Come On Spurs Fans ... You are better than this

[jack0fspeed]

Just one game. Expect the series to be competitive.

Don't whine about calls. That's what you always give us a hard time about.

When Dirk plays that much better than anyone else, Dallas is going to win. But that doesn't mean that there won't be games where Manu or Duncan won't be the best player on the court.

The best team won tonight. That is all. See you in Game 2.

[DontStopBelieving]

Agreed, but I just don't understand how Dirk can get just as much free throws as the entire Spurs team.

But I don't believe that completely decided the game as we still had our chances, and we shot ourselves in the foot.

Bring on game 2.

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[jack0fspeed]

Agreed, but I just don't understand how Dirk can get just as much free throws as the entire Spurs team.
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You won't get an argument from me that Bennett Salvatore is the worst official in the NBA.

His rep is that he gives way too many foul calls for the home team. I think he reinforced that tonight.

I don't think that was the difference in the game though.

[NewJerSpur]

You wouldn't have much of an argument if you didn't put the "Don't whine about calls" in there as if it isn't a valid gripe. Dallas is a good team, but that was a very poorly officiated game. Hopefully things are better overall come Wednesday (i.e. either let guys play or give each "star" the benefit of the doubt).

[Biggems]

i miss the days when FTs were earned not given out like welfare. i miss the days when you got to the FT line cause you were fouled playground style....well unless you were Karl Malone or Reggie Miller. Those two would kick the defender on their jumpers and draw fouls. But other than them, you had to get the snot beat out of you to earn a trip to the FT line.

[Biggems]

The NBA needs to get rid of that stupid hand check rule it is slowing down the game and causing too many bitch fouls to be called.

[Death In June]

"Dont whine about calls," coming from the fan base in denial about the 06 finals.

[NewJerSpur]

The NBA needs to get rid of that stupid hand check rule it is slowing down the game and causing too many bitch fouls to be called.

I think I might have to agree on the handchecking. Unless you're pulling at a guy's jersey or REALLY impeding his progress it's pretty ticky-tack.

[Biggems]

Just one game. Expect the series to be competitive.

Don't whine about calls. That's what you always give us a hard time about.

When Dirk plays that much better than anyone else, Dallas is going to win. But that doesn't mean that there won't be games where Manu or Duncan won't be the best player on the court.

The best team won tonight. That is all. See you in Game 2.

hard to win when it is 5 on 8.....but keep telling yourself the best team won. you had the game giftwrapped by the officials and you only won by 6. if the officiating is anywhere near even, the Spurs win.

but we all know that it will never be even, cause the refs bend over backwards to accomodate the Nazi. It is amazing how a guy who shoots nothing but 3s and fade away jumpers can shoot so many FTs....but that is the reality of today's NBA.

nevermind the Spurs scored more points in the point and attacked the paint more (missed lots of layups)......but still only accumulated 14 FTs.

the officiating is horrible, we know it, and you know it. dont act so condescending.

still, even with such lopsided officiating, the Spurs only lost by 6. so maybe in game 2, some of the Spurs role players will actually show up. maybe the Spurs will limit their turnovers to 10 or less. maybe they will make their layups with more efficiency. this way, when the Mavs get another huge FT margin, it wont matter.

[Biggems]

I think I might have to agree on the handchecking. Unless you're pulling at a guy's jersey or REALLY impeding his progress it's pretty ticky-tack.

didnt stop jordan, wilkins, bird, pippen, worthy, king, english, gervin, etc. from going off.

[NewJerSpur]

didnt stop jordan, wilkins, bird, pippen, worthy, king, english, gervin, etc. from going off.

:lol

[Shank]

hard to win when it is 5 on 8.....but keep telling yourself the best team won. you had the game giftwrapped by the officials and you only won by 6. if the officiating is anywhere near even, the Spurs win.

but we all know that it will never be even, cause the refs bend over backwards to accomodate the Nazi. It is amazing how a guy who shoots nothing but 3s and fade away jumpers can shoot so many FTs....but that is the reality of today's NBA.

nevermind the Spurs scored more points in the point and attacked the paint more (missed lots of layups)......but still only accumulated 14 FTs.

the officiating is horrible, we know it, and you know it. dont act so condescending.

still, even with such lopsided officiating, the Spurs only lost by 6. so maybe in game 2, some of the Spurs role players will actually show up. maybe the Spurs will limit their turnovers to 10 or less. maybe they will make their layups with more efficiency. this way, when the Mavs get another huge FT margin, it wont matter.

Who's a Nazi?

You fucking faggot. Cry some more.

[Death In June]

You fucking faggot. Cry some more. It took several counts of sexual misconduct with a 14-year-old, soon after I poked Hepatitis B into a fat stranger before I started to cry. You don't know what real pain is, bitch.:wow

[pking]

The Nazi? What a prick. Totally uncalled for, man.

[jack0fspeed]

Still disappointed in all the ref-whining that's going on here.

Again ... take away the fouls that the Spurs were giving on Dampier (and yes I count all 12, not just the six that happened during hack-a-Damp) and the FTA disparity was only 8.

An 8 FTA disparity could be attributable to the way the game was being called, or the aggressiveness with which the Mavs were taking the ball to the hole in the 1st quarter (which is where most of the disparity came from).

I acknowledge that Duncan wasn't getting some of the calls he usually gets to start the game. But I thought the officiating wasn't a factor for the last three quarters.

Dirk is going to get foul calls. Especially when he's being played by someone with no defensive rep.

All due respect to the Spurs, they were not the best team in that game. That's why they lost. The Mavs also got favorable officiating. But so what?

[easy7]

:lmao :lmao :lmao You mofos are just off the wall... :lmao :lmao :lmao

[jimo2305]

thanks for this thread..

i honestly got embarassed by some of the fellow fans that started whining up the whazoo..

yea the game was unfair but it wasn't like freakin' lakers vs kings 2002.. we'll get some calls.. they'll get some calls.. we get frustrated but srsly.. dont' make a fuckin' ass outta yourself..

[DAF86]

The Nazi? What a prick. Totally uncalled for, man.

:lol Mavsfans crying about Spursfans calling other people nazis.

[easy7]

:lol Mavsfans crying about Spursfans calling other people nazis.
Yet the word beaner is farted out of their mouths more often than not... Karma is a bitch.

[DAF86]

:lol Mavsfans crying about Spursfans calling other people nazis.

Just to clarify so I don't look like an ass, the most noticeable Mavsfans of this board are the kings of calling other people Nazis.

[DAF86]

Yet the word beaner is farted out of their mouths more often than not... Karma is a bitch.

That also.

[AFBlue]

Okay Mark "You're betta than that!" Jackson...thanks for the worthless input.

[TheChillFactor]

i hate the mavs and their fans but I agree with this dude....the nba playoffs - where one teams wins the game and the other team cries about the refs...

[Dirkadirkastan]

28 non-Hack-a-Damp free throws is pretty average.

14 free throws is low, though I'm not exactly sure what the Spurs fans think should have been called more on their end. Heck, when Ginobili drove the lane, the Mavs just let him go by.

[jack0fspeed]

Comment from a local sports commentator here that I completely agree with:

The best thing Avery Johnson did for the Mavericks was to get them to stop using officiating as an excuse.

That doesn't mean it isn't still bad sometimes. That doesn't mean it never decides an outcome. But bottom line is that blaming officiating is for losers.

[TJastal]

i hate the mavs and their fans but I agree with this dude....the nba playoffs - where one teams wins the game and the other team cries about the refs...

:lol

It would be one thing if the crybabies were giving solid concrete specific examples throughout the game to support their cases but all we get is vague ramblings about Manu getting shoved, TP crying for fouls (like he does every game) and Duncan getting mugged/draped all over.

[Mavs101]

It's really hard to guard Dirk. Defenders fall for his fade away and leap towards him to contest the shot. If there is any contact, he gets a trip to the line. With him being so tall and shooting a fade away, anyone who wants to contest the shot has to risk generating contact. It's what has made him such a great FT shooter. He gets to the line a lot and makes them because he has a lot of practice shooting them. lol

[FromWayDowntown]

But bottom line is that blaming officiating is for losers.

Absolutely.

But that doesn't mean that there isn't a cottage message board industry among Mavericks fans in complaining that the 2006 Finals is the worst officiated playoff series in history and that, but for such horrible officiating, the Mavericks wouldn't have choked away their 2-0 lead in that series.

I'm not sure exactly where the line is drawn between blaming officiating and arguing that but for the officials there would have been a different result. I'm sure that someone can define it for me.

[jack0fspeed]

Absolutely.

But that doesn't mean that there isn't a cottage message board industry among Mavericks fans in complaining that the 2006 Finals is the worst officiated playoff series in history and that, but for such horrible officiating, the Mavericks wouldn't have choked away their 2-0 lead in that series.

I'm not sure exactly where the line is drawn between blaming officiating and arguing that but for the officials there would have been a different result. I'm sure that someone can define it for me.


I think the line is that "working the refs" so that you might get some calls in the future is fine. But anything other than that is not constructive.

The guy that best exemplifies constructive complaining about officiating is Phil Jackson. He picks the one call he wants to get in a series and publically challenges officials before the series starts. Last week he complained that Kevin Durant was getting undue "star calls". Next thing you know, Ron Artest is getting away with murder guarding KD.

The rest of us blur the line between working the refs and whining. But the closer you are to Phil Jackson complaining, and the farther you are from fans whining about injustices in days of yore, the less of a loser you are in my opinion.

[FromWayDowntown]

I think the line is that "working the refs" so that you might get some calls in the future is fine. But anything other than that is not constructive.

The guy that best exemplifies constructive complaining about officiating is Phil Jackson. He picks the one call he wants to get in a series and publically challenges officials before the series starts. Last week he complained that Kevin Durant was getting undue "star calls". Next thing you know, Ron Artest is getting away with murder guarding KD.

The rest of us blur the line between working the refs and whining. But the closer you are to Phil Jackson complaining, and the farther you are from fans whining about injustices in days of yore, the less of a loser you are in my opinion.

So complaining that a Finals series that concluded 4 years ago was horribly officiated is not constructive?

Just trying to be sure I know where that line is.

[dbestpro]

So complaining that a Finals series that concluded 4 years ago was horribly officiated is not constructive?

Just trying to be sure I know where that line is.

It's plain and simple. Officiating does not matter for Mav fans as long as it is the other team that is getting screwed. Funny thing is if the Mavs move on and end up playing the Lakers they will get the same shitty calls that we get. If that happens you can bet that they will be popping the whine cork in Dallas big time.

[ChumpDumper]

No, we're not better than that.

[nkdlunch]

"Dont whine about calls," coming from the fan base in denial about the 06 finals.

:lol

[pad300]

Again ... take away the fouls that the Spurs were giving on Dampier (and yes I count all 12, not just the six that happened during hack-a-Damp) and the FTA disparity was only 8.



So fouls on big men in the normal course of play don't count? Doesn't that mean that the Spurs only shot 9 FT's? (TD had 5...). I might give you the 6 on hack a damp, but not all 12...

[FromWayDowntown]

So fouls on big men in the normal course of play don't count? Doesn't that mean that the Spurs only shot 9 FT's? (TD had 5...). I might give you the 6 on hack a damp, but not all 12...

Yeah, I agree.

I'm not among those who are complaining about the officiating, but simply choosing to disregard all of Dampier's free throw attempts (not just those that were a consequence of a deliberate strategy to send him to the line for no other reason than to slow the game) seems a bit of a contrivance to dispute any complaint that the officiating was slanted.

If that's the way we count FTA, we should cut Shaq's FTA in half at least.

[BigBinBigD]

Got DAMN the Spurs must be good. To have won 4 'ships with such a conspiracy of the refs and Stern against them!

So many on here bitching that cuz the Sperm had so many points in the paint, they should have gotten more fouls called for them. Maybe that's WHY they had so many more points in the paint. Every time the Mavs tried to go inside, they got the shit knocked out of them. Some idiot on another thread said how can a 3-point shooting big get so many FT's? He hardly EVER shoots 3's anymore, not nearly enough, anyway. If you watched that game and didn't know that almost all of those fouls were gonna be called, you don't watch b-ball or your homer glasses need to be re-calibrated.

Mavs' fans bitching about the Miami game 3 is pretty much agreed with by tons of fans and observers around the NBA. The endless whining by Spurs/their fans about the refs is worse than Nellie back in the day. Still not NEARLY as bad as Cuban though. :rolleyes

[FromWayDowntown]

Mavs' fans bitching about the Miami game 3 is pretty much agreed with by tons of fans and observers around the NBA.

Oh -- so if you have a consensus on your side, whining about is no longer unseemly?

[FromWayDowntown]

The endless whining by Spurs/their fans about the refs is worse than Nellie back in the day. Still not NEARLY as bad as Cuban though. :rolleyes

Fans are one thing, "Spurs" is something else. So, of course, you're going to point me to all of the media sessions and interviews since 1998 in which Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen, Gregg Popovich, and Peter Holt have complained publicly about officiating, right?

I'll wait.

[Blackjack]

No, we're not better than that.

Beat me to it. :tu

[jack0fspeed]

Yeah, I agree.

I'm not among those who are complaining about the officiating, but simply choosing to disregard all of Dampier's free throw attempts (not just those that were a consequence of a deliberate strategy to send him to the line for no other reason than to slow the game) seems a bit of a contrivance to dispute any complaint that the officiating was slanted.

If that's the way we count FTA, we should cut Shaq's FTA in half at least.

If you didn't notice, Dampier was being fouled on the catch. It's called strategery. Giving up half a point is better than giving up two points.

Anyway, that's a deliberate foul.

[ecksrobecks]

strategery? intentionally fouling a 60 percent free throw shooter basically means you expect him to make 6 out of 10 fts. in other words a 2 point basket in 3 out of 5 possessions. i guess pop must have thought the mavs would score on at least 4 out of every 5 possessions? the 3rd quarter of game 1 is a little early to admit your defense is helpless

[JMitchMFFL]

I hope the Spurs players are looking back and crying about Game 1 like the fans are. That'll make it easier to beat them.

[Kamala]

Spurs win game 2 and mavs fans' panties will be filled with caca marks!

[Chubby_Love]

I hope the Spurs players are looking back and crying about Game 1 like the fans are. That'll make it easier to beat them. Just like you'll never be able to get over 2006. For The Spurs, it's just another series, but for you Mavs fans--it's a chance to get back at someone that's better than you. Anyway, Shut the fuck up! :flag:

[BigBinBigD]

Oh -- so if you have a consensus on your side, whining about is no longer unseemly?

Complaining about one game where the whole world could see what was happening is understandable. Bitching about the refs every call and/or every game you lose is unseemly. And I know what unseemly is. Mark Cuban is front and center in my view every home game.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

I hope the Spurs players are looking back and crying about Game 1 like the fans are. That'll make it easier to beat them.

You obviously have not paid much attention to the way the Spurs operate over the last decade.

Fact: ST will ALWAYS get too low over losses and too high over wins. This goes triple for the playoffs

Fact: 3 of the Spurs' 4 title runs have begun with them losing Game 1 of the first round (and in '99, they lost game 2 to the T-Wolves)

[#2!]

man the retards have really shown up in droves for the playoffs. and i'm not talking about fans of any one particular team, just in general. I have to wade through 3-4 shit posts to find an opinion worth reading.