just know Spurs only have 7 guaranteed salaries going into next year.

It will be 9 if Splitter is signed as well as the 20th pick.

Spurs won't have a lot of room to make additions to the 10th-13/15th spots on the roster...Remember that.

[Blackjack]

I never agree with any of your takes and this just keeps that consistency going. So we are on the same page with that.

Amazing how 'Tres always manages to find common ground. :lol

[TD 21]

Will be interesting to see. I wouldn't mind having a young player to add to the bigs, but that might be one too many with the only vets on the team being Tim and Dice. I think Bonner has shown enough in the regular season to make the FO consider bringing him back for the bare minimum, but I wouldn't count Tolliver out of the fold. He's proven he can slash as well.

Funny, while the rest of the world is waiting on LeBron's decision, we (as Spur fans) are all waiting to see what Splitter is going to do....outside of how he works out, so much hinges on his decision this offseason.

It's clear the Spurs want to continue to get younger, so having two veteran bigs is enough at this point. Bonner is gone unless Splitter doesn't sign, or, if he did sign, McDyess were traded. Short of that, they're not paying Bonner around what he's currently making to be the fifth big. The payroll is already bloated. He's in the prime of his career, so I doubt he'd accept a reduced role/significantly reduced salary. I expect the fifth big to make at or near the minimum.

Agreed.


1- Hairston, Gee and Temple have about a 90 percent chance on being on the roster for next year. The only one they see having an outside chance on sticking is Jerrels, although they still like the way he progressed from the beginning of training camp throughout the D-League season.

2- Pop and R.C aren't infatuated with attaining a big that can shoot the three if Bonner is gone. Just because they've had one doesn't necessarily mean they'll dig to the bottom of the barrel to add one.( Tolliver/Cook).


3-Mahimni has a better chance being a Spur than you obviously think. You think Mahinmi will get offered a situation that gives him more opportunity. I agree to that to an extent. Although, I don't think there's a team out there that will offer him a starting job. Having said that now lets look at how many minutes most bench bigs play.( 12-20 minutes a night). Ok settled.

So if the organization that drafted him and groomed him with their very own personnel for 5 years offers him the same amount of money you don't think Mahinmi would resign? This is after R.C and the Spurs brass lays out the blueprint, which demonstrates to Yan how the opportunities will be there this year and especially next year when Dyess retires and even more so the following when Tim retires.

I'm telling you playing a guaranteed 15 minutes a night in a losing situation for the first year isn't going to completely sell Mahinmi over on a proposed 3-4 year deal worth the same money. Sorry it's not. R.C and the Spurs will make Ian more aware of the opportunity that will be present not only this season but the following seasons just incase TD 21's scenario plays and Duncan and McDyess play 35 minutes a night in order for Spurs staying afloat.

From feedback I've received I'd say 80% chance Mahinmi is brought back. He grew on Pop and R.C as the season went on, after they decided against his option. It was hard to gauge Mahimni being that his rookie season, Spurs were defending their title and were loaded in the front-court with Oberto/Elson(Kurt Thomas)/ Horry/Duncan and Bonner. And the following year he was hurt for the whole season. So for you to say he's had plenty of opportunity to break the rotation the past 3 years is silly.

This past season was essentially Mahinmi's rookie year and as weird as it may sound (with subtle clues i've recieved) Spurs wanted to keep his value as low as possible going into the summer. This can be a reason why he wasn't given more opportunities even though he was very productive in the minutes he recieved. The thing I do know for a fact is Pop and R.C are very high on him and want him to be a part of the Spurs organization for the long haul.

All in all Spurs want Mahinmi and Mahinmi's first option is to remain in San Antonio.(from a reliable source; not my opinion)

The only way I can see Mahinmi signing elsewhere is if its for more money than the Spurs are able to pony up.

1. Again, tell me something I don't know. I know those guys will probably all make the team, but as far as being in the rotation and playing at least semi-consistently, Hairston is probably the only one with a realistic chance.

2. Are you sure they're not infatuated with stretch four's? Because their history suggests they are and Buford talked about this team's shooting slipping from their championship years. Bonner is their best three-point shooter and I have a hard time seeing them allowing him to leave without finding some type of replacement.

3. Based on what? You seem to be offering your opinion off as fact, as if it has any more validity than mine. Mahinmi definitely won't get a starting job, but there's plenty of teams where he could potentially crack their rotation, which if Splitter is signed isn't happening with the Spurs. Nothing is settled, once again passing your opinion off as fact.

You're thinking from your perspective, because you want him to stay. I presume from his perspective, he wants to play and establish himself in the league at this point; not wait another year or two to do so. When McDyess goes, I expect his spot to be filled with a shooter -- at least one capable of making mid range jumpers.

There's no way you'd know that for fact. 3-4 years? No chance the Spurs give him that type of guarantee. I don't doubt that they probably want to retain him, but I also don't think they're nearly as infatuated with him as you are. That's not my scenario, but it's possible, because that's how last season played out. 35 mpg for Duncan and McDyess? Never said that, what I said was they may not be able to take games off if the Spurs are fighting for their playoff lives.

What feedback have you received? You just flat out make things up. I never said he had plenty of opportunity to play, but if they liked him that much he should have played. It's not like the Spurs were loaded in the front court this past season, yet he still couldn't get on the court. They opted to go down to 3 bigs (while managing 2 of their minutes) with Bonner out, rather than to play Mahinmi, despite the fact that he was in his walk year and they supposedly wanted to get a look at him the season before. That was telling. The Spurs desperately needed a big with his physical tools, yet he didn't even get a look outside of playing against a few bottom feeders/garbage time.

I don't buy that reasoning. They were trying to win as many games as possible, lessen the load on Duncan (presumably) and win a championship. If they thought he could help in any of those areas, he'd have played more, even if it meant that they had to pay him more this summer. It's not like he was ever going to break the bank anyway. By the way, I'm not saying I agree with them that he couldn't have helped. I was like most fans and wanted to see him get a chance, but he didn't and that was telling.

I don't doubt that the Spurs want to re-sign him and that it's his first option...just like it would be Mason's (his words) if the opportunity were going to be there. It isn't going to be in the case of either. I hope I'm wrong about this, like I've said a million times to you, I want to see him re-signed, I just don't see it happening.


Maybe a corey maggette type package. after all we did want him a couple years back.. not sure how he would be any different than RJ though.

I agree with Bonner. I don't see him coming back if Splitter comes over. Tolliver played nice in Golden State, I doubt they let him just walk.

When I say big trade, I don't see it occurring with the Spurs.

Like I said, the Warriors probably want to re-sign him, but they figure to be fairly well stocked in the front court. If the Spurs offer him slightly more money or guarantee him for a season or two, I could see him signing.


Which Cook are you referring to?

Daequan. Eminently available, because the Heat are desperate to clear as much cap space as possible and he fell out of favor last season. $2.16 guaranteed for next season, then a team option for over $3 million the following season. Young, athletic, affordable and shot it well from three two seasons ago. I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs took a flier on him to see if he could fill the wing (though he's really strictly a two) shooter off the bench role.

[MaNu4Tres]

3. Based on what? You seem to be offering your opinion off as fact, as if it has any more validity than mine. Mahinmi definitely won't get a starting job, but there's plenty of teams where he could potentially crack their rotation, which if Splitter is signed isn't happening with the Spurs. Nothing is settled, once again passing your opinion off as fact.

You're thinking from your perspective, because you want him to stay. I presume from his perspective, he wants to play and establish himself in the league at this point; not wait another year or two to do so. When McDyess goes, I expect his spot to be filled with a shooter -- at least one capable of making mid range jumpers.

There's no way you'd know that for fact. 3-4 years? No chance the Spurs give him that type of guarantee. I don't doubt that they probably want to retain him, but I also don't think they're nearly as infatuated with him as you are. That's not my scenario, but it's possible, because that's how last season played out. 35 mpg for Duncan and McDyess? Never said that, what I said was they may not be able to take games off if the Spurs are fighting for their playoff lives.

What feedback have you received? You just flat out make things up.


:lol


Let's just see how things play out.

[The Truth #6]

Tres,

It sounds like you're saying you have sources in the organization. So what have you heard about Parker and the trade rumors?

As for Ian, I cynically thought he wasn't resigned so they could lower his value. If that's true, it's "savvy" on one hand but just stupid in another way. We're trying to win a championship, not establish our frontcourt for the apocalyptic post TD era.

[SenorSpur]

It sure does sound like Tres has some sources inside the org. I certainly wont ask him to give those up. I'll just accept the notion that perhaps there is a good chance that Ian will be resigned. It simply makes no sense not to. There is certainly a place for him here. Hopefully, the FO is as optimistic about him as some of us.

Bonner. on the other hand, has worn out his welcome and hopefully they will let him walk.

[MaNu4Tres]

It sure does sound like Tres has some sources inside the org. I certainly wont ask him to give those up. I'll just accept the notion that perhaps there is a good chance that Ian will be resigned. It simply makes no sense not to. There is certainly a place for him here. Hopefully, the FO is as optimistic about him as some of us.

Bonner. on the other hand, has worn out his welcome and hopefully they will let him walk.


Nothing is ever guaranteed in the business of sports, no matter the intentions on both sides. Opportunities can arise that weren't there before, whether if its a trade proposal or a draft pick falling significantly. But a family friend of ours is as you would say sorta tied in the organization.

Although, about a month ago when I was visiting family in SA( I reside in Houston), I had a conversation with him about Mahinmi ( I'm lucky if I get to talk to him once every 2 months). I was just curious what they thought about Yan, since he performed every time he played. And that's when he told me some of the things I've shared above. Now he didn't get into detail about all the things I've shared above, but with what he said it was relatively easy enough for me to dissect into the information I've shared. With what he said, I'm pretty confident Mahinmi will be retained for the future to grow with the young guys Blair, Hairston, Hill, Gee, Temple for next year and the following years.

Only time will really tell, but obviously I'm more confident than a lot on this board about Mahinmi being resigned.

[MaNu4Tres]

Tres,

It sounds like you're saying you have sources in the organization. So what have you heard about Parker and the trade rumors?


:lol

Sources? No

A source? Kind of

Kind of because I don't talk to him on a regular basis. When I'm in town I have a better chance in asking him certain things. About Parker I have no idea.

My guess is Spurs will take calls from teams wanting Parker and see if any deal out there is relevant enough on the Spurs side to seriously consider.( Most likely this won't be the scenario.) IMO I don't think Spurs want to get rid of Parker, but if a deal comes up that can't be turned down and makes the Spurs better now and for the future I'm sure they will consider it.

[Blackjack]

'Tres is legit, y'all. :tu

The little bit of inside info he's shared over the last year or so has been on point and he's got a good head on his shoulders -- he may not know exactly what's going on but as far as most of the speculation you see here and other places ... he's definitely someone I've come to trust and respect.

I'm not one-hundred percent sure if his percentages on Mahinmi coming back and the prospects of THG are extremely accurate, but I hope they are and it definitely gives me more hope to hear him so confident.

Just my opinion . . .

[SenorSpur]

Nothing is ever guaranteed in the business of sports, no matter the intentions on both sides. Opportunities can arise that weren't there before, whether if its a trade proposal or a draft pick falling significantly. But a family friend of ours is as you would say sorta tied in the organization.

Although, about a month ago when I was visiting family in SA( I reside in Houston), I had a conversation with him about Mahinmi ( I'm lucky if I get to talk to him once every 2 months). I was just curious what they thought about Yan, since he performed every time he played. And that's when he told me some of the things I've shared above. Now he didn't get into detail about all the things I've shared above, but with what he said it was relatively easy enough for me to dissect into the information I've shared. With what he said, I'm pretty confident Mahinmi will be retained for the future to grow with the young guys Blair, Hairston, Hill, Gee, Temple for next year and the following years.

Only time will really tell, but obviously I'm more confident than a lot on this board about Mahinmi being resigned.

Fair enough. That's good enough for me. After reading your tidbits, I have a new sense of optimism about Ian. Because the Spurs have been somewhat, and I would deliberately. mum about him, it's good to hear some inside information. This is also consistent with the optimistic comments Sean Elliott has periodically stated "on-air" about him. Elliott usually factors Ian in as part of the future frontline of the Spurs - along with Blair.

Thanks for sharing this bit of inside information. :tu

[dbestpro]

That is your opinion.

Well see who's opinion becomes valid in time.

You may be right. That is why it is an opinion. If you are it just gives more reasons to not buy season tickets for next year.

[MaNu4Tres]

You may be right. That is why it is an opinion. If you are it just gives more reasons to not buy season tickets for next year.

So you won't buy season tickets because the presumed guys 10-15 on the roster will all have something to do with the future?

:lol

Will the resigning of Bogans, Mason, Bonner and Finley make you feel better?

[dbestpro]

So you won't buy season tickets because the presumed guys 10-15 on the roster will all have something to do with the future?

:lol

Will the resigning of Bogans, Mason, Bonner and Finley make you feel better?

If I want to see D-league level play I'll go to Austin. If I want to see a washed up player I'll come over to your house.

[benefactor]

If I lived in SA I would buy season tickets every year...no matter who was on the roster.

[MaNu4Tres]

If I want to see D-league level play I'll go to Austin.


Finally you make some sense!! I was worried there bud..

You are right. Duncan, Manu, Parker, Jefferson, McDyess, Hill, Blair and possibly Splitter aren't going to ever play.

:lol

Good god.

[My Fault]

If I lived in SA I would buy season tickets every year...no matter who was on the roster.

Thus the difference between a true fan and a bandwagon one.

[SenorSpur]

If I lived in SA I would buy season tickets every year...no matter who was on the roster.

So would I. It'd be more expensive than NBA League Pass, but what the hell?

[Bruno]

Even if Spurs have until the end of training camp to decide or not who to keep among Jerrels, Hairston, Gee and Temple, they must made an evaluation of the group before July 1st.

Last year, Hairston was buried in the depth chart because Spurs have a lot of vets at his spot. If they are high on this group of players, Spurs should decide not to go after too much vets. Spurs have 4 perimeter players under guaranteed contracts next year (Parker, Hill, Ginobili and Jefferson). If they add only one vet, there will have some playing time available for young players. If they add 2 vets, it will be more complicate for them.

I can see Hairston and Gee fighting for one spot (especially if Spurs draft a SF), Spurs can wait until November to pick the winner but they had to decide what role will have this winner before July. That's a complicate situation.

[dbestpro]

Thus the difference between a true fan and a bandwagon one.

I use to say that too when I was a pup. Now that I am older I have learned to expect a return on my investment.

[MaNu4Tres]

I use to say that too when I was a pup. Now that I am older I have learned to expect a return on my investment.

Yeap and you won't get it unless Bogans, Mason and Finley are the 10th-11th-12th guys on the roster.

[SenorSpur]

Yeap and you won't get it unless Bogans, Mason and Finley are the 10th-11th-12th guys on the roster.

How about gone alltogether?

[MaNu4Tres]

How about gone alltogether?

:lol I was being sarcastic.

dbestpro has been saying he rather get season tickets for the Toros if young guys are going to round out the roster for the Spurs next year.

[dbestpro]

I am no fan of Finley, Mason or Bogans either.

[yourtehclay]

Here we are, 4 months later.

It looks to me like Gee has a real shot at taking some minutes as the backup 3. Physically, he should be more than capable.

With how the offseason has panned out, how do you rate Gee's standing on this roster.
I think he's in an excellent position as the Spurs haven't signed any veteran small forwards and the other guards don't duplicate his skillset.

[ChuckD]

I use to say that too when I was a pup. Now that I am older I have learned to expect a return on my investment.

There's a time and place for ROI, but being a true sports fan isn't it.

[ChuckD]

Gee reminds me of a slightly taller, much younger, better shooting version of Devin Brown. I like his chances.

[DPG21920]

Gee is not a very good shooter.

[ChuckD]

Gee is not a very good shooter.

??

Shot .393 from 3 in the d-league, and unlike Hairston, actually translated it into the NBA with a ridiculous 78% (7/9) in an 11 game audition with the Wiz. He has more makes in 11 games and three less attempts than Hairston had in 62 games. Not scared to shoot is a good quality for a prospective Spurs wing player to have.

[DPG21920]

He is not a good shooter, this is a well known fact. That does not mean he can never shoot it, it just means it is a known flaw in his game. That ridiculously small sample size is not enough to prove otherwise.

Did you watch any of the Summer League? He is primarily a slasher. If he can consistently hit the 3, he will have a very good shot at sticking.

[ChuckD]

The NBA sample is small, but not the d-league .393.

Did you watch George Hill's rookie SL? SL means shit. Maybe they fucking TOLD Gee not to shoot, but to drive to see what he had.

Give me an 11 game REAL NBA audition, any day. The shot sample was small, but outstanding. The d-league shooting over 36 games was pretty damned good, too.

[DPG21920]

Malik was a great DL 3-PT shooter. It does not always translate. Things are different down there.

It is widely known that Gee is not a good shooter at this point in time. He might have shown some small flashes, but that is certainly not a strong point.

[DPG21920]

Gee's jump shot is still a work in progress, but it appears to be improved from what we saw at Portsmouth eight months ago, as he looked smooth hitting some mid-range jumpers here, even pulling up on occasion. He lacks range on his shot in a major way, though, which is probably one of the biggest things holding him back from getting called up at this point, as he’s made just 2-7 attempts from beyond the arc on the season, and wasn’t a very prolific long-range shooter in college either.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Alonzo-Gee-1227/#ixzz10fDhhWzv
http://www.draftexpress.com

[DPG21920]

:lol No. But I hope he keeps working on it. He is not absolutely terrible, but like I said, he is not known for shooting. Especially from deep.

[ChuckD]

Malik was a great DL 3-PT shooter. It does not always translate. Things are different down there.
Yeah, Malik sucks. Doesn't really have anything to do with Gee, though. Two different players. The NBA stage was obviously too big for Malik. Doesn't seem to be the case for Gee.


It is widely known that Gee is not a good shooter at this point in time. He might have shown some small flashes, but that is certainly not a strong point.

I don't think that's widely known at all. Bringing up his collegiate DX profile is even less relevant than some of the other stuff you posted. He's not that player any more. He's shooting a better percentage from a further distance in both the d-league and NBA than his best year in college.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, Malik sucks. Doesn't really have anything to do with Gee, though. Two different players. The NBA stage was obviously too big for Malik. Doesn't seem to be the case for Gee.

CROFL. This logic is stupid. Keep clinging to your 9 game sample size.




I don't think that's widely known at all. Bringing up his collegiate DX profile is even less relevant than some of the other stuff you posted. He's not that player any more. He's shooting a better percentage from a further distance in both the d-league and NBA than his best year in college.

Except that it is widely known. For people who actually follow him and watch him play and don't just Google NBA box scores to make their point.

Also, the link I provided was from his DL time last year, not college.

[ChuckD]

CROFL. This logic is stupid. Keep clinging to your 9 game sample size.


Again, small sample size, but CLEARLY differentiates him from Malik, who essentially did nothing from 3 in a 62 game trial. Obviously the Spurs were impressed by it. They signed him for the year before he could even remove his Wiz jersey. Yeah, crofl Spurs.



Except that it is widely known. For people who actually follow him and watch him play and don't just Google NBA box scores to make their point.

Also, the link I provided was from his DL time last year, not college.

You watching a couple of games where maybe he missed threes doesn't erase a fine season. Sorry you didn't get your money's worth for the games you watched. Doesn't make him a sketchy shooter.

Maybe you provided multiple links, because one of them definitely went back to his DX profile. If you linked to his d-league profile too, well, that just supports my position.

[DPG21920]

Ok, you keep your position that he is a good shooter. I will stick to the correct position, which is he is not known for being a good shooter, especially from distance at this point in his career.

[TimDunkem]

lol @ Gee being a good shooter. I remember him airballing a shitload of open jumpers in the Summer League.

[ChuckD]

lol @ Gee being a good shooter. I remember him airballing a shitload of open jumpers in the Summer League.

I remember George Hill shooting like 5% in Summer League. Great barometer of future success.

[TimDunkem]

I remember George Hill shooting like 5% in Summer League. Great barometer of future success.
Not of future success, but right now he's just not a good shooter. It's a fact...Not that it doesn't mean he shouldn't get his chance to make an impact.

[ChuckD]

Not of future success, but right now he's just not a good shooter. It's a fact...Not that it doesn't mean he shouldn't get his chance to make an impact.

How is a poor SL shooting performance a better indicator than an entire d-league season + an NBA callup? As DPG would day, it's too small a sample.

[TimDunkem]

Then by that logic, how does Malik suck? He played well in the SL, D-League, pre-season, and in a couple of games during the regular season.

SL was Gee's his most recent performance, and a lot of his jumpers were wide open. Let's just call him inconsistent...Hopefully he'll get some meaningful minutes this season and prove me otherwise.

[TD 21]

Here we are, 4 months later.

It looks to me like Gee has a real shot at taking some minutes as the backup 3. Physically, he should be more than capable.

With how the offseason has panned out, how do you rate Gee's standing on this roster.
I think he's in an excellent position as the Spurs haven't signed any veteran small forwards and the other guards don't duplicate his skillset.

He definitely has a shot at backup three minutes, but I think he'll primarily be the thirteenth man.

I suspect Anderson and Ginobili will play the vast majority of the backup three minutes and the leftover perimeter minutes to go to either Temple or Neal, with Temple having the edge because he's a better defender.


Gee reminds me of a slightly taller, much younger, better shooting version of Devin Brown. I like his chances.

From the build to the slashing ability, Gee reminds me of Maggette.

Like Maggette, despite the fact that he's "only" 6-6, because of his strength and his mediocre handle, I suspect his primary position will ultimately be SF and on this team, strictly SF.

[ohmwrecker]

From the build to the slashing ability, Gee reminds me of Maggette.

Like Maggette, despite the fact that he's "only" 6-6, because of his strength and his mediocre handle, I suspect his primary position will ultimately be SF and on this team, strictly SF.

I like the comparison, physically. He is obviously less talented and skilled as Maggette, but skill sets are similar. Most importantly, he is probably not as much of a ball hogging idiot as Maggette.

There's no point in bringing up Hairston in this conversation. The Spurs made their choice. They like Gee better. They are probably right.

[ChuckD]

Then by that logic, how does Malik suck? He played well in the SL, D-League, pre-season, and in a couple of games during the regular season.

Are you forgetting 62 NBA games over 2 seasons? That's a pretty good sample size, and he shot 16.7%. That's pretty sucky, and in games that mean something.

Come at me with "Malik can't shoot" and I've got your back. Come at me with "Gee can't shoot", and you have an argument on your hands. The numbers don't support you.

[TimDunkem]

He took 12 threes....Talk about a small sample size. :lol

[TD 21]

I like the comparison, physically. He is obviously less talented and skilled as Maggette, but skill sets are similar. Most importantly, he is probably not as much of a ball hogging idiot as Maggette.

There's no point in bringing up Hairston in this conversation. The Spurs made their choice. They like Gee better. They are probably right.

I don't know that they made their choice, so much as Hairston got a guaranteed contract and obviously felt that he couldn't pass it up.

Had he stayed, I suspect Hairston would have beat Gee out for a spot, though. Not only because the Spurs had spent two years developing him and he had two years playing in a similar system, but because he had more of a defensive mindset.

Gee may very well be the more talented player of the two, but I felt Hairston was a better fit for the Spurs at this time.

[Cane]

Malik looked lost and sort of dumb on the court, hopefully Gee doesn't have that problem.

[ChuckD]

He took 12 threes....Talk about a small sample size. :lol

Hairston took only 12 threes in 62 fucking games. If it's a small sample it's his own fault. He was in an offense that lives on the three ball. Gee took 9 in 11 NBA games. Don't you think that shows something? A willingness to put it on the line? A lack of fear?

[TimDunkem]

Hairston took only 12 threes in 62 fucking games. If it's a small sample it's his own fault. He was in an offense that lives on the three ball. Gee took 9 in 11 NBA games. Don't you think that shows something? A willingness to put it on the line? A lack of fear?

Maybe that's something we can agree on. To me Hairston seemed a little timid at times, lacking that drive, and killer instinct that may have separated himself from others (Keith Bogus) with similar skill sets.

[ohmwrecker]

I don't know that they made their choice, so much as Hairston got a guaranteed contract and obviously felt that he couldn't pass it up.

Had he stayed, I suspect Hairston would have beat Gee out for a spot, though. Not only because the Spurs had spent two years developing him and he had two years playing in a similar system, but because he had more of a defensive mindset.

Gee may very well be the more talented player of the two, but I felt Hairston was a better fit for the Spurs at this time.

Maybe. There is no way of knowing for sure, but I feel that story that came out had some PR spin on it. Given the fact that Hairston didn't get any burn in the playoffs in preference for Bogans/Mason (I know he was injured, but so were the guys ahead of him) and the fact that he was held out of summer league because the Spurs "knew what they had" in Hairston.
It's certainly open for interpretation, but I feel like if the Spurs were that high on Hairston, they would have found a way to keep him around and I'm not sure Gee would be here.

[DPG21920]

Malik showed good tools on defense and his rebounding was very good. He was a solid finisher as well.

His shooting sucked, and Gee's is not any better. That was my only point of contention. That and I thought it was premature to say "the NBA stage looked to big for Malik, but not for Gee".

That could very well end up being the case, but that does not mean it is correct to say that now.

[yavozerb]

Malik showed good tools on defense and his rebounding was very good. He was a solid finisher as well.

His shooting sucked, and Gee's is not any better. That was my only point of contention. That and I thought it was premature to say "the NBA stage looked to big for Malik, but not for Gee".

That could very well end up being the case, but that does not mean it is correct to say that now.

All I know is if both Gee and Hairston were both on FA market Gee would sought after by NBA teams and Hairston, well hairston has recently chosen europe so that should tell us that no other team in NBA must have shown any interest. Look, I like Hairston but his size and skills are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Gee has a little more upside thus the extra interest from NBA teams.

[DPG21920]

Gee had an opportunity due to circumstance. Malik did not. Gee was on a shit team. Given, he did do well.

The point is that he is not know for being a good shooter.

[yavozerb]

Gee had an opportunity due to circumstance. Malik did not. Gee was on a shit team. Given, he did do well.

The point is that he is not know for being a good shooter.

So why didn't Hairston take his game to another team this offseason where he might get that opportunity?

[DPG21920]

He did. In Europe. The point is, if Gee was signed by the Spurs all last year, like Malik, he would not have had the opportunity to play. Just like Malik.

You seem to keep forgetting that Malik was kept around by the Spurs a lot longer than Gee was. Only now has that changed.

[MaNu4Tres]

So why didn't Hairston take his game to another team this offseason where he might get that opportunity?

Loyalty with the Spurs, he will be back.

[TD 21]

Maybe. There is no way of knowing for sure, but I feel that story that came out had some PR spin on it. Given the fact that Hairston didn't get any burn in the playoffs in preference for Bogans/Mason (I know he was injured, but so were the guys ahead of him) and the fact that he was held out of summer league because the Spurs "knew what they had" in Hairston.
It's certainly open for interpretation, but I feel like if the Spurs were that high on Hairston, they would have found a way to keep him around and I'm not sure Gee would be here.

Seemed legit to me. The Spurs had invested two years of time and money into developing Hairston, they were looking to get younger, cheaper and more athletic and they wanted/needed a wing defender. He fit the bill on all accounts.

For the start of the playoffs, at least, Pop wanted Temple active in case Hill's recently sprained ankle had continued to aggravate him. By the time Hairston was ready to go (whenever that was), the Spurs were on a roll and since that was the 11th or 12th spot, Pop presumably figured there was no sense in making a change. Also, Temple had played well down the stretch in the regular season. In terms of Summer League, why would they have said "he has a lot of fans", if they didn't mean it? The "knew what they had" comment, I took as a sign that he had a good chance to make the team.

They could have (and might have) told him he had a good chance to make the team and play at least semi-regularly, but I'm not sure that would have trumped having a guaranteed contract, making more money and playing consistently.

Gee would have been around either way, they'd at least want to get a look at him throughout training camp/preseason.


In Malik's defense, he only got serious minutes maybe 3 or 4 times in those 62 games. Two of which I saw in person. He was effective enough in those games, but they meant little when he played (and one of those games he was over shadowed by Pops Mensah bonsu). But Gee has actually been a starter on an NBA team and played well. I like Gee. He won't be anything too special, but you never know.

For a few games, with a joke team, in the midst of a lost season. Once upon a time, Jeremy Richardson started a game for the Spurs. It didn't mean anything, just like Gee starting for the Wizards didn't.

The fact of the matter is, at this point, he's a fringe player/prospect. An intriguing one, though.


All I know is if both Gee and Hairston were both on FA market Gee would sought after by NBA teams and Hairston, well hairston has recently chosen europe so that should tell us that no other team in NBA must have shown any interest. Look, I like Hairston but his size and skills are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Gee has a little more upside thus the extra interest from NBA teams.

He was under contract with the Spurs, so no other team could have signed him.

[yavozerb]

Loyalty with the Spurs, he will be back.

Maybe so, maybe not...Wouldn't be so sure about that.


Seemed legit to me. The Spurs had invested two years of time and money into developing Hairston, they were looking to get younger, cheaper and more athletic and they wanted/needed a wing defender. He fit the bill on all accounts.

For the start of the playoffs, at least, Pop wanted Temple active in case Hill's recently sprained ankle had continued to aggravate him. By the time Hairston was ready to go (whenever that was), the Spurs were on a roll and since that was the 11th or 12th spot, Pop presumably figured there was no sense in making a change. Also, Temple had played well down the stretch in the regular season. In terms of Summer League, why would they have said "he has a lot of fans", if they didn't mean it? The "knew what they had" comment, I took as a sign that he had a good chance to make the team.

They could have (and might have) told him he had a good chance to make the team and play at least semi-regularly, but I'm not sure that would have trumped having a guaranteed contract, making more money and playing consistently.

Gee would have been around either way, they'd at least want to get a look at him throughout training camp/preseason.



For a few games, with a joke team, in the midst of a lost season. Once upon a time, Jeremy Richardson started a game for the Spurs. It didn't mean anything, just like Gee starting for the Wizards didn't.

The fact of the matter is, at this point, he's a fringe player/prospect. An intriguing one, though.



He was under contract with the Spurs, so no other team could have signed him.


I realize that, but do you really feel like it was Hairstons choice to go play in Europe? He could just have easily asked out of his contract and signed with another team. I am positive the spurs would have let Malik walk if he had a better chance with another organization for NBA career.

[TD 21]

Maybe so, maybe not...Wouldn't be so sure about that.

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I realize that, but do you really feel like it was Hairstons choice to go play in Europe? He could just have easily asked out of his contract and signed with another team. I am positive the spurs would have let Malik walk if he had a better chance with another organization for NBA career.

Yeah, I do. Guaranteed contract, more money and presumably more playing time. Obviously, he felt like he couldn't pass that up.

Had he stayed, I think he would have had a slight edge over Gee, but at the same time, he wasn't guaranteed to make the team. Say he ended up getting cut just before the rosters were finalized, then what? He'd probably find himself either hoping to catch on with an NBA team on a non-guaranteed contract, toiling in the D-League, or being offered less lucrative contracts overseas than the one he was presented with in the summer.

[PBEEZY]

Gee is starting for the Wizards so either a) we are incredibly deep or b) the Wiz's really suck

[yavozerb]

Gee is starting for the Wizards so either a) we are incredibly deep or b) the Wiz's really suck

Both..

[Libri]

He played 24 minutes and scored 7 points.

[TE]

This guy is a scrub.

[Darkwaters]

The Wizards are also starting Hilton Armstrong at Center. Just sayin...

[lefty]

-CJEZKAQCnE

[Mel_13]

Source: Washington Wizards will bring back Lester Hudson as backup PG with Arenas gone/Wall out. Expected to join team tonight. Link coming.

Assume it's already been reported elsewhere, but I'm just leaving the Y - the Wizards will release Alonzo Gee to make room for hudson.

http://twitter.com/ScottSchroeder

[Darkwaters]

Wizards Re-Sign Hudson; Waive Gee
Dec 20, 2010 3:55 PM EST

Wizards president Ernie Grunfeld announced Monday that the team has signed point guard Lester Hudson.

Per team policy, terms of the deal were not announced.

Hudson appeared in six games earlier this season for Washington, before being waived on November 22nd to make room for Alonzo Gee.

Gee appeared in 11 games (five starts) for the Wizards, and averaged 2.9 points and 2.0 rebounds in 11.5 minutes per game.



Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70682/20101220/wizards_re_sign_hudson_waive_gee/#ixzz18gsOzBIm

[benefactor]

Waive You Doe Ka. Go get Gee.

[Spurs Brazil]

@STEIN_LINE_HQ After working out handful of free agents as per @samickAOL, Cavs making plans to sign Alonzo Gee as long ex-Spur/Wizard passes physical

[SenorSpur]

It's a damn shame that Gee wasn't a more productive player for the Spurs. With Anderson out, he could've really made a key contribution during this period.

[EricB]

Gee really seemed to peek in his time with the Wizards.

Unreal...

[blkroadrunners]

-UjpQ2s4hkw

[8FOR!3]

-UjpQ2s4hkw

It's fool's gold tbh.

That guy said the G-Force :lol