(Rumor) Missouri/Nebraska to Big Ten

[Thompson]

There are unconfirmed rumors that Missouri and Nebraska are bolting the Big 12 for the Big Ten conference. I've also read other rumors that there is a deal in place for Texas A&M/Texas to join the Pac-10. ESPN apparently reported earlier that Missouri is a done deal, but this article calls that into question.

http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/870

From what I've heard, the Pac-10 for A&M might be the best-case scenario. Anyone else have an opinion on the subject?

[Blake]

Missouri leaving wouldn't be a big stretch.

There's no good reason for the others to leave. Nebraska, UT and A&M are all staying put, imo.

[Blake]

I think down the road, the bigger conferences will end up merging into 4 super conferences of about 16 teams each.

[coyotes_geek]

Didn't the SEC make some noise about looking at expansion? A&M, Texas, OU and somebody else to the SEC would make a lot of sense IMO.

[JMarkJohns]

I heard the Pac-10 was looking at Colorado, but I haven't heard anything about Texas and Texas A&M.

[Blake]

Didn't the SEC make some noise about looking at expansion? A&M, Texas, OU and somebody else to the SEC would make a lot of sense IMO.

Texas and OU don't get into the title game every other year if they belong to the SEC, imo.

[StylisticS]

The Big 12 cannot afford to lose 2 of Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri. Nebraska is the 3rd most popular and 3rd highest revenue team in the conference. Lose Missouri and you lose a chunk of KC and all of St. Louis. Lose Colorado and you lose Denver. If two of those are gone, the Big 12 is done.

[Blake]

The Big 12 cannot afford to lose 2 of Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri. Nebraska is the 3rd most popular and 3rd highest revenue team in the conference. Lose Missouri and you lose a chunk of KC and all of St. Louis. Lose Colorado and you lose Denver. If two of those are gone, the Big 12 is done.

naw, the Big XII would just add UTSA

[starboy]

Didn't the SEC make some noise about looking at expansion? A&M, Texas, OU and somebody else to the SEC would make a lot of sense IMO.

Yeah, I saw the commissioner of the SEC on ESPN yesterday and he was talking about the SEC doing expansion studies. He said they're only doing it just in case the other conferences do grow in size and they feel like they will be left behind. However, at this point they have no desire or commitment to expand.

[vander]

so then the big 10 would have 13? thats a bit of an odd number

[Blake]

so then the big 10 would have 13? thats a bit of an odd number

:lol

as is 11

[Biggems]

Let Iowa St and Kansas St walk. Keep the rest and add TCU and Houston.

Move OU and OSU to the North. This way every year, OU and UT can battle it out for the real Big 12 Championship.

North
OU
OSU
Nebraska
KU
Colorado
Missouri

South
UT
A&M
TCU
TT
Baylor
Houston

[Marklar MM]

Missouri leaving wouldn't be a big stretch.

There's no good reason for the others to leave. Nebraska, UT and A&M are all staying put, imo.

By joining the Big10, Nebraska and Mizzou both stand to increase revenue sharing dollars by no less than double their current numbers. (The worst Big10 team made 22 million last season.).

[Marklar MM]

so then the big 10 would have 13? thats a bit of an odd number

Mizzou, Nebraska, Pitt, Cuse, Rutgers.

All about the money with Cuse/Rutgers. Lock up the New York/New Jersey market. Every house would get the Big10 network.

[NFO]

Missouri leaving wouldn't be a big stretch.

There's no good reason for the others to leave. Nebraska, UT and A&M are all staying put, imo.

The extra 10 mil a year for Nebraska wouldn't be a good enough reason to leave. I don't think UT and A&M are going anywhere either.



I think down the road, the bigger conferences will end up merging into 4 super conferences of about 16 teams each.

I agree with that. Would be interesting to see what teams go where.



Didn't the SEC make some noise about looking at expansion? A&M, Texas, OU and somebody else to the SEC would
make a lot of sense IMO.

Wouldn't a group of Miami, Florida St, Georgia Tech and Clemson make more sense as far as the SEC goes? I think IF UT goes anywhere it would be to the Pac-10.



so then the big 10 would have 13? thats a bit of an odd number

According to that rumor Pitt/Rutgers/Syracuse would also go giving the Big 10 16 teams, essentially eliminating the Big East as a BCS conference and screwing over Notre Dame's sports besides football.




Let Iowa St and Kansas St walk. Keep the rest and add TCU and Houston.

Where would they walk to.... If you think the Big 10 would take those teams you are sadly mistaken.

[Marklar MM]

According to that rumor Pitt/Rutgers/Syracuse would also go giving the Big 10 16 teams, essentially eliminating the Big East as a BCS conference and screwing over Notre Dame's sports besides football.


ND is screwing their own sports. They can't have their cake and eat it to.

[JMarkJohns]

So, for the first time, I'm hearing these rumors about the Pac-10 expansion.

Apparently if you want Texas, you take all three primary schools, so that's Texas, A&M and Tech. With that many, a full-fledged expansion to 16 teams is most likely for the Pac-10 as they are looking at Colorado and either the Kansas Universities or, more likely, the Oklahoma universities and having an 8-team Coastal Division (USC, UCLA, CAL, STAN, ORE, ORE ST, WASH, WASH ST) and an 8-team Mountain Division (AZ, AZ ST, COLO, TEX, TEX A&M, TEX TECH, OLKA, OKLA ST).

For football, they'd kill, with three top-15-type programs. They'd rival the SEC more than likely, and in terms of depth, most certainly. In basketball it makes them marginally better, with Texas being the only real top-20-type addition (unless they go with Kansas over Oklahoma universities, which is unlikely as they would want to retain the UT/OU rivalry in football), but they get some solid depth with A&M, OK and OK ST.

The balance of the divisions sucks right now for football, but that can work itself out with schedules with a half-n-half schedule where every two years your play an opponent.

[mookie2001]

At least this is offseason news


I don't know if yall know but these stories never stop, ever, and they never will because you don't have to like sports or a team to report or talk about these non stories

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Texas never goes to a title game again if the big 12 dissolves though.

[DMX7]

Texas never goes to a title game again if the big 12 dissolves though.

Ahh... No. But I am curious to know what your logic here is.

[mookie2001]

Cbf is down on the program, historically

CFB history is not CBFs forte

[samikeyp]

An article in this week's SI about expansion:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1168948/2/index.htm

You can read it, but its long...here are their 3 scenarios:

Scenario 1:
Big 10 adds Missouri
Pac 10 adds Colorado and Utah
Big 12 adds BYU and TCU

Scenario 2:
Pac 10 adds Colorado and Utah
Big 10 adds Missouri, Nebraska and Rutgers

Scenario 3:
Big 10 adds Missouri, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Pitt and Rutgers
ACC adds Cincinnati, Louisville, Syracuse, and West Virginia
SEC takes Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and A&M

[mookie2001]

That's funny I wonder what they would not consider a "scenario"

[NFO]

It's funny that the Big 10 would consider taking the shittiest teams from the Big 12 to improve itself

If they could take Texas or Oklahoma they would.

What is funny though is how Indiana, Purdue and Northwestern make more than double in TV revenue than the almighty Notre Dame.

[Blake]

If they could take Texas or Oklahoma they would.

What is funny though is how Indiana, Purdue and Northwestern make more than double in TV revenue than the almighty Notre Dame.

I'm assuming the Big 10 splits bowl earnings?

[NFO]

I'm assuming the Big 10 splits bowl earnings?

Only for BCS bowls, not any other bowl

With the implementation of the most recent BCS contract in 2006, Notre Dame no longer gets a full BCS share for a BCS game ($14 million at the time, now $18 million) but settled for $4.5 million, the amount given to a second place team from a conference.Additionally, for the length of the four-year contract, the Irish would receive a 1/66th share of BCS money as the 66th team in the BCS – about $1.3 million – when they did not go to a BCS game.

For the last two years, here are the BCS conference’s profits and average per team:
ACC

* 2007-08: Profit — $19,263,649, Average/Team — $1.6 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $18,765,375, Average/Team — $1.56 Million

Big East

* 2007-08: Profit — $14,197,021, Average/Team — $1.77 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $15,526,656, Average/Team — $1.94 Million

Big Ten

* 2007-08: Profit — $24,394,305, Average/Team — $2.2 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $23,846,330, Average/Team — $2.17 Million

Big 12

* 2007-08: Profit — $21,706,427, Average/Team — $1.81 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $22,521,061, Average/Team — $1.88 Million

Pac-10

* 2007-08: Profit — $17,647,012, Average/Team — $1.76 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $18,766,786, Average/Team — $1.88 Million

SEC

* 2007-08: Profit — $28,991,720, Average/Team — $2.42 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $28, 362,667, Average/Team — $2.36 Million

(Source: NCAA Financials 2007-08, 2008-09)

Do you see any BCS team taking home $1.3 million—other than ND?

To make the same amount ($14 million in 2005) for a BCS appearance under the old contract, Notre Dame would need to appear in three BCS bowls in the four year contract (3 x $4.5 = $13.5 + $1.3 million for the fourth year = $14.8 million). With the conference champion’s share increased to $18 million, though, ND would currently need four BCS appearances in four years (4 x $4.5 = $18 million) to equal one year. The Irish settled for 25% of what they used to take for a BCS participation.

Since ND’s BCS appearance revenue has been fixed, the “rising tide lifts all boats” theory applies to all the other BCS teams except ND. The BCS contract with fixed amounts has been an anchor to Notre Dame, while the sea rises around them. Notre Dame could appear in a national championship game for 25% of what its opponent will get for their conference.

Notre Dame’s annual share is not only less than the average for each conference team, but is 1% of the total bowl revenue distributed among BCS teams. Some fans think 1% of bowl monies is too much to give Notre Dame.

In short, it is more profitable to be Duke, Iowa State, Indiana, Washington State, Syracuse, or Mississippi State than to be an independent Notre Dame. Independence for ND is certainly not about the BCS money.

Source: http://clashmoremike.com/2009/07/notre-dame-and-the-bcs-the-notre-dame-rule/##ixzz0mvK1d8Rp

[Blake]

Independence for ND is certainly not about the BCS money.


It sounds to me like the NCAA is subtly trying to pressure ND to join a conference.

[NFO]

It sounds to me like the NCAA is subtly trying to pressure ND to join a conference.

I think the NCAA would like them in a true conference football wise.

I think ND is just being stubborn. Way back in like 1913 or whatever they applied to be in the Big 10 and got shot down and essentially vowed independence, which is why I think they flirted with the Big 10 in 1999 and then finally decided not to apply for admission.