The vaunted Suns Defense

[Trainwreck2100]

Please tell me that wasn't it.

[ChrisRichards]

Manu's nose looks funky and ghetto. He should put a face mask.

[JMarkJohns]

Who the fuck ever said "vaunted"?

[Goran Dragic]

Idk, please tell me that the dude named George Hill who was supposed to rape Nash in this series didn't play tonight.

[pauls931]

Neither team played a lick of D outside of ginobilli hackin.

[Trainwreck2100]

Idk, please tell me that the dude named George Hill who was supposed to rape Nash in this series didn't play tonight.

oh he's done for the playoffs thank you.

[Goran Dragic]

Oh OK. In that case, the Suns defense isn't "vaunted", just "improved".

[Trainwreck2100]

Please son, Gentry keeps talking like its legit

[Xylus]

This is a poor fucking thread. Bad form.

[mavsfan1000]

Nash looks like a better defender than Kidd. That says a lot about Kidd.

[JMarkJohns]

Legit enough is enough.

[Trainwreck2100]

This is a poor fucking thread. Bad form.

lets see-layup dreel
-gave up 2 14 point leads in the same half
and my personal favorite
-fouls Parker for the and 1 near the end of the game

Gentry should be angry as fuck, at least pop would be

[4>0rings]

Fucking embarassing

[N4th4n]

lets see-layup dreel
-gave up 2 14 point leads in the same half
and my personal favorite
-fouls Parker for the and 1 near the end of the game

Gentry should be angry as fuck, at least pop would be

Pop was prolly a bit angry about that whole losing thing I bet.

[Goran Dragic]

^:lol

[Trainwreck2100]

Pop was prolly a bit angry about that whole losing thing I bet.

way to completely ignore my point, which is there were so many holes in that D you could drive a truck through them. And they might want to be addressed before wed.

[Edward]

I agree they should address how easy it was for Parker and Manu to get to the rack. Hopefully they will.

[rayray2k8]

Parker and Ginobili got anything they wanted in the paint. This keeps up, it will haunt the suns the rest of the night.
Spurs still gotta make their 3's though.

[Xylus]

Lopez coming back will shore up some of the issues we have inside the paint.

[Goran Dragic]

Just to clarify, after all the domination from Parker and Ginobili, who won the game? Instead of circle jerking to how well Parker and Ginobili played, maybe Spurfan should worry more about getting bukkaked by J-Rich and Nash.

[Trainwreck2100]

Just to clarify, after all the domination from Parker and Ginobili, who won the game? Instead of circle jerking to how well Parker and Ginobili played, maybe Spurfan should worry more about getting bukkaked by J-Rich and Nash.



After seeing Parker splooge all over Nash when he started i'm not that worried

[Trainwreck2100]

I am worried about more bogans though

[Goran Dragic]

After seeing Parker splooge all over Nash when he started i'm not that worried


Fair enough. Congratulations on your moral victory tonight.

[N4th4n]

way to completely ignore my point, which is there were so many holes in that D you could drive a truck through them. And they might want to be addressed before wed.

Way to completely ignore the fact that you lost the game.

[Trainwreck2100]

Way to completely ignore the fact that you lost the game.

congrats on enjoying the first series lead in 7 years

Fair enough. Congratulations on your moral victory tonight.

no more victories, but its a marathon not a sprint, you have to look on how the series will progress Besides i've seen the spurs come back on the suns after losing the first game. So you know what its li.........oh wait you dont

[Goran Dragic]

no more victories, but its a marathon not a sprint, and i've seen the spurs come back on the suns after losing the first game. So you know what its li.........oh wait you dont

Congrats, you've seen the Spurs lose game 1 to a 44 win team led by Stephon Marbury and then come back.

I'm not saying Phoenix doesn't have issues to concern, I just find it funny Spurfan is harping on Phoenix like they're the team that needs to be making adjustments.

[Trainwreck2100]

Congrats, you've seen the Spurs lose game 1 to a 44 win team led by Stephon Marbury and then come back.

I'm not saying Phoenix doesn't have issues to concern, I just find it funny Spurfan is harping on Phoenix like they're the team that needs to be making adjustments.

i'm saying we've see the Spurs adjustments, I'm saying if the Suns don't adjust, they'll lose

[Goran Dragic]

i'm saying we've see the Spurs adjustments


The Spurs adjusted, tied the game up and then lost. It's not like their adjustments were too little too late. Even with their adjustments, Phoenix closed the game out down the stretch.

[Trainwreck2100]

The Spurs adjusted, tied the game up and then lost. It's not like their adjustments were too little too late. Even with their adjustments, Phoenix closed the game out down the stretch.

If you're banking on missed layups again, it could go either way. They got into the lane damn easy, too easy

[Goran Dragic]

If you're banking on missed layups again, it could go either way. They got into the lane damn easy, too easy

And Jason Richardson got open WAY too easy, maybe you should worry more about that considering he had a bigger night than either Parker or Manu.

[jag]

Neither defense looked solid so i'm not exactly sure what the point of this thread is.

"The Suns defense isn't as improved as you think it is. The Spurs defense might be worse."

[Goran Dragic]

Neither defense looked solid so i'm not exactly sure what the point of this thread is.

"The Suns defense isn't as improved as you think it is. The Spurs defense might be worse."


This is what I agree with. Without a healthy Lopez, the Suns' D isn't much better, but this is a far cry from the 2007 Spurs defense Phoenix faced.

[N4th4n]

congrats on enjoying the first series lead in 7 years


no more victories, but its a marathon not a sprint, you have to look on how the series will progress Besides i've seen the spurs come back on the suns after losing the first game. So you know what its li.........oh wait you dont

What we have here is a classic example of an insecure person being overly aggressive in an empty and pathetic attempt to hide their own weakness. A tried and true tactic of the simple minded.

[jag]

This is what I agree with. Without a healthy Lopez, the Suns' D isn't much better, but this is a far cry from the 2007 Spurs defense Phoenix faced.

George Hill played like he was expecting a ton of work on the offensive end. He had absolutely no focus on the defensive end. We're talking about a guy who guards Durant and Kobe and makes them work hard for quality shots. He was out there playing defense like he needed to save himself so he could put up 45 pts.

Without Lopez i'm not sure what adjustments the Suns can actually make. The Spurs, on the other hand, have some work to do.

[jag]

What we have here is a classic example of an insecure person being overly aggressive in an empty and pathetic attempt to hide their own weakness. A tried and true tactic of the simple minded.

I love sports message-board psychologists. So insightful...

[Goran Dragic]

George Hill played like he was expecting a ton of work on the offensive end. He had absolutely no focus on the defensive end. We're talking about a guy who guards Durant and Kobe and makes them work hard for quality shots. He was out there playing defense like he needed to save himself so he could put up 45 pts.

Without Lopez i'm not sure what adjustments the Suns can actually make. The Spurs, on the other hand, have some work to do.


Well word is Lopez has a good chance of returning on Wednesday.

And yeah I've always been a fan of George Hill, hopefully for his sake an improved jumper doesn't derail the type of player he is. This is an under the radar thing that happens to players who come in the league as gritty hustle players with weak jumpers who bust their ass on both ends, then get lazy and complacent once they develop a jumper. Josh Howard being a great example of this.

[Trainwreck2100]

What we have here is a classic example of an insecure person being overly aggressive in an empty and pathetic attempt to hide their own weakness. A tried and true tactic of the simple minded.

Yes you got me, i'm actually Garrett Temple and i'm just blowing off steam that Mason got PT ahead of me.


Cause that's the only way its "my" weakness, if I'm on the team you see. But i'm not on the team. Havin trouble understanding that one myself actually. Your post is what im having trouble understanding. not why I'm not on the team. I see i have to clarify for you people cause you have trouble reading between the lines.

[jag]

Well word is Lopez has a good chance of returning on Wednesday.

And yeah I've always been a fan of George Hill, hopefully for his sake an improved jumper doesn't derail the type of player he is. This is an under the radar thing that happens to players who come in the league as gritty hustle players with weak jumpers who bust their ass on both ends, then get lazy and complacent once they develop a jumper. Josh Howard being a great example of this.

He started doing it in the Dallas series. No one said much about it because he was dropping 20 pts...but now he's becoming a detriment out there. He needs to get back to focusing on defense. The offense will come on its own.

[Xylus]

Suns fans have been saying for awhile that the key to the Suns' improved defense is the presence of Robin Lopez in the paint. Without him, we have no Center.

Without Lopez, the Suns are obviously not as good defensively.

[jag]

Josh Howard was a good example btw. Matt Barnes will also do it from time to time if he's hitting shots.

[N4th4n]

I love sports message-board psychologists. So insightful...

What we have here is a classic case of someone who loves sports message-board psychologists. Clearly he values their insight.

[jag]

What we have here is a classic case of someone who loves sports message-board psychologists. Clearly he values their insight.

:lol

[Goran Dragic]

Josh Howard was a good example btw. Matt Barnes will also do it from time to time if he's hitting shots.


Quentin Richardson is the other really good example I can think of. His defense on the Suns got progressively worse and worse in 2005 as he continued to chuck 3's. By the time he got traded to NY, all he did was chuck 3's, he didn't play a lick of defense. LA was smart to let Ariza leave because I think he's the next player to add to this list.

[N4th4n]

Yes you got me, i'm actually Garrett Temple and i'm just blowing off steam that Mason got PT ahead of me.


Cause that's the only way its "my" weakness, if I'm on the team you see. But i'm not on the team. Havin trouble understanding that one myself actually. Your post is what im having trouble understanding. not why I'm not on the team. I see i have to clarify for you people cause you have trouble reading between the lines.

Alrighty then. I can see this fella here is about as slow as molasses so I am going to walk him through this nice and easy. Watch how this works folks.

First I question where you see me implying that you are part of the team? The over aggression I refer to exists within your post, not within your team. The weakness I refer to arises from your team and finds its self incarnate within you as a fan. You fear this weakness. You cannot confront it rationally so you begin to grasp at straws. The topic of the "vaunted sun's defense" is one you your self create. You create this as a symbol onto which you can direct your anger and fear. Thus the weakness of your team becomes your own personal weakness.

[Trainwreck2100]

Alrighty then. I can see this fella here is about as slow as molasses so I am going to walk him through this nice and easy. Watch how this works folks.

First I question where you see me implying that you are part of the team? The over aggression I refer to exists within your post, not within your team. The weakness I refer to arises from your team and finds its self incarnate within you as a fan. You fear this weakness. You cannot confront it rationally so you begin to grasp at straws. The topic of the "vaunted sun's defense" is one you your self create. You create this as a symbol onto which you can direct your anger and fear. Thus the weakness of your team becomes your own personal weakness.

That's just it, i don't associate my team's weakness with my own weaknesses. I never associate myself with the Spurs, I never ever use "I" or "Us" or "we" when referring to the Spurs. Cause it is fucking juvenile. I knew you were saying i associated myself with the team, but i was telling you that I'm not part of the team at all.

[pauls931]

This is what I agree with. Without a healthy Lopez, the Suns' D isn't much better, but this is a far cry from the 2007 Spurs defense Phoenix faced.

What's the story on Lopez? I'm not a fan of bringing injured players back late in the season, but Collins is horrible, that boy doesn't know what to do when he gets a rebound or just about any other situation. He plays like Dragic during his first year.

[resistanze]

My ass is sore just from reading the thread.

[N4th4n]

My ass is sore just from reading the thread.

Sorry. I will try to keep my dick in my pants from now on.

[da_suns_fan]

I thought the half court defense was good enough. They need to stop Parker and Ginobili from taking it coast to coast.

[Goran Dragic]

What's the story on Lopez? I'm not a fan of bringing injured players back late in the season, but Collins is horrible, that boy doesn't know what to do when he gets a rebound or just about any other situation. He plays like Dragic during his first year.


Same story with Lopez, day by day his status for Wednesday is up in the air, it is supposed to be a sure thing he comes back during this series. If he can come back for Wednesday that's huge. Just like game 1, I have absolutely no idea what I think happens tomorrow :lol

[Gaddabout]

Suns defense was weak because they're trying to double Duncan, just like all the years before, and just like all the years before, Duncan is playing point guard from the block. When the Spurs go small they have excellent spacing and they will attack the open space.

It's no shock. The Suns need RoLo back and attempt to stick to their man schemes if they hope to play any decent defense in this series. Duncan and Amare are bad matchups for each other. If the Suns have to continue to double down and do all the switching on the two-man game, history is pretty much guaranteed to repeat itself.

[Giuseppe]

Sunsdom says the Spurs are going to win.

Spursdom says the Suns are going to win.

A mutual admiration society.

It's a f'in disgrace.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It's OK for the Suns to double Duncan as the Spurs don't have jack shit for anyone worth a damn who can shoot 40%+ on 3 pointers.

[Giuseppe]

You ain't gonna win at 23 feet, son. Get the ball in the paint, whether you drive it there, or, post it there.

You know this. You're just drifting in the winds.

[Trainwreck2100]

Suns put up almost the exact same point totals in games 1 and 2 in the lakers series as they did in the spurs series, amazing when a wide open 3 is made

[Trainwreck2100]

Sons the suns chink in their vaunted defense has been found, make your wide open 3s

[monosylab1k]

lame