Mavs better on paper!??!??!?!?!

[cantthinkofanything]

On the Ticket this morning they were dismissing how hard it was for a team to come back and win 3 straight games by saying that most of the time, the team that is down is an inferior team. I agree with this point. But then they went on to say that the Mavs chances were significantly better to complete the comeback because they were obviously the better team on paper. Heard the same thing before the series started about Mavs clearly having more talent. I'm biased but how can anyone objectively say that Dirk, Kidd, Terry, Butler, Haywood, and Marion are clearly better than Duncan, Parker, Manu, Hill, Jefferson, and the bench. Not to mention the coaches. I guess you can make a point that it's pretty even but to say the Mavs are clearly better?????

[Phillip]

Mavs are clearly the more talented squad. But the Spurs are just very well built, and have the big 3 who have played together for such a long time. If the Mavs had the same core together (Dirk, Kidd, Caron) for 5+ years, this series would have been over in 5.

[BronxCowboy]

Mavs are deeper for sure. I agree with the OP that they aren't much (if any) more talented if you only consider the players he named, but Dampier and Barea are real contibutors, and Beaubois and Stevenson could be too if they got more PT.

[Fpoonsie]

...yes?

[MaNu4Tres]

Mavs are clearly the more talented squad. But the Spurs are just very well built, and have the big 3 who have played together for such a long time. If the Mavs had the same core together (Dirk, Kidd, Caron) for 5+ years, this series would have been over in 5.

:lol

I like how you used clearly like there's such an incredible gap between the talent on both teams.


Dirk, Kidd, Butler together for 5+ years would never achieve 3 championships.

Even if they were together for 5 plus years those 3 are not better than Duncan, Parker, Ginobili.


From 1-7 in the rotation I'd give the Spurs the slight edge However from 7-12 I'd give the edge to the Mavs. Mavs have more versatile and talented depth, but that's irrelevant in the playoffs when teams usually play only 7-9 guys.

[coyotes_geek]

The mavs are the masters at being better on paper.

[101A]

3 of the 4 most talented players (as of right now) in this series are wearing silver and black.

There is no clarity at all in the Mavs being "better on paper".

[Mr. Body]

Not a game yet's been played on paper.

[greensborohill]

Not a game yet's been played on paper.

+++++

[nkdlunch]

the mavs were better on paper than the 2006 Heat, the 2007 Warriors and pretty much every time they lost in the playoffs for the last 10+ years.

[greensborohill]

the mavs were better on paper than the 2006 Heat, the 2007 Warriors and pretty much every time they lost in the playoffs for the last 10+ years.



Heat = yes
Warriors = yes

Hornets = no
Nuggets = no

Were the Mavs better than the Spurs when we beat them last year and in 2006?

And spare me these response :lobt2: :lobt2: :lobt2: :lobt2: , it's fucking lame and fucking old

[nkdlunch]

Heat = yes
Warriors = yes

Hornets = no
Nuggets = no

Were the Mavs better than the Spurs when we beat them last year and in 2006?

And spare me these response :lobt2: :lobt2: :lobt2: :lobt2: , it's fucking lame and fucking old

if the mavs were not better on paper than Spurs in 2006 then there is no way in hell they are better on paper now.

back then we were giving minutes to Nick Van Exel, Beno Udrih and Jaque Vaughn :downspin:

[greensborohill]

if the mavs were not better on paper than Spurs in 2006 then there is no way in hell they are better on paper now.

back then we were giving minutes to Nick Van Exel, Beno Udrih and Jaque Vaughn :downspin:


That's actually not an answer.

A yes or no will suffice

[nkdlunch]

That's actually not an answer.

A yes or no will suffice

agree. still waiting for yours...

[z0sa]

LOL no, they aren't.

[Shank]

I was surprised at how many scrubs the Spurs were able to trot out in garbage time Tuesday night. There were entire 2nd and 3rd units of spares.

[nkdlunch]

I was surprised at how many scrubs the Spurs were able to trot out in garbage time Tuesday night. There were entire 2nd and 3rd units of spares.

what I'm surprised is how is it possible Pop plays Mason(the ultimate scrub) ahead of those scrubs.

[Rummpd]

Mavs are clearly the more talented squad. But the Spurs are just very well built, and have the big 3 who have played together for such a long time. If the Mavs had the same core together (Dirk, Kidd, Caron) for 5+ years, this series would have been over in 5.

B.S.

Define Talent - Parker, Manu, Duncan have come through repeatedly on the largest stage and Hill, Jefferson, Dice, Blair and others have just as much "talent" as the vastly over-rated Marion, Caron, Terry and others. Each of the Mavs beyond Dirk are often inconsistent.

Dirk is a great all time talent and Kidd is one of the best PG ever (but has limitations these days, in particular speed kills him) but is pure BS that Dallas has a more talented squad.

At the worst it is a toss up but give me Spurs healthy any time over the Mavs.

[superfedja]

The mavs are the masters at being better on paper.

hahaha!!!!

[Shank]

what I'm surprised is how is it possible Pop plays Mason(the ultimate scrub) ahead of those scrubs.

Agreed. At the game the other night, in the 2nd quarter, I said "Oh shit! It's Mason!", as I'm sure many of you did as well.

[cd98]

It's that Dallas mentality. They think because they have the second highest payroll in the NBA then they must be better than the other teams.

[Cane]

Richard Jefferson looked better on paper too.

[DBMethos]

Agreed. At the game the other night, in the 2nd quarter, I said "Oh shit! It's Mason!", as I'm sure many of you did as well.

The only difference is, you probably said it with a big ol' grin while the rest of us were trying to grab the nearest object to throw at the TV...

[Shank]

Richard Jefferson looked better on paper too.

On the cover of "Advocate".

[cd98]

B.S.

Define Talent - Parker, Manu, Duncan have come through repeatedly on the largest stage and Hill, Jefferson, Dice, Blair and others have just as much "talent" as the vastly over-rated Marion, Caron, Terry and others. Each of the Mavs beyond Dirk are often inconsistent.

Dirk is a great all time talent and Kidd is one of the best PG ever (but has limitations these days, in particular speed kills him) but is pure BS that Dallas has a more talented squad.

At the worst it is a toss up but give me Spurs healthy any time over the Mavs.

Dallas has more talent if you went back in a time machine about 6 years ago. Kidd is on fumes. Marion is broken down. Butler is in decline.

Just because Kidd was an MVP candidate 6 years ago doesn't mean that he is as good now.

[Shank]

The only difference is, you probably said it with a big ol' grin while the rest of us were trying to grab the nearest object to throw at the TV...

I giggle-farted a little, I'll admit.

[jjktkk]

I don't think either the Mavs or Spurs care who is the most talented team. Show it on the court.

[duhoh]

Not a game yet's been played on paper.

:lol

owned.

[Kori Ellis]

http://www.joelkimmel.com/uploaded_images/dirk_sketch-772992.jpg

http://www.joelkimmel.com/uploaded_images/duncan_detail-727699.jpg

True. Mavs look better on paper.

[jb4g]

Agreed. At the game the other night, in the 2nd quarter, I said "Oh shit! It's Mason!", as I'm sure many of you did as well.


my exact words were "why the fvck is Pop putting Lil richard in the game....what the fvck is he thinking...I was hoping I would never see this fvcking guy again......goddammit POP!!!!!

[Shank]

http://images.yuku.com/image/png/8181675e353a80fe1b43134278e22d7bacc47591.png

[Muser]

Not really, like Findog has been saying Dallas has the best player in the series, but 2/3/4/5 have all been Spurs players.

[taps]

mavs better on paper but spurs play as a team

[Rummpd]

Mason has talent but is having a spasm of his confidence these days.

[Man In Black]

Mavs potentially could be better but reality is, except for Dirk, statistically, they suck all- around.

[jack0fspeed]

I'd say that none of the 2-8 seeds in the west are clearly better any of the others..

[cd98]

Yeah, if Haywood and Butler were that great, there's no way the Wizards would have traded them. They were on a team headed for the lottery without Arenas. So this idea that they are this great players on paper is silly.

Sure they are deep with quality players. But they have one superstar and maybe one borderline all star (Terry) and the rest are just good players (Haywood, Butler), or as is more often the case, great players four years past their prime and in a direct downward decline (Kidd, Marion).

[Supergirl]

:lol

i like how you used clearly like there's such an incredible gap between the talent on both teams.


Dirk, kidd, butler together for 5+ years would never achieve 3 championships.

Even if they were together for 5 plus years those 3 are not better than duncan, parker, ginobili.


From 1-7 in the rotation i'd give the spurs the slight edge however from 7-12 i'd give the edge to the mavs. Mavs have more versatile and talented depth, but that's irrelevant in the playoffs when teams usually play only 7-9 guys.

+1

[MarceloM!]

Not Clearly Better and the games must be played.

[cantthinkofanything]

Ok, without getting into the bench... If I'm picking a starting 5 out of a pool of Spurs / mavs players based on their current playing, Dirk is the only mav that makes it. If I pick 10, it's probably close to 50/50 but 4 of the top 5 are Spurs.

[nkdlunch]

to win a championship:
PG: Kidd
SG: Manu
SF: Butler
PF: Dirk
C: Duncan

[cantthinkofanything]

to win a championship:
PG: Kidd
SG: Manu
SF: Butler
PF: Dirk
C: Duncan


Not saying that's a bad team but how can you leave Parker off when he has won 3 championships with two of those players? Without an up-tempo team, I don't think Kidd makes sense.

[Lukor]

None of the 2 squads are championship teams right now, so who really cares what TheTicket thinks....

[cantthinkofanything]

None of the 2 squads are championship teams right now, so who really cares what TheTicket thinks....

sayeth the team about to be eliminated

[Ghazi]

Spurs are more talented on paper. Mavs have more impressive depth, but the Spurs have more "primetime" talent with the Big 3.

On paper the Spurs were projected to be the 2nd best team in the West this year.

And they very well may be right now.