Steve Nash League MVP

[The_Game]

According to the AZ Republic.


The NBA traditionally announces the winner of
the MVP award on their team's off day. The
award was supposed to be handed out on a
Monday, but late yesterday the NBA moved it
to Sunday. The Miami Heat and Shaq have
a game on Sunday. The Phoenix Suns don't
play until Monday night against the winner of
the Mavs-Rockets series. The race came
down to a close one between Shaq and Nash,
but it now appears that for the 6-3 Canadian,
this is a done deal

[ducks]

eat dirt shaq
if they gave it to shaq
it would have been east coast biased junk and wade is the mvp of the heat anyhow


it does help that fat boy lost 60 pounds sence joining the heat

[Nikos]

I don't think he deserved to win it over a Shaq or a Duncan. To me Amare is just as valuable to that team if not more.

[ducks]

All signs point to Nash winning NBA's MVP

Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
May. 6, 2005 12:00 AM

Steve Nash and the MVP trophy apparently have a date.

The NBA announced Thursday that the announcement of the Most Valuable Player, the NBA's 50th, will be Sunday. That could mean the Suns point guard has won a tight race with Miami center Shaquille O'Neal.

Here's why: The NBA announced the previous five MVPs when the winning players were idle, and on a day before each had a playoff game.
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The Suns are expected to start their second-round series Monday. Miami is slotted for a Sunday start to its second-round series if Washington closes its series with Chicago today.

If O'Neal is playing in Sunday's ABC game, it seems unlikely he would be the subject of the MVP halftime interview that ABC is promoting.

The last MVP to not receive the award a day before a playoff game was Utah's Karl Malone in 1999, when the Jazz were already eliminated.

An Arizona Republic survey of 106 of the 127 MVP voters showed Nash with an 895-883 lead over O'Neal in total points. Nash received 53 first-place votes to O'Neal's 51. Phoenix's Amaré Stoudemire and San Antonio's Tim Duncan received the other two

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0506sunsmvp0506.html

[King]

Don't be fooled. Nash makes that team run. Most of Amare's points come off of a set from Nash.

Duncan didn't deserve it this year. If for no other reason, because he missed 1/4 the season.

[ducks]

I don't think he deserved to win it over a Shaq or a Duncan. To me Amare is just as valuable to that team if not more.

to me wade is more valuable to heat then shaq

[ducks]

how many times has the mvp of the regular season won the title that year also

[Nikos]

Shaq makes them elite on offense and is a bigger presense on defense than Wade. Wade is their best fourth quarter player, but Shaq is clearly more valuable to the team.

[vanvannen]

Amare was there last year and they didn't win s*it. Nash turned the team around and deserves the award.

[Nikos]

Don't be fooled. Nash makes that team run. Most of Amare's points come off of a set from Nash.

Duncan didn't deserve it this year. If for no other reason, because he missed 1/4 the season.

The flip side to that coin is that Steve Nash also needs guys who can FINISH and run the break. In a more half court oriented attack I doubt Nash would be putting up the John Stockton type numbers he is now, and he certainly would not do it with mediocre talent around him and also WIN games.

Nash has been about as effective as John Stockton had been for his team for over a decade (without the defense).

Nash deserves credit for turning that Suns team around, but not ALL the credit. Amare Stoudamire is still an elite player in this league, and Shawn Marion as a third gun is not that far behind.

[Ginofan]

Shaq should've got it, IMO. Nash has Amare, Marion, Johnson, & Richardson...Shaq has Wade. Does Amare+Marion+Johnson+Richardson = Wade?

Also take into consideration...Nash is a great offensive player, but what does he do on defense? Shaq holds both end of the court.

[Nikos]

Amare was there last year and they didn't win s*it. Nash turned the team around and deserves the award.

Amare was also injured for a solid portion of the season. He also did not even have a mediocre point guard, let alone a starting quality one for an entire season.

Not to mention that Amare is actually a much better player this year. Think that a player of his calibur would not have improved at all if Nash did not come?

[Jdspur20]

who...cares, the spurs got bigger goals.

[ducks]

if you do nto care why open the thread

[ambchang]

Despite all that, I still like AI as the MVP.
Nash is a beneficiary of the situation (and his defense sucks), Shaq has been inconsistent throughout the year, Duncan's been hurt, and is, arguably, having his worst season in 5 or so years (at least individually), and Amare doesn't create or defend
The only other player that I would consider is Wade, but AI does the job better with less around him. Both these players defines their respective teams, and the teams are clearly built around them.
BTW, Amare reminds of a young Elvin Hayes.

[ducks]

suns d is a little underrated they can turn it on some in 4

[101A]

The Heat and the Suns; two teams who were nowhere near title contention last year, but both now are.

The reasons: Steve Nash and Shaquille O'Neal.

Nash was added to roster LOADED with talent - signed as a free agent, and none of that talent was lost. He played along 2 OTHER ALL-STARS, as well as two other players he had a part in all-star weekend.

The Heat traded a considerable amount of talent to acquire O'Neal - we wasn't simply an addition. Consider the lineups w/o the other on each squad & there is simply no comparison. After Shaq and Wade there is a considerable drop-off; after Nash & Amare, you have Matrix (who puts up MVP numbers his own self - and who I feel might be the most valuable of the 3, actually playing defense.)

1 dimensional players shouldn't win MVP, IMO; it's why Ice never did; why is everybody on Nash's damn jock? Phoenix goes down in rd. 2 and that's that.

[MadDog73]

1 dimensional players shouldn't win MVP, IMO; it's why Ice never did; why is everybody on Nash's damn jock? Phoenix goes down in rd. 2 and that's that.


So, if the Heat lose to the Pistons in Round 3, then Shaq wouldn't deserve it either?

It's real simple folks. How many games did the Suns win without Nash (when he was injured).

How did the Heat do without Shaq?

Nash deserves MVP.

[The_Game]

The Heat and the Suns; two teams who were nowhere near title contention last year, but both now are.

The reasons: Steve Nash and Shaquille O'Neal.

Nash was added to roster LOADED with talent - signed as a free agent, and none of that talent was lost. He played along 2 OTHER ALL-STARS, as well as two other players he had a part in all-star weekend.

The Heat traded a considerable amount of talent to acquire O'Neal - we wasn't simply an addition. Consider the lineups w/o the other on each squad & there is simply no comparison. After Shaq and Wade there is a considerable drop-off; after Nash & Amare, you have Matrix (who puts up MVP numbers his own self - and who I feel might be the most valuable of the 3, actually playing defense.)

1 dimensional players shouldn't win MVP, IMO; it's why Ice never did; why is everybody on Nash's damn jock? Phoenix goes down in rd. 2 and that's that.

since when has the playoffs got to do with the MVP? and for the record, the suns will not lose in round two. They won 62 games for a reason. they are that damn good.

[MadDog73]

Off topic, but what is the Suns record versus the Mavs and Rockets?

[Supergirl]

All I know is Nash shoud NOT BE NAMED MVP. If they do, it will render the award meaningless. Never in NBA history has a player who pathologically refuses to play defense been called the "most valuable player."

I call bullshit. Shaq should be the MVP. Without him, the Heat don't get out of the East as the champs. Wade and Amare are both more deserving than Nash. Marion and Duncan and Manu are more deserving than Nash. Nowitzki is more deserving than Nash.

[MadDog73]

???

The Suns would probably not even make it out of the first round without Nash! (that if they made the playoffs at all)!

They certainly wouldn't be Number frickin' ONE in the NBA!

No one on the Spurs can be MVP, because EVERYONE is important. Tim, Manu and Tony all are the MVPs of the Spurs. How could you pick just one?

Wade COULD be MVP, but the fact he didn't do shit last year gives props to Shaq. But Shaq can't be MVP because the Heat did fine when he was injured.

The only other reasonable MVP would be with the Pistons, but they have the same "problem" the Spurs have - not just one player is important. (A problem many teams wish they had).

Nash is the best player on the Number one team. It's that simple.

Nash is the PHX Suns. Without him, they are dogshit.

[The_Game]

All I know is Nash shoud NOT BE NAMED MVP. If they do, it will render the award meaningless. Never in NBA history has a player who pathologically refuses to play defense been called the "most valuable player."

I call bullshit. Shaq should be the MVP. Without him, the Heat don't get out of the East as the champs. Wade and Amare are both more deserving than Nash. Marion and Duncan and Manu are more deserving than Nash. Nowitzki is more deserving than Nash.

Manu? LMAO

you are an idiot

[Obstructed_View]

The Suns went 2-5 in their first 7 games without Nash. The Spurs went 2-5 in their first 7 games without Duncan, didn't they? How is that one stat used to make Nash the MVP?

Sorry, I've seen this show before when he was up here in Dallas. Mavs '03 > Suns '05.

[twincam]

Remember back in 1999 when Karl Malone won the MVP honors, but the Spurs won the
championship? Well I see that happening this year again. Steve Nash won the MVP honors but won't have the NBA trophy...Go Spurs Go.

Think back to that commercial that the Spurs were showing.
They all started with a guitar in the back ground...
Then they showed Karl Malone in slow motion...then the screen read: "Karl Malone...1999 MVP....congratulations....see you in the Finals....Need tickets?"

They were mocking him for not advancing to the Finals.
I still see it happening to Phoenix...


That was GOLDEN! Remember?

[The_Game]

The Suns went 2-5 in their first 7 games without Nash. The Spurs went 2-5 in their first 7 games without Duncan, didn't they? How is that one stat used to make Nash the MVP?

Sorry, I've seen this show before when he was up here in Dallas. Mavs '03 > Suns '05.

no way

phoenix plays better D than that dallas team and they have more toughness inside and they are the best rebounding team in the NBA. they aren't even close.

[exstatic]

I'd rather see Shaq win it than a one way player. Steve Nash is gasoline on any opposing teams offensive fire.

[101A]

since when has the playoffs got to do with the MVP? and for the record, the suns will not lose in round two. They won 62 games for a reason. they are that damn good.

The playoffs have a way of exposing fraud MVP's., that's all.

Don't give a crap what Phoenix's record was w or w/o Nash - just because he's vital to the system they play doesn't make him an MVP.

Check out the Spurs record in the few games Bowen has missed - it's pretty damn startling and revealing, does that make him an MVP.

Swap Wade & Nash - are the Heat any better? Are the Suns that much worse? NOW swap Shaq and Amare, what happens?

In a Spurs - Suns series, if Nash goes out, do you completely discount the Suns? I sure as hell don't. If Tim goes out, are the Spurs even getting by Memphis?

Let's start a list of players the Suns would trade Nash for (bet at least 1 point guard might come up) - now lets do the same with the Heat with O'Neal and the Spurs w/Duncan - those lists are pretty damned short - and not a single power forward or Center would be listed.

Nash is the beneficiary of right place/right time. Kidd, Bibby, possibly Miller, would have had similar success w/that roster at that time. They simply needed a true point guard to get those horses the ball ANY TRUE POINT GUARD!!!

Finally, let's look at where the teams the top candidates came FROM last year are at right now. The Lakers, who received quite a bit of talent in return for Shaq, AND who were in the FINALS last year are at home licking their wounds. The Mavericks, who received ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for Nash are better than last season.

Yeah, Nash is the MVP. :rolleyes

[GrandeDavid]

I wouldn't even call Nash the MVP of the Suns. Give it to Amare.

[Obstructed_View]

???

The Suns would probably not even make it out of the first round without Nash! (that if they made the playoffs at all)!

They certainly wouldn't be Number frickin' ONE in the NBA!

No one on the Spurs can be MVP, because EVERYONE is important. Tim, Manu and Tony all are the MVPs of the Spurs. How could you pick just one?

Wade COULD be MVP, but the fact he didn't do shit last year gives props to Shaq. But Shaq can't be MVP because the Heat did fine when he was injured.

The only other reasonable MVP would be with the Pistons, but they have the same "problem" the Spurs have - not just one player is important. (A problem many teams wish they had).

Nash is the best player on the Number one team. It's that simple.

Nash is the PHX Suns. Without him, they are dogshit.

If a team with the three point champion and two all-stars is dogshit without their point guard then the system is to blame, it doesn't make the point guard that's considered a defensive liability the best player in the league. Statistically, Nash isn't even having his best year. He's playing on a team that won 2 more games than the '03 Mavs did, with less talent, and I don't remember him being an MVP candidate then.

[SpurYank]

Leaving aside records and where they are in the playoffs, the real MVP, for an NBA team, is Gilbert Arenas of the Wizards. Arenas is going to make a name for himself very soon, and the Wizards are going to rule the East once Shaq gains his 60 poinds back and Larry moves on, as he surely will. He is as good a # 1 as Nash (for assists), and can score better than any #2 in the league.

Next, I would give Ben Wallace some consideration. He is the top defensive player in the league, thus he gets no credit for being a glamour boy.

[SpurYank]

Without the athleticism of a Marion and the brutal in-your-face dunks by an Amare Stoudamire, Nash would half as effective as he is. He is a better shooting guard, but too small. He is a true starting guard for an NBA team, and his supporting cast makes him a viable MVP candidate.

[Obstructed_View]

Leaving aside records and where they are in the playoffs, the real MVP, for an NBA team, is Gilbert Arenas of the Wizards. Arenas is going to make a name for himself very soon, and the Wizards are going to rule the East once Shaq gains his 60 poinds back and Larry moves on, as he surely will. He is as good a # 1 as Nash (for assists), and can score better than any #2 in the league.

Next, I would give Ben Wallace some consideration. He is the top defensive player in the league, thus he gets no credit for being a glamour boy.

Good argument for Arenas, but potential isn't a valid argument, although he deserves at least as much credit for his team's turnaround as Nash does IMO. Allen Iverson destroys Arenas in virtually every statistical category.

Ben Wallace is a one dimensional player. The same reason Nash shouldn't be MVP.

[The_Game]

how is wallace dimensional playe? he rebounds, plays defense, blocks shots, gets steals and gives them around 10 a game

that is not one dimensional

[Obstructed_View]

how is wallace dimensional playe? he rebounds, plays defense, blocks shots, gets steals and gives them around 10 a game

that is not one dimensional
You are right, but just for the purpose of this conversation, here's my rationale:

Offense - Dimension
Defense - Dimension

Play defense only - 1 dimensional, not worthy of MVP - Wallace
Play offense only - 1 dimensional, not worthy of MVP - Nash

Play defense only, but play it extremely well - Defensive player of the year - Wallace
Play offense only, but play it with other guys who play it extremely well - media sweetheart and overrated MVP candidate - Nash

[mookie2001]

i cant recall a past mvp who was as shitty on defense as nash
i guess his 16 ppg and 11 apg were so much that voters ignored his play for half of the game?

[101A]

i cant recall a past mvp who was as shitty on defense as nash
i guess his 16 ppg and 11 apg were so much that voters ignored his play for half of the game?


:lol

Hey...we've seen what happens when an MVP of a 62 game winner on a team that plays strong offense but lackadaisacal defense runs into another candidate in the WCF. :hat

[CosmicCowboy]

hey 101A...I have been reading your posts on the Sonics board...you are tearin it up in there bro...

[MadDog73]

Wasn't Amare with the Suns last year? So, where were the Suns? Did Amare improve that much?

Criteria for being MVP:

Has to be on a topped ranked team (that discounts the Wizards)
Has to have played most of the Season.

Both Shaq and Tim missed significant time.

I can see Wade getting it, but I guess top seed in the West beats top seed in the East.

Question: If Spurs became Number 1, do you think Manu would've gotten MVP?!?

(That would be nice. Maybe Manu will get MVP of the Finals. I think there's a case that he was the best player for the Spurs in the WHOLE Nuggets series).

[101A]

Wasn't Amare with the Suns last year? So, where were the Suns? Did Amare improve that much?

Criteria for being MVP:

Has to be on a topped ranked team (that discounts the Wizards)
Has to have played most of the Season.

Both Shaq and Tim missed significant time.

I can see Wade getting it, but I guess top seed in the West beats top seed in the East.

Question: If Spurs became Number 1, do you think Manu would've gotten MVP?!?

(That would be nice. Maybe Manu will get MVP of the Finals. I think there's a case that he was the best player for the Spurs in the WHOLE Nuggets series).

You are taking Tim for granted. His mere presence makes him MVP of any series. Same thing happens with Shaq. Guys like that are so rare that having 1 simply tilts the entire game/series/season in your favor. When 20+ and 10+ (while being doubled all the damn time) have crappy talent around them they make the playoffs, when they have mediocre talent they contend (see Robinson, David), and when they have good talent around them they win rings.

Quick we're picking sides in a game; Tim, Shaq, & Nash are there - who YOU picking first. I tell you who you're not...

[101A]

hey 101A...I have been reading your posts on the Sonics board...you are tearin it up in there bro...


Thanks,

Wish I could get my troll post count added here...

[SirChaz]

I think it would be cool if Nash won it and all.

However, I am not even sure Nash is the MVP on his own team much less the league.
Nash's most valuable contribution to the Suns is his leadership and his pass first attitude. It has tunred the Suns in one of the most unselfish teams I can remember.
Much of the Suns success is due to their chemistry on the floor and in the lockeroom. I think Nash had as much to do with that as anybody. His basketball skills on offense and defense are secondary.

He is not the Suns best player but he is the leader of the team with the best record.

[101A]

He is not the Suns best player but he is the leader of the team with the best record.

I guess if that's the definition of MVP...fine.

Why didn't Mario Ellie win in '99 then?

[Tom_Foolery]

I have a hard time giving the MVP to someone who plays with 2 guys scoring 20 and 4 guys scoring over 15pts a game.

Shaq plays with one person who scores over 15pts a game...Dwayne Wade.

Duncan plays with 2 guys that score over 15, Parker & Manu.

Nash plays with 4 guys that score over 15pts.


Wade was even more deserving of the MVP.

His efficiency rating was higher, he was in the top 10 of more statistical catagories.

Also, Nash missed more games than Wade.


It's complete rubbish.


I think the MVP has officially taken a big step backwards. This is ridiculous. Every MVP winner is pretty much a shoe in the Hall of Fame.


Now, are you going to put Steve Nash in the Hall of Fame???


I'd rather the award go to Shaq. Honestly, without Shaq, the Heat would be worse off than the Suns would be without Nash...that's a fact.


Nash is a better guy personally than Shaq, but the MVP should be about team impact. And I'm sorry, when you're playing with 2 guys scoring 20pts a game and 4 that average over 15pts a game besides yourself, it's very hard to accurately gauge the huge impact.

The only reason why Nash's importance is amplified is because the Suns lack of depth.


Someone call 911 cause Shaq and/or Wade got robbed.

[Jdspur20]

if you do nto care why open the thread

i didn't start the thread ducks.

[SirChaz]

I guess if that's the definition of MVP...fine.

Why didn't Mario Ellie win in '99 then?


I don't know what the definition of MVP is.

Ask the NBA marketing machine, they probably have the answer.


I always thought it was the player that was most valuable to his team. Others seem to think that it is the most valuable player to the league.

No matter who they pick I will not complain because it doesn't really matter to me.

[Jdspur20]

I don't know what the definition of MVP is.

Ask the NBA marketing machine, they probably have the answer.


I always thought it was the player that was most valuable to his team. Others seem to think that it is the most valuable player to the league.

No matter who they pick I will not complain because it doesn't really matter to me.

yeah too bad nash is not the most vaulable to his team, amare is. all nash can do is run high scoring teams, he's useless otherwise.

[The_Game]

yeah too bad nash is not the most vaulable to his team, amare is. all nash can do is run high scoring teams, he's useless otherwise.


cut that crap

nash is by far the most important player on his team

[SirChaz]

yeah too bad nash is not the most vaulable to his team, amare is. all nash can do is run high scoring teams, he's useless otherwise.


True Stoudemire draws the defense and allows other Suns to get open, but an argument could be made that Marion is the Suns MVP.

The one game he missed we lost by 20. ;)

[Obstructed_View]

Wade has played great this year, but he's this year's Kobe/Penny. I'm done heaping praise upon Shaq's teammates, because there's no doubt in my mind that Shaq's influence makes his teammates better. He immediately made a weak playoff team in the east that nobody fears into one of the powers of the league, a year after taking the Lakers to the finals.

[adidas11]

Regardless of what we all think, Nash has won the MVP this year.

Congratulations to Steve Nash, as only the 4th point guard to ever win the award. (Cousy, Robertson, Magic)

[timvp]

I can't believe Steve freakin' Nash won MVP. I want to see the Suns go down in flames in the playoffs. If that happens, 15 years from now people will look back and wonder WTF the voters were thinking.

[SirChaz]

I can't believe Steve freakin' Nash won MVP. I want to see the Suns go down in flames in the playoffs. If that happens, 15 years from now people will look back and wonder WTF the voters were thinking.


Why do you hate the Suns so much?

[timvp]

I don't. I just think it's a joke that Nash won MVP. He's basically the same player that he was with the Mavs. And if he goes down in flames like he did with Dallas, it'll be the same player that wasn't named an All-Star becoming an MVP.

[mookie2001]

i can MAYBE see if he averaged like 26 ppg and 13 apg how that might be enough to win the MVP but at 16 and 11 with the D he plays, and the team he has
he doesnt deserve shit

[SirChaz]

I don't. I just think it's a joke that Nash won MVP. He's basically the same player that he was with the Mavs. And if he goes down in flames like he did with Dallas, it'll be the same player that wasn't named an All-Star becoming an MVP.


If they don't go down in flames, what then?


Was he to blame for the failures of Dallas?

[E20]

Suns forum.

[Supergirl]

Manu? LMAO

you are an idiot

It is inappropriate to resort to name-calling.
You have every right to disagree with me.
I didn't say Manu SHOULD be MVP, I was listing off a whole host of players who are more valuable to their teams and better all-around players than Steve Nash.

Steve Nash is an excellent PG and has helped the Suns tremendously. But Suns could have made it this far with Tony Parker, Mike Bibby, or Chauncey Billups running the point. the only reason for their lack of success last year was Amare being out - which makes him a more likely candidate from the Suns to be MVP. And he was also one of the people I listed.

[timvp]

If they don't go down in flames, what then?

If they win the championship, then his MVP will be validated.



Was he to blame for the failures of Dallas?

Yes. Whether it was Tony Parker, Avery Johnson or Terry Porter, Nash was worked over by the Spurs' point guard in every series he played against San Antonio.

[Supergirl]

Leaving aside records and where they are in the playoffs, the real MVP, for an NBA team, is Gilbert Arenas of the Wizards. Arenas is going to make a name for himself very soon, and the Wizards are going to rule the East once Shaq gains his 60 poinds back and Larry moves on, as he surely will. He is as good a # 1 as Nash (for assists), and can score better than any #2 in the league.


I think this makes Arenas an excellent candidate for MIP.

[MadDog73]

You are taking Tim for granted. His mere presence makes him MVP of any series. Same thing happens with Shaq. Guys like that are so rare that having 1 simply tilts the entire game/series/season in your favor. When 20+ and 10+ (while being doubled all the damn time) have crappy talent around them they make the playoffs, when they have mediocre talent they contend (see Robinson, David), and when they have good talent around them they win rings.

Quick we're picking sides in a game; Tim, Shaq, & Nash are there - who YOU picking first. I tell you who you're not...


Yeah, perhaps Tim and Shaq were both taken for granted as MVPs. God knows they've won them before.

Nash getting it doesn't bother me much. He's a great point guard, who lead the league in assists during the Regular season AND was 6th in Assists/turnover ratio (Antonio Daniels was 2nd!)

Nash drives the PHX Suns offense, and is pretty much single-handedly responsible for getting them where they are. Who wouldn't want Nash on their team?

Nash instead of Tim or Shaq, no, of course not. But name another PG you'd rather have. I think it's great that a PG gets the award, especially one as skilled as Nash.

Now, will the Suns go far in the Playoffs? No, but the MVP is not about the Playoffs. It's about who was most valuable to their team during the regular season.

You want Tim to get MVP? Then believe that the Spurs will win the Championship and he shall receive a much greater MVP honor than what Nash has!

[SirChaz]

Steve Nash is an excellent PG and has helped the Suns tremendously. But Suns could have made it this far with Tony Parker, Mike Bibby, or Chauncey Billups running the point. the only reason for their lack of success last year was Amare being out - which makes him a more likely candidate from the Suns to be MVP. And he was also one of the people I listed.

You don't know that. Nash has been a big influence on a young team.

Suns probably make the playoffs with one of those other guys, but having watched them all year there is no way they go 62-20 and get the number 1 seed. The same is probably true of other Suns players as well but Nash got attention as the new addition.

How far they go in the playoffs is yet to be determined.

[SirChaz]

Suns forum.


You guys have a Suns forum? COOL!

:D

[ducks]

nash this year has played well
it is for this season not seasons
if you do not give it to nash or shaq who do you give it to?
ai? james I THINK NOT
duncan? that would be a big joke
kg bigger joke
ray allen? I think not

[mookie2001]

bottom line is if you suck at d i mean really blow like nash does
you have to play twice as good as a guy whos just solid at d to even be considered for MVP, its HALF the game and at 16 and 11 i just dont see it
he's the one who totally blew assignment on steve kerrs last three when spurs beat mavs in game 6 03 wcf, and let kerr shoot us to that win

[spursfan05]

worst mvp ever

[timvp]

worst mvp ever

Hard to argue that.

[Obstructed_View]

True dat. Greg Anthony pointed out that Shaq has one the MVP only one time in his career. I don't typically give the guy any respect, but come on.

[CosmicCowboy]

damn I hope Parker gets the chance (and does) school Nash in the playoffs...

[The_Game]

and i'm sure nash will school parker back

[ShoogarBear]

and i'm sure nash will school parker back
That would pretty much be a first.

[Tom_Foolery]

worst mvp ever




Definitely the worst MVP by far.


Give the guy an MVP even though he plays with 2 guys averaging 20 or more and 4 guys averaging over 15pts a game.


Interesting.



Dwayne Wade was much more worthy of an MVP.


The only other person he's playing with averaging over 15 is Shaq. Everyone else averages 12pts and under.


Wade was in the top 10 of more statistical catagories.


Wade had a higher efficiency rating.


Wade had better stats.

Wade missed less games.


And the ONLY reason why Nash won the MVP is because the Suns got 1st seed by default because of Duncan's injury.

Do you think they would've given Nash the MVP if they came in 2nd?


LOL!


Every MVP is a shoe in...I guess this means Steve Nash is a Hall of Famer...doesn't that sound a bit funny?

[Experiment2100]

It wasn't Shaq, so I'm happy

[SuBZer0]

they are that damn good.LOL, love your HHH imitation - screen name "The Game" and "you are that damn good" right?

Anyway, why all the hate for Nash?? especially from timvp

Someone mentioned that he won 3 less games with Dallas and no one talked about MVP last year.. well thats because Dallas was already GOOD last year. When he went to Phoenix, there was oh so much potential, but no one had/could tap it. They won, what, 29 games the previous year, and they were confused with each other on the court - no chemistry. PHX needed someone to come and lead them on the court to maximize their potential, discipline them, and guide them. Nash was the perfect fit, and he really brought out the best in them. If Nash wasn't there, they would be a dysfunctional group

Sure, he isn't the best defensive player. However, for leading them and being so valuable to them, he more than deserves the MVP.

[Vashner]

Great a guy who basically hates America get's it. Sure he can play. But there is enough grease in his hair to power Willy Nelson's bio diesel for miles.

[Uncle Donnie]

Who the fuck cares. We all knew Tim wouldn't get it so if they want to give it to the Canadian hippie that's fine by me.

Sure Shaq should have won but I hate his fat ass.

[rayray2k8]

Stat wise i can see why the voted in Nash over shaq..
Some people say that o'neal got snubbed but come on people!!
since when did you guy all of a sudden become shaq fans??? :rolleyes

[Kori Ellis]

Congrats to Steve Nash. I thought they might give it to Shaq because of Nash's lack of D -- but Nash definitely means a lot to his team.

Now if someone can explain to me why he changed so much in the face over the past few years, I'd appreciate it.

2000
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2005
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Is he a lot thinner now? He got so PlanetoftheApes-ish.

[milkyway21]

Nash vs. Shaq

if i was to vote i'd go for my most-hated NBA player SHAQ.

Reasons:

-the Lakers became a lottery team when ShaQ was traded to Miami. Dallas still a winning team despite Nash' absence.

-ShaQ only have Dwyne Wade on his side, while Steve Nash has Ex-ROY Amare, Marion, Q.Rich.

-ShaQ has better stats in ppg/FG% and defense. Nash tops only in assists/game.

and;

It's harder to stop ShaQ than a Steve Nash.

[dav4463]

I really don't see how Shaq could not be league MVP. He leaves a team that made it to the finals and they don't even make the playoffs without him. He joins a team that was a 4 or 5 seed and makes them the #1 team in the East. It's no contest to me. Shaq and Duncan should be co-MVP's every year if it is really a "most valuable player" award because they are the cornerstone of their teams. Garnett ??? Duncan definitely deserved it over him last year.

[ShoogarBear]

Nash is the first MVP to make two teams better in one year: the team he played for and the team he left.

[ambchang]

First, congrats to Nash.
Second, all this talk about Nash sucking on D is true, but what about Shaq? The guy really hasn't been that great on defense during the regular season. Rebounds? Blocked Shots? Those are just statistics, Shaq has not been able to step out and challenge the pick and roll, and he has been slow on rotations all the time. Sure, it's not as bad as Nash's, but it's not all-defensive material either.
BTW, did Bob McAdoo win the MVP a few decades back? His D sucked didn't it?

[Obstructed_View]

Steve Nash comes to a team that, in addition to himself, gained a healthy (played 25 more games), older, and developing Amare Stoudamire, one of the top three point shooters in the league, and what will probably end up being coach of the year for his first full season. Oh, yeah, this team had no point guard last year nor does it have a backup point guard this year UIM.

Not sure which of those things somehow makes him the best player in the league, but I can see how it would pad the shit out of his stats. Nash may not lead the league in steals, but he got the biggest one so far this season.

[lefty]

Congratulations Steve Nash

[DAF86]

Ginobili should have won it, imho, tbh, fwiw.

[Kool Bob Love]

Lakers paying Nash in 2014. Lmao.

[Obstructed_View]

Nash is the first MVP to make two teams better in one year: the team he played for and the team he left.

Still one of the best quotes ever.

[TheyCallMePro]

How do you find these threads from 9 years ago?

[baseline bum]

The playoffs have a way of exposing fraud MVP's., that's all.

Don't give a crap what Phoenix's record was w or w/o Nash - just because he's vital to the system they play doesn't make him an MVP.

Check out the Spurs record in the few games Bowen has missed - it's pretty damn startling and revealing, does that make him an MVP.

Swap Wade & Nash - are the Heat any better? Are the Suns that much worse? NOW swap Shaq and Amare, what happens?

In a Spurs - Suns series, if Nash goes out, do you completely discount the Suns? I sure as hell don't. If Tim goes out, are the Spurs even getting by Memphis?

Let's start a list of players the Suns would trade Nash for (bet at least 1 point guard might come up) - now lets do the same with the Heat with O'Neal and the Spurs w/Duncan - those lists are pretty damned short - and not a single power forward or Center would be listed.

Nash is the beneficiary of right place/right time. Kidd, Bibby, possibly Miller, would have had similar success w/that roster at that time. They simply needed a true point guard to get those horses the ball ANY TRUE POINT GUARD!!!

Finally, let's look at where the teams the top candidates came FROM last year are at right now. The Lakers, who received quite a bit of talent in return for Shaq, AND who were in the FINALS last year are at home licking their wounds. The Mavericks, who received ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for Nash are better than last season.

Yeah, Nash is the MVP. :rolleyes



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[baseline bum]

I can't believe Steve freakin' Nash won MVP. I want to see the Suns go down in flames in the playoffs. If that happens, 15 years from now people will look back and wonder WTF the voters were thinking.

Well, it has been 9 years and it looks pretty retarded tbh

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[TheGreatYacht]

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