Rick Carlisle's Teams Known For Not Fouling?

[GSH]

One of the commentators announced that Rick Carlisle's teams have always been known for not fouling. The comment was in reference to the FT disparity, which he claimed was normal against a Rick Carlisle team. He went so far as to say that Carlisle's players are taught to play defense without fouling. The obvious inference was that the Spurs were getting killed at the line because they are not coached on how to play defense without fouling.

I called bullshit on that one at the time. So after the game, I went and had a look. Here are the foul totals for all of Carlisle's teams vs. Pop's, for the same years. (Regular season, 82 games ea.) See what you think:

Total Fouls Per Season - Carlisle teams vs. Popovich teams
Year Carlisle Pop
2002 1,695 1,575
2003 1,748 1,672
2004 1,709 1,667
2005 1,890 1,717
2006 1,821 1,714
2007 1,912 1,588
2008 1,537
2009 1,600 1,546
2010 1,563 1,669

Damn... it looks to me like something changed pretty drastically when he started coaching Dirk Nowitzki. I don't know why his old teams were known for not fouling, but it makes sense now that he's in Dallas. Somehow I don't beleive his coaching suddenly got that much better.

People can say what they want about tonight's game, but the difference was the whistles. With 3:19 left in the third quarter, the FT disparity was 20-4 in favor of the Mavericks - and that was before the Spurs had tried the first intentional foul on Dampier. The game was all but decided at that point. Not because of the score, but because the Spurs had been handcuffed on the defensive end. It's just like when someone is playing with 5 fouls, and trying to keep from fouling out. No player can step up and challenge on defense under those conditions.

For you Mavs trolls who will try and insist that the Hack-A-Damp distorted the numbers... guess again. It was used exactly 3 times - that's 3 fouls and 6 FT's. And like I said, the game was already in the bag by the time they did it.

If any of this is looking familiar to Spurs fans, it should. I'm going to post some stats below that none of the sports columnists ever talked about. They probably should have - but they didn't. I know some of you don't like to talk abut the officiating, but sometimes it's a pretty damned compelling story.

[GSH]

So, yeah, I'm going to dredge up the 06 playoffs. But only because this game reminded me of that series so much.


During the 06 regular season, the Spurs averaged 20.9 fouls per game.
Heads-up with the Mavs in the regular season, the Spurs averaged 21 fouls per game. Business as usual.

In the first round of the playoffs, the Spurs averaged 21.8 fouls per game against Sacramento. Pretty close to their season average. (The Mavs averaged 27.8 fouls per game against freaking Memphis in the first round.)

In the second round series against the Mavs, the Spurs averaged 24.5 fouls per game. That's a lot more than their regular season number. If it was a single game, it would be understandable. But over a 7-game series?

The real problem was that in the Spurs 3 wins in that series, they averaged 19.33 fouls - but in their 4 losses, they averaged 28.25 fouls per game! Funny, huh? During the regular season the Spurs committed just 21 fouls per game against the Mavs. The same for 3 playoff games. But in those 4 critical games, they suddenly couldn't play defense? Maybe they just needed Rick Carlisle to coach the team.

Tonight's game looked extremely familiar, because it was just like one of those 4 games we played in 06. If the whistles had been relatively fair back then, the Mavs would never have seen their first NBA Finals series. And if they would have been relatively fair tonight, the Spurs would be up 1-0, and we would be having a whole different set of conversations, along with Kenny and Charles and everyone else.

[m33p0]

if you heard it on tv it must be true.

[Biggems]

Carlisle wasnt there when the Mavs shot 50 FTs against us, as a jump shooting team a few years ago......in that 98 FTs in one game debacle. Carlisle wasnt there when Dirk started getting giftwrapped trips to the FT line back in 2006.

[DMX7]

Was this said on NBA TV? Who said it?

[alchemist]

just

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cuz you're not winning this argument against mavfan.

[NewJerSpur]

I think people gloss over the officiating complaints because they claim are used to hearing this kind of thing from Spurs fans, but something was definitely fishy about this game and you didn't see that many Mavs fans hear running to vehemently their guys on this issue.

[GSH]

Was this said on NBA TV? Who said it?

It was on TNT. I don't remember which guy said it.

The point is, Carlisle's teams have never been known for playing defense without fouling before. It was an excuse, because the whistles were so lopsided, it was embarassing. This shit is a carbon copy of what we have seen before.

[m33p0]

It was on TNT. I don't remember which guy said it.

The point is, Carlisle's teams have never been known for playing defense without fouling before. It was an excuse, because the whistles were so lopsided, it was embarassing. This shit is a carbon copy of what we have seen before.
jeff van gundy most likely. he's known for pulling things out of his ass.

[siraulo23]

It was mike fratello~

[ajGambino]

So, yeah, I'm going to dredge up the 06 playoffs. But only because this game reminded me of that series so much.


During the 06 regular season, the Spurs averaged 20.9 fouls per game.
Heads-up with the Mavs in the regular season, the Spurs averaged 21 fouls per game. Business as usual.

In the first round of the playoffs, the Spurs averaged 21.8 fouls per game against Sacramento. Pretty close to their season average. (The Mavs averaged 27.8 fouls per game against freaking Memphis in the first round.)

In the second round series against the Mavs, the Spurs averaged 24.5 fouls per game. That's a lot more than their regular season number. If it was a single game, it would be understandable. But over a 7-game series?

The real problem was that in the Spurs 3 wins in that series, they averaged 19.33 fouls - but in their 4 losses, they averaged 28.25 fouls per game! Funny, huh? During the regular season the Spurs committed just 21 fouls per game against the Mavs. The same for 3 playoff games. But in those 4 critical games, they suddenly couldn't play defense? Maybe they just needed Rick Carlisle to coach the team.

Tonight's game looked extremely familiar, because it was just like one of those 4 games we played in 06. If the whistles had been relatively fair back then, the Mavs would never have seen their first NBA Finals series. And if they would have been relatively fair tonight, the Spurs would be up 1-0, and we would be having a whole different set of conversations, along with Kenny and Charles and everyone else.

I agree with you 100%. This game reminded me of 2006 all over again. It's funny to see a lot of people say that the officiating didn't contribute to the Spurs loss..but the thing is, it did. The calls were ridiculously lopsided and you would have to be completely biased to see otherwise. This is what pisses me off the most..and there's no one on the Spurs team that's going to complain about the refs because they're good sports about it. Yeah, Dirk had an awesome game...but he also went to the line as much as the ENTIRE SPURS TEAM COMBINED.

If you actually saw the entire game, the Spurs were getting calls that were mostly non-shooting fouls...and only when the Mavs had some breathing room did the refs start to call the fouls to even the foul comparison out. I admit, the Spurs didn't play their best basketball in game 1...but it was certainly enough to push it to a victory if the refs weren't literally controlling the game.

If the refs continue to be lopsided, this is going to be a heart-breaking series..because we're more than capable of beating this team.

[ZB 512]

I agree with you 100%. This game reminded me of 2006 all over again.

If you want to gauge it by comparing FT attempts, the Spurs shot more total free throws in the '06 series than Dallas did...and Duncan shot more total free throws in the '06 series than Dirk did

Dont let the facts get in the way of your whining though

[hsxvvd]

Be sure to bump this thread in 6 years time when the scandal is broken.


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[ajGambino]

Dont let the facts get in the way of your whining though


You have your beliefs as I have mine. I am going to whine all I want because I believe that we are getting screwed. You don't believe so, then I guess we're at a disagreement.

..with that said, fuck you.

[FromWayDowntown]

When Mavs fans complain about free throw shooting disparities, it is justified and prinicipled concern for the abysmal state of NBA officiating and clear proof of biases among the officials.

When Spurs fans talk about a free throw shooting disparity, it's whining.

[Fabbs]

With 3:19 left in the third quarter, the FT disparity was 20-4 in favor of the Mavericks - and that was before the Spurs had tried the first intentional foul on Dampier.
Great research.
Yes the baboon was Mike Fratello, and the other clown was Dick Stockton. Neither have had a valid take in 20 years and both are most def ass kissers of the NBA should any obvious fix be on like last night. In light of your research on Carlisle and fouls one could conclude Fratello was simply lying and not just incompetent.

[DarrinS]

I hate bitching about refs, but the FT disparity is especially weird given that the Spurs outscored the Mavs in the paint 50-34.

[BronxCowboy]

I hate bitching about refs, but the FT disparity is especially weird given that the Spurs outscored the Mavs in the paint 50-34.

I was wondering about this... I was working and didn't get to see the game, so when I saw the boxscore and the FT disparity, I was like damn, was Dallas taking it to the rim that much more than the Spurs? I know the Spurs usually do a good job of keeping the good scorers off the FT line. In fact, I would say it's probably Popovich teams that are best known for playing defense without fouling... and Dejuan Blair didn't play that many minutes!

[DarrinS]

I was wondering about this... I was working and didn't get to see the game, so when I saw the boxscore and the FT disparity, I was like damn, was Dallas taking it to the rim that much more than the Spurs? I know the Spurs usually do a good job of keeping the good scorers off the FT line. In fact, I would say it's probably Popovich teams that are best known for playing defense without fouling... and Dejuan Blair didn't play that many minutes!


Everyone's talking about what a great game Dirk had, but Tim scored the same amount of field goals. The BIG difference is, Dirk was 12-12 from the stripe. Dirk did have an extremely efficient game (12 of 14 vs Tim's 12 of 20) and he did drive to the rim on a couple of occasions, but most of his shots were 15-20 foot fadeaways with the typical cattle-prod-up-my-ass reaction after the shot.

[GSH]

If you want to gauge it by comparing FT attempts, the Spurs shot more total free throws in the '06 series than Dallas did...and Duncan shot more total free throws in the '06 series than Dirk did

Dont let the facts get in the way of your whining though


First of all, pinhead, I'm one of the people who consistently say that the Mavs got jobbed in the Finals that same year. I don't remember a single one of you Mav trolls thinking it was whining when it happened to you.

The FT's between Tim and Dirk were almost identical in that 06 series - Tim had something like 3 more. That, despite the fact that Tim was at the peak of his game, and did most of his work near the rim, while Dirk was doing a lot of jump shooting. In case you haven't noticed, jump shooters usually don't draw as many whistles. And for the record, Tim scored 160 points from the field in that series vs. 117 for Dirk. (Wow... no shit, GSH? Tim knocked down that many more shots than Dirk? Yep. You never read that in SI, did you?)

The Spurs were the best defensive team in the league that year - both by the numbers, and by overall opinion. In 7 games that season, they played the Mavericks pretty consistently in terms of the number of fouls they committed. But in those 4 games, they suddenly became inept on the defensive end? It wasn't a matter of the Mavs getting hot and knocking down all their shots in those games - in fact, Dirk was totally stone cold in at least one of them. It was a matter of whistles constantly blowing. You also can't overlook things like them putting Tim into foul trouble very early, effectively taking him out of most of the game. Or fouling him out on a ridiculous call with the game on the line.

I don't like to see the damn zebras take over a game, even when it goes in the Spurs favor. I catch a lot of shit from people I watch games with, when I talk about terrible calls going against the other team. Last night, the refs were inconsistent, and kept the game from being competitive. They did the same thing in the second half of the Boston-Miami game. And they did the same thing in the 2006 Playoffs - both for the Mavs, and against the Mavs.

[LnGrrrR]

Everyone's talking about what a great game Dirk had, but Tim scored the same amount of field goals. The BIG difference is, Dirk was 12-12 from the stripe. Dirk did have an extremely efficient game (12 of 14 vs Tim's 12 of 20) and he did drive to the rim on a couple of occasions, but most of his shots were 15-20 foot fadeaways with the typical cattle-prod-up-my-ass reaction after the shot.

:lol

To be fair, Dirk made some nice passes in the second half instead of taking jumpers.

He was getting alot of little foul calls, to be sure. But he was still making the shots. I view that as slightly better than someone who misses a ton of shots, and throws his arms up wildly in order to sink FT's.

What's strange is that the Spurs didn't adjust at all throughout the game. If they're going to call fouls on you for brushing Dirk, then you should foul him hard. I don't think Dirk got fouled hard once that game.

[TJastal]

One of the commentators announced that Rick Carlisle's teams have always been known for not fouling. The comment was in reference to the FT disparity, which he claimed was normal against a Rick Carlisle team. He went so far as to say that Carlisle's players are taught to play defense without fouling. The obvious inference was that the Spurs were getting killed at the line because they are not coached on how to play defense without fouling.

I called bullshit on that one at the time. So after the game, I went and had a look. Here are the foul totals for all of Carlisle's teams vs. Pop's, for the same years. (Regular season, 82 games ea.) See what you think:

Total Fouls Per Season - Carlisle teams vs. Popovich teams
Year Carlisle Pop
2002 1,695 1,575
2003 1,748 1,672
2004 1,709 1,667
2005 1,890 1,717
2006 1,821 1,714
2007 1,912 1,588
2008 1,537
2009 1,600 1,546
2010 1,563 1,669

Damn... it looks to me like something changed pretty drastically when he started coaching Dirk Nowitzki. I don't know why his old teams were known for not fouling, but it makes sense now that he's in Dallas. Somehow I don't beleive his coaching suddenly got that much better.

People can say what they want about tonight's game, but the difference was the whistles. With 3:19 left in the third quarter, the FT disparity was 20-4 in favor of the Mavericks - and that was before the Spurs had tried the first intentional foul on Dampier. The game was all but decided at that point. Not because of the score, but because the Spurs had been handcuffed on the defensive end. It's just like when someone is playing with 5 fouls, and trying to keep from fouling out. No player can step up and challenge on defense under those conditions.

For you Mavs trolls who will try and insist that the Hack-A-Damp distorted the numbers... guess again. It was used exactly 3 times - that's 3 fouls and 6 FT's. And like I said, the game was already in the bag by the time they did it.

If any of this is looking familiar to Spurs fans, it should. I'm going to post some stats below that none of the sports columnists ever talked about. They probably should have - but they didn't. I know some of you don't like to talk abut the officiating, but sometimes it's a pretty damned compelling story.

I love how people bitch and whine about the # of fouls/disparities but never point out where bad calls actually happened. :lmao

[BronxCowboy]

What's strange is that the Spurs didn't adjust at all throughout the game. If they're going to call fouls on you for brushing Dirk, then you should foul him hard. I don't think Dirk got fouled hard once that game.

Dang, I wish I could have seen that game. You make a great point... if you're going to get whistled anyway, you have to start making it worthwhile.

[TJastal]

Everyone's talking about what a great game Dirk had, but Tim scored the same amount of field goals. The BIG difference is, Dirk was 12-12 from the stripe. Dirk did have an extremely efficient game (12 of 14 vs Tim's 12 of 20) and he did drive to the rim on a couple of occasions, but most of his shots were 15-20 foot fadeaways with the typical cattle-prod-up-my-ass reaction after the shot.

Most of his shots last night were not fadeaways, although he had a few in the 1st half. Most everything in the 2nd half he penetrated straight into the defender's chest, drew contact and then simply shot over the man. He did it to Bonner, Mason, Bogans just to name a few.

Can't say I like the way the game is called nowadays (where the offensive player literally initiates contact on a defender who is merely standing with arms raised) but its a fact that this is how it is now so you either adjust and take advantage of it (as Dirk is doing) or sit and whine about it (like you are doing).

[bigdog]

I want the Spurs doing absolutely nothing but going to the basket in the first half so the refs HAVE to make some calls. It's pathetic how much the refs control the game, especially right now. It's the playoffs. Get your heads out of your asses, refs. I'm not blaming the loss on the refs, but come on.

[GSH]

I love how people bitch and whine about the # of fouls/disparities but never point out where bad calls actually happened. :lmao

Well fuck you very much.
I love how some people automatically say the Spurs lost solely because they played badly. Maybe you just drank the local Kool-Aid?

Lets look at the Spurs "bad game":
They owned the paint 50-34. (That usually gets you more FT's than the other team, too.)
They had more fast break points than the Mavs. (16-11)
They had more FG attempts than the Mavs. (78-74)
They shot a higher percentage from the floor than the Mavs. (50% - 47%)
They shot a higher percentage from the FT line than the Mavs. (86% - 74%)

What the fuck do you want? Do they need to get 10 more FGA's than the Mavs? Shoot 60% from the floor? Hold the Mavs to 40% from the floor? I got news for you - the Mavs are too good of a team for any of those things to happen. More FGA's and a higher shooting percentage usually wins the game. The only way the other team can win is to make a bunch of 3-pointers, or to get a bunch of help from the zebras. And the Mavs didnt' hit a bunch of 3-pointers.


"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son." - Dean Wormer, Animal House



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[elbamba]

I love how people bitch and whine about the # of fouls/disparities but never point out where bad calls actually happened. :lmao

I think that it has been pointed out that it seems odd that a fad away jump shooter gets so many calls on his jump shots. I saw at least 3-4 calls that I felt were BS. I saw Duncan have his jersey grabbed on a post play where he left ED scratching checking for his jock. There was plenty of contact that could have been called. They swallowed their whistles under the basket.

They did the same thing for Dallas. The Mavs did not get a lot of calls in the lane. however, the Spurs spent more time there so it makes sense that we would have a beef with the officiating.

It still comes down to stupid tournovers. Catch the ball and we can laugh at how we won despite the refs giving the Mavs an extra 20 free throws.

[TJastal]

I think that it has been pointed out that it seems odd that a fad away jump shooter gets so many calls on his jump shots. I saw at least 3-4 calls that I felt were BS. I saw Duncan have his jersey grabbed on a post play where he left ED scratching checking for his jock. There was plenty of contact that could have been called. They swallowed their whistles under the basket.

They did the same thing for Dallas. The Mavs did not get a lot of calls in the lane. however, the Spurs spent more time there so it makes sense that we would have a beef with the officiating.

It still comes down to stupid tournovers. Catch the ball and we can laugh at how we won despite the refs giving the Mavs an extra 20 free throws.

Dirk didn't settle for fadeaways though. Maybe his first two shots were fadeaways and after that he was taking it right at the chest of the defenders and initiating contact. He did this and drew multiple fouls on Bonner, Mason, and Bogans. I don't agree with it, but that's how the Lebrons', Kobes', Carmelos' all get to the line these days so who can blame him?

And who's fault is it that one of the most foul prone players in the league (Matt Bonner) is out there trying to guard a superstar? We've seen over and over again this year that he's got a big ol' bullseye on his back when it comes to the refs. I could have predicted this shit was gonna happen.

I also could point out bad calls that went against Dallas. Dirk getting called for a phantom travel in the 1st half, Blair taking a charge where his feet were touching the line.

[elbamba]

Dirk didn't settle for fadeaways though. Maybe his first two shots were fadeaways and after that he was taking it right at the chest of the defenders and initiating contact. He did this and drew multiple fouls on Bonner, Mason, and Bogans. I don't agree with it, but that's how the Lebrons', Kobes', Carmelos' all get to the line these days so who can blame him?

And who's fault is it that one of the most foul prone players in the league (Matt Bonner) is out there trying to guard a superstar? We've seen over and over again this year that he's got a big ol' bullseye on his back when it comes to the refs. I could have predicted this shit was gonna happen.

I also could point out bad calls that went against Dallas. Dirk getting called for a phantom travel in the 1st half, Blair taking a charge where his feet were touching the line.

I already noted that Dallas received some bad calls. Its obvious that we saw the game differently. I would have labled about 6-7 shots as fadaways. Not that it really matters. Spurs lost because of turnovers.

[Brodels]

People can say what they want about tonight's game, but the difference was the whistles.

You're right. The Spurs lost because of some vast consiracy or at the very least because the refs have some kind of love affair with Dirk. It makes me feel better knowing that Bonner playing meaningful minutes, the team turning the ball over way too much, and Hill and Jefferson being useless really didn't have an impact on the outcome.

If the Spurs continue to bring what they brought to game one, it won't matter what the refs do. The series will be over in four.

The Spurs are probably going to lose more games in this series. Better get some more excuses ready.

[jack0fspeed]

The total FTA disparity was 20 and you guys gave Dampier 12.

So a FTA disparity of 8 is nothing to get upset about. To my eyes, the Mavs were the more aggressive team.

[GSH]

Here's a little Spurs trivia question for you:


When one team takes more shots (FGA's) AND shoots a higher percentage, it's hard to lose the game. It's a math thing.

Q. How long has it been since the Spurs lost a game where they took more FGA's and shot a higher FG%, and what team were they playing?



You're right. The Spurs lost because of some vast consiracy ....


Sorry, but talk about conspiracy theories belongs in the political forum. But please feel free to try our trivia question.

[DarrinS]

Most of his shots last night were not fadeaways, although he had a few in the 1st half. Most everything in the 2nd half he penetrated straight into the defender's chest, drew contact and then simply shot over the man. He did it to Bonner, Mason, Bogans just to name a few.



http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20100418_SA@DAL?tag=shotchartCourtInfo;shotcha rtlink


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[fmedrano1977]

The total FTA disparity was 20 and you guys gave Dampier 12.

So a FTA disparity of 8 is nothing to get upset about. To my eyes, the Mavs were the more aggressive team. Man the only aggressive Mav last night was Caron. C'mon, you can't say you watched this game and not see the refs keep the Spurs in check on the defensive end. Despite that, if the Spurs learn how to take car of the fuckin ball and get Duncan some fuckin recievers gloves or some shit, Spurs would be alright. Fuck I thought Nazr was back with the Spurs. As for Nowitzki, yeah he got some love from the refs but the refs didn't make those shots for him. Yeah he chokes every now and then but you can not watch this guy play and say he sucks. Dude can ball!!!

[TJastal]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20100418_SA@DAL?tag=shotchartCourtInfo;shotcha rtlink


http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/bg_court_300x252.jpg

Cool, a shot chart. Showing exactly where Nowitzki drew contact for each shot.

[GSH]

Here's a little Spurs trivia question for you:


When one team takes more shots (FGA's) AND shoots a higher percentage, it's hard to lose the game. It's a math thing.

Q. How long has it been since the Spurs lost a game where they took more FGA's and shot a higher FG%, and what team were they playing?


A. It was 355 days ago. In last year's playoffs. Against the Mavs.


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[Obstructed_View]

When Mavs fans complain about free throw shooting disparities, it is justified and prinicipled concern for the abysmal state of NBA officiating and clear proof of biases among the officials.

When Spurs fans talk about a free throw shooting disparity, it's whining.

I think NBA refs are tired of having Mark Cuban sending 50 videos to the league office after every Mavs loss requiring them to come in on their days off to justify the calls.

[ZB 512]

First of all, pinhead, I'm one of the people who consistently say that the Mavs got jobbed in the Finals that same year. I don't remember a single one of you Mav trolls thinking it was whining when it happened to you.


anyone who would compare Dirk shooting 12 free throws in a first round series game to the joke of a one sided rigged series that was the 06 finals, where DWade set the all time record for FTAs in a finals series (a record that will never be broken), including a go ahead phantom bail out whistle with 1.8 seconds left to win game 5 and essentially the series, is clueless and not worth my time debating

[ZB 512]

Everyone's talking about what a great game Dirk had, but Tim scored the same amount of field goals. The BIG difference is, Dirk was 12-12 from the stripe. Dirk did have an extremely efficient game (12 of 14 vs Tim's 12 of 20) and he did drive to the rim on a couple of occasions, but most of his shots were 15-20 foot fadeaways with the typical cattle-prod-up-my-ass reaction after the shot.

most of them were 20 foot? Did you even watch the game? Did you not see Spurs players trying to deny Dirk the catch in the high post?

Some of you act like you havent watched Dirk play as much as you have. A great many of Dirk's shots are a result of isolating at the high post, elbow and free throw line, with 76785786578695 pump fakes and some dribble drives. Such isolations are obviously conducive to drawing fouls (especially against over matched, compensating defenders) and I dont know why many of you act like they arent. I thought Spurs fans watched a lot of basketball. Watching last night's game, all but maybe one of the fouls called against Dirk were clearly legit.

[crc21209]

when mavs fans complain about free throw shooting disparities, it is justified and prinicipled concern for the abysmal state of nba officiating and clear proof of biases among the officials.

When spurs fans talk about a free throw shooting disparity, it's whining.

+1000000000000000000000000000000

[ZB 512]

I guess the Spurs are "entitled" to always have the free throw advantage. I can see why Spurs fans would think that considering San Antonio usually has had the advantage over the years

It's quite hilarious how some of you freak out any time a team has a significant advantage in a game or shoots more free throws than you. Hell, it seems a team doesnt even have to have the advantage for a freak out to occur. It just has to be close looking at some Spurs fans complaining about the Mavs-Spurs series in '06 even though the Spurs shot more free throws than the Mavs in that series.

Anyway, I know the Spurs arent used to it, but join the club. It happens sometimes. (but Spurs nation just a little advice, dont compare this to the 06 finals, because that is a COMPLETELY different level and will only make you look like an idiot to Mavs fans that watched every possession of that joke of a series)

[Obstructed_View]

Anyway, I know the Spurs arent used to it, but join the club. It happens sometimes. (but Spurs nation just a little advice, dont compare this to the 06 finals, because that is a COMPLETELY different level and will only make you look like an idiot to Mavs fans that watched every possession of that joke of a series)

Gotta love Mavfan. It's only a bad call if it goes against Dallas.

[ZB 512]

Gotta love Mavfan. It's only a bad call if it goes against Dallas.

Im curious. How many of the shooting fouls on Dirk would you say were bad calls?

[Obstructed_View]

Im curious. How many of the shooting fouls on Dirk would you say were bad calls?

The fouls committed by the Spurs were of course fouls, and the fouls that Dirk was whistled for (if any) were of course not fouls. Just like when Spurs fans complain about the preferential treatment Dirk got in 06 it's just whining, and when Mavs fans complain about the preferential treatment Wade got it's completely legitimate and a sign that David Stern hates Mark Cuban.

[ZB 512]

The fouls committed by the Spurs were of course fouls, and the fouls that Dirk was whistled for (if any) were of course not fouls. Just like when Spurs fans complain about the preferential treatment Dirk got in 06 it's just whining, and when Mavs fans complain about the preferential treatment Wade got it's completely legitimate and a sign that David Stern hates Mark Cuban.

Keep arguing with that strawman but im not interested in that

Im asking you which of the 6 shooting fouls called on Dirk defenders last night were "bogus"? Give examples