Harris > Kidd

[4>0rings]

You idiot mavfans just had to find out the hard way. :lol

Enjoy the next 2 years on Kidds contract. :tu

[Ghazi]

Harris was garbage on a 12 win team this year.

[4>0rings]

Kidd was garbage on a 50+ win team... what's your point?

[Cane]

Damn straight he is. Kidd also played way too many damn minutes in the regular season and looked even slower than usual in the playoffs. Having a slow ass guard is just too much of a liability in this era of lightning fast guards. Only LA can get away with that and they look more vulnerable than ever imo.

Bill Simmons take recently:



156. Jason Kidd

Five games, 32.5 percent FG, 45 points total and five made 2-pointers as the Spurs have hugged him on the 3-point line and dared him to drive. On the other end, he can't stay in front of any quick guards ... which has been the case for three years, but still. And if that's not enough, he made Roddy Beaubois the fourth-most popular person in Dallas behind Dirk Nowitzki, Tony Romo and the guy who pooped on the floor of Bennett Salvatore's steakhouse in Stamford, Conn. (OK, that didn't happen. Yet.) Did I miss anything? I'm pretty sure Dallas could have gone 1-3 in playoff series from 2008 to 2010 had they just kept Devin Harris, two No. 1s and the extra $10 million. Almost positive. One of the biggest games of Kidd's career Thursday night.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100429

[redzero]

The Mavs were better with Harris.

[Giuseppe]

[I'm pretty sure Dallas could have gone 1-3 in playoff series from 2008 to 2010 had they just kept Devin Harris, two No. 1s and the extra $10 million.]

A three year hindsight. Can't beat that with a great big stick.

[Basketballgirl25]

Harris was garbage on a 12 win team this year.

He might have been garbage on the Nets, but in the end if having Harris playing like garbage helps the Nets in whatever way to a title in a couple years It's all good. I feel bad for you Mav fans 10 50 win seasons and nothing to prove. Mavs remind me of the Nets back in the last full season with Kidd, good, but not good enough to win it all, but I hear Mav fans bragging about 50 win seasons, guess most think that is better then a finals

[Ghazi]

Shut. Up.

[MateoNeygro]

Harris is better than Kidd NOW. In all honesty when Mavs had Devin, he was one of the main players I feared because I thought he was just as quick as TP and we had no answer for him defensively. With Kidd the Spurs didn't really have to worry about guarding him too much.

[Ghazi]

Harris is better than Kidd now?

I'm sure you closely followed the 12 win Nets this year to reach that conclusion, right?

Kidd had a much better and more consistent year than Harris. Harris took a giant step backward this season but nobody realized it because the nets were so shitty.

[timvpimp]

Spurs fans are shooting their own feet when deriding other teams on the topic of bad trades, because it's the team named San Antonio Spurs that made the famous-most epic fail trade of the past decade. Is Luís Scola better than Vasillis Spanoulis? probably Vasillis is better in international tournaments but "Vasillis better than Scola" has never happened in NBA, and never will...

[pauls931]

Dallas cashed out their future to win now. Better pray Dirk stays, we'll see how important money is to him. Of course the same goes for the Suns and Amare.

[exstatic]

[I'm pretty sure Dallas could have gone 1-3 in playoff series from 2008 to 2010 had they just kept Devin Harris, two No. 1s and the extra $10 million.]

A three year hindsight. Can't beat that with a great big stick.

Actually, some of us saw this coming when the trade went down. As for the 12 win Nets, you can't do much when your front office is blwoing up the team around you. Harris has been pretty damn good.

[Sense]

Harris is better than Kidd now?

I'm sure you closely followed the 12 win Nets this year to reach that conclusion, right?

Kidd had a much better and more consistent year than Harris. Harris took a giant step backward this season but nobody realized it because the nets were so shitty.


Harris is better than Kidd for the Mavericks.. now.. and always has been.


The 2 players I've feared the most in a Mavericks team have been Howard and Harris, we just couldn't stop them. Those 2 were the reason we lost some series to the Mavericks in the playoffs. If you fail to realize that Harris was better for your team, well then it seems you never actually watched the truth behind your wins.

I guess it's ok to be bitter about him being with the Nets now and you just lost in the first round with Kidd... but switch Harris with Kidd, and Howard with Butler, and I think the Mavs win this easy.

[wanggi]

The only reason Cuban chose Kidd was - Kidd's white.

[DAF86]

Harris is better than Kidd now?

I'm sure you closely followed the 12 win Nets this year to reach that conclusion, right?

Horry > Dirk

You know, 'cause Dirk doesn't have a ring and Robert has a lot.

[21_Blessings]

2 first rounders on top of Harris for a 36 old Kidd, fucking lol

[badfish22]

Roddy will better than that injury prone guard here shortly.

[Mavs_man_41]

Actually, some of us saw this coming when the trade went down. As for the 12 win Nets, you can't do much when your front office is blwoing up the team around you. Harris has been pretty damn good.

:wtf 16 points off 40% shooting, 27% from 3 is "pretty damn good?"

spur fan, quit talking out of your ass.

[Come_On_Now]

I love JKidd but his game just doesn't translate to playoff success. He's both an offensive and defensive liability. Harris wouldn't of been either. Yeah 4 straight playoff outings is enough for me to say with confidence that I would love to have our young speedy point guard and 1st round picks back.

[Mavs_man_41]

I love JKidd but his game just doesn't translate to playoff success. He's both an offensive and defensive liability. Harris wouldn't of been either. Yeah 4 straight playoff outings is enough for me to say with confidence that I would love to have our young speedy point guard and 1st round picks back.

harris is a low % scorer. granted, kidd wasn't the answer either, but neither was harris. Beaubois > Harris right now, and after he develops some more it won't even be a discussion.

[MateoNeygro]

Harris is better than Kidd now?

I'm sure you closely followed the 12 win Nets this year to reach that conclusion, right?

Kidd had a much better and more consistent year than Harris. Harris took a giant step backward this season but nobody realized it because the nets were so shitty.

Hey Ghazi calm down. I stand by what I said. I'd rather have Devin Harris than Kidd now. Do you actually think Kidd would have made those same Nets much better? And like I said Harris scared me much more than Kidd on the Mavs. So GFY.

[MateoNeygro]

Spurs fans are shooting their own feet when deriding other teams on the topic of bad trades, because it's the team named San Antonio Spurs that made the famous-most epic fail trade of the past decade. Is Luís Scola better than Vasillis Spanoulis? probably Vasillis is better in international tournaments but "Vasillis better than Scola" has never happened in NBA, and never will...

Umm that's besides the point. You must really be Ghazi's bitch Lol.

[sabar]

Harris has been terrible, dunno what Spurs fans are smoking. 40% shooting when your only job is scoring is pretty terrible. Harris > Kidd only applies against the Spurs where he turns into an all-star and shoots 50%. Exactly like Josh Howard.

Nobody takes Harris/Howard over Kidd/Butler if they have any goal of beating anyone other than the Spurs. The Mavs didn't need more scrub role players and TBH, they still have too many. Fact is, having a bunch of Spurs-killers on the roster doesn't make you good.

What that team really needs is a slasher in their roster as a number 2 role. Get rid of dead-weight like Marion or half of the jump shooters to make it happen. Either way, they already have a fast guard in that rookie, making Harris is redundant.

No one watches the Nets, so they don't realize how mediocre Devin Harris has been. They only remember being torched by him a long time ago.

[MateoNeygro]

Harris is better than Kidd for the Mavericks.. now.. and always has been.


The 2 players I've feared the most in a Mavericks team have been Howard and Harris, we just couldn't stop them. Those 2 were the reason we lost some series to the Mavericks in the playoffs. If you fail to realize that Harris was better for your team, well then it seems you never actually watched the truth behind your wins.

I guess it's ok to be bitter about him being with the Nets now and you just lost in the first round with Kidd... but switch Harris with Kidd, and Howard with Butler, and I think the Mavs win this easy.

A man with "SENSE" pun intended.

[MateoNeygro]

harris is a low % scorer. granted, kidd wasn't the answer either, but neither was harris. Beaubois > Harris right now, and after he develops some more it won't even be a discussion.

Harris is a low % scorer because the team he is on sucks dick. The opposing defenses can completely key on Harris when on D thus making him less effective. With this Mavs team and Dirk being the center of the offense a player like Harris would thrive greatly. If you would really rather Kidd than Harris and 2 first rounders then well...You are a moron.

[Mavs_man_41]

Harris has been terrible, dunno what Spurs fans are smoking. 40% shooting when your only job is scoring is pretty terrible. Harris > Kidd only applies against the Spurs where he turns into an all-star and shoots 50%. Exactly like Josh Howard.

Nobody takes Harris/Howard over Kidd/Butler if they have any goal of beating anyone other than the Spurs. The Mavs didn't need more scrub role players and TBH, they still have too many. Fact is, having a bunch of Spurs-killers on the roster doesn't make you good.

What that team really needs is a slasher in their roster as a number 2 role. Get rid of dead-weight like Marion or half of the jump shooters to make it happen. Either way, they already have a fast guard in that rookie, making Harris is redundant.

No one watches the Nets, so they don't realize how mediocre Devin Harris has been. They only remember being torched by him a long time ago.

exactly, it's amazing how there's still this misconception about harris out there because he was good in that spurs series 4 years ago. 40% shooting is TERRIBLE no matter how you spin it. not to mention 27% from 3! you play off of him and he's been proven easy to contain.

mavs order of importance:

1) development of roddy b

2) a legit 2 guard with the SIZE to play and defend his position, preferably a good defensive one

3) more big men. back up to dirk, and a starting center or backup to haywood. preferably both of these guys aren't total offensive liabilities. post scoring is like a luxury we've never had, and it's killed us. it's really hard to win with a team built on no post scoring whatsoever.

[MateoNeygro]

exactly, it's amazing how there's still this misconception about harris out there because he was good in that spurs series 4 years ago. 40% shooting is TERRIBLE no matter how you spin it. not to mention 27% from 3! you play off of him and he's been proven easy to contain.

mavs order of importance:

1) development of roddy b

2) a legit 2 guard with the SIZE to play and defend his position, preferably a good defensive one

3) more big men. back up to dirk, and a starting center or backup to haywood. preferably both of these guys aren't total offensive liabilities. post scoring is like a luxury we've never had, and it's killed us. it's really hard to win with a team built on no post scoring whatsoever.

Fair enough I can respect that. Would you really have Kidd than Harris and those 2 picks though???

[Mavs_man_41]

Fair enough I can respect that. Would you really have Kidd than Harris and those 2 picks though???

with either kidd or harris, the result is still all those first round exits so i could really care less on that part. it's the 2 picks that bothers me, terrible terrible move our part.

[badfish22]

Kidds minutes need to be lowered dramatically so he is fresh for the playoffs.

[Mavs_man_41]

Kidds minutes need to be lowered dramatically so he is fresh for the playoffs.

I'm not so sure that Kidd is the answer at PG for a championship caliber team, which is what I hope we are aspiring to be. In order for that to work, you have to have a badass collection of players to mask his weakness, like Fisher in LA. Kidd would need a a badass defender on either side of him at the 2 and the 3 to mask his lack of ability to defend quick players. And one of those guys would have to also be a go to scorer that can create his shot and keep the offense from going stale in the halfcourt like it did against SA and Dirk getting no help. A guy like Iggy fills that defensive role, but isn't exactly a great shooter or complete offensive player needed to create in the halfcourt. Not to mention we would lack outside shooting, considering Iggy isn't a great 3 point shooter and although Kidd is a good 3 point shooter in the regular season, his shot is too unorthodox and slow for him to get comfortable looks when the defense tightens up in the playoffs, once again just like we saw in the Spurs series. So basically unless we can land Wade, as much as I like Kidd I don't think we are winning a ring with him as our starting PG I'm sad to say.

[MateoNeygro]

with either kidd or harris, the result is still all those first round exits so i could really care less on that part. it's the 2 picks that bothers me, terrible terrible move our part.

yea true.

[mavsfan1000]

And? The sky is blue.

[Mavs_man_41]

I'm not so sure that Kidd is the answer at PG for a championship caliber team, which is what I hope we are aspiring to be. In order for that to work, you have to have a badass collection of players to mask his weakness, like Fisher in LA. Kidd would need a a badass defender on either side of him at the 2 and the 3 to mask his lack of ability to defend quick players. And one of those guys would have to also be a go to scorer that can create his shot and keep the offense from going stale in the halfcourt like it did against SA and Dirk getting no help. A guy like Iggy fills that defensive role, but isn't exactly a great shooter or complete offensive player needed to create in the halfcourt. Not to mention we would lack outside shooting, considering Iggy isn't a great 3 point shooter and although Kidd is a good 3 point shooter in the regular season, his shot is too unorthodox and slow for him to get comfortable looks when the defense tightens up in the playoffs, once again just like we saw in the Spurs series. So basically unless we can land Wade, as much as I like Kidd I don't think we are winning a ring with him as our starting PG I'm sad to say.

stretch mono findog what do you guys think about this

[spursfan1000]

Harris is better than Kidd now?

I'm sure you closely followed the 12 win Nets this year to reach that conclusion, right?

Kidd had a much better and more consistent year than Harris. Harris took a giant step backward this season but nobody realized it because the nets were so shitty.


This. But it was really stupid to trade Harris for Kidd because Kidd is so old and Harris can still be in NBA for another 8-9 years. :p:

[badfish22]

I'm not so sure that Kidd is the answer at PG for a championship caliber team, which is what I hope we are aspiring to be. In order for that to work, you have to have a badass collection of players to mask his weakness, like Fisher in LA. Kidd would need a a badass defender on either side of him at the 2 and the 3 to mask his lack of ability to defend quick players. And one of those guys would have to also be a go to scorer that can create his shot and keep the offense from going stale in the halfcourt like it did against SA and Dirk getting no help. A guy like Iggy fills that defensive role, but isn't exactly a great shooter or complete offensive player needed to create in the halfcourt. Not to mention we would lack outside shooting, considering Iggy isn't a great 3 point shooter and although Kidd is a good 3 point shooter in the regular season, his shot is too unorthodox and slow for him to get comfortable looks when the defense tightens up in the playoffs, once again just like we saw in the Spurs series. So basically unless we can land Wade, as much as I like Kidd I don't think we are winning a ring with him as our starting PG I'm sad to say.

Kidd isn't as bad as Fisher. Not even close. Don't let this playoff series fool you into thinking Kidd is a terrible player. That stretch after the all-star break showed what he is still capable of imho. He just got run down and it is rumored he was sick (whether you believe that is up to you). Kidd cannot be one of your best players if you expect to win a championship, but he isn't Fisher level.

[badfish22]

stretch mono findog what do you guys think about this

mono and findog don't post here anymore for the time being.

[timvpimp]

mono and findog don't post here anymore for the time being.

that's why the Mavs krew sucks in recent days, I guess.

[badfish22]

that's why the Mavs krew sucks in recent days, I guess.

+1. But the absence of Rogue is making it a bit easier imo.

[timvpimp]

+1. But the absence of Rogue is making it a bit easier imo.

you mean "monosylab1k's bitch"?

[NewJerSpur]

I'm just glad the Mavs traded Harris and got him out of the Spurs hair......along with Howard, Diop, Bass, Daniels, and the other former Mavs that gave San Antonio problems in one form or another.

[Mavs_man_41]

Kidd isn't as bad as Fisher. Not even close. Don't let this playoff series fool you into thinking Kidd is a terrible player. That stretch after the all-star break showed what he is still capable of imho. He just got run down and it is rumored he was sick (whether you believe that is up to you). Kidd cannot be one of your best players if you expect to win a championship, but he isn't Fisher level.

i didn't say he's fisher level, i said it's the same idea. Neither kidd nor fisher are good enough to be pg's on championship level teams, unless you put a RIDICULOUS amount of talent around them (kobe bryant, pau gasol, andrew bynum, lamar odom, ron artest)

[Basketballgirl25]

Roddy will better than that injury prone guard here shortly.

but who will Roddy have on his team once Dirk leaves one player can't win it all. At least with Harris on the Nets you can see a really Bright future with Brook, Lee, T-Will, etc. With Roddy right now you see him and Dirk, in the future you see mavs sucking without Dirk with what they have right now:toast

[DaDakota]

Cuban and his meddling have screwed the Mavs out of at least one championship.

Nash and Harris - should have been kept...particularly Nash....over what...$7 million total?

Man....Mark Cuban wants to win, he needs to learn to stay the course.

Turnover in roster = lack of chemistry = failure in playoffs.

DD