Ginobili's nose has made him half retarded I believe

[ALVAREZ6]

:bang

[Cherry]

in before the lock :rolleyes

[DAF86]

He's by far our best player toinight, shut the fuck up.

[ALVAREZ6]

He's by far our best player toinight, shut the fuck up.

I'm talking about the fact that his shooting percentage from the perimeter has been dreadful, literally dreadful, ever since, a lot of it having to do with taking an excessive amount of plain, stupid threes.

[DAF86]

I'm talking about the fact that his shooting percentage from the perimeter has been dreadful, literally dreadful, ever since, a lot of it having to do with taking an excessive amount of plain, stupid threes.

3 of 7 from 3, hardly dreadful.

[urunobili]

I'm talking about the fact that his shooting percentage from the perimeter has been dreadful, literally dreadful, ever since, a lot of it having to do with taking an excessive amount of plain, stupid threes.

don't try to fix a fucked up post on an unnecessary new thread... u fucking fail

[smeagol]

I'm talking about the fact that his shooting percentage from the perimeter has been dreadful, literally dreadful, ever since, a lot of it having to do with taking an excessive amount of plain, stupid threes.

Great thread after being lost for two years . . . :tu

[ALVAREZ6]

3 of 7 from 3, hardly dreadful.
And should be better because he's taken 2 or 3 retarded ones...

and I'm not only talking about tonight, but over the course of since his nose injury it's literally impossible to deny his perimeter game has been poor.

[ALVAREZ6]

don't try to fix a fucked up post on an unnecessary new thread... u fucking fail

:*

[4>0rings]

3 of 7 from 3, hardly dreadful.3/8

[MannyIsGod]

The 3/8 is kinda misleading. He's taken some good shots and made them, but there have been about 3 step backs that have just made me want to vomit.

[DAF86]

3/8

Now, after he had to take a desperate three with the clock running down.

[ALVAREZ6]

The 3/8 is kinda misleading. He's taken some good shots and made them, but there have been about 3 step backs that have just made me want to vomit.

And some that came with 22 seconds on the shot clock....

[MannyIsGod]

I still love Manu. I know that with the good you take the bad and its a fine tradeoff imo.

[4>0rings]

Now, after he had to take a desperate three with the clock running down.4 seconds left, didn't need a running leaner. 3/8

[Cry Havoc]

He's by far our best player toinight, shut the fuck up.

Parker is our best player tonight, and it's not close.

[ALVAREZ6]

don't try to fix a fucked up post on an unnecessary new thread... u fucking fail

By the way I did not fail, it's a legit issue and I needed a title and post that would cause people to open the thread.... wanna touch my cock?

[DesignatedT]

manu still played a good game. taking way too many 3's though. needs to continue to attack.

[ElNono]

Manu wouldn't be taking that many 3's if any of our other 'three point shooting specialists' would be hitting something. Anything. Mason, Bonner, even Hill were all garbage tonight from the 3 point line. You're not going to beat this team without the 3 ball.
As far as the Dallas series, he had a fine closeout game. I don't know what were you watching.

[emanueldavidginobili]

27 points 5 rebounds 5 assist 4 steals. and most people thought he had a bad game, thats how good he is lol.

[ALVAREZ6]

Manu wouldn't be taking that many 3's if any of our other 'three point shooting specialists' would be hitting something. Anything. Mason, Bonner, even Hill were all garbage tonight from the 3 point line. You're not going to beat this team without the 3 ball.
As far as the Dallas series, he had a fine closeout game. I don't know what were you watching.

And this type of thinking is incorrect. It had nothing to do with others not making shit, it had nothing to do with anything... other than him making the decision to chuck unnecessarily. After all, we did beat the Mavs without making a three in a game. We simply need to make more shots period.

[roycrikside]

Parker is our best player tonight, and it's not close.

I want to live in your bizarre little world where 26 points on 21 shots is better than 27 points on 20 shots. Can you give me directions?

Also, one guy had more rebounds, assists and steals than the other guy. I'll let you figure which.

The big three weren't the problem today. They were sensational, especially in the second half. They got ZERO help and Amare, Nash, and Richardson hit some tough shots, so credit to them.

[DesignatedT]

Manu wouldn't be taking that many 3's if any of our other 'three point shooting specialists' would be hitting something. Anything. Mason, Bonner, even Hill were all garbage tonight from the 3 point line. You're not going to beat this team without the 3 ball.
As far as the Dallas series, he had a fine closeout game. I don't know what were you watching.

I dont mind him shooting if hes open but he took some bad 3's. Pulling up with a hand in his face or too early in the shot clock. He is obviously better and makes the team better when he attacks the rim.

[ALVAREZ6]

27 points 5 rebounds 5 assist 4 steals. and most people thought he had a bad game, thats how good he is lol.
To clarify, I do not think he had a bad game, trust me of all people I am aware of how he impacts games. Everyone knows he's by far my all-time favorite player and I won't hesitate to hold him to very high standards, comparing to how great he's played the past 20-25 games or so. There is always room for improvement, and tiny mistakes make a much bigger difference in very close playoff games like these...these big shoot outs the Spurs can't afford to make many mental mistakes, and chucking bad quality threes hurts the team a lot, especially against the red hot Suns as of late who precisely want this so they can get out and run, and win.

[Spurtacus]

I'll take 4 more retards who can put up the stat line Manu had tonight.

[DAF86]

Parker is our best player tonight, and it's not close.

Manu was our best player tonight. He was our higher scorer, our higher assister and our best defender by a mile. He left the game tied in the third quarter and came back with a 10 pts deficit. Re-watch the game.

[ALVAREZ6]

don't try to fix a fucked up post on an unnecessary new thread... u fucking fail

Where'd you go buddy? If you read these responses it seems my opinion was the unanimous decision...

[rayray2k8]

This is the Manu we know. You gotta take in the good with the bad. A guy with Manu in his avatar should know that.
Where the fuck have you been?? :rolleyes
THREAD FAIL FOR SURE. :td

[ElNono]

And this type of thinking is incorrect. It had nothing to do with others not making shit, it had nothing to do with anything... other than him making the decision to chuck unnecessarily. After all, we did beat the Mavs without making a three in a game. We simply need to make more shots period.

We're playing the Suns. You're not going to hold this teamto under 90 points on the road, period. He makes a couple of those shots, then it opens the game for everybody. Were you bitching when he took and made that 3 in transition that gave us a 3 point lead?
They're momentum swings. Sometimes they go in and sometimes they don't. But the reality is that Manu is more than willing to pass to the hot hand. Look at Hill in the previous series for an example.

[ALVAREZ6]

Great thread after being lost for two years . . . :tu

haha, college....

and this was probably not the smartest decision, I still have 5 more final exams this week and the venting of tonight will bite me in the ass tomorrow.

[ALVAREZ6]

We're playing the Suns. You're not going to hold this teamto under 90 points on the road, period. He makes a couple of those shots, then it opens the game for everybody. Were you bitching when he took and made that 3 in transition that gave us a 3 point lead?
They're momentum swings. Sometimes they go in and sometimes they don't. But the reality is that Manu is more than willing go pass to the hot hand. Look at Hill in the previous series for an example.

I did not like the transition three, no...sure it paid off but it's simply not the smartest thing to do in a 3 on 1 break with NASH as the last defense, especially considering how much better manu is at attacking than shooting from outside. Yet I understand your point, sure they are momentum swings but we can't play that game with the suns. They go on far more runs and my opinion is we need to be as efficient on offense as possible, which in turn also helps our defense and limits Suns transition.

[Kamala]

He is still the tits and the Phoenix Suns shall be forced to suckle in game 2

[ElNono]

I dont mind him shooting if hes open but he took some bad 3's. Pulling up with a hand in his face or too early in the shot clock. He is obviously better and makes the team better when he attacks the rim.

I'm not going to tell you he *never* takes a bad shot or anything like that. That said, I didn't have much problems with what he took tonight. I recall at least two being basically with the shot clock runnin out.
Manu is more adept at driving in the 4th quarter. He obviously doesn't have the stamina to keep that going all game long for an entire series.

[DesignatedT]

I'm not going to tell you he *never* takes a bad shot or anything like that. That said, I didn't have much problems with what he took tonight. I recall at least two being basically with the shot clock runnin out.
Manu is more adept at driving in the 4th quarter. He obviously doesn't have the stamina to keep that going all game long for an entire series.

9 threes is just too many. Yeah, I would rather him save some of those drives for the 2nd half. That's another reason why Manu has always been a better option off the bench and Tony being the starter.

[ElNono]

I did not like the transition three, no...sure it paid off but it's simply not the smartest thing to do in a 3 on 1 break with NASH as the last defense, especially considering how much better manu is at attacking than shooting from outside. Yet I understand your point, sure they are momentum swings but we can't play that game with the suns. They go on far more runs and my opinion is we need to be as efficient on offense as possible, which in turn also helps our defense and limits Suns transition.

Eh, no. That's the shot you want to take when RJ is running with you and the last defender is indeed Nash. If it's a miss, odds are the other Spur will get the putback. It's just one play though. In order to open up the paint for Tony, Tim and Manu somebody will have to make shots from outside. Considering Hill was benched for a while, we didn't have many options left.

[DAF86]

Seriously, what game were watching those saying, not only that Manu wasn't our best player, but that he played badly?

[DAF86]

9 threes is just too many.

He was 3 of 7 untill he had to take a bad positioned with the clock running down and another fade away three when the game was basically out of reach and we had no option but to take threes.

[ElNono]

9 threes is just too many. Yeah, I would rather him save some of those drives for the 2nd half. That's another reason why Manu has always been a better option off the bench and Tony being the starter.

Well, Hill was in foul trouble, Bonner played limited minutes and Mason was basically either covered or clanking everything. Like I said, when you're trying to come back and the other team is hitting from outside, somebody has to take the outside shot for us. RJ was also passive as shit all night. He wouldn't even take Ill-advised jumpers. I can't reproach anything from the big 3 tonight. Manu with the threes, Duncan with the missed free throws, Tony with an early airball. It's nitpicking when the biggest problem is that nobody else showed up.

[DesignatedT]

Well, Hill was in foul trouble, Bonner played limited minutes and Mason was basically either covered or clanking everything. Like I said, when you're trying to come back and the other team is hitting from outside, somebody has to take the outside shot for us. RJ was also passive as shit all night. He wouldn't even take Ill-advised jumpers. I can't reproach anything from the big 3 tonight. Manu with the threes, Duncan with the missed free throws, Tony with an early airball. It's nitpicking when the biggest problem is that nobody else showed up.

Definitely agree. I never said Manu played a bad game. He played very well just wish he wouldn't have settled for so many 3's. That's all. Going to need Hill,RJ,Dice to play better for us to win. Same thing happened against Dallas. I expect those guys to answer the call much like they did last series.

I honestly don't see Phoenix winning a game on our court. Especially the way we have been playing at home. We just need to steal game 2 and even if we don't I would fully expect us to go back to phoenix tied up for a big game 5.

[ALVAREZ6]

Eh, no. That's the shot you want to take when RJ is running with you and the last defender is indeed Nash. If it's a miss, odds are the other Spur will get the putback. It's just one play though. In order to open up the paint for Tony, Tim and Manu somebody will have to make shots from outside. Considering Hill was benched for a while, we didn't have many options left.

I wouldn't count on the put back, it's a stretch saying "odds are the other spur will get the putback"

I have no problem with outside shots, of course we need, and we need to make them at a higher percentage and that is the problem... take them off a pick or some way when you are open, but Manu is not the typical pull up in your face player. Sure he makes some in people's faces, but he is not Ray Allen, McGrady of past, or Kobe when it comes to rising up over someone from the perimeter...he jumps about an inch on his threes....don't you notice how many three's manu misses way short or air ball...his shot form simple isn't one with much strength. I just don't like those forced threes with tons of time on the clock...move the ball and yourself and find a better shot, or jack a three and dig a deeper hole.

I understand with the higher risk there can be high reward...but it's not reliable.

[kace]

manu was fine. the only problem that i see is that i don't know who is going to make some clutch threes when needed at the very late of the game now ?

i'm just not confident when manu makes a clutch jump shoot. His FG % in those situations is just really really bad.

Hill is still young. and TP, who is by far our clutchest jump shooter, isn't good at 3. Bonner and Mason sucks when it counts in PO.

Horry, Barry, Bowen, Finley were all able to make clutch 3's in the past.

PS: i know tim made one against the suns in PO, but i guess you can't consider it a perenial option.

[ALVAREZ6]

manu was fine. the only problem that i see is that i don't know who is going to make some clutch threes when needed at the very late of the game now ?

i'm just not confident when manu makes a clutch jump shoot. His FG % in those situations is just really really bad.

Hill is still young. and TP, who is by far our clutchest jump shooter, isn't good at 3. Bonner and Mason sucks when it counts in PO.

Horry, Barry, Bowen, Finley were all able to make clutch 3's in the past.

PS: i know tim made one against the suns in PO, but i guess you can't consider it a perenial option.
Who will make them usually... ? perhaps George Hill, but tonight he sucked.


And :lmao @ Parker being our clutchest jump shooter

[DAF86]

manu was fine. the only problem that i see is that i don't know who is going to make some clutch threes when needed at the very late of the game now ?

i'm just not confident when manu makes a clutch jump shoot. His FG % in those situations is just really really bad.

Hill is still young. and TP, who is by far our clutchest jump shooter, isn't good at 3. Bonner and Mason sucks when it counts in PO.

Horry, Barry, Bowen, Finley were all able to make clutch 3's in the past.

PS: i know tim made one against the suns in PO, but i guess you can't consider it a perenial option.

His field goal % in last shot situation is low (like from every other player in the NBA) but he is a pretty solid clutch shooter, with the game close in the final minutes of the 4th quarter.

[timtonymanu]

Manu is the main reason the Spurs were able to make two comebacks.

[kace]

Who will make them usually... ? perhaps George Hill, but tonight he sucked.


And :lmao @ Parker being our clutchest jump shooter

i agree that we don't have many clutch 3 pts shooters, so manu and hill are probably the best solution.


as for TP: our best jump shooter: no. our best clutch jump shooter:yes and that's not even close

indeed, we don't have many 2 pts jump shooters on that team. It helps TP's game a lot and that would really made manu unguardable if he took and made some of them.


His field goal % in last shot situation is low (like from every other player in the NBA) but he is a pretty solid clutch shooter, with the game close in the final minutes of the 4th quarter.

no. his FG % in those situations, like every stats show (clutch stats from espn, 82games.com, last shot stats from espn) is rather low compared to others players (including tim and tony).

Manu is a clutch driver to the rim, not a clutch jump shooter.

[kace]

Manu is the main reason the Spurs were able to make two comebacks.

it's pretty clear manu wasn't the problem tonight. he was doing fine, playing at a good level.

[DAF86]

no. his FG % in those situations, like every stats show (clutch stats from espn, 82games.com, last shot stats from espn) is rather low compared to others players (including tim and tony).

Manu is a clutch driver to the rim, not a clutch jump shooter.

Well, a couple of seasons ago that same stats showed that Manu was the clutchest player in the NBA. I don't care what the stats say, if the game is close late in the game and Manu takes a well positioned three I'm confident.

[kace]

Well, a couple of seasons ago that same stats showed that Manu was the clutchest player in the NBA. I don't care what the stats say, if the game is close late in the game and Manu takes a well positioned three I'm confident.

i was more confident with Horry, Barry, Finley or Bowen when we needed a late three. It helped us so many times in PO to have those catch and shoot killers from behind the line.

now, manu and hill are probably our best solutions in that area.

[SenorSpur]

While it's true that Manu DID take some ill-advised 3's, he was stellar on both ends of the court. Rebounding, steals, creating shots for others and just wreaking his usual havoc on the Suns. He was a terror on the defensive end too by taking charges, swiping at balls, etc. Even with the ill-timed shots, he still managed to play a fantastic game.

[ALVAREZ6]

While it's true that Manu DID take some ill-advised 3's, he was stellar on both ends of the court. Rebounding, steals, creating shots for others and just wreaking his usual havoc on the Suns. He was a terror on the defensive end too by taking charges, swiping at balls, etc. Even with the ill-timed shots, he still managed to play a fantastic game.
If only the entire team played with the balls and sense of urgency he brings every night....

[milkyway21]

:bang

Chill.
They cameback in the 3rd Q bec of Manu. Fell short, 1 game down but
THE SPURS ARE HEALTHY.
No reason to panic.

I'm sure Pop will make some adjustments next time they meet.

[gilmor]

I want to live in your bizarre little world where 26 points on 21 shots is better than 27 points on 20 shots. Can you give me directions?

Also, one guy had more rebounds, assists and steals than the other guy. I'll let you figure which.

The big three weren't the problem today. They were sensational, especially in the second half. They got ZERO help and Amare, Nash, and Richardson hit some tough shots, so credit to them.

The thing I don't get is that you guys still want to compare Manu and Tony.

Both are as important to this team as Tim.

Without either, we would be kicked out in first round.

Now it's time to consolidate and win instead of bitching who is the better player.

For God's sake.

[Bukefal]

Parker is our best player tonight, and it's not close.

I agree.


I want to live in your bizarre little world where 26 points on 21 shots is better than 27 points on 20 shots. Can you give me directions?

Also, one guy had more rebounds, assists and steals than the other guy. I'll let you figure which.

The big three weren't the problem today. They were sensational, especially in the second half. They got ZERO help and Amare, Nash, and Richardson hit some tough shots, so credit to them.

come on ? It's just 1 difference each :lol If you see it that way, what about the +3 minutes :lol

[urunobili]

Where'd you go buddy? If you read these responses it seems my opinion was the unanimous decision...

As we haven't been acquainted let me introduce myself and give you some tips since your post count doesn't seem to help your sense of what thread opening should be all about...

Im urunobili a god damn no-one third world fuck like you though Im trying to learn about basketball... that's why I more listen rather than speak and when I speak such a emotional slur (like the one on your thread title) about one of my favorite players, i do it IN THE FUCKING GAME THREAD.

Unanimous decision? classic ST self cock sucking delirium symptoms u r having my friend...

and BTW I never go anywhere... it's just that i find little time to discuss with douche dorks like you... it's not even funny... :sleep

[smeagol]

As we haven't been acquainted let me introduce myself and give you some tips since your post count doesn't seem to help your sense of what thread opening should be all about...

Im urunobili a god damn no-one third world fuck like you though Im trying to learn about basketball... that's why I more listen rather than speak and when I speak such a emotional slur (like the one on your thread title) about one of my favorite players, i do it IN THE FUCKING GAME THREAD.

Unanimous decision? classic ST self cock sucking delirium symptoms u r having my friend...

and BTW I never go anywhere... it's just that i find little time to discuss with douche dorks like you... it's not even funny... :sleep

Don't be so hard on Alvie. He is a huge Manu fan. And the truth is Manu's 3-pt shot has been off since the playoffs started.

That being said, I want him to continue taking 3-pt shots in orde to get his groove back . . .

[flacura]

Manu basketball hall of famer, no doubt, he is the man, he means championships, what a player my god, can we clone him? spur will miss him when he retires, imagine a couple of decades without championships, not even close to that without manu

Manu = Championships

[Bukefal]

Manu basketball hall of famer, no doubt, he is the man, he means championships, what a player my god, can we clone him? spur will miss him when he retires, imagine a couple of decades without championships, not even close to that without manu

Manu = Championships

You should marry him :lol :toast

[flacura]

You should marry him :lol :toast

Sorry, but I'm little bit sick of the short term memory of people after a lost game. You destroy a player because of a lost game, remember the 1st game against Mavs.

Besides he has a relative good game, good numbers, when he was in the field in the third quarter Spurs gets closer and tied the game, when he went to the bench with 5 in the clock they put 10 points again.

Even what you mention about his 3 of 8 from 3 is not a bad percentage at all 37.5 (Give me that every night please)

Retarded, come on? who?

Manu = :lobt2:

[Bukefal]

Sorry, but I'm little bit sick of the short term memory of people after a lost game. You destroy a player because of a lost game, remember the 1st game against Mavs.

Besides he has a relative good game, good numbers, when he was in the field in the third quarter Spurs gets closer and tied the game, when he went to the bench with 5 in the clock they put 10 points again.

Even what you mention about his 3 of 8 from 3 is not a bad percentage at all 37.5 (Give me that every night please)

Retarded, come on? who?

Manu = :lobt2:

Who is destroying Manu? I dont think anyone is :nope
Maybe the op, not me. I was just joking about your cloning

[ElNono]

i was more confident with Horry, Barry, Finley or Bowen when we needed a late three. It helped us so many times in PO to have those catch and shoot killers from behind the line.

The only reason those guys were successful (besides not curling up in fetal position in the playoffs, like Mason or Bonner) was because of penetration from Tony or Manu. The fact that the big 3 command so much attention gave them open wide looks.
We still have that. The problem is that our options now are RJ, Mason, Bonner and Hill. Only Hill has shown he could knock the corner three, but he was garbage last night. Probably since he got rattled early by Nash.


now, manu and hill are probably our best solutions in that area.

They're pretty much the only solution until one of Mason, RJ or Bonner decide to show up.

[flacura]

Who is destroying Manu? I dont think anyone is :nope
Maybe the op, not me. I was just joking about your cloning


:toast not you you you, others, like in Lost, no names

Retarded is not a good word for an All Star :downspin:

[Slippy]

Can't really fault Manu here, those are his shots. He was doing it the last month and half leading up to the play-offs. Since injuring his nose that's the best i've seen him shoot it from outside. His form was good and before he got subbed in the 3rd had hit 3 consecutive triples so you know he was feeling it . He was the team's most lethal outside threat. Gotta go with what got you there . If anything , others need to step it up from outside.

[sa_butta]

I just want to point out that noone on the Spurs team has shot the 3 well. Ginobili had a great game...too bad we did not have a 4th scorer tonight to help out.

[SenorSpur]

Furthermore, it appears that Manu and Hill are the only legitimate 3-point shooters in the rotation. I don't even bother to factor Mason and Bonner because they both suck in the playoffs -doing the one thing that they're supposed to be good at. In fact, I now cringe whenever either of them touches the ball. It's like they're playing "hot potato".

[carina_gino20]

Furthermore, it appears that Manu and Hill are the only legitimate 3-point shooters in the rotation. I don't even bother to factor Mason and Bonner because they both suck in the playoffs -doing the one thing that they're supposed to be good at. In fact, I now cringe whenever either of them touches the ball. It's like they're playing "hot potato".

True. But I'd still rather see them take those shots rather than putting it on the floor. If I see one more Bonner drive leading to a turnover or stagnant offense, :pctoss.

[LnGrrrR]

As we haven't been acquainted let me introduce myself and give you some tips since your post count doesn't seem to help your sense of what thread opening should be all about...

Im urunobili a god damn no-one third world fuck like you though Im trying to learn about basketball... that's why I more listen rather than speak and when I speak such a emotional slur (like the one on your thread title) about one of my favorite players, i do it IN THE FUCKING GAME THREAD.

Unanimous decision? classic ST self cock sucking delirium symptoms u r having my friend...

and BTW I never go anywhere... it's just that i find little time to discuss with douche dorks like you... it's not even funny... :sleep

Let me tell you one thing.

You may not have a perfect grasp of English grammar.

But you sure as fuck know how to handle expletives. :tu

From my experience with people teaching me foreign languages... that tends to be one of the first things people like to teach. :lol

[MmP]

An argie bashing Manu? that's new!

[nkdlunch]

well I gotta agree he took one retarded 3 after getting a rebound, off balance and in the 4th quarter vs. the Suns.

Manu was great though, we would have lost by 30+ w/out him.

[Kori Ellis]

:lol Alvarez

[kace]

The only reason those guys were successful (besides not curling up in fetal position in the playoffs, like Mason or Bonner) was because of penetration from Tony or Manu. The fact that the big 3 command so much attention gave them open wide looks.
We still have that. The problem is that our options now are RJ, Mason, Bonner and Hill. Only Hill has shown he could knock the corner three, but he was garbage last night. Probably since he got rattled early by Nash.



They're pretty much the only solution until one of Mason, RJ or Bonner decide to show up.

so, that leads to this question: are we able to be succesfull in those PO with so few solutions behind the line ? Hill can't be yet considered consistently reliable in clutch time (which is logical for a sophomore) and manu is with tony the one who should be driving and passing for the outside shooters.

After so many time pesting that we needed to attack the rim more instead of shooting threes..... now, we have tony and manu back to their best level to drive to the rim, with Hill and RJ showing some ability to do that, but the 3 pts shooters are lacking.

[ElNono]

so, that leads to this question: are we able to be succesfull in those PO with so few solutions behind the line ? Hill can't be yet considered consistently reliable in clutch time (which is logical for a sophomore) and manu is with tony the one who should be driving and passing for the outside shooters.

After so many time pesting that we needed to attack the rim more instead of shooting threes..... now, we have tony and manu back to their best level to drive to the rim, with Hill and RJ showing some ability to do that, but the 3 pts shooters are lacking.

Ultimately, teams are going to clog the paint. Might not be these series, but the next one if we make it that far. At that point, we're going to need to hit a shot from outside. Dice was actually money in the Dallas series, and even if not as mobile as Bonner, I rather have him taking the jumpers. Also RJ can have a decent jumper. I mean, if we have shots to spare so Mason can take them, then might aswell have Richard take them.
We still need some form of three ball though. It will most likely come from Hill and Manu just like in the previous series.

[MateoNeygro]

I still love Manu. I know that with the good you take the bad and its a fine tradeoff imo.

Couldn't agree more. The good outweighs the bad by atleast a metric ton.

[ALVAREZ6]

An argie bashing Manu? that's new!

OK retards I'm clearly not bashing him, read all of my posts.... of all people, trust me I am well aware of what Manu means to the team...if it weren't for Manu, Spurs wouldn't be in the playoffs, period. And certainly wouldn't have gotten past Dallas.

With that said, I won't hesitate to call out any spur, especially in the playoffs.

[Cherry]

OK retards I'm clearly not bashing him, read all of my posts.... of all people, trust me I am well aware of what Manu means to the team...if it weren't for Manu, Spurs wouldn't be in the playoffs, period. And certainly wouldn't have gotten past Dallas.

With that said, I won't hesitate to call out any spur, especially in the playoffs.

Alvarez. Last game:

Hill was off,
Jefferson was missing,
McDyesss did little,
Bogans did little,
Mason did nothing,
Bonner is done,

and you pick Ginobili to call him half-retarded for his 3pt???? :lol

[ALVAREZ6]

Alvarez. Last game:

Hill was off,
Jefferson was missing,
McDyesss did little,
Bogans did little,
Mason did nothing,
Bonner is done,

and you pick Manu to call him half-retarded for his 3pt???? :lol
Let me further explain...NO of course not am I blaming Manu for the loss, not even close haha. I'm not saying those stupid shots had a huge impact on the game either. But when you are in a close playoff game, a game where the Spurs are down and having trouble just keeping up with the Suns offensively, it probably isn't smart to jack those stupid shots. It's not something that only happened last game either, he did it vs. Dallas too, he's becoming trigger happy from three when there are like 20 seconds left on the shot clock. And for obvious reasons, those kind of decisions are exactly what the Suns want. It lets them go right back onto offense, Spurs fail to slow the game down, and the Suns know they can't stop Manu from driving the lane...and he should know that too and attack it because it has two effects, essentially the opposite of what jacking stupid threes does. The Suns love playing with huge runs and scoring bursts, I don't think the Spurs system is built for that, in fact I know it isn't. They need to be consistent, 48 minutes a game, even flow. Get better shots and better control the pace.

The half-retarded part was just to catch people's attention, as jacking threes with plenty of time and covered well is not Spurs basketball, it's streetball.

[ALVAREZ6]

Plain and simple..when you are losing in a tight game vs. Suns, drive the lane, get an easy shot or go to the line, as they can't stop it. I want to see Hill be more aggressive in this area because I know he's capable of taking nash off the dribble, and Tony as well knows he has to continue doing it.

[ALVAREZ6]

Oh yeah in case if I haven't clarified a thousand times, Manu's threes were not the reason the Spurs lost...of course there were many more blatant, obvious reasons...so I simply brought up something where the Spurs can improve and play smarter.

[ALVAREZ6]

Wait a second in case if you didn't read all of that, Manu was not the reason the Spurs lost. I actually think he had a solid game.

[kuato]

His nose is broke, hive the guy some time to adjust, that fucking patch is messing with his 3 pts shoots.

[Martin R]

......I honestly don't see Phoenix winning a game on our court. Especially the way we have been playing at home......

Problem is they don't need to.

[ALVAREZ6]

His nose is broke, hive the guy some time to adjust, that fucking patch is messing with his 3 pts shoots.

He's stated numerous times that his nose is not affecting his play. He's just in a minor jump shooting slump.

[DAF86]

I agree.

Shocking.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

If he was a half retarded last night then the rest of the team needs to stay in the madhouse for good.

[m33p0]

you know what they say...

There's a fine line between madness and genius.




(not that it fits in this thread)

[ALVAREZ6]

Wait wait wait a second.......

http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/100504_ginobili.html
(around 1:30 in video)

Manu Ginobili in practice, today, May 4th

"Myself I gotta make better decisions..I took probably four bad threes"



Well, Manu himself admits the decision making needs to be sharper....am I still crazy????

[urunobili]

Let me tell you one thing.

You may not have a perfect grasp of English grammar.

But you sure as fuck know how to handle expletives. :tu

From my experience with people teaching me foreign languages... that tends to be one of the first things people like to teach. :lol

sorry I missen an "n" before a consonant. Since you're making this comment, can you please show me what else I did wrong so I can learn?

Thanks,
ur-noob

[ALVAREZ6]

As we haven't been acquainted let me introduce myself and give you some tips since your post count doesn't seem to help your sense of what thread opening should be all about...
I'll open a thread on w/e I want..who cares, it's just a thread, made me feel better to vent. The in game threads are too fast paced and heavily volumed to have a conversation on a single topic.


Im urunobili a god damn no-one third world fuck like you
Ex-third world, :)

....and when I speak such a emotional slur (like the one on your thread title) about one of my favorite players, i do it IN THE FUCKING GAME THREAD.

Unanimous decision? classic ST self cock sucking delirium symptoms u r having my friend...


One of your favorite players? He's my all-time favorite athlete ever, of any sport... in fact my grandmother's aunt is good friends with the Ginobili family back in Bahia Blanca. But that doesn't mean I'll be a biased prick and not hold him to the highest of standards just like any other spur in the playoffs when playing a bad game overall as a team. And now as I've proved above, Manu admitted it himself... which means Popovich certainly will agree, making it unanimous from anyone who knows basketball.

[MmP]

He's stated numerous times that his nose is not affecting his play. He's just in a minor jump shooting slump.
He also stated in 08 that his ankle was fine.

[ALVAREZ6]

He also stated in 08 that his ankle was fine.

Sure good sportsmen don't like to make excuses, but it's slightly different. With previous ankle injuries, they can feel fine but can break down in an instant.

[4>0rings]

Sure good sportsmen don't like to make excuses, but it's slightly different. With previous ankle injuries, they can feel fine but can break down in an instant.Don't fret brother. I'am the biggest Bonner hater and all my threads about him were getting crushed by the board know-it-alls and/or closed by the moma bear. My old name was ghosted by the bear also for hating on Bonner. Now it's cool to hate on Bonner and the Bonner taint sniffers are under a rock waiting for him to hit a 3.

Gino admitted he took about 3-4 bad 3's and the know-it-alls disagree with him. We called it, started a couple threads that weren't popular because besides his bad choice on 3's he had a good game. Now Gino says himself it's true and these taint sniffers disagree with Manus assesment and won't let it go. Keep postin' brah. :toast

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052009/1242032359_haters-gonna-hate.gif

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Clarification point: admitting he made bad decisions on some shots has nothing to do with his nose.

Thanks.

[ALVAREZ6]

Clarification point: admitting he made bad decisions on some shots has nothing to do with his nose.

Thanks.

Thanks for the input, I wasn't aware...

[kuato]

His nose is broke, hive the guy some time to adjust, that fucking patch is messing with his 3 pts shoots.


Wait wait wait a second.......

http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/100504_ginobili.html
(around 1:30 in video)

Manu Ginobili in practice, today, May 4th

"Myself I gotta make better decisions..I took probably four bad threes"



Well, Manu himself admits the decision making needs to be sharper....am I still crazy????

Like i said, he is having problems with 3 pt shoot, Manu will not admit it but i can see that this nose patch is affecting his game, at least for now, he will adjust soon.

[howbouthemspurs]

if manu actually made those shots in the clutch, yall would be licking his nuts right now

[Blackjack]

Half retarded?

Manu's straight. That's fine ...


http://www.patriciaebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/20080731_simple-jack.jpg

as long as he doesn't go full retard. Ain't no coming back from that.

[ALVAREZ6]

Like i said, he is having problems with 3 pt shoot, Manu will not admit it but i can see that this nose patch is affecting his game, at least for now, he will adjust soon.

There really isn't any knowing for us... players go through jump shooting slumps often, especially streaky shooters like Manu. When healthy his driving game is always there, but he's no Ray Allen of jump shooting...

[Bukefal]

Parker is our best player tonight, and it's not close.


Manu was our best player tonight. He was our higher scorer, our higher assister and our best defender by a mile. He left the game tied in the third quarter and came back with a 10 pts deficit. Re-watch the game.


Parker is our best player tonight, and it's not close.


I agree.



Shocking.

lol, whats that supposed to mean. Cant I say that tp was the best in that game? Come on, I dont hate Manu if thats what you are thinking.

Manu has been the best for months, if thats what you want to hear, but not in that particular game.

It seems like on here, everytime someone says something positive about TP, a lot of people on here imediatelly are being emo and saying stupid things or bitching because someone said something positive about TP instead of Manu. Whats the problem? Cant you take it that he was pretty good in that game? Or cant you take it not everyone is sharing the same thoughts with you?

Why does their always have to be a competitiveness between TP and Manu? they are both on our team you know. Chill out.

[flacura]

Manu 3pts Shooting

Career Season Average 0.376 (804 of 2,139)
Career Playoff Average 0.325 (183 of 487)
Game 1 against Suns 0.333 (3 of 9)

wow what an issue, normal shooting for Manu

He is a crazy horse on a court, is the way he plays basket, crazy, sometimes 8/8, sometimes 1/8, always a big factor

Not his best game in shooting, nothing to worry about

He has a broken nose and he is playing basketball !!!

Give him a break

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Manu 3pts Shooting

Career Season Average 0.376 (804 of 2,139)
Career Playoff Average 0.325 (183 of 487)
Game 1 against Suns 0.333 (3 of 9)

wow what an issue, normal shooting for Manu

He is a crazy horse on a court, is the way he plays basket, crazy, sometimes 8/8, sometimes 1/8, always a big factor

Not his best game in shooting, nothing to worry about

He has a broken nose and he is playing basketball !!!

Give him a break

Thanks

[arles]

Manu 3pts Shooting

Career Season Average 0.376 (804 of 2,139)
Career Playoff Average 0.325 (183 of 487)
Game 1 against Suns 0.333 (3 of 9)

wow what an issue, normal shooting for Manu

He is a crazy horse on a court, is the way he plays basket, crazy, sometimes 8/8, sometimes 1/8, always a big factor

Not his best game in shooting, nothing to worry about

He has a broken nose and he is playing basketball !!!

Give him a break

:toast

[DAF86]

lol, whats that supposed to mean. Cant I say that tp was the best in that game? Come on, I dont hate Manu if thats what you are thinking.

Manu has been the best for months, if thats what you want to hear, but not in that particular game.

It seems like on here, everytime someone says something positive about TP, a lot of people on here imediatelly are being emo and saying stupid things or bitching because someone said something positive about TP instead of Manu. Whats the problem? Cant you take it that he was pretty good in that game? Or cant you take it not everyone is sharing the same thoughts with you?

Why does their always have to be a competitiveness between TP and Manu? they are both on our team you know. Chill out.

It means that Parker in your eyes can make no wrong. And I wasn't arguing about somebody saying something positive about TP or trying to make this a TP vs Manu thing, check my posting historial, you'll see that I'm not that kind of poster.

The only reason I compared Manu and Tony stats is 'cause I want to prove that Ginobili was the best Spurs player of game 1, if Havoc would have said Duncan was the best Spurs player of game 1 I would have compared Tim and Manu's stats. Seriously, how can anyone think that Manu wasn't our best player in the last game? he was our top scorer, assister and defender.

[Bukefal]

It means that Parker in your eyes can make no wrong. And I wasn't arguing about somebody saying something positive about TP or trying to make this a TP vs Manu thing, check my posting historial, you'll see that I'm not that kind of poster.

The only reason I compared Manu and Tony stats is 'cause I want to prove that Ginobili was the best Spurs player of game 1, if Havoc would have said Duncan was the best Spurs player of game 1 I would have compared Tim and Manu's stats. Seriously, how can anyone think that Manu wasn't our best player in the last game? he was our top scorer, assister and defender.

Of course he can make wrong, and he did made wrong, im not that kind of poster either. I just think he was our best player in that game, that doesnt mean im hating on Manu or something, or that tp can make no wrong. If you think otherwise, that's fine, I was just saying and agreeing with Havoc. If someone scores the most points (1 more) doesnt mean he automatically was the best and x factor player.

[ALVAREZ6]

Manu 3pts Shooting

Career Season Average 0.376 (804 of 2,139)
Career Playoff Average 0.325 (183 of 487)
Game 1 against Suns 0.333 (3 of 9)

wow what an issue, normal shooting for Manu

He is a crazy horse on a court, is the way he plays basket, crazy, sometimes 8/8, sometimes 1/8, always a big factor

Not his best game in shooting, nothing to worry about

He has a broken nose and he is playing basketball !!!

Give him a break
You guys are taking this the wrong way. LOL, you are providing career averages in different scenarios, and sure in game 1 he did shoot 33% from three but what's more important is it wasn't a result of 1 for 3, or 2 for 6... he shot 9 threes, and almost half of them were unnecessary. One of those did happen to go in, but the point about this is decision making, and not the actual shooting percentage itself...that's what I'm trying to get across. His 3% should have been better, but the actual % is not what is of concern.

The actual concern is the continuous trend lately of taking dumb threes, right at the beginning of possessions, in very closely battled important games in the playoffs in which the Spurs were struggling just to keep up with the Suns.
I've already explained why playing Suns-style will not help the Spurs beat the Suns...they have to play Spurs style. And Manu admitted it himself, what more do you want. In these big games where each possession is much more valuable, especially when trailing or just about tied, chucking threes with a man in your face and tons of time on the clock is not something that helps the team.

Now with that said, I'll say it again, Manu did many things to help the Spurs be in better position to win, obviously. Of course he did not play poorly. I'm strictly addressing a tiny part of the entire game.

[DAF86]

Of course he can make wrong, and he did made wrong, im not that kind of poster either. I just think he was our best player in that game, that doesnt mean im hating on Manu or something, or that tp can make no wrong. If you think otherwise, that's fine, I was just saying and agreeing with Havoc. If someone scores the most points (1 more) doesnt mean he automatically was the best and x factor player.

What about getting more assists, rebounds and steals too?

[Bukefal]

well that was close too. What about one player having more minutes than the other?

[ALVAREZ6]

It means that Parker in your eyes can make no wrong. And I wasn't arguing about somebody saying something positive about TP or trying to make this a TP vs Manu thing, check my posting historial, you'll see that I'm not that kind of poster.

The only reason I compared Manu and Tony stats is 'cause I want to prove that Ginobili was the best Spurs player of game 1, if Havoc would have said Duncan was the best Spurs player of game 1 I would have compared Tim and Manu's stats. Seriously, how can anyone think that Manu wasn't our best player in the last game? he was our top scorer, assister and defender.

What you have to realize, and what you are missing is, the numbers are very similar...regardless of who technically played better, there's no use of comparing because it's close. Manu had one more point on one less shot attempt....big deal, these are marginal differences. Even when provided with all of the stats that are recorded in games, you can't always say who played better solely based on them, there are a lot of other parts to the game that aren't recorded. For example, Manu fell asleep a couple of times on defense, allowing Richardson to get some easy buckets...like that one where Nash was down in the paint dribbling in circles like he does and Manu was watching him instead of his man J-Rich in front of him who proceeded by cutting right to the basket for an easy 2 points. And that's just one aspect, there's tons of things that statistics simply don't measure.

With that said, I'm not saying Tony played better, or vice versa. They both played well and that is that.


--another example is assists...Manu had 5 while also having 3 turnovers, Tony 3 with only 1 turnover, so Parker's A/TO ratio was technically better, but this isn't even what I'm getting at. Assists are largely dependent on whether or not the player receiving the pass makes the shot.... and we both can agree that the Spurs did not shoot well, especially from the perimeter. Once we understand that not every good pass to an open teammate results in a made shot, we can realize that both numbers are subject to variability.

So all in all, they both played well and having slightly better stats does not necessarily equate to having played better.

[DAF86]

well that was close too. What about one player having more minutes than the other?

So one more point in one less shot attempt, 3 more rebounds, 2 more assists and 4 more steals aren't important but two more minutes are?

Look, I think Manu was our best player you think Tony was, no big deal. They both played great and were our two best players, this is a stupid argument. I just got into it 'cause I was mad after the game. I won't spend another second on this.

[Bukefal]

Its not all about stats, its relative, it's more than that, especially if the stats of both are so close. I think TP lead the game and was the xfactor.

Besides, It doesnt even matter. I dont see this as a competition between Manu or TP, they are both part of our team. It probably matters for you. I was just saying that I think TP was the best in this particular game, that he played very well, nothing more nothing less and you bust my balls because of that, accusing me of tp 'cant make wrong for me'.

So, if you disagree fine, I see it differently. But, dont come saying TP cannot make wrong for me, because I dont care about that. maybe manu can make no wrong for you?

Im also glad TP showed a bit more of his old self

[sonic21]

the stats clearly showed who had the better game...

[DAF86]

Its not all about stats, its relative, it's more than that, especially if the stats of both are so close. I think TP lead the game and was the xfactor.

I know it's not all about stats, I watched the game that's way I'm arguing about who the best player of the game was. The reason why I think Manu was our best player is 'cause besides of all he did in offense he was a pest on defense and that doesn't show on a stat sheet except for the steals.


Besides, It doesnt even matter. I dont see this as a competition between Manu or TP, they are both part of our team. It probably matters for you.

No, it doesn't. I was just mad and bored and wanted to argue about something.


I was just saying that I think TP was the best in this particular game, that he played very well, nothing more nothing less and you bust my balls because of that, accusing me of tp 'cant make wrong for me'.

So, if you disagree fine, I see it differently. But, dont come saying TP cannot make wrong for me, because I dont care about that. maybe manu can make no wrong for you?

Im also glad TP showed a bit more of his old self

I'm a Manu homer but I try to keep it as objective as I can, I've been pretty critical of him several times and I even said that he was done earlier in the season.

I've never seen a critical post about TP from you, which is cool, I don't have a problem with that especially with the ungodly amount of unfair criticism he gets in here, I just called you on it 'cause like I said I was cranky after the game and I was agruing about that point. Because that's what you do in a internet forum: argue about things. If you didn't feel like arguing you should just have ignored my post.

[Bukefal]

I like to argue, I don't mind that, thats why I post. I was just reacting to what you said, that tp cant make no wrong for me, because I dont really care about that. They are both our players and both played well. I like Manu and I praise him when needed. I get your point about being mad and bored, no problem. I guess TP and Manu topics have always been a sensitive/touchy subject on here, from every side :lol


Now, let's hope they both have an outstanding game and see some beautiful sunset tonight :flag:


http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/843/30100139773233902511037.jpg

[kuato]

Manu 3pts Shooting

Career Season Average 0.376 (804 of 2,139)
Career Playoff Average 0.325 (183 of 487)
Game 1 against Suns 0.333 (3 of 9)

wow what an issue, normal shooting for Manu

He is a crazy horse on a court, is the way he plays basket, crazy, sometimes 8/8, sometimes 1/8, always a big factor

Not his best game in shooting, nothing to worry about

He has a broken nose and he is playing basketball !!!

Give him a break

Compare pre Nose incident and post Nose incident season stats and lets see.

[ALVAREZ6]

*bump*

Keep those retarded unnecessary threes comin' Manu if you wanna lose the game. I know you made a couple, but you were open on them, and there wasn't 20 seconds on the shot clock left.

[DAF86]

*bump*

Keep those retarded unnecessary threes comin' Manu if you wanna lose the game. I know you made a couple, but you were open on them, and there wasn't 20 seconds on the shot clock left.

Ginobili has been attempting those threes through his whole career, you take the good with the bad, same as the TOs. When those shots go in, they change the momentum of games, we just need one of them to go in.

[ALVAREZ6]

It's a different game in the playoffs, and against the Suns as well. Like I've said several times in this thread, chucking threes will not help the Spurs hold their lead. They can't even hold half of the leads they build for over 2 minutes.

[ALVAREZ6]

The Suns on the other hand take wide open threes, and that's what kills me. It's like Pop isn't even present in that aspect. I don't get how he hasn't stressed how important it is to get out on the Suns beyond the line.

They've had like 3 or 4 completely wide open threes, they camp out there.

[dbreiden83080]

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[Dr. Gonzo]

How cute, Alvarez is up past his bed time.

[ALVAREZ6]

How cute, Alvarez is up past his bed time.

Is it cute? I'm up til at least 3 or 4 am literally every night, it's impossible for me to be tired before then.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Is it cute? I'm up til at least 3 or 4 am literally every night, it's impossible for me to be tired before then.

That's adorable.

[ALVAREZ6]

What's adorable is Manu shooting a three while open from a pass from Parker and making it just now...amazing the difference.

[ALVAREZ6]

And now he's cookin' up. Now establish both threats and attack that rim.

[DAF86]

I bet you didn't hate that three.