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EricB
04-23-2010, 08:55 AM
Dick Bavetta Dan Crawford Rodney Mott.

TDMVPDPOY
04-23-2010, 08:55 AM
now thats just fuckd up

coyotes_geek
04-23-2010, 08:57 AM
Well, at least we got the right Crawford...........

Das Texan
04-23-2010, 08:59 AM
Saving Joey for later in this series isnt exactly the thing I was looking forward to.

EricB
04-23-2010, 09:01 AM
Joey did the thunder game last night so it's not out of the realm that he'd do the game Sunday...

anakha
04-23-2010, 09:02 AM
Wasn't there some sort of article published before about Bavetta tending to blow more whistles in favor of home teams?

KenziE
04-23-2010, 09:07 AM
dick B aint that bad of a ref hes pretty accurate way way way better than the other crwaford who wants to fight timmy D

Ryvin1
04-23-2010, 09:11 AM
Anyone know the win-losses at home record with these guys?

EricB
04-23-2010, 09:13 AM
dick B aint that bad of a ref hes pretty accurate way way way better than the other crwaford who wants to fight timmy D

Dick bavetta is one of the worst refs around... Only violet Palmer is worse and WTF happened to her and Steve Javie?!?!

Saul Silver
04-23-2010, 09:17 AM
:lmao Dan Crawford

Mavs are fucked

monosylab3k
04-23-2010, 09:18 AM
:lmao Dan Crawford

Mavs are fucked

Yup.

Fucked.

EricB
04-23-2010, 09:21 AM
I hope the assignments are as friendly as everyone says. If so I anticipate an Eddie Rush Joey Crawford Michael zuhlinski trio Sunday.

jdev82
04-23-2010, 09:23 AM
i saw crawford and near about shit my pants. then i saw dan and i was alright. then i saw knick bavetta and a did shit my pants.

SpurCharger
04-23-2010, 09:29 AM
Dick Bavetta, Is fucking awful! He Never Refs A Fair game. Its always one sided for one team or another.... I hope He likes te spurs tonight...

td4mvp21
04-23-2010, 09:30 AM
Bavetta = free throw fest for both teams

Muser
04-23-2010, 09:33 AM
God fucking dammit, give the shitty refs to the series nobody gives a fuck about. :bang

BigBinBigD
04-23-2010, 09:35 AM
Having Dan Crawford ref this game significantly increases the chances for a Mavs loss. Even if his brother Joey was on the same crew. Shit, that's bad news.

Bartleby
04-23-2010, 09:38 AM
Joey did the thunder game last night so it's not out of the realm that he'd do the game Sunday...

On Timmy's birthday? Nooooooooo!

FromWayDowntown
04-23-2010, 10:07 AM
Danny Crawford is tonight's crew chief. Not entirely convinced that he's either good for the Spurs or bad for the Mavericks. A few years ago, his reputation as a "let them play" official was well-earned, but of late I think he's a bit more willing to call playoff games closely. Spurs haven't seen him in a playoff game since he officiated the Game 1 meltdown at Staples in the 2008 WCF.

MoSpur
04-23-2010, 10:08 AM
Reading that Danny Crawford will be reffing tonight makes me smile. Not saying all the calls are going to go the Spurs way, but he's fair. That's all I want.

silverblk mystix
04-23-2010, 10:18 AM
well, at least it isn't that Zarba prick...

jack0fspeed
04-23-2010, 10:44 AM
Danny Crawford is tonight's crew chief. Not entirely convinced that he's either good for the Spurs or bad for the Mavericks. A few years ago, his reputation as a "let them play" official was well-earned, but of late I think he's a bit more willing to call playoff games closely. Spurs haven't seen him in a playoff game since he officiated the Game 1 meltdown at Staples in the 2008 WCF.


Danny Crawford is good for the Spurs and Bad for the Mavericks. The Mavericks are something like 2-15 in playoff games where he's officiated.

Joey Crawford is a good ref. He's just an ego maniac. Hopefully he's been cured of the I-don't-care-who-you-are-you-better-not-show-me-up disease.

jack0fspeed
04-23-2010, 10:53 AM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2009/05/66468023/1

Stats suggest ref Danny Crawford doesn't love Mavs

Dallas Basketball.com makes a compelling case that referee Danny Crawford's whistle tweets to a different rhythm when he officiates playoff games involving the Dallas Mavericks.

It isn't just that Denver had 36 free throw attempts to Dallas' 13 in Game 1 of that series, with Crawford officiating.

The website says that since 2001 the Mavericks are 1-15 in playoff games worked by Crawford. In the rest of its (non-Crawford) postseason games in that period, Mark Cuban's team was 52-35.

Dallas Basketball.com says Dallas' lone playoff victory with Crawford on the officiating crew was a blowout against Phoenix in 2006.

The website also takes issue with the two NBA Finals games called by Crawford between Dallas and Miami in 2006. In Game 3, Dwyane Wade had 18 free throws for the Heat, and in Game 6 Wade had 21, just two fewer than Dallas' team total.

41times
04-23-2010, 10:56 AM
Little Danny (mav hater) Crawford comes to San Antonio.
All you Spurs fans Bet the Farm on a victory tonight. We are screwed.

Hopefully that means Joey shows up on Sunday!

DPG21920
04-23-2010, 11:00 AM
My, my, my how the tides have turned. Mav fans crying about refs and ft disparity. But but but the nuggets were attacking the rim.

Tp9gospursgo
04-23-2010, 11:04 AM
I hope the other crawford doesn't ref the game on Sunday, cause I'm going to that one. I'm hoping for a sweep at home and to take the 3-1 series lead!

EmptyMan
04-23-2010, 11:09 AM
In what other sport do you know the refs names...oh hell.

in2deep
04-23-2010, 11:09 AM
it would be fucked up if Stern puts Joey Crawford for game 6 or 7

kobyz
04-23-2010, 11:10 AM
not good! Dick Bavetta is Nowitzki boyfriend, he always in favor of Dirk.

Tp9gospursgo
04-23-2010, 11:10 AM
it would be fucked up if Stern puts Joey Crawford for game 6 or 7

Lets hope we win it in five.

Findog
04-23-2010, 11:33 AM
Congratulations on the win tonight Spurs fans.

DBMethos
04-23-2010, 11:38 AM
In what other sport do you know the refs names...oh hell.

Exactly. You don't see people checking out ref/umpire assignments for baseball or football...that's pretty sad.

Findog
04-23-2010, 11:43 AM
Exactly. You don't see people checking out ref/umpire assignments for baseball or football...that's pretty sad.

The only NFL ref I can name is Ed Hochuli. Not only can fans name a lot of the NBA refs, but you know exactly what kind of game you're getting when a certain ref shows up.

Steve Javie gives road teams a good whistle and gets a boner out of riling up the home crowd. Bavetta doesn't like blowouts and will help the losing team out with a few calls to keep a game from getting out of hand. Bennett Salvatore's crews calls 800 fouls and turn the game into a 4-hour free throw shooting contest. Joey Crawford turns himself into the star attraction.

HarlemHeat37
04-23-2010, 12:38 PM
Javie was actually extremely home-biased this season in the limited games he officiated..he called 54.7% of the calls against the road teams and the home team won in 65% of the games he officiated..I know what you mean though, he's usually good to road teams..

As for tonight's refs..

Danny Crawford is statistically one of the more fair refs..he called 50.8% against the road team and 49.2% against the home team this season..nothing crazy, but he was more fair than most refs this season..

The home team won in 63% of the games where Mott officiated, but he was very close to 50-50 in his calls..

Bavetta was arguably the most fair ref this season..the home team won 53% of the games he officiated and the calls were literally 50-50 for each side..

This crew was a lot better than the first 2 in this series, especially statistically..obviously the playoffs are a different animal though..

polandprzem
04-23-2010, 12:43 PM
Wasn't there some sort of article published before about Bavetta tending to blow more whistles in favor of home teams?


I don't know but he definately goes with the flow of the game to make it as close as it could be on the scores.

He will be the leading ref as I assume, but damn we have great refs for tonight

polandprzem
04-23-2010, 12:46 PM
Danny Crawford is tonight's crew chief.


ah ok

Whisky Dog
04-23-2010, 02:21 PM
Dan Crawford and Dicky B called games tend to favor the home team, but they also become free throw contests at times which would favor the mavs. Dicky also has the rep as the company man who uses his whistle to keep games close, so I'd expect a close one.

Crookshanks
04-23-2010, 02:50 PM
The last Spurs game that Bavetta reffed was the one where Sean made the comment about him needing to swallow his whistle and asked "isn't it past Dick's bedtime?" Sean and Bill said the game was never going to end. I don't remember who the Spurs were playing, but I'm pretty sure they won.

Dirkadirkastan
04-23-2010, 03:09 PM
I remember that Game 1 in Denver. The Nuggets outplayed the Mavs, but the ridiculous calls they got sure helped them too.

41times
04-23-2010, 03:10 PM
Mavs are 1 & 15 in playoff games where Danny Crawford Refs. That is 6%

In all other playoff games the Mavs are 60%

6% vs. 60%!

So there is a 94% chance the Spurs win tonight!

and you thought Joey Crawford was bad for the Spurs!

Warlord23
04-23-2010, 03:12 PM
Bavetta is prone to prolonging the game with constant whistles and trying to keep the score close. OTOH, Dan Crawford allows more physical play. Who will prevail?

Dirkadirkastan
04-23-2010, 03:14 PM
mavs are 1 & 15 in playoff games where danny crawford refs. That is 6%

in all other playoff games the mavs are 60%

6% vs. 60%!

So there is a 94% chance the spurs win tonight!

And you thought joey crawford was bad for the spurs!

1-16

cheguevara
04-23-2010, 03:17 PM
Mavs are 1 & 15 in playoff games where Danny Crawford Refs. That is 6%

In all other playoff games the Mavs are 60%

6% vs. 60%!

So there is a 94% chance the Spurs win tonight!

and you thought Joey Crawford was bad for the Spurs!

so why don't you guys forfeit then. Rest your players for game 4 :toast

Hooks
04-23-2010, 03:20 PM
I can't stand Bavetta, Dan is alright though.

Crookshanks
04-23-2010, 03:23 PM
The question is - are the Mavs players as aware of this stat as the fans? And if so, will it affect their play, like Joey Crawford did to Timmy and the Spurs for awhile?

lurker
04-23-2010, 03:26 PM
it would be fucked up if Stern puts Joey Crawford for game 6 or 7
If by fucked up you mean only fair. If Mavs are going to get a ref they have a well documented history with, we damn well better see Joey Crawford at some point.

Velo
04-23-2010, 03:42 PM
Dick Bavetta, Is fucking awful! He Never Refs A Fair game. Its always one sided for one team or another.... I hope He likes te spurs tonight...


He maybe awful, but we can't fault him for not being animated, even at 443 years old.:lol

iminol
04-23-2010, 03:46 PM
l (http://twitter.com/iminol) RT @docktora (http://twitter.com/docktora) Mavs have supposedly lost 16 of last 17 p/o games officiated by danny crawford - who has tonight's game

EVAY
04-23-2010, 04:00 PM
The only NFL ref I can name is Ed Hochuli. Not only can fans name a lot of the NBA refs, but you know exactly what kind of game you're getting when a certain ref shows up.

Steve Javie gives road teams a good whistle and gets a boner out of riling up the home crowd. Bavetta doesn't like blowouts and will help the losing team out with a few calls to keep a game from getting out of hand. Bennett Salvatore's crews calls 800 fouls and turn the game into a 4-hour free throw shooting contest. Joey Crawford turns himself into the star attraction.

Now this is a guy who has been paying attention to basketball games!

You are ever so right! Bavetta 'manages' the games so that the tv audience can stay interested if it looks like it is gonna be a blowout by either side. I've seen him do it over and over again.


Mavs fans, though...you didn't want Bennett Salvatore because you thought he would be bad for you...now you are all saying that Dan Crawford is the worst for you....Since Salvatore sent Nowitzki to line about 50 times in that fiorst game I assume that you all are planning on having the same impact on Crawford tonight. ... Which means you all should win big as a function of lots of fouls being called on the spurs.

The one I do not want to see ref a game between Mavs and Spurs is Javie...because that man is in love with Dallas WHENEVER they play the spurs.
He keeps games close and then in the final moments calls the fouls against the spurs....every time. I honestly think he is on the take.

FromWayDowntown
04-23-2010, 04:03 PM
If by fucked up you mean only fair. If Mavs are going to get a ref they have a well documented history with, we damn well better see Joey Crawford at some point.

In the first round of the playoffs, there are 8 crew chiefs. In the last few years, I can only find one instance (BOS/CHI in 09) where a chief worked more than 1 game in a series (Javie was the chief of 2 games in that series). Usually, if a series goes 7 games, it means that the teams will see all but 1 of the crew chiefs.

This year, the 8 crew chiefs are:

Dan Crawford
Joe Crawford
Joe Derosa
Scott Foster
Ken Mauer
Monty McCutchen
Ed Rush
Bennett Salvatore

DAL/SA have seen 3 of those -- Salvatore, Mauer, and D. Crawford. Since we know we're going at least 5, we know that we'll see at least 2 more of them; we'll know better tomorrow who those might be. I'd suspect, though, that we'll definitely see Joe Crawford at some point in this series. In fact, I think it's at least reasonably probable that he'll call Game 4.

But if I was a Mavs fan, the guy I'd be rooting to have show up for a playoff game against the Spurs is Ed Rush. Since 2001, the Spurs are 8-14 (.364) with Rush on the floor; they're 74-38 in other playoff games (.661). They're also 0-3 against the Mavs when Rush officiates and 13-9 otherwise against the Mavs.

FromWayDowntown
04-23-2010, 04:06 PM
The one I do not want to see ref a game between Mavs and Spurs is Javie

Since Steve Javie hasn't worked an NBA game since December 19, 2009, I feel confident that you won't see him in this series or at any point during the 2010 NBA Playoffs.

EVAY
04-23-2010, 04:12 PM
Since Steve Javie hasn't worked an NBA game since December 19, 2009, I feel confident that you won't see him in this series or at any point during the 2010 NBA Playoffs.

That makes me happy. But do you know why that is the case? (honest question, I have no idea, but doesn't it seem odd?)

jack0fspeed
04-23-2010, 04:19 PM
The real record is 3-13 with Dan Crawford officiating. This includes 3 previous DAL vs SAS games ... all Dallas losses.

Date Tm Opp PTS PTS FT Diff
4/28/2001 DAL UTA W 94 91 19 Scott Foster , Eddie F. Rush , Dan Crawford
5/14/2001 DAL @ SAS L 87 105 3 Mike Callahan , Bernie Fryer , Dan Crawford
5/4/2003 DAL POR W 107 95 7 BOB DELANEY, DAN CRAWFORD, STEVE JAVIE
5/6/2003 DAL SAC L 113 124 -15 DAN CRAWFORD, JACK NIES, TONY BROTHERS
5/15/2003 DAL @ SAC L 109 115 -10 BOB DELANEY, DAN CRAWFORD, JOE FORTE
5/23/2003 DAL SAS L 83 96 -20 BILL SPOONER, BOB DELANEY, DAN CRAWFORD
4/23/2005 DAL HOU L 86 98 22 Dan Crawford , James Capers , Ken Mauer
4/25/2005 DAL HOU L 111 113 -1 Dan Crawford , Greg Willard , Mark Wunderlich
5/9/2005 DAL @ PHO L 102 127 -16 Dan Crawford, Ken Mauer, Monty Mccutchen
5/7/2006 DAL @ SAS L 85 87 -2 Dan Crawford , Greg Willard , Mark Wunderlich
6/1/2006 DAL PHO W 117 101 8 Dan Crawford , Jack Nies , Ken Mauer
6/13/2006 DAL @ MIA L 96 98 -8 Dan Crawford , Jack Nies , Ken Mauer
6/20/2006 DAL MIA L 92 95 -14 #43 Dan Crawford , #29 Steve Javie , #32 Eddie F. Rush
4/27/2007 DAL @ GSW L 91 109 3 #43 Dan Crawford , #21 Tim Donaghy , #45
4/29/2008 DAL @ NOH L 94 99 -1 Scott Foster , Dan Crawford , Bill Kennedy
5/3/2009 DAL @ DEN L 95 109 -23 David Jones , Tom Washington , Dan Crawford




Dan Crawford avg ft diff -3
overall playoff avg ft diff -1.79

FromWayDowntown
04-23-2010, 04:26 PM
That makes me happy. But do you know why that is the case? (honest question, I have no idea, but doesn't it seem odd?)

Despite the giddiness that many would have at the idea that Javie was somehow disciplined, his absence is the result of an injury and nothing else. I'm sure he'll be back next season and will again be among the very best officials in the league.

FromWayDowntown
04-23-2010, 04:27 PM
The real record is 3-13 with Dan Crawford officiating. This includes 3 previous DAL vs SAS games ... all Dallas losses.

Date Tm Opp PTS PTS FT Diff
4/28/2001 DAL UTA W 94 91 19 Scott Foster , Eddie F. Rush , Dan Crawford
5/14/2001 DAL @ SAS L 87 105 3 Mike Callahan , Bernie Fryer , Dan Crawford
5/4/2003 DAL POR W 107 95 7 BOB DELANEY, DAN CRAWFORD, STEVE JAVIE
5/6/2003 DAL SAC L 113 124 -15 DAN CRAWFORD, JACK NIES, TONY BROTHERS
5/15/2003 DAL @ SAC L 109 115 -10 BOB DELANEY, DAN CRAWFORD, JOE FORTE
5/23/2003 DAL SAS L 83 96 -20 BILL SPOONER, BOB DELANEY, DAN CRAWFORD
4/23/2005 DAL HOU L 86 98 22 Dan Crawford , James Capers , Ken Mauer
4/25/2005 DAL HOU L 111 113 -1 Dan Crawford , Greg Willard , Mark Wunderlich
5/9/2005 DAL @ PHO L 102 127 -16 Dan Crawford, Ken Mauer, Monty Mccutchen
5/7/2006 DAL @ SAS L 85 87 -2 Dan Crawford , Greg Willard , Mark Wunderlich
6/1/2006 DAL PHO W 117 101 8 Dan Crawford , Jack Nies , Ken Mauer
6/13/2006 DAL @ MIA L 96 98 -8 Dan Crawford , Jack Nies , Ken Mauer
6/20/2006 DAL MIA L 92 95 -14 #43 Dan Crawford , #29 Steve Javie , #32 Eddie F. Rush
4/27/2007 DAL @ GSW L 91 109 3 #43 Dan Crawford , #21 Tim Donaghy , #45
4/29/2008 DAL @ NOH L 94 99 -1 Scott Foster , Dan Crawford , Bill Kennedy
5/3/2009 DAL @ DEN L 95 109 -23 David Jones , Tom Washington , Dan Crawford




Dan Crawford avg ft diff -3
overall playoff avg ft diff -1.79

Honestly curious where you were able to create a report like that. Could you post a link to your source. I don't doubt your data at all.

HarlemHeat37
04-23-2010, 04:35 PM
If anybody is interested in NBA ref stats..

http://www.nbastuffer.com/tag/NBA_Referees.html

They have playoff stats as well..