Boy kills father after being "grounded" from playing computer games...

[Gutter92]

http://www.news.com.au/technology/boy-kills-dad-with-sledgehammer-after-banned-from-playing-computer-games/story-e6frfro0-1225853471820

This is the worst part..."After the killing, the boy's frightened mother gave him the keyboard back and the boy played computer games for several more hours until he fell asleep, the spokeswoman said."

[JoeChalupa]

Now if that ain't grounds to be indicted as an adult I don't know what is.

[JoeChalupa]

Then again one could make a good argument on the grounds that he snapped.

[Gutter92]

Yea seriously, how could you argue due to his age...he's 14, thats a freshman in high school...

[Blake]

Now if that ain't grounds to be indicted as an adult I don't know what is.

apparently under Russian law it is

[Stringer_Bell]

Clearly the boy was provoked by being "grounded." He has no criminal record either. His father may have been asleep, but his mother was awake to give him the keyboard. No one in his/her right mind is going to use a sledgehammer, much less a 14 year old boy.

How is my defense sounding so far? :downspin:

[Mixability]

blame the games!

[oh crap]

according to spurminator, darkreign and the likes, him being a minor and all, deserves nothing more than some after school detention and a grounding.

[phyzik]

...... and this is why I advocate spanking.

Parents are a bunch of pushover pussies these days. I sometimes literally have to fight the urge to shake the shit out of some little fucking brat at walmart who wont mind his parents.... nevermind the parents themselves.

If it wasnt for my dad spanking me, Id be in prison or worse, and I FIRMLY believe that.

Im not saying go apeshit on them, the punishment HAS to match the crime. Just stop being a little bitch when it comes to your kids. A little spanking can go a LONG way.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/robocop05.jpg

Life in the big city.

[phyzik]

Seriously.....

Do people really fucking believe its modern society that causes kids to act like this bullshit?

Paddles need to be allowed back in the principles office.

Corporal punishment needs to be enforced.

You didnt see this shit going on 20 years ago and it absolutely doesnt have SHIT to do with modern society except for the fact that parents are either too fucking young or are too fucking lenient with their dumbass kids.

All you have to do is walk into a Walmart at ANY time of the day and watch how people react to their children. It's fucking insane what they let these bastard kids get away with! It's no wonder the Earth is going to shit!

The problem is you look and judge these fucked up kids and parents but think yours are perfect angels!

Do us non-child people a favor..... buy a 2x4.... drill some holes in it to get rid of drag... and beat the fuck out of that little demon you think of as an angel.

Sincerely awaiting some PC bullshit reply about how I dont know anything about kids even though I watch 3 of them, not my own, twice a week.

Their parents are AMAZED why the kids dont fuck with my shit and sit still when I tell them to...

It's not fucking magic people. :lmao

(BTW, the 3 kids I watch at times are children of some of my best friends, they knew up front that I dont tolerate shit from brats, I have only had to spank any one of them maybe 3 times and parental concent was given. Never had to spank them since. In fact, they enjoy coming over and call me uncle and shit. I would die for them.)

[greyforest]

Seriously.....


You didnt see this shit going on 20 years ago

psychopaths have existed a little longer than 20 years

[Fpoonsie]

Couldn't have ranted it better myself, phyzik.

Kids are outta control nowadays. I've never seen such blatant disrespect to parents...in PUBLIC no less. One can only imagine what these kids get away w/ in the privacy and comfort of their own home.

It's disgusting, and you can't help but blame the ones that raise 'em. Kids are gonna test their boundaries. It's just in one's nature. When the boundaries seemingly don't exist, and accordingly repercussions are nonexistent, how else should one be expected to behave?

[phyzik]

psychopaths have existed a little longer than 20 years

Granted.... but are you going to sit there and pretend that children of that age, in that era, where just as violent as todays little brats?

If so, you are a moron.

Seriously.... Im 30 yrs old. Not old by any means... but old enough to remember getting the paddle in the 3rd grade back in 1986 or so from a principle without a parents consent.

If you never experienced that, you have no room to talk..... at all...

[greyforest]

Granted.... but are you going to sit there and pretend that children of that age, in that era, where just as violent as todays little brats?

If so, you are a moron.

http://youthviolence.edschool.virginia.edu/juvenile-violence/juvenile-homicide.html

Juvenile Arrests for Homicide: 1984-2006
http://youthviolence.edschool.virginia.edu/juvenile-violence/images/juvenile-arrests-for-homicide1984-2006.jpg

you "where" wrong

[LnGrrrR]

Ouch. Pwnage.

[MiamiHeat]

My opinion?

Children have lost their innocence.

They have been exposed to too much garbage, they know too much at a young age. Stuff that usually are only meant for adults.

When I was 14, I would not have even thought of the idea of that. I was too innocent in my mind, never exposed to that in movies or anything.

What you don't know, doesn't hurt you.

but when you expose children to KNOWLEDGE of how to do things, how to have sex, how to kill, how to use weapons and guns, through movies or games or internet, it really does make a difference.

I know it sounds like a cop out, "OH NO THE GAMEZ DID IT"

but really, they do influence. It makes that troubled kid go over the edge.

If you have a troubled kid who has no idea how to kill someone, he never kills anyone in his youth....

[BRHornet45]

sons Holly has a big bat that would have done the trick

[LnGrrrR]

My opinion?

Children have lost their innocence.

They have been exposed to too much garbage, they know too much at a young age. Stuff that usually are only meant for adults.

When I was 14, I would not have even thought of the idea of that. I was too innocent in my mind, never exposed to that in movies or anything.

What you don't know, doesn't hurt you.

but when you expose children to KNOWLEDGE of how to do things, how to have sex, how to kill, how to use weapons and guns, through movies or games or internet, it really does make a difference.

I know it sounds like a cop out, "OH NO THE GAMEZ DID IT"

but really, they do influence. It makes that troubled kid go over the edge.

If you have a troubled kid who has no idea how to kill someone, he never kills anyone in his youth....

So he would've gone crazy later on in life, rather than earlier.

Look, the great majority of kids can play games with no ill effect. Are there some kids who are f'ing psychotic? Sure. Just because they're psychotic about playing games doesn't mean it's the game's fault. I mean, what if his Dad said he couldn't go out with a girl and he did the same thing? Then we would've just been talking about what a psycho he is. :)

Games can certainly be addictive, and fill a void for people. Just don't take away my games because of it. :) Let parents decide whether or not their children does... and obviously, lock the door to your room after you make that decision!

[symple19]

Phyzik, bro, stop going to Wal-Mart.

[Bukefal]

I agree nowadays kids are more brutal, there is less discipline and respect. Kids are more influental by all the violence and sex they see everyday on tv, games, music. That's something of the last 20 years and has a negative impact, but, these things and psychopats have always existed, maybe even worse back then.

The thing is also that, back then even if things happened, most of it wasnt even known, people hided it, people did not know. Today its all open, things come out, plus there is media everywere, so we are faced with these things more.

[TwAnKiEs]

Headshot!

[The Reckoning]

In Soviet Russia, the game beats you!

[The Reckoning]

too many assumptions are being made in this thread. for all we know, the kid's parents could have been overbearing and even beat him (it is russia). computer games might of been his only escape from a reality in which he felt trapped. when his last mental stronghold was taken away, he snapped. i feel like too many details are being left out here. in the old days, this keyboard would be a deck of cards or a good book.

its a bunch of bullshit that 14 year old, testosterone enraged teenagers are any different than they were 100-200 years ago. the exposure to violence by children has been consistent for a long time. imagine witnessing petty theft and babies dying from swill milk in the cities, and in the countryside people being lynched. not to mention the unimaginable racial slurs and glorification of war. books were being written of which told these tales in an adventurous manner, and children were fascinated by them.

so, again, i call bullshit.

[redzero]

Did his father drop good loot?

[balli]

Phyzik, bro, stop going to Wal-Mart.

:rollin

[lefty]

2012 is coming........................

[marini martini]

Phyzik, bro, stop going to Wal-Mart.

:lmao

[DarkReign]

according to spurminator, darkreign and the likes, him being a minor and all, deserves nothing more than some after school detention and a grounding.

Nice try, but patently false.

[LnGrrrR]

Did his father drop good loot?

:rollin

[easjer]

It's not exposure to violence and other things, it's the sterilization of them.

Back in the day, kids were exposed to a lot more violence than they are now, I think. More death by disease, fewer hospitals or sanitary surgeries to deal with wounds, killing animals that you helped raise to eat them, seeing butchery of animals up front, etc etc etc.

I think the difference is not the Victorian Era (or the Cold War Era or the 70's . . .) was less violent back in those halcyon days - I think that they saw the direct effects of violence and injury to the body, and were aware of how things could be.

Whereas today, there is so much remove from direct effects of real violence. We don't see our meat being butchered. We don't clean our own animals or scale our own fish. Most of our food comes ground up, precooked, ready to eat. We are shown unrealistic images of violence in the media (tv, games, movies) - with graphic displays, with unrealistic displays (being shot a hundred times and still moving, etc), with clean displays of violence (the bit of blood, for artistic effect). And people don't die as violently in front of us any longer. They go to hospitals and sometimes get better and sometimes don't. We vaccinate against a lot of horrible diseases, so the kids don't see them face on. And in our culture, there is plenty of clean food and water, so people don't die of starvation and food-borne illness.

So I don't think it's a stretch to say that this disconnect with the realities of what happens to the body when a violent action occurs is completely out of the question. And that is a result of modern living and conveniences - not exclusive to violence/sex/etc on tv, in movies and in video games.

[bigzak25]

from what i've read, the movie KickAss will expose kids to the affects of violence moreso than your normal hollywood action flick...

so maybe that's a good thing...

[D-Wade #3]

Ouch, the double tap

[Chomag]

Do any of you guys play online, especially FPS's? I'm 32 and I'm blown away with what I hear from kids 12 and under spew out from their mouths at Adults.

"F***K you, I'm going to F'n kill you you Mother F**ker and rape your Mom. Along with ###### and other racial slurs". And the scary part this is the G rated version of what I hear. I no longer play online because of these kids.

When I was that age there was no way I or anyone I knew would talk like that to adults. Sadly respecting your elders is no longer practiced these days.

I agree with some posters here that are saying that Parents are such pussies these days. You wonder if they even care anymore. I see kids out in the public with their parents and it's hard to tell who is the kid and who is the parent.

You are not your kids best friend. You are their parent!

[thispego]

Seriously.....

Do people really fucking believe its modern society that causes kids to act like this bullshit?

Paddles need to be allowed back in the principles office.

Corporal punishment needs to be enforced.

You didnt see this shit going on 20 years ago and it absolutely doesnt have SHIT to do with modern society except for the fact that parents are either too fucking young or are too fucking lenient with their dumbass kids.

All you have to do is walk into a Walmart at ANY time of the day and watch how people react to their children. It's fucking insane what they let these bastard kids get away with! It's no wonder the Earth is going to shit!

The problem is you look and judge these fucked up kids and parents but think yours are perfect angels!

Do us non-child people a favor..... buy a 2x4.... drill some holes in it to get rid of drag... and beat the fuck out of that little demon you think of as an angel.

Sincerely awaiting some PC bullshit reply about how I dont know anything about kids even though I watch 3 of them, not my own, twice a week.

Their parents are AMAZED why the kids dont fuck with my shit and sit still when I tell them to...

It's not fucking magic people. :lmao

(BTW, the 3 kids I watch at times are children of some of my best friends, they knew up front that I dont tolerate shit from brats, I have only had to spank any one of them maybe 3 times and parental concent was given. Never had to spank them since. In fact, they enjoy coming over and call me uncle and shit. I would die for them.)

:wow do they know you have a gay brother???!!

[bigzak25]

i don't beat my kid, but i spank him on the regular.

wifey likes the timeout thing, but she only gets in the mood for that after watching that british nanny on tv...

[MiamiHeat]

So he would've gone crazy later on in life, rather than earlier.

Look, the great majority of kids can play games with no ill effect. Are there some kids who are f'ing psychotic? Sure. Just because they're psychotic about playing games doesn't mean it's the game's fault. I mean, what if his Dad said he couldn't go out with a girl and he did the same thing? Then we would've just been talking about what a psycho he is. :)

Games can certainly be addictive, and fill a void for people. Just don't take away my games because of it. :) Let parents decide whether or not their children does... and obviously, lock the door to your room after you make that decision!

ohh no, I LOVE video games. I oppose any unreasonable restrictions or censorships on video games.

I just support strict age limits on certain games or movies.

Out of 100 kids, maybe 5 will do something really horrible when they throw a fit, like this kid did.

but an innocent, unknowledgeable troubled kid throwing a fit = no murder

an informed, exposed kid throwing a fit = knows what to do

this is all I am getting at.


LASTLY, once the kid reaches adulthood safely, now maybe he never kills anyone, period. he's not a dumb kid anymore. there's always a chance.

[lil'mo]

ohh no, I LOVE video games. I oppose any unreasonable restrictions or censorships on video games.

I just support strict age limits on certain games or movies.

Out of 100 kids, maybe 5 will do something really horrible when they throw a fit, like this kid did.

but an innocent, unknowledgeable troubled kid throwing a fit = no murder

an informed, exposed kid throwing a fit = knows what to do

this is all I am getting at.


LASTLY, once the kid reaches adulthood safely, now maybe he never kills anyone, period. he's not a dumb kid anymore. there's always a chance.

You ARE one of those dumb video game playing kids. So shut the fuck up since it's obvious you don't know shit.

[SAGambler]

Granted.... but are you going to sit there and pretend that children of that age, in that era, where just as violent as todays little brats?

If so, you are a moron.

Seriously.... Im 30 yrs old. Not old by any means... but old enough to remember getting the paddle in the 3rd grade back in 1986 or so from a principle without a parents consent.

If you never experienced that, you have no room to talk..... at all...

Got you beat by about 35 years, but when I was a kid, if you got in trouble and got your ass whipped in school, you could damn well bet you were going to get it again when you got home if your parents found out about it (and they always seemed to). But by god, kids pretty much behaved themselves in those days.
The day kid started raising hell was the day they made it a criminal offense to bust a kids ass in school. That's where it all started. And it's only gotten worse since then. I have even had friends of mine that told me their kid "threatened" to call the police on them if they didn't get their way. Fuck a bunch of PC, it's time to pull the old paddle out again in the schools.

[MiamiHeat]

Got you beat by about 35 years, but when I was a kid, if you got in trouble and got your ass whipped in school, you could damn well bet you were going to get it again when you got home if your parents found out about it (and they always seemed to). But by god, kids pretty much behaved themselves in those days.
The day kid started raising hell was the day they made it a criminal offense to bust a kids ass in school. That's where it all started. And it's only gotten worse since then. I have even had friends of mine that told me their kid "threatened" to call the police on them if they didn't get their way. Fuck a bunch of PC, it's time to pull the old paddle out again in the schools.

with all of the sexual perverts in the world

do you really want a 40 year old man spanking your 13 year old daughter?

[jack sommerset]

I'm starting to side with the mother who adopted that 7 year old boy from Russia and sent his ass back. Prolly saved herself.

[SpursWoman]

with all of the sexual perverts in the world

do you really want a 40 year old man spanking your 13 year old daughter?


I got swats when I was 16 by the 40-ish administrator. Freaking hurt. :lol

[Fpoonsie]

I got swats when I was 16 by the 40-ish administrator. Freaking hurt. :lol

Sure, he continued to kiss her neck mid-swat, but still. Ouch!

[howbouthemspurs]

Stupid kids...... thats why im glad abortion is still legal!

[Blake]

It's not exposure to violence and other things, it's the sterilization of them.

Back in the day, kids were exposed to a lot more violence than they are now, I think. More death by disease, fewer hospitals or sanitary surgeries to deal with wounds, killing animals that you helped raise to eat them, seeing butchery of animals up front, etc etc etc.

I think the difference is not the Victorian Era (or the Cold War Era or the 70's . . .) was less violent back in those halcyon days - I think that they saw the direct effects of violence and injury to the body, and were aware of how things could be.

Whereas today, there is so much remove from direct effects of real violence. We don't see our meat being butchered. We don't clean our own animals or scale our own fish. Most of our food comes ground up, precooked, ready to eat. We are shown unrealistic images of violence in the media (tv, games, movies) - with graphic displays, with unrealistic displays (being shot a hundred times and still moving, etc), with clean displays of violence (the bit of blood, for artistic effect). And people don't die as violently in front of us any longer. They go to hospitals and sometimes get better and sometimes don't. We vaccinate against a lot of horrible diseases, so the kids don't see them face on. And in our culture, there is plenty of clean food and water, so people don't die of starvation and food-borne illness.

So I don't think it's a stretch to say that this disconnect with the realities of what happens to the body when a violent action occurs is completely out of the question. And that is a result of modern living and conveniences - not exclusive to violence/sex/etc on tv, in movies and in video games.

Good post. Interesting theory.

I think violence and the like have always been around. With more and more expanded media coverage, we hear about these stories more frequently and faster. Some of it might have to do with population explosions, but I think it's more media related.

20 years ago, maybe even 10, it's doubtful we hear about a son buthering his father in a small coastal town in Russia.

[eyeh8u]

must have been playing red faction guerilla

[fraga]

Damn Rap music...

[HarlemHeat37]

I think people read too much into it..

It sounds simple, but some people really are just crazy..most 14-year olds don't do this, but clearly there are some that do..I don't think any change of laws or the way parents punish their kids will change something like this..there will always be crazy people in every era, it doesn't matter how they're treated going up..I'm also against the pussified parenting of today's society(I'm still in my early 20's though), but I really don't see the difference it would make in this type of scenario..clearly this kid is troubled and a fucking idiot..

As for this kid, he really isn't that young..14 year olds should be fully aware of the consequences of doing something like this, I don't buy the defense against it..I'd say once you're 10 years old or over, you should be fully aware of the consequences that come from these types of incidents..

[Frenzy]

http://youthviolence.edschool.virginia.edu/juvenile-violence/juvenile-homicide.html

Juvenile Arrests for Homicide: 1984-2006
http://youthviolence.edschool.virginia.edu/juvenile-violence/images/juvenile-arrests-for-homicide1984-2006.jpg

you "where" wrong



Aw, you can come up with statistics to prove anything... Forty percent of all people know that.

[greyforest]

Aw, you can come up with statistics to prove anything... Forty percent of all people know that.

Juvenile Homicide Rate Lowest in 34 Years

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=94703&page=1

Funny, I don't see Phyzik posting anymore about how moronic I am

[BlackSwordsMan]

the mom was like kill your dad and I'll let you play with your games