Bonner and Mason era is over!

[dbestpro]

The Bonner and Mason era has offcially ended! Yeah!!!!!!!!

[VBM]

The Bonner and Mason era has offcially ended! Yeah!!!!!!!!

:flag:

[mameha]

now, don't jinx it! :)

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say Bonner will be back..

Thankfully, Mason is gone..

[NewJerSpur]

Don't be shocked if you see Bonner again next year...I'm not saying it's a lock or anything, but I definitely wouldn't count him out of the equation.

[Spurs Brazil]

Mason for sure and this is the only thing that make me happy now

I not sure about Bonner, for me he can go but I think the Spurs may offer him a contract.

For Mason. FUCK YOU QUITTER. FOR ME YOU ARE THE WORST SPUR ALL TIME. GTFO

[scottspurs]

Mason is definitely gone. Bonner is on maybe status. If he will sign a cheap contract the spurs will probably bring him back.

[m33p0]

mason is definitely out. bonner, i think, will be staying until february at the least.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Bonner will get the Michael Finley Friends of Pop contract extension.

:puke

Mase is out.

[Budkin]

Who the hell is going to take Bonner?

[ffadicted]

I really wouldn't mind bonner back if he wasn't such a fucking playoff choker, he's actually an alright big that spreads the floor and shoots well in the regular season

[Borosai]

Mason is gone for sure.

Bonner might be back, but he lost money either way. The Spurs MUST reinforce their frontline, and if they do, Bonner would be an emergency big who knows the system. 4th or 5th big. But the team has to get more size and talent down there. Duncan and Dice are showing their age, and Blair is undersized. Is Splitter enough?

[The_Worlds_finest]

The Bonner and Mason era has offcially ended! Yeah!!!!!!!!

:huddle::huddle::huddle::huddle::huddle::huddle::h uddle::rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:r ollin

[baseline bum]

Bonner actually showed up the last two games, so I'll give him major props. With that said, I can't stand 3-point shooting bigs unless they're freaks of nature like Robert Horry who can deliver on the defensive end too. Mason and Bogans are easily the worst failures on this team since Van Exel and Udrih (and at least Nick had an excuse with his knees).

[MannyIsGod]

I think I bring back Bonner for the vet min if thats all it takes. As a fifth big I think he'd be fine.

Mason and Bogans need to kindly GTFO however.

[myhc]

:huddle::huddle::huddle::huddle::huddle::huddle::h uddle::rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:r ollin

holy crap i've never seen that smilie before. i want one to celebrate mason being dropkicked to the curb.

:huddle::huddle::huddle::huddle::huddle::huddle:

[EricB]

If he comes back cheap and is ok being behind splitter Blair dyes and Duncan. Then I wouldn't be shocked....

[coyotes_geek]

I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say Bonner will be back..

Thankfully, Mason is gone..

Agree on both counts.

[EricB]

I think I bring back Bonner for the vet min if thats all it takes. As a fifth big I think he'd be fine.

Mason and Bogans need to kindly GTFO however.


Agreed100%

[NewJerSpur]

I'd like to see Bogans back myself, particularly if he can work like George did on his corner 3's to help space the floor. Played some pretty good defense to end the series against Dallas when given minutes and some overall good defense in the time he got against the Suns.

Mase lost his touch early this year (maybe even as early as the latter half of last season) and did not respond too well to the decrease in minutes this year. Hopefully he finds his jumper somewhere else.

[toki9]

Bonner as an inexpensive backup big isn't so bad--during the regular season...

Mason and the Centerpiece absolutely have to go, with Jefferson close behind (by February?)...

[Shank]

Bonner had better hope the Spurs throw him a bone. How the hell is that guy even in the NBA?

[ploto]

The problem with bringing back Bonner is the same issue when Finley was brought back. Pop can not resist playing them when they should be the end of the rotation vets.

[boutons_deux]

Bonner has proven he's not a playoff guy.
Bogans and Mason have proven thay aren't NBA guys.

All three must go.

[ThePop]

:danceclub

[TampaDude]

BUH BYE, Mason...you worthless piece of shit.

:danceclub :danceclub :danceclub :danceclub :danceclub

[MannyIsGod]

The problem with bringing back Bonner is the same issue when Finley was brought back. Pop can not resist playing them when they should be the end of the rotation vets.

I think if Splitter comes over Bonner really has to become a spot player with Duncan, Splitter, Blair and McDyess ahead of him in the rotation. I doubt Pop has the same type of love for Bonner that he did for Finley.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm not in favor of Bonner coming back, to be clear, but I really don't think the Spurs will let him go..

There are very few stretch bigs that I like..

[Stringer_Bell]

Goodbye Mason!!!!!!

I think if Bonner doesn't stay here as a regular season option, he could end up in Toronto.

[Chomag]

Bonner would just be our next finley, taking up room away from other players to develope.

[superjames1992]

The Bonner and Mason era has offcially ended! Yeah!!!!!!!!

Mason is gone, most likely, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Bonner back, though his role will probably be lessened if Splitter comes over.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think I bring back Bonner for the vet min if thats all it takes. As a fifth big I think he'd be fine.

Mason and Bogans need to kindly GTFO however.

Bonner will get the Friends (of Pop) with benefits deal like Finley got when his deal was up.

Pop will probably foolishly bring back Bogans in some sort of horribly misguided attempt at finding another Bowen after we got thrashed by Richardson in the Phoenix series.

[elbamba]

The Spurs will move either Parker or Jefferson.

[coyotes_geek]

Bonner would just be our next finley, taking up room away from other players to develope.

Between Blair, Hill, Splitter and whoever the 1st round draft pick is there's already going to be plenty of young players to be developing. Not saying it has to be Bonner, but the Spurs need more veterans. Half the roster this year consisted of d-leaguers and guys who were half a notch above d-league. That needs to change.

[4>0rings]

If Bonners here next year, fuck the Spurs.

[NewJerSpur]

Bonner will get the Friends (of Pop) with benefits deal like Finley got when his deal was up.

Pop will probably foolishly bring back Bogans in some sort of horribly misguided attempt at finding another Bowen after we got thrashed by Richardson in the Phoenix series.

He played pretty good defense on the road against Phoenix and help spark some runs by the Spurs. He doesn't have Bruce's lateral quickness, but he's tough/physical and doesn't give up on any plays. Hopefully he develops the jumper more in the offseason.

[pjjrfan]

Well I hope they both go, but I gotta give Bonner his due. He showed up tonight and he played well.

[VBM]

In other news, Charles just called all San Antonio women fat-asses. Lol...

[dbestpro]

Bonner hit some shots, but he also missed several rotations. He simply gets too much playing time for his over all limited skill. We need to get back to being a defense first team. Bonner is not part of a defensive equation.

[EIC]

Well I hope they both go, but I gotta give Bonner his due. He showed up tonight and he played well.

Oh Jesus, not this. Bonner proceeds to completely and utterly suck through eight playoff games, plays mediocre ball in the last two, and suddenly he gets his due? That's like a mass-murder showing remorse at sentencing. No. He does not get "props" or his "due." He gets a polite wave goodbye instead of a swift kick in the ass out the door.

That guy has clearly pissed off the basketball Gods somehow, and any team he's on will suffer in the playoffs.

[VBM]

Oh Jesus, not this. Bonner proceeds to completely and utterly suck through eight playoff games, plays mediocre ball in the last two, and suddenly he gets his due? That's like a mass-murder showing remorse at sentencing. No. He does not get "props" or his "due." He gets a polite wave goodbye instead of a swift kick in the ass out the door.

That guy has clearly pissed off the basketball Gods somehow, and any team he's on will suffer in the playoffs.

Matt Bonner isn't worth bringing back if he only plays well in home games...our days of automatic homecourt advantage are long gone

[superjames1992]

That guy has clearly pissed off the basketball Gods somehow, and any team he's on will suffer in the playoffs.

Bonner was on the Spurs when we won they Championship in 2007. Your statement is false.

[androck]

Bonner will probably be back unless he can get a bigger contract elsewhere. Regardless, I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a raise: he's an adjusted plus/minus monster. As the third big for the Spurs (after Tim and McDyess but before Blair), he's not ideal. As the 5th big (after Blair who won't be a rookie next year and Splitter) he is AWESOME.

[EIC]

Bonner was on the Spurs when we won they Championship in 2007. Your statement is false.

But did he actually touch the floor? It's when he checks in that the winds change. I'm telling you it's uncanny. I've never seen anything like it.

[Russ]

As weak as the Spurs 3 point shooting is, you can bet Bonner will be back. :rolleyes

Although it's unfair, I will always associate the sight of Bonner with the Spurs' slippage the last couple of years. He can never be Horry (even if he could hit big shots) because he is utterly ineffective under the hoop. People forget that Horry could rebound, the Achilles heel of big Matt's game.

[alchemist]

You have to cut ties with Bogans/Mason/Bonner, it will open up big minutes to develop Malik and Temple.

[AFBlue]

Bonner actually showed up the last two games, so I'll give him major props. With that said, I can't stand 3-point shooting bigs unless they're freaks of nature like Robert Horry who can deliver on the defensive end too. Mason and Bogans are easily the worst failures on this team since Van Exel and Udrih (and at least Nick had an excuse with his knees).

Correction: Bonner showed up offensively the last two games. He is and always will be a liability defensively, and if the Spurs ever want to get back to contention that's the area in which they need to excel.

I counted two critical mistakes in the second half of this game...one, missing a clear rotation to pick up Richardson who slammed it home and two, losing sight of Dudley cutting to the rim and watching him finish the and-1 from the foul he drew on Hill.

Things like that have me PRAYING we don't see Bonner back in a Spurs uni. I would love to see the Spurs go out and draft another player who can fill his role (Hayward, Babbitt, Brackins).

As for Mason...he gone!

[Capt Bringdown]

Bonner will get the Friends (of Pop) with benefits deal like Finley got when his deal was up.


How f'd up was bringing back Finley? That put us in a hole that we never really climbed out of.

So yeah, all this celebratory talk, hey kids, check yourselves. This is the Spurs we're talking about.

[kromediablo]

Bonner came to play today...i dont know why he was never given another shot at a 3pointer late in the game.....seriously this ticks me off

[AFBlue]

On Bogans...I know he took alot of flack for seemingly being overrated defensively, but I thought he was one of they only really physical, gritty players the Spurs had on their roster. If the Spurs could get a guy like Raja Bell it'd be an upgrade, but I wouldn't mind seeing Keith back in a Spurs uni.

[Chief]

why all the hate on mason ? we were all hanging from his nuts last year when he was draining and 1's against the lakers. then this year we give him 0 minutes so he's not happy with it. so what ?

[JsnSA]

Bonner has actually played very well in long stretches over the last two regular seasons. Hopefully he will do the same again and then we can trade his ass for someone that will hit a shot or two when it matters.

[Shastafarian]

why all the hate on mason ?Are you fucking serious?

we were all hanging from his nuts last year when he was draining and 1's against the lakers.We liked him when he played well.

then this year we give him 0 minutes so he's not happy with it. so what ?
We give him 0 minutes because he shoots under 10% from the field in the playoffs. Or maybe because he couldn't hit a shot all year.

[JsnSA]

why all the hate on mason ? we were all hanging from his nuts last year when he was draining and 1's against the lakers. then this year we give him 0 minutes so he's not happy with it. so what ?

Mason was given plenty of opportunities this year to play. But he was awful all year long. You would expect that he would eventually come out of his shooting slump but it never happened.

I was really looking forward to Mason returning to form and hitting those 3s while the opposing players are worrying about Tim, Tony, Manu and Richard. Sadly, Mason was the most disappointing player for me this year..even more so than Jefferson.

[AFBlue]

why all the hate on mason ? we were all hanging from his nuts last year when he was draining and 1's against the lakers. then this year we give him 0 minutes so he's not happy with it. so what ?

He shrunk in the playoffs last year and shot career lows all season, despite averaging 20MPG. When his PT dipped, he complained and tried to get traded. When he didn't get traded and Parker went down with injury, he responded by continuing to play horribly.

He just isn't that good.

[ElNono]

I think I bring back Bonner for the vet min if thats all it takes. As a fifth big I think he'd be fine.

Mason and Bogans need to kindly GTFO however.

You have to let Bonner go. He will not be the 5th big if he's on the bench. It's the Finley syndrome. He's there, and Pop will reach out and play him.

He needs to go. I do give him props for making some shots the last couple of games, especially this one, but he also gave up plenty on the other end.
That turnover where Pop turned around and hit the table should be a good reminder of why we just need a smarter player out there.

[Creation88]

praise the lord

[ElNono]

Mason, Bogans and Bonner, GTFO IMHO. Get some though players out there that want to actually play defense and don't go into fetal position during the playoffs.

[objective]

If either Bonner or Mason is re-signed I won't spend another dime on the Spurs for the duration of that contract.

[8FOR!3]

Bonner had better hope the Spurs throw him a bone. How the hell is that guy even in the NBA?

One word; Najera.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Bonner will probably be back unless he can get a bigger contract elsewhere. Regardless, I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a raise: he's an adjusted plus/minus monster. As the third big for the Spurs (after Tim and McDyess but before Blair), he's not ideal. As the 5th big (after Blair who won't be a rookie next year and Splitter) he is AWESOME.

The problem with Bonner is he's anti-clutch. Whether it's a regular season game on the line, or any of the post-season, dude is a choker.

[MaNu4Tres]

A year overdue.

Spurs should have traded both while their value was higher last off-season. If that was the case they could be sitting with 2 1st rounders going into this year's draft and a young prospect at least.

It was obvious their opportunities was going to be scarce by the additions the Spurs made. Their value was bound to drop significantly.

I was praying they would move them at this time last year. Oh well I guess this off-season is fine.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Bonner came to play today...i dont know why he was never given another shot at a 3pointer late in the game.....seriously this ticks me off

The problem is too many of you apparently think because a guy hits a couple of shots on the offensive end, he 'brought it'.

For perspective, Bonner had three rebounds in THIRTY minutes tonight. You are a center on the San Antonio Spurs pulling down three freakin' rebounds, an average of one every ten minutes?

You could take any person posting in this thread, put them on the court in an NBA game, and they'd have three rebounds land in their lap in thirty minutes.

His rebounding is anemic, teams aren't afraid of him blocking shots (because he doesn't do it) so they go to the rack strong against us, and when he's in choker mode he also likes to put it on the floor and drive, and turns it over (like his three TOs tonight).

Bonner's +/- looks so good because he's often out there playing side by side with Tim, Manu, and Tony. Not shocking he puts up a decent plus/minus with teammates like that.

[ElNono]

The problem is too many of you apparently think because a guy hits a couple of shots on the offensive end, he 'brought it'.

For perspective, Bonner had three rebounds in THIRTY minutes tonight. You are a center on the San Antonio Spurs pulling down three freakin' rebounds, an average of one every ten minutes?

You could take any person posting in this thread, put them on the court in an NBA game, and they'd have three rebounds land in their lap in thirty minutes.

His rebounding is anemic, teams aren't afraid of him blocking shots (because he doesn't do it) so they go to the rack strong against us, and when he's in choker mode he also likes to put it on the floor and drive, and turns it over (like his three TOs tonight).

Bonner's +/- looks so good because he's often out there playing side by side with Tim, Manu, and Tony. Not shocking he puts up a decent plus/minus with teammates like that.

Not to mention that teams don't guard him anymore, allowing them to pack the paint.

[The Truth #6]

My gut tells me Bonner will be resigned. The Spurs will lowball him and he'll still accept it, well knowing that no one else will sign him. I really hope they just part ways.

[MaNu4Tres]

My gut tells me Bonner will be resigned. The Spurs will lowball him and he'll still accept it, well knowing that no one else will sign him. I really hope they just part ways.

What I find hilarious is in 2007, the Spurs didn't wait for Bonner to figure out his market value with other teams. They signed him within the first days of free agency. And as free agency went along it turned out his market value would have been half of what he got. One of the few dumb moves the Spurs F.O made, but hey all F.O's make mistakes.

Not to mention that was when Spurs traded away Scola's right's to a rival to save 2.75 million.

[Ditty]

i dont have a problem with bonner if he works on his rebounding and gets stronger he can be a hell of role player in which alot of people dont understand that thats what he is but at the same time i think he fits our system if we get a defense big man who can block shots and be presence in the middle and rebound also(hopefully splitter could be that) or haywood he will be fine for the cheap

[SenorSpur]

Bonner may be considered a 'big" by some because of measurables. However in terms of game and ability, he's a "small". The Spurs are not going to upgrade by hanging onto a 6'10" stiff, that comes up small in the playoffs. He doesn't deserve a spot on this roster. He's not good enough.

Besides, there's absolutely no way he should be kept ahead of Ian Mahinmi.

All of which is why Pop and RC just may bring him back. ugh!

[objective]

i dont have a problem with bonner if he works on his rebounding and gets stronger he can be a hell of role player in which alot of people dont understand that thats what he is but at the same time i think he fits our system if we get a defense big man who can block shots and be presence in the middle and rebound also(hopefully splitter could be that) or haywood he will be fine for the cheap

The dude is already 30, he'll be 31 by the 2nd round of next season.

How much stronger and better at rebounding could he possibly be at this point of his career?

[Ditty]

The dude is already 30, he'll be 31 by the 2nd round of next season.

How much stronger and better at rebounding could he possibly be at this point of his career?

well of course thats up to matt to decide to get better unless dirk or frye come over this offseason

i still beleive spurs need that guy to spread the floor it was working tonight except the spurs couldnt make a stop on the defense end and manu had a bad game

[baseline bum]

Correction: Bonner showed up offensively the last two games. He is and always will be a liability defensively, and if the Spurs ever want to get back to contention that's the area in which they need to excel.

I counted two critical mistakes in the second half of this game...one, missing a clear rotation to pick up Richardson who slammed it home and two, losing sight of Dudley cutting to the rim and watching him finish the and-1 from the foul he drew on Hill.

Things like that have me PRAYING we don't see Bonner back in a Spurs uni. I would love to see the Spurs go out and draft another player who can fill his role (Hayward, Babbitt, Brackins).

As for Mason...he gone!

Don't get me wrong. I sincerely hope I never have to see Bonner in a Spurs uniform again.... but expecting him to play any kind of passable defense is pretty unrealistic. He's a one-trick pony, and he did that trick pretty well the last couple of games. All you can really ask of Bonner is that he hits open shots.

[SCdac]

In my opinion, if a player has been in our system for a good 2 years and isn't directly contributing to a winning and defensive culture, than we need to turn the page and look elsewhere.

Pop looked to trade Nazr and Rasho almost as soon as he deemed them useless, we let Udrih and Udoka go, I see no reason why we can't let Bonner and Mason walk.

It's become less about what they can do as individual talents and more about what they add to our team, and it's just not enough for the amount of minutes they play and the kind of stages we need them to perform (playoffs).

Let their nearly $7 million dollar contracts combined come off the books I say. Turn the page.

[jjvalerieD]

The Bonner and Mason era never begin...

[SenorSpur]

In my opinion, if a player has been in our system for a good 2 years and isn't directly contributing to a winning and defensive culture, than we need to turn the page and look elsewhere.

Exactly the point. Two straight years of postseason failure should be enough to convince everyone that Bonner doesn't belong. He's had ample opportunity and it's now more than obvious that he's simply not good enough.

Perhaps there is a place for him on an NBA roster, but not the Spurs.

[vednam]

The problem with bringing back Bonner is the same issue when Finley was brought back. Pop can not resist playing them when they should be the end of the rotation vets.

[SenorSpur]

The problem is too many of you apparently think because a guy hits a couple of shots on the offensive end, he 'brought it'.

For perspective, Bonner had three rebounds in THIRTY minutes tonight. You are a center on the San Antonio Spurs pulling down three freakin' rebounds, an average of one every ten minutes?

You could take any person posting in this thread, put them on the court in an NBA game, and they'd have three rebounds land in their lap in thirty minutes.

His rebounding is anemic, teams aren't afraid of him blocking shots (because he doesn't do it) so they go to the rack strong against us, and when he's in choker mode he also likes to put it on the floor and drive, and turns it over (like his three TOs tonight).

Bonner's +/- looks so good because he's often out there playing side by side with Tim, Manu, and Tony. Not shocking he puts up a decent plus/minus with teammates like that.

Allow me to help pile on.

The other problem I have with Bonner (and there are many) is that he simply doesn't have a big man's mentality. Too many times, especially in this series, I've seen him FAIL to put a body on a man, thereby allowing opponents to sneak in for easy offensive rebounds. In Game 2 in Phoenix, Jared Dudley literally breathed life into his team and the crowd by nabbing about 3-4 offensive rebound putback, plus the "and-1".

A couple of these were over Bonner, who simply stood under the rim, flat-footed, waiting for the ball to drop into his hands, while Dudley came in. Now, not all of those were the fault of Bonner, because Blair was guilty of the same on one play. Still, those key "energy" plays by Dudley changed the momentum and allowed the Suns back into a game that the Spurs had taken control of.

However from then on, as I started watching Bonner's reactions when opponents shots went up. It became clear to me that he lacks the presence of mind to box out consistently and finding and sealing off his opponent so as to secure rebounds. Saw this a lot from Michael Finley, when he was here. Absolutely terrible at keeping himself between the opponent and the rim.

Because reboudnding is more about desire and positioning, it's clear Bonner has little of either. Perhaps that is a reason, along with lack of desire, as to why his rebound numbers are so paltry.

It takes toughness (mental and physical) to succeed in the playoffs. That's why players like Robert Horry did and why Bonner hasn't. As far as I'm concerned the Bonner era can't be over fast enough for me.

[Brox6]

I think Mason is gone for sure..but Bonner? Pop still needs a limo driver..

[NFGIII]

I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say Bonner will be back..

Thankfully, Mason is gone..


Don't be shocked if you see Bonner again next year...I'm not saying it's a lock or anything, but I definitely wouldn't count him out of the equation.


If he comes back cheap and is ok being behind splitter Blair dyes and Duncan. Then I wouldn't be shocked....

I think he probably will be back next season for the vet min. I really can't see the FO dishing out any real money for him. And with Splitter coming he is destined to be the 5th big anyway which means spot minutes and not much more.


Who the hell is going to take Bonner?

Nellie ball or any team that believes/knows it wont make the POs. He is a decent regular season role player. And he will come pretty cheap after his last two PO performances. And in these economic times that will probably get him a roster spot somewhere.


Bonner had better hope the Spurs throw him a bone. How the hell is that guy even in the NBA?


He is a career 40+% 3pt shooter which will make a few teams to at least give him some consideration.



The problem is too many of you apparently think because a guy hits a couple of shots on the offensive end, he 'brought it'.

For perspective, Bonner had three rebounds in THIRTY minutes tonight. You are a center on the San Antonio Spurs pulling down three freakin' rebounds, an average of one every ten minutes?

You could take any person posting in this thread, put them on the court in an NBA game, and they'd have three rebounds land in their lap in thirty minutes.

His rebounding is anemic, teams aren't afraid of him blocking shots (because he doesn't do it) so they go to the rack strong against us, and when he's in choker mode he also likes to put it on the floor and drive, and turns it over (like his three TOs tonight).

Bonner's +/- looks so good because he's often out there playing side by side with Tim, Manu, and Tony. Not shocking he puts up a decent plus/minus with teammates like that.

And don't forget that he turned into a TO machine in game 4. Bad passes and that one which he just chucked it to no one was pretty pathetic.

[slick'81]

no way mason is resigned even if the spurs offered him a deal no way he comes back

bogans no need for him if he couldnt help us this season v phoenix he wont be much help next year

and dont even get me started on bonner....lord help me if hes back just reeks of failure

[timtonymanu]

Thanks Mason for your 4 game winners that really didnt mean anything. :toast

Mason is definitely gone. Udoka's second year >>> Mason's second year. And Udoka wasnt brought back.

Bonner I really dont want back because I know Pop will overplay him but I feel like Pop believes he can contribute. Same with Bogans. These two should be gone but I wouldnt be surprised if they were brought back. If they are, it better be for cheap and these two really need to improve their game.