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08-22-2004, 11:08 AM
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South Korea protests men's all-around finish
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ATHENS, Greece -- U.S. Olympic officials on Saturday said they would consider supporting South Korean officials in a bid to award duplicate gold medals for the men's all-around title, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Earlier Saturday, the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) ruled that Yang Tae-young was unfairly docked a tenth of a point in last week's all-around final, costing him the gold medal that ended up going to American Paul Hamm. It was a historic win for Hamm, who became the first U.S. man to win the title. The South Korean got the bronze instead.

The International Olympic Committee has had some experience with similar requests. At the 2002 Winter Olympics, a French figure-skating judge said she was pressured by her federation's chief to favor the Russians in pairs over the Canadians. Jamie Sale and David Pelletier of Canada were ultimately awarded duplicate golds.

Still, South Korea could have a long road ahead. And while potential U.S. support for duplicate medals will strengthen the argument, South Korea would then require approval from FIG and the IOC. And according to the Times, it was not immediately clear whether either group would even consider such a proposal. So the first step now, South Korean officials say, is to ask the Court of Arbitration for Sports to determine whether Yang deserves a gold medal.

Gilbert Felli, the IOC's executive director for the Olympic Games, said it had not been approached by the Koreans.

On Saturday, FIG suspended three judges, but said the results would not be changed.

The 0.100 points deducted from Yang's start value in parallel bars -- the difficulty of the routine -- was the difference between third and first. Without the mistake, Yang would have won gold, Hamm silver and Kim bronze.

Teams can make an "inquiry" about a start value, but it must be done no later than one event after the routine in question, according to gymnastics rules. South Korea failed to lodge a protest in time, so the scoring could not be changed, said Philippe Silacci, spokesman for the federation, known as FIG. According to Jae Soon-yoo, an official with the South Korean delegation, the South Koreans did question the scoring as soon as the routine was over and were told by the judges to file a protest letter after the meet.

"You can't replay what happened," a senior USOC official told the L.A. Times on Saturday night, speaking on condition of anonymity. "But you can say an honest mistake was made, and let's try to do something fair for both athletes."

Jae added, "We also don't want to break the heart of Paul Hamm. We would prefer if the two could share the gold medal."

Hamm, practicing Saturday for event finals that open Sunday, was not available for comment.

But Paul's father, Sandy Hamm, told the Times in a telephone interview that "Paul would feel badly if he had done something unfair."

"But when a game is over, it's over," Sandy Hamm said. "It's the same as going back over every ref's call. You can argue, but it doesn't change anything."

USA Gymnastics president Bob Colarossi also compared Wednesday's mistake to a bad call in football that wasn't discovered until after the game. He insisted FIG's decision should not put an asterisk on Hamm's gold medal.

"Paul Hamm's performance the other night was absolutely incredible," Colarossi said. "It's unfortunate the judges didn't have the right start value."

08-22-2004, 11:12 AM
This seems like a fair solution to me...it actually seems more than fair since the US really doesn't have to support anything.

I don't see why Hamm is taking the heat for all this anyway...he didn't make the mistake, all he did was go out and execute when he had to, to win the Gold Medal. The error had already been made when that situation occured.

Since the IOC is not going to strip Hamm of the gold no matter what, I think this is the fairest solution. And it's very similar to the solution to what happened in SLC when the French judge and the Russians cheated. Only in this case...Hamm and the US made no mistakes, they did no cheating, they did nothing wrong. The judges, and the Koreans made the mistakes.

I think this is by far the best solution and it is a class act by the US to support this idea.

This way no one gives up anything, Hamm doesn't have to move down, undeservedly, neither does the silver medalist.....

Hook Dem
08-22-2004, 12:46 PM
"I don't see why Hamm is taking the heat for all this anyway...he didn't make the mistake, all he did was go out and execute when he had to, to win the Gold Medal. The error had already been made when that situation occured." ..........That is indeed the bottom line!

08-22-2004, 01:19 PM
if i didn't deserve a gold, i'd give it back. either way, gold or not, hamm will know for the restof his life that he didn't have the best score. it's not his fault, and if he can live with that then go for it.

Tommy Duncan
08-22-2004, 01:41 PM
It's shitty for Hamm but it's definitely shitty for the South Korean as well. Think how Hamm would be looked at for the rest of his life if he gave up the gold. Would he like a golden reputation to go with a silver medal or would he like a gold medal that has lost some of its luster?

04-11-2008, 10:29 AM
The Olympics are pointless.