Parker Trade, this actually makes sense

[mfanatic]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cnkstu

Bibby/Gill
Manu/Hairston
Williams/Jefferson
Duncan/Blair
Splitter/Mcdyess

[DPG21920]

That is a terrible trade for the Spurs.

[phyzik]

at best, that is a lateral move. Does nothing to improve the Spurs.

You dont trade just for the sake of trading.

[crc21209]

Mike Bibby fucking sucks...how about NO. :td

[DPG21920]

If by lateral you mean going way backwards, then yes.

[beachwood]

We want to make the team better, not worse.

[tdunk21]

josh smith would be awesome but the hawks would say fuck ya

[PBEEZY]

that is a terrible trade for the spurs.

this

[Lackluster]

josh smith would be awesome but the hawks would say fuck ya

that's my dream trade right there. parker for josh smith straight up. he's exactly the kind of dynamic defensive big man we need and one of the few in the league i'd actually deal parker for.

(although i think splitter can be the defensive, mobile 4 we need as well)

if the hawks could somehow retain joe johnson i think him and parker could play well together. if not then parker and crawford would be a pretty sick guard rotation as well with bibby coming off the bench. if joe johnson walks, atlanta could certainly use tony's potential 20/7 to offset their missed backcourt production.

[DesignatedT]

this makes no sense at all. you should just stop posting.

and parker isn't and shouldn't go anywhere. stop with this nonsense.

[tdunk21]

would also like al jefferson next to timmy....but it wont happen

[mogrovejo]

What you need next to Duncan is a quick-footed athlete. A Tyrus Thomas. Not another slow-footed big like Al Jefferson. It amazes me so many Spurs fans still believe Duncan can be paired with another center.

[mogrovejo]

Oh, horrible deal. Bibby is probably the worst defensive PG in the league. Bottom 3 for sure. And his offensive game has declined big time, can't create by driving into the lane, doesn't break down defenders of the bounce anymore and he was always more of a creator than a good game manager.

[tdunk21]

What you need next to Duncan is a quick-footed athlete. A Tyrus Thomas. Not another slow-footed big like Al Jefferson. It amazes me so many Spurs fans still believe Duncan can be paired with another center.

what are the celtics upto this offseason....

[Bukefal]

lol no it doesnt

[DPG21920]

I don't want to make fun of you or discourage you. You just have to understand that trades in the NBA are incredibly difficult for a multitude of reasons. If you stick around and observe, you will learn a lot.

[Agloco]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cnkstu

Bibby/Gill
Manu/Hairston
Williams/Jefferson
Duncan/Blair
Splitter/Mcdyess

lol

[baseline bum]

Williams is a borderline bust going coming off a bad season and a much worse playoffs, and Bibby's too old. Why have two Jeffersons on the team? Enough with players on the wrong side of 30 too.

[mogrovejo]

what are the celtics upto this offseason....

I have no idea, but personally I'd blow up the team even if they win it all. Trade Garnett + Pierce + Wallace + let Ray Allen walk + trade Glenn Davis + shop Perkins for a late lottery pick. Throw the MLE at Amir Johnson or Tyrus Thomas, draft Paul George, put some athletes around Rondo and hire a guy like Paul Silas if Doc doesn't want to stay.

Anyway, our off-season hasn't started yet.

[DPG21920]

MLE for Amir Johnson?

[tdunk21]

I have no idea, but personally I'd blow up the team even if they win it all. Trade Garnett + Pierce + Wallace + let Ray Allen walk + trade Glenn Davis + shop Perkins for a late lottery pick. Throw the MLE at Amir Johnson or Tyrus Thomas, draft Paul George, put some athletes around Rondo and hire a guy like Paul Silas if Doc doesn't want to stay.

Anyway, our off-season hasn't started yet.

u guys have a deep bench but i think doc doesnt trust most of the guys..

[mogrovejo]

MLE for Amir Johnson?

Yeps, it'll probably take that to make Toronto blink.

[DPG21920]

Pfffffffft. You are crazy imo. He would be lucky to get a raise.

[I <3 SPURS]

It makes a lot more sense to trade for Chris Paul and James Posey of the Hornets for Parker and Jefferson.

[Allanon]

Williams is a borderline bust going coming off a bad season and a much worse playoffs.

This.

[VBM]

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2149/samirjc9.jpg

[beachwood]

It makes a lot more sense to trade for Chris Paul and James Posey of the Hornets for Parker and Jefferson.

Doesn't make sense for the Hornets, that's the only problem with that.

[angelbelow]

lol no...

[mogrovejo]

Pfffffffft. You are crazy imo. He would be lucky to get a raise.

Why? I'd like to see what Johnson could do playing big minutes regularly. I think he'd quickly become one of the best big man defenders in the league (very good on the pick'n'roll, shot blocker, very fast changing ends, versatile defending m2m) + good rebounder + freakishly efficient garbage man offensively. In fact, I think we'll see all that next season.

And in a running team with an elite PG who's willing to take risks, he'd look even better.

[DPG21920]

I think he is a poor mans TT and that is not a good thing. Certainly not an MLE level player imo. Those are the kinds of contracts you give to "great athletes" that get you into trouble.

[DAF86]

WTF? This is a horrible trade for the Spurs.

[DAF86]

Doesn't make sense for the Hornets, that's the only problem with that.

If the Hornets want to rebuild it does make sense for them.

[da_suns_fan]

That is a terrible trade for the Spurs.

I was gonna say "would the Spurs really WANT that trade?'

[ShoogarBear]

Mike Bibby is the Matt Bonner of point guards.

[mogrovejo]

I think he is a poor mans TT and that is not a good thing. Certainly not an MLE level player imo. Those are the kinds of contracts you give to "great athletes" that get you into trouble.

I'd prefer Thomas - even though Amir is a safer bet. Johnson isn't an athlete only, he's a quality defender who improved quite a bit this last season. He consistently makes his teams better, in Toronto and Detroit. He's still very foul prone, and that's been holding him back (and the lack of regular minutes + a consistent role is a big reason why he still struggles with fouls), but even if he plateaus as a 25mpg backup off the bench... a MLE contract for a 23 years old backup big who plays quality defense at both positions, rebounds the ball and plays within his role offensively is far from a killer.

I'm pretty sure he'll sign a contract close to the MLE this off-season.

[wildbill2u]

that's my dream trade right there. parker for josh smith straight up. he's exactly the kind of dynamic defensive big man we need and one of the few in the league i'd actually deal parker for.

(although i think splitter can be the defensive, mobile 4 we need as well)

if the hawks could somehow retain joe johnson i think him and parker could play well together. if not then parker and crawford would be a pretty sick guard rotation as well with bibby coming off the bench. if joe johnson walks, atlanta could certainly use tony's potential 20/7 to offset their missed backcourt production.

Splitter can play defense, but he looks like Duncan when blocking shots. No lift.

[My Fault]

No trade for Parker actually makes sense. People just wanna trade him for the sake of trading. Luckily RC is the GM and not these morons.

[Horry For 3!]

:lmao Parker for Marvin Williams who has never lived up to his potential and probably never will and a washed up Bibby, thats funny

[kobyz]

Joe Johnson(sign-and-trade), Josh Smith, Mike Bibby for Parker, Jefferson, Splitter and the 20th pick.

Hill/Bibby
Manu/De Colo/Temple
Joe Johnson/Raja Bell(FA)
Josh Smith/Blair/Mahinmi
Duncan/McDyess

[DesignatedT]

Joe Johnson(sign-and-trade), Josh Smith, Mike Bibby for Parker, Jefferson, Splitter and the 20th pick.

Hill/Bibby
Manu/De Colo/Temple
Joe Johnson/Raja Bell(FA)
Josh Smith/Blair/Mahinmi
Duncan/McDyess

This is a joke right? :bang

[Sisk]

Joe Johnson(sign-and-trade), Josh Smith, Mike Bibby for Parker, Jefferson, Splitter and the 20th pick.

Hill/Bibby
Manu/De Colo/Temple
Joe Johnson/Raja Bell(FA)
Josh Smith/Blair/Mahinmi
Duncan/McDyess

Joe Johnson? Just what we need.. another guy disappearing in the playoffs.

If this isn't a joke then DAMN

[Dr. Gonzo]

Trade thread!

[kobyz]

Joe Johnson? Just what we need.. another guy disappearing in the playoffs.

If this isn't a joke then DAMN

i just throw some trade idea like everyone, but you want to tell me you wouldn't do this?!?! it will be dumb not to do this
this is a dream trade, you saw what lineup it will give us, Joe Johnson is superstar, meybe not the best franchise player but he still great player, Josh Smith should have been allstar this year and he exactly what we need long side Duncan.

[TJastal]

I'd rather have Horford and Crawford then either Johnson or Smith. Parker for Horford and Crawford fills two huge holes and then the spurs can use #20 on a point guard.

[TJastal]

I'd do Horford and Bibby too... for Parker. Bibby still has several decent years left, which should coincide with Duncan's career.

[kobyz]

Horford is like Splitter, no need for both, Bibby is not much anymore, i rather keep Parker!

[TJastal]

Horford is like Splitter, no need for both, Bibby is not much anymore, i rather keep Parker!

Ahh, of course. Almost forgot Splitter. Silly me. We can pencil him in for Horford's 14/10/1 a game no problem. Hell, I'm just gonna pencil him in for 25/15/3 and the next 5 titles. That's right, quintuple-peat baby!

Thanks for correcting the error of my ways, Kobyz

[kobyz]

Horford is the better player right now, but Splitter is the type of player Horford is and could give the same things, so if you have Splitter there is no need to give up Parker for Horford.

[TJastal]

Horford is the better player right now, but Splitter is the type of player Horford is and could give the same things, so if you have Splitter there is no need to give up Parker for Horford.

But you made it sound like Splitter was a sure thing in your above post. Now he "could" give the same things? Don't tell me I have to erase all this now, I just pencilled him in for 14/10/1

:dizzy

[TJastal]

With a Parker for Horford / Bibby swap the spurs roster would look like

PG Bibby/Hill
SG Manu/Temple, Bogans or Gee?
SF RJ/Hairston/#20 pick?
PF Horford/Blair/FA sign or Bonner
C Duncan/Dice/maybe Mahinmi?

Pretty good lineup, Horford allows the spurs to use Dice off the bench with Blair which does wonders for the 2nd team defense. If Bonner is retained, he is the 5th big that sees court time sporadically at best. Horford's young, mobile, athletic, and very talented. Plus he is big enough to be a good post defender and shotblocker. This helps Tim Duncan not have work so hard.

Bibby gives the spurs a very experienced PG and more of a distributor in the starting lineup which should mesh well with Jefferson. He can also shoot the 3 @ 40% which is more than enough.

If the spurs want another shot at a title in the Duncan era they need to reload now, and this would be a possible solution IMO. There really isn't time to wait for Splitter to adjust to the nba game (could take years) and besides I fully expect Splitter to play out his contract in Europe before making a decision on the nba.

[stéphane]

Bibby seriously? I wouldn't mind trading Tony but it will mean abusing the other team to get at least equivalent value in return (in terms of fitting with our team/talent).

[TJastal]

Bibby seriously? I wouldn't mind trading Tony but it will mean abusing the other team to get at least equivalent value in return (in terms of fitting with our team/talent).

No. Bibby and Horford.

[WalterBenitez]

Is there any way to make a poll about who's gonna leave?? PLZ include RJ, BOnner, Mason, TD, Manu, TP ...we need fresh air and clean start.

[stéphane]

No. Bibby and Horford.

So you're advocating to trade our all NBA point who is in his prime for a solid but aging point who has displayed real inconsistency this season and a real good center prospect that won't ever be more than top 10 at his position who would be wasted by the aquisition of Tiago.
Again I can see the logic of wanting to trade Tony as he may command a big extension. But you don't trade away Tony for so little in return. I would puke at the sight of Bibby trying to run the spurs offense.

[TJastal]

So you're advocating to trade our all NBA point who is in his prime for a solid but aging point who has displayed real inconsistency this season and a real good center prospect that won't ever be more than top 10 at his position who would be wasted by the aquisition of Tiago.
Again I can see the logic of wanting to trade Tony as he may command a big extension. But you don't trade away Tony for so little in return. I would puke at the sight of Bibby trying to run the spurs offense.

So according to you Bibby is inconsistent, yet Parker is/was a model of consistency....excuse me while I break into hysterical laughter. :lmao

At least Bibby played in almost every game (80 games) this year and last, something Parker hasn't been able to do.

Bibby would be perfect in the role of running the spurs' offense IMO. He is a pass-first playmaker with a playoff resume a mile long who will get everyone involved in the offense. He can shoot the 3 at close to 40% which is exactly what the spurs need to space the floor. Parker does not do either of these things particularily well.

Horford would be perfect next to Tim Duncan. Splitter (if he even comes which is doubtful) will need a year or so to adjust to the nba game. Horford would come ready the moment he arrives in SA. Plug n play, baby. The time to win in the Tim Duncan era is NOW. We don't have the luxury of two more years of dicking around with unknown projects like Splitter.

[TJastal]

I should really qualify the "Bibby as playmaker" comment I made. He isn't so much a "playmaker" as he likes to push the ball in transition and find open shooters/cutters which fits better IMO with players like Manu, Hill, and Jefferson. His game reminds me alot of Jason Kidd's. And remember how good the Kidd-Jefferson combo was?

Bibby's game just fits better the way this team is currently constructed.

[stéphane]

So according to you Bibby is inconsistent, yet Parker is/was a model of consistency....excuse me while I break into hysterical laughter. :lmao

At least Bibby played in almost every game (80 games) this year and last, something Parker hasn't been able to do.

He started 80 games and haven't been injured so he's got no excuses for scoring below 10 points a game and dishing less than 4 assists in 28 minutes while shooting 41% from the field.


Bibby would be perfect in the role of running the spurs' offense IMO. He is a pass-first playmaker with a playoff resume a mile long who will get everyone involved in the offense. He can shoot the 3 at close to 40% which is exactly what the spurs need to space the floor. Parker does not do either of these things particularily well.

WOW.
You've been watching the Spurs? So we're gonna sit our almighty pass first playmaker in the corner so he can shoot the three ball?


Horford would be perfect next to Tim Duncan. Splitter (if he even comes which is doubtful) will need a year or so to adjust to the nba game. Horford would come ready the moment he arrives in SA. Plug n play, baby. The time to win in the Tim Duncan era is NOW. We don't have the luxury of two more years of dicking around with unknown projects like Splitter.

Gimme your crystal ball time to time. As your comments on Splitter make it obvious, you have no clue how good Tiago is. I like Horford too but you're obviously clueless when it comes to euro ball.

[TJastal]

He started 80 games and haven't been injured so he's got no excuses for scoring below 10 points a game and dishing less than 4 assists in 28 minutes while shooting 41% from the field.

He played the entire season the last two years... yah that was pretty much my point. Parker has missed some 50+ games in that time frame. And Bibby's not out there to provide scoring, he's a distributor mainly who shoots an occasional 3 and pushes the ball in transition. He'll fit seamlessly with Hill, Jefferson, & Manu.


Gimme your crystal ball time to time. As your comments on Splitter make it obvious, you have no clue how good Tiago is. I like Horford too but you're obviously clueless when it comes to euro ball.

Okay, so I should pencil Splitter in for what, 18/12 then? If he's so great he should have no problem beating Horford's 14/10 this year.

[Agloco]

It makes a lot more sense to trade for Chris Paul and James Posey of the Hornets for Parker and Jefferson.


Doesn't make sense for the Hornets, that's the only problem with that.

Wrong. Two large expiring contracts usually work, especially when said franchise has gone on record as wanting to cut salary and rebuild.

The real problem with this trade is that the salaries dont work. It would have to be more along the lines of a Parker/Jefferson for CP3/Okafor/<random bench guy>.

[Buddy Holly]

If NO really wants to rebuild, this works::

TP, RJ and filler (maybe Splitters rights) for CP, Okafor and David West.

[Shank]

Why would the Hornets give up their best player to another team in the same division? Same goes for the Spurs

[Agloco]

Why would the Hornets give up their best player to another team in the same division? Same goes for the Spurs

Read the two posts above yours........

Also, CP3 is an upgrade/lateral move to Parker in almost every category except getting to the rim.

[Buddy Holly]

Why would the Hornets give up their best player to another team in the same division? Same goes for the Spurs

It's just a hypothetical but to answer, because it benefits both teams.

[scottspurs]

I can't wait for the spurs to extend parker so all these trade happy fans will have nothing to talk about.

[Muser]

I have no idea, but personally I'd blow up the team even if they win it all. Trade Garnett + Pierce + Wallace + let Ray Allen walk + trade Glenn Davis + shop Perkins for a late lottery pick. Throw the MLE at Amir Johnson or Tyrus Thomas, draft Paul George, put some athletes around Rondo and hire a guy like Paul Silas if Doc doesn't want to stay.

Anyway, our off-season hasn't started yet.


Who would take an out of shape, old Sheed with his contract?

[Muser]

Okafor fucking sucks, ask any NO fan.

[mudyez]

just for fun...playing around with the mashine...actually I wnt through all the teams and thats the closest to make sense...or in other words: nothing makes sense right now:

with pistons:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2boreq8

not sure, if the pistons would handicap stuckey again, but parker could be the new face of their team...something they are lacking right now. for us it would give us the stopper to play alongside a Hill/Manu lineup...would still need a backup-PG and a big (if Splitter doesnt show up)

with bobcats:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2altkp5

...similar to the pistons trade: they get a 1A-option and face of the franchise and we get a wing, that can do it...Diop just gives us a big body to fill it out.

with blazers:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2erza36

...handing them the future, while giving us the big to start a last run and a nice young player in return

...that said: The only way Parker is going, is costcutting to package him with Jefferson...all of that for basically nothing. I think we all should hope for Parker to be not traded, but overall I trust our franchise and they will do, what is best in the long run, for Peter Holt and for guys like Timmy!

[stéphane]

Can the Bobcats sign and trade Felton to go along with Gerald Wallace in exchange for Parker and a first rounder?

[mogrovejo]

Who would take an out of shape, old Sheed with his contract?

I'd package him with some other guy. But it's a MLE contract for another year + option, let's not pretend it's some gigantic albatross.

[TDMVPDPOY]

whether to trade parker or not, this reminds me of the summer in 03 with all the big FAs, and we opportunity costed so many pieces and picks that no one came here

[LOL@MavsFan]

Go Spurs Go

[G-Dawgg]

So many people here are so against against a bosh for parker trade.. It's the only way to realistically address our frontcourt problems. I guess if you have such a hard-on for parker we could just keep him and stay the same team that got owned in the 2nd round. -Unless you unrealistically think an anderson verajao clone (splitter) is gonna bring us a championship...now thats a retarded thought. I'd trade parker for bosh in a heartbeat.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think they are so much against the trade as they are incredulous at anyone who thinks it is remotely possible.

lol Verajao comparison.

[wut]

@OP: By makes sense, do you mean like the time I saw an elephant wearing a tutu singing show tunes, then yes. :elephant

[Agloco]

Okafor fucking sucks, ask any NO fan.

Because they're the first authority on that sort of thing right? :rolleyes

[cheney212]

WTF that makes no sense lol