Joey Crawford Might be Coming to Town...

[BillMc]

Joey Crawford is officiating for Game 4.

Should add another intrigue to the game...

[alchemist]

Game 4 is bigger than Joey, the Spurs have a golden opportunity to "put the clamps" on the Mavs. I don't see them wasting that chance.

[50 cent]

Bring Joey on.....Better to get him at home than on the road.

[hsxvvd]

I was hoping for game 5, but it's better to get him out of the way sooner rather than later.

[MateoNeygro]

I eFFin hate that fat bald bastard. He better not screw us over. I just hope the Spurs don't even give him that chance. Play hard and smart and the Spurs will be up 3-1 by Monday morning.

[BillMc]

bring joey on.....better to get him at home than on the road.

+1

[timvp]

Is this a guess?

[Shaolin-Style]

If that's true I don't see the big deal. If I remember he was pretty impartial the last go around.

Though the Barry no call still pisses me off but he wasn't alone in that.

[Stamm32089]

Is this a guess?

Yeah. Refs aren't announced until gameday. I could see it happening though.

Mavs: 1-16 with Danny in the playoffs
Spurs: Always getting screwed by Joey

Stern likes to play these mind games.

[BillMc]

Is this a guess?

I actually slightly misread this post by ESPN's Marc Stein:

"But there's lots for the Mavs to fix even if San Antonio's least favorite referee -- Joey Crawford -- is here to work Game 4."

My mistake, I thought it was a definite. Sorry. Still, Stein makes it sound likely.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100423/daily-dime

[exstatic]

Actually, Joey's venom is more specific: Dampier will be able to do whatever he wants to Tim on defense. I'd put the over/under on Tims FTAs at 3. He'll give calls to Manu and Tony, though. He doesn't hate the Spurs, just Tim.

[nkdlunch]

I heard Joey was out late last night trollin San Anton streets lookin for fights

[K-State Spur]

I'd rather have him for game 5 in Dallas. For all of his ego and bitterness, he's unlikely to give one player on the home team more FTs than the entire road team.

[Obstructed_View]

Joey Crawford is officiating for Game 4.

Should add another intrigue to the game...

If that happens, I may have to stop believing that the system is random.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm almost 100% certain that Scott Foster is going to be the crew chief for Game 4.

I've said it before, but here's how I get there. There are 8 crew chiefs in this round. The Spurs and Mavs have seen 3 of them -- Bennett Salvatore, Ken Mauer, and Dan Crawford.

There are 4 other chiefs working the Saturday games -- Joey Crawford, Joe Derosa, Monty McCutchen, and Ed Rush.

I presume to things: (1) the league won't repeat a crew chief in a series within the first 4 games (it hasn't done that for as long as I've paid attention); and (2) the league won't have its officials working back-to-backs in playoffs (it almost never does that).

If both of those things are true, it leaves only one possible chief for Game 4 -- Foster.

It also means that for Game 5 and Games 6 and 7, if they become necessary, the the odds are strong that Joey will be the crew chief; at the very least, assuming the Foster guess is correct, we know that Game 5's lead official will come from a pool consisting of today's chiefs.

[EricB]

For some reason zach zarba was there last night. But he didn't ref. Strange....

[gospursgojas]

For some reason zach zarba was there last night. But he didn't ref. Strange....

They always have to have a back up in case Dick finally dies

[FromWayDowntown]

They've always had alternates, but this year - for the first time that I can remember - the alternates are out on the floor before games. At the beginning of Game 2, there was a crowd shot on the FSSW feed in which you could see the alternate (Pat Fraher, I think) leaving the floor, too.

[ShoogarBear]

You better watch out
You better not shout

[birdy219]

It won't be joey tomorrow. He is reffing the Orlando game today.

He will be there for game 5.

:flag:

Probably Foster tomorrow.

[Morg1411]

They always have to have a back up in case Dick finally dies

:lol

[ohmwrecker]

Joey hasn't been that biased against the Spurs (Tim) since Stern bitch slapped him with that suspension, but it IS the playoffs and he IS an ego maniac.

[TwAnKiEs]

Everyone spam Timmy's mailbox asking not to laugh.. please for the love of God! :bang

[Avitus1]

Better to get that bald fuck outta the way at home than in Dallas!

[clambake]

don't sweat it. our coach blows.

[Sec24Row7]

I don't mind Joey... he's a good ref when he keeps his personal emotions in check...

Getting Salvator out of the way early was nice.

Mavs complain a lot about Danny Crawford... but I think pretty much the sole reason that they don't do well with his ref crew is because he doesn't fall for all the dirk flail shenanigans on the jumpshots and dirk won't adjust and go to the basket...

[Obstructed_View]

Joey hasn't been that biased against the Spurs (Tim) since Stern bitch slapped him with that suspension, but it IS the playoffs and he IS an ego maniac.

Didn't he cost them a playoff game with a non-call? Only takes one if the Spurs can't put the game away on their own.

[Dex]

You better watch out
You better not shout

You better not laugh, I'm telling you why.

Mr. Magoo is coming to town.

[jimo2305]

http://www.kcsti.com/kcsti05/student/jordan/JoeyCrawfordTechnicalFoul.jpg

lol i love byron scott's reaction..

[toki9]

What's the story between JCrawford and Duncan? I remember the "You want to fight" incident--which was one of the more bizarre incidents in the NBA, but I never understood why JCrawford seemingly doesn't like Duncan so much. Can someone explain?

[Thompson]

Didn't he cost them a playoff game with a non-call? Only takes one if the Spurs can't put the game away on their own.

The playoffs against the Lakers in 2008, I believe the Spurs would have evened up the series 2-2; down by 2 in the final seconds, Derek Fischer lands on Brent Barry... no call. The NBA later said a foul should have been called. The ref who was standing 10 feet away and should have called the foul? Joey Crawford.

Crawford should never be allowed to ref a Spurs game ever again after all the crap that he's been involved in with us, if for no other reason than to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

[EricB]

I think I read a recap that Joey Crawford was at a game today so that reduces the likelyhood...

[dbestpro]

don't sweat it. our coach blows.

But he was suppose to save you from that task master Avery.

[Das Texan]

Put Bennett, Dick and Joey all on one crew for all I fucking care.


Spurs arent going to lose due to the refs anyway if they do lose. Just like they wont win due to the refs in spite of what Mav fans might want to spew. Then again Maverick fans arent known for their basketball acumen.

[Trainwreck2100]

Game 5 for sure

[EricB]

Yeah guaranteed no Joey for game 4.

Officials: #17 Joe Crawford, #73 Ed Malloy, #40 Leon Wood

Thats the officials for Orlando V Charlotte today.

Portland V Phoenix was this

Officials: #32 Eddie F. Rush, #54 Derrick Collins, #10 Ron Garretson

Milwaukee V Atlanta
Officials: #13 Monty McCutchen, #25 Tony Brothers, #19 James Capers

LA OKC

Officials: #14 Joe DeRosa, #33 Sean Corbin, #38 Michael Smith


Im wondering who that leaves for game 4....

[dickface]

Put Bennett, Dick and Joey all on one crew for all I fucking care.


Spurs arent going to lose due to the refs anyway if they do lose. Just like they wont win due to the refs in spite of what Mav fans might want to spew. Then again Maverick fans arent known for their basketball acumen.

kill yourself, faggot. Every Spur fan alive was bitching about the FT disparity after Game 1.

[Mel_13]

Yeah guaranteed no Joey for game 4.

Officials: #17 Joe Crawford, #73 Ed Malloy, #40 Leon Wood

Thats the officials for Orlando V Charlotte today.

Portland V Phoenix was this

Officials: #32 Eddie F. Rush, #54 Derrick Collins, #10 Ron Garretson

Milwaukee V Atlanta
Officials: #13 Monty McCutchen, #25 Tony Brothers, #19 James Capers

LA OKC

Officials: #14 Joe DeRosa, #33 Sean Corbin, #38 Michael Smith


Im wondering who that leaves for game 4....


I'm almost 100% certain that Scott Foster is going to be the crew chief for Game 4.

I've said it before, but here's how I get there. There are 8 crew chiefs in this round. The Spurs and Mavs have seen 3 of them -- Bennett Salvatore, Ken Mauer, and Dan Crawford.

There are 4 other chiefs working the Saturday games -- Joey Crawford, Joe Derosa, Monty McCutchen, and Ed Rush.

I presume to things: (1) the league won't repeat a crew chief in a series within the first 4 games (it hasn't done that for as long as I've paid attention); and (2) the league won't have its officials working back-to-backs in playoffs (it almost never does that).

If both of those things are true, it leaves only one possible chief for Game 4 -- Foster.

It also means that for Game 5 and Games 6 and 7, if they become necessary, the the odds are strong that Joey will be the crew chief; at the very least, assuming the Foster guess is correct, we know that Game 5's lead official will come from a pool consisting of today's chiefs.

[EricB]

If thats true I pray for McCutchen and and DeRosa for 5 and possible 6.

[EricB]

BTW, if true its Foster, would love to know his tendencies. I barely recognize him, from what I remember he's decent.

[Mel_13]

BTW, if true its Foster, would love to know his tendencies. I barely recognize him, from what I remember he's decent.


http://www.nbastuffer.com/tag/NBA_Referees.html

http://www.covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/nba/statistics/2009-2010/referee_ats.html&t=0

[GSH]

The playoffs against the Lakers in 2008, I believe the Spurs would have evened up the series 2-2; down by 2 in the final seconds, Derek Fischer lands on Brent Barry... no call. The NBA later said a foul should have been called. The ref who was standing 10 feet away and should have called the foul? Joey Crawford.

Crawford should never be allowed to ref a Spurs game ever again after all the crap that he's been involved in with us, if for no other reason than to avoid the appearance of impropriety.


Yep... and you remember how all the Laker trolls kept insisting that it wasn't a foul, and that it wouldn't have made any difference? Then the league made one of its rare statements saying that it was a blown call. The difference between 3-1 and 2-2 is night and day.

The thing that made that call so bad was that the two players were basically isolated on the court, and were the obvious center of attention. Crawford either willfully decided to abort the rules, or he showed criminally piss-poor judgment. Either way, it should have reduced his value as a playoff official. To about zero.

[EricB]

interesting.

[slayermin]

I'm gonna try to compile my ref stats but from my last count, the names the Spurs needed to worry about were Eddie F. Rush, Bennett Salvatore, and Jack Nies. I think we are barely .500 when one of these three refs are on the floor.

Our playoff winning pct. with the Crawfords, Dick, and Javie is pretty damn good. I think it's close to .650 or so. I will try to compile numbers to backup my statement.

[greyforest]

I'm gonna try to compile my ref stats but from my last count, the names the Spurs needed to worry about were Eddie F. Rush, Bennett Salvatore, and Jack Nies. I think we are barely .500 when one of these three refs are on the floor.

Our playoff winning pct. with the Crawfords, Dick, and Javie is pretty damn good. I think it's close to .650 or so. I will try to compile numbers to backup my statement.

our playoff winning pct. is like .670 since pop

[polandprzem]

Dallas @ San Antonio

Scott Foster
Bob Delaney
David Jones


tHERE WILL BE SOME LATE CALL AND CONTROVERSY

[Warlord23]

Some interesting stats from the NBAStuffer.com site:

1. Among all officials who've refereed at least 10 regular season games, Scott Foster has the highest number of called fouls per game at 43.8. In his 3 playoff games, this number has gone up to 50.3.
Conclusion: Expect a lot of whistles in this game.

2. During the regular season, Scott Foster officiated games saw the home team get whistled for 48.6 % of all fouls. In the playoffs, this number is now 51%.
Conclusion: No home cooking, especially in the post season where the road team has got the better deal so far

3. During the regular season, Scott Foster games saw an average point differential of +2.9 points for the home team. In 3 playoff games, this number is +3.3. As a comparison, Dick Bavetta has a differential of +1.
Conclusion: Nothing noteworthy, it doesn't look like he wants to keep the scores close.

[hsxvvd]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/15290/steve-javie-not-refereeing-the-playoffs

Interesting... sorry if it's already been posted.

[VBM]

Apr. 25 Dallas @ San Antonio Scott Foster Bob Delaney David Jones

http://www.nba.com/news/referee.html

[TampaDude]

I'm almost 100% certain that Scott Foster is going to be the crew chief for Game 4.

I've said it before, but here's how I get there. There are 8 crew chiefs in this round. The Spurs and Mavs have seen 3 of them -- Bennett Salvatore, Ken Mauer, and Dan Crawford.

There are 4 other chiefs working the Saturday games -- Joey Crawford, Joe Derosa, Monty McCutchen, and Ed Rush.

I presume to things: (1) the league won't repeat a crew chief in a series within the first 4 games (it hasn't done that for as long as I've paid attention); and (2) the league won't have its officials working back-to-backs in playoffs (it almost never does that).

If both of those things are true, it leaves only one possible chief for Game 4 -- Foster.

It also means that for Game 5 and Games 6 and 7, if they become necessary, the the odds are strong that Joey will be the crew chief; at the very least, assuming the Foster guess is correct, we know that Game 5's lead official will come from a pool consisting of today's chiefs.

Dallas @ San Antonio - Scott Foster, Bob Delaney, David Jones

Well played, sir! :toast

[ElNono]

In my book, the longest we can avoid Eddie Rush, the better.

[VBM]

Dallas @ San Antonio

Scott Foster
Bob Delaney
David Jones


tHERE WILL BE SOME LATE CALL AND CONTROVERSY

Winner...didn't realize it had been posted already.

[FromWayDowntown]

I also don't think Joey's got Game 5 of this series.

There are 3 games tomorrow night (Monday) -- ORL @ CHA, ATL @ MIL, PRT @ PNX. Unless one of today's crew chiefs is going to work a highly-unusual playoff back-to-back, 3 of the 4 chiefs who worked yesterday will work those 3 games. That means, that McCutchen, J. Crawford, Rush, and Derosa. Of those 4, McCutchen, Derosa, and Rush have already worked games in the Phoenix/Portland series, leaving only Joey Crawford as: (a) having worked Saturday; and (b) not having worked a game in PNX/PRT. If form holds, Joey has that game.

That should mean that the crew chief for Game 5 of DAL/SA is one of Derosa, McCutchen, and Rush.

[Bartleby]

I also don't think Joey's got Game 5 of this series.

There are 3 games tomorrow night (Monday) -- ORL @ CHA, ATL @ MIL, PRT @ PNX. Unless one of today's crew chiefs is going to work a highly-unusual playoff back-to-back, 3 of the 4 chiefs who worked yesterday will work those 3 games. That means, that McCutchen, J. Crawford, Rush, and Derosa. Of those 4, McCutchen, Derosa, and Rush have already worked games in the Phoenix/Portland series, leaving only Joey Crawford as: (a) having worked Saturday; and (b) not having worked a game in PNX/PRT. If form holds, Joey has that game.

That should mean that the crew chief for Game 5 of DAL/SA is one of Derosa, McCutchen, and Rush.

Reminds me of a GRE question

[exstatic]

I'm almost 100% certain that Scott Foster is going to be the crew chief for Game 4.

I've said it before, but here's how I get there. There are 8 crew chiefs in this round. The Spurs and Mavs have seen 3 of them -- Bennett Salvatore, Ken Mauer, and Dan Crawford.

There are 4 other chiefs working the Saturday games -- Joey Crawford, Joe Derosa, Monty McCutchen, and Ed Rush.

I presume to things: (1) the league won't repeat a crew chief in a series within the first 4 games (it hasn't done that for as long as I've paid attention); and (2) the league won't have its officials working back-to-backs in playoffs (it almost never does that).

If both of those things are true, it leaves only one possible chief for Game 4 -- Foster.

It also means that for Game 5 and Games 6 and 7, if they become necessary, the the odds are strong that Joey will be the crew chief; at the very least, assuming the Foster guess is correct, we know that Game 5's lead official will come from a pool consisting of today's chiefs.

This. FWD, FTW.
the link will only be current for today's date (http://www.nba.com/news/referee.html)

[exstatic]

I'm gonna try to compile my ref stats but from my last count, the names the Spurs needed to worry about were Eddie F. Rush, Bennett Salvatore, and Jack Nies. I think we are barely .500 when one of these three refs are on the floor.

Our playoff winning pct. with the Crawfords, Dick, and Javie is pretty damn good. I think it's close to .650 or so. I will try to compile numbers to backup my statement.

Nies retired before this year, and supposedly Javie isn't reffing playoff games.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I also don't think Joey's got Game 5 of this series.

There are 3 games tomorrow night (Monday) -- ORL @ CHA, ATL @ MIL, PRT @ PNX. Unless one of today's crew chiefs is going to work a highly-unusual playoff back-to-back, 3 of the 4 chiefs who worked yesterday will work those 3 games. That means, that McCutchen, J. Crawford, Rush, and Derosa. Of those 4, McCutchen, Derosa, and Rush have already worked games in the Phoenix/Portland series, leaving only Joey Crawford as: (a) having worked Saturday; and (b) not having worked a game in PNX/PRT. If form holds, Joey has that game.

That should mean that the crew chief for Game 5 of DAL/SA is one of Derosa, McCutchen, and Rush.

Dude you are nails on the ref rotations :tu

I suspect we will see Rush for game 5.

[ShoogarBear]

All things being equal, I'd rather see Joey in a road game than a home game. I get the sense he enjoys sticking it to the home crowd every so often.

[FromWayDowntown]

I suspect we will see Rush for game 5.

We should know with certainty by about 9 am tomorrow.

For what it's worth, I think the 2nd and 3rd officials for Tuesday come from a pool consisting of:

Tony Brothers
Sean Corbin
Marc Davis
Ron Garretson
Eric Lewis
Ed Malloy
Bill Spooner
Derrick Stafford
Tom Washington
Leon Wood

[easjer]

Once again, FWD owns regarding refs and scheduling. Impressive.

[PublicOption]

its funny how the people here already knew just by the ref what kind of game it will be.




THAT IS FUCKING PATHETIC.......why do we watch this shit?

[Avitus1]

Fuck that bald fagot! Spurs FTW!

[shelshor]

Dallas @ San Antonio

Scott Foster
Bob Delaney
David Jones


tHERE WILL BE SOME LATE CALL AND CONTROVERSY

For what its worth:
http://phillyref.com/basketball/nbarefs/nbarefs.html#r32
David Jones was born in Ft Worth & lives in Gainesville

[badfish22]

Wait after all this hes not going to ref. :bang

[DPG21920]

Wait after all this hes not going to ref. :bang

:blah

[EricB]

Davey jones?! Oh brother....

[slayermin]

our playoff winning pct. is like .670 since pop

It's .619, according to basketball reference.

According to my count, since 2001, here is our playoff record with these refs:

Scott Foster (4-2 .667)
David Jones (1-4 .200)
Bob Delaney (13-7 .650)

And I guess the hate on Joey is warranted. We have lost 5 out of our last 7 playoff games when he's in the house. Overall, since '01, our record with him is (11-7 .611).

Some other notable refs and playoff won/loss since 2001:

James Capers (8-1 .889)
Greg Willard (9-2 .818)
Sean Corbin (4-1 .800)
Dan Crawford (18-6 .750)
Derrick Stafford (8-3 .727)
Dick Bavetta (17-7 .708)
Joe Forte (8-4 .667)
Steve Javie (13-7 .650)
Mark Wunderlich (7-4 .636)
Mike Callahan (14-8 .636)
Joe Derosa (10-6 .625)
Ken Mauer (8-5 .615)
Jim Clark (6-4 .600)
Tom Washington (6-4 .600)
Bernie Fryer (11-8 .579)
Monty McCutchen (6-5 .545)
Ron Garretson (10-9 .526)
Tony Brothers (2-2 .500)
Bill Spooner (4-4 .500)
Jack Nies (7-8 .467)
Bennett Salvatore (10-13 .435)
Eddie F. Rush (8-14 .364)
Tim Donaghy (1-2 .333)
Zach Zarba (0-1 .000)

Since '01, Salvatore and Rush have worked 45 Spurs playoff games between them and 3 together. If my count is right, in 42 playoff games, if one or both of these refs are on the court, we are (17-25 .405).

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[Harry Callahan]

Donaghy reffed 3 SA games from 2001 to 2007, and to top it off the W-L is 1-2. If this is accurate, how in the world could the conclusion that SA got preferential treatment ever be drawn as it relates to Donaghy?

Makes no sense.

[slayermin]

Here are some more stats about the refs tonight:

Referee........W-L Pct.-......Avg FT Diff.-.....Avg FTA.....Avg Opp FTA.....PT Diff Avg.....PF Avg.....PA Avg
Scott Foster (4-2 .667)...........-1.3............25.2............26.5............... 3.0............92.3.............89.3
David Jones (1-4 .200)...........0.2............28.6............28. 4...............-5.4............90.2.............95.6
Bob Delaney (13-7 .650)........4.8............25.9............21.1.. .............2.8............95.0.............92.2

[Solid D]

Decent crew - shouldn't be too many ticky-tacky fouls called.

[awktalk]

Do not forget, Crawford's only sin was not the no-call against the Lakers. He also THREW TIM DUNCAN OUT OF A GAME FOR LAUGHING ON THE BENCH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu1Wz5JQEz8

[Fpoonsie]

Do not forget, Crawford's only sin was not the no-call against the Lakers. He also THREW TIM DUNCAN OUT OF A GAME FOR LAUGHING ON THE BENCH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu1Wz5JQEz8

Tha fuck?! How was ST not ALL OVER THIS?!?!?

[badfish22]

Tha fuck?! How was ST not ALL OVER THIS?!?!?

:lol

[jimo2305]

http://rofljock.com/dallas-mavericks-to-acquire-joey-crawford-for-game-5-against-san-antonio-spurs/

[DesignatedT]

joey crawford is such a fucking joke. i cant even stand looking at that guy.

[toki9]

Just in case anyone was wondering about game 5, Joey is doing tonight's PHX game.

So the odds of him doing either Game 6 or 7 (If it goes that far) are?