As of the past 2 Years... Pau > Duncan

[TheMACHINE]

As of the past 2 Years

Pau has been the BEST big man in the NBA

Who here agrees?

[HarlemHeat37]

Howard is better IMO, but Gasol has a really good argument for 2nd..it's between Pau and Dirk right now..

[dirk4mvp]

Howard is better IMO, but Gasol has a really good argument for 2nd..

And as usual, your opinions are dogshit :tu

[HarlemHeat37]

I've already beat you in many arguments involving Howard, try harder..

[dirk4mvp]

I've already beat you in many arguments involving Howard, try harder..

Find one, Vince Carter is a HOF'er.

[Cane]

A Dwight Howard that doesn't get into foul trouble and shoot 37% from the free throw line is the best big around.

Pau is definitely the 2nd. No other big has a more complete game and Gasol's confidence is sky high after that championship.

[Muser]

Truth.

[HarlemHeat37]

I've never said that Vince Carter is a HOFer..I've said that he has a good chance at making it if Orlando wins a ring and he has a big role IMO, which he would pretty much have to for them to win it..

Myself and mogro have already proven all the anti-Howard arguments wrong, you've been involved in a few of them, you still haven't given a legitimate argument..you're acting asshurt over Howard vs. Dirk, as usual..

[dirk4mvp]

I've never said that Vince Carter is a HOFer..I've said that he has a good chance at making it if Orlando wins a ring and he has a big role IMO, which he would pretty much have to for them to win it..

Myself and mogro have already proven all the anti-Howard arguments wrong, you've been involved in a few of them, you still haven't given a legitimate argument..you're acting asshurt over Howard vs. Dirk, as usual..

Being under the opinion that Carter is a HOF'er is as dumb as being under the opinion that NY is a lock to get a big time FA this summer.

[AussieFanKurt]

Pau is still a bit soft to be called the best big man

[HarlemHeat37]

Being under the opinion that Carter is a HOF'er is as dumb as being under the opinion that NY is a lock to get a big time FA this summer.

What are you mad about?..tell me..

[dirk4mvp]

What are you mad about?..tell me..

You come to that conclusion based on my posts? Weird.

[HarlemHeat37]

You said my opinions are dogshit, it's an angry post..I'm curious as to why you are mad..

[Sigz]

Who here agrees?

Who cares.


He's probably the biggest big man pussy in the NBA. Everytime he goes 'hard' to the hoop, he lets out some awful war cry that sounds like a mating whale having anal sex with a horse.

[DAF86]

Right now I agree, I don't know if that has been the case for the past two years.

[Killakobe81]

I say pau is 3rd ... torn between duncan and amare for 4th I say Duncan still especially if you say past 2 years but this year amare>duncan

[Amarelooms]

Dirk is the best PF in the game dummy...where you been?

:elephant

[Killakobe81]

I say big man right now:

1. Dwight (offense still a work in progress but growing)
2. Dirk (not traditional still crazy effective)
3. Pau (no true weakness wish he wa sMORE dominant)
4. amare (when he gets going ...relies on Nash a lot)
5. Tim cant leave him off for Bosh, Bogut etc too much respect for him ...

[Killakobe81]

I've never said that Vince Carter is a HOFer..I've said that he has a good chance at making it if Orlando wins a ring and he has a big role IMO, which he would pretty much have to for them to win it..

Myself and mogro have already proven all the anti-Howard arguments wrong, you've been involved in a few of them, you still haven't given a legitimate argument..you're acting asshurt over Howard vs. Dirk, as usual..

i agree Dwight over Dirk beacuse Howard's defense trumps Dirk's offense Howard is till improving on offense dirk's dfense will only get worse ...

[TD 21]

Nowitzki is not in the running. I wouldn't classify him with the likes of Howard, Duncan and Gasol. Completely different type of player and nowhere near the all around impact of the other three.

As for Gasol, sure, he's playing fantastic right now, but how quickly people forget that this is a guy who could never carry a team. When the Grizzlies were even semi-respectable, it was mostly because of their depth. But they never even won a playoff game in three different years. If that were Garnett or McGrady in that position, they would never live that down. Inexplicably, like his arrogance, Gasol has escaped this fact and the fact that the Spanish national team, until recently, almost always came up short when it mattered most and why? Because their best player shrunk in the biggest moments generally.

Also, despite being one of the longest players in the league, he's matched up against power forward a lot of the game because of the presence of Bynum. He doesn't have to deal with being the focal point of a teams defense or game plan either, because that responsibility falls on Bryant. Rarely is he double teamed with any degree of consistency, he's mostly played straight up by guys three-four inches smaller. Save for a select few situations, you put him on most teams and he is their center, the focal or co-focal point of the defense and I doubt he's as good as he appears to be at the moment.

All this is not to say he's not very good, but I still don't buy this notion that he's better than Duncan. When Duncan got adequate rest for a player with his age/mileage this season, he was still the best big man in the league. Why is what he did in the first half of the season mostly ignored, but when Gasol is playing at an extremely high level, it's confirmation that he's better?

[dirk4mvp]

Gasol > Duncan

Why should Gasol get punished for being in better shape/younger?

[Ghazi]

Bogut > Duncan

[ginobili's bald spot]

He's probably the biggest big man pussy in the NBA.


A big man with a pussy? Sounds like your kin of woman sigz.

[JJ Hickson]

Duncan isn't even good enough to crack the rotation on my team.

[picc84]

Howard is better IMO, but Gasol has a really good argument for 2nd..it's between Pau and Dirk right now..

Howard: PER, 23; Winshares, 1.2;
Gasol: PER, 26.5; Winshares, 2

Pau is better.

[TheManFromAcme]

Tim had his day in the sun and will go down as one if the best. Pau is at another level right now as Tim once was.

[TampaDude]

Howard: PER, 23; Winshares, 1.2;
Gasol: PER, 26.5; Winshares, 2

Pau is better.

Howard will ABUSE Pau in the Finals if they meet.

[HarlemHeat37]

Howard: PER, 23; Winshares, 1.2;
Gasol: PER, 26.5; Winshares, 2

Pau is better.

Pau has arguably had a better playoffs so far than Howard..I'm not sure if anybody has had a better playoffs than Pau so far, TBH..as overall players, Dwight has the advantage though, only Lebron and Wade have a bigger impact on the game..

You pointed out a few stats, however, you're ignoring the defensive side of the ball..Howard has an absolutely ridiculous 88 defensive rating so far in the playoffs, the best rating since Ben Wallace..he's by far the best defensive player in the NBA, levels above the rest, which is why he has the edge over other big men..

I doubt you appreciate Pau anyways..this is the same guy that continues to bash Fisher, despite his usual playoff heroics that should be expected by everybody by now, especially Laker fans..

[The Franchise]

As of the past 2 Years

Pau has been the BEST big man in the NBA

Who here agrees?

No. He's been good, but no.

[J_Paco]

Once he's the #1 guy then I'll say he's the best. Since that has yet to happen, then the answer is no.

[duhoh]

i dunno about OP, but i do agree with the title for the most part.

[jacobdrj]

Well, I would certainly agree that Pau has had more success, in large part due to his supporting cast. I mean, he has Kobe, a great closer, Odom, a versatile SF, a half decent to good C next to him in Bynum, and P-Jax keeps the scrubs usable by actually playing them.

Duncan's supporting cast is a banged up Manu (still very good, but not quite as good as Kobe right now) and Parker, who is also had a hard time coming back.

I think if you put Duncan with a supporting cast of Kobe, Odom and Bynum, and you still have a championship team. You put Pau on that Spurs squad, you might have a sweep in the second round, or maybe you get eliminated in the 1st.

[TD 21]

Tim had his day in the sun and will go down as one if the best. Pau is at another level right now as Tim once was.

Let's make one thing very clear: The current level of Howard and Gasol isn't even in the same class as a prime Duncan.

Gasol is more skilled, but Howard has more of an impact. Overall, I still give Howard the edge, but there are times when I feel like Gasol is better, which tells me that the gap isn't that wide.

[mingus]

it think Dwight has been better as well.

[TheMACHINE]

Well, I would certainly agree that Pau has had more success, in large part due to his supporting cast. I mean, he has Kobe, a great closer, Odom, a versatile SF, a half decent to good C next to him in Bynum, and P-Jax keeps the scrubs usable by actually playing them.

Duncan's supporting cast is a banged up Manu (still very good, but not quite as good as Kobe right now) and Parker, who is also had a hard time coming back.

I think if you put Duncan with a supporting cast of Kobe, Odom and Bynum, and you still have a championship team. You put Pau on that Spurs squad, you might have a sweep in the second round, or maybe you get eliminated in the 1st.

what happens if Kobe replaces Manu?

[Bob Lanier]

Howard will ABUSE Pau in the Finals if they meet.
Didn't happen last year; why would it now that Gasol is turning into an excellent rebounder?

[jacobdrj]

what happens if Kobe replaces Manu?

3rd paragraph.


I think if you put Duncan with a supporting cast of Kobe, Odom and Bynum, and you still have a championship team. You put Pau on that Spurs squad, you might have a sweep in the second round, or maybe you get eliminated in the 1st.

[Giuseppe]

Amare helping Duncan up after breaking his ass was sad & indicative of the decay in Duncan's game. A.) Duncan shouldn't a let him. B.) See A.

[Muser]

Tim had his day in the sun and will go down as one if the best. Pau is at another level right now as Tim once was.

lol no.

[21_Blessings]

Pau is nowhere near prime Duncan. Laughable.

Dwight is easily the better player as well. You'd be crazy not to take him either since he's a tank that rarely misses game. His lack of a reliable post-game would be a complete non-issue with his ability to grab offensive rebounds. Let Kobe draw 2-3 guys on the block while Howard mops up the alley-oops and put backs. It would be unfair.

[Vertical]

Bogut > Gasol> Duncan

:toast

[Agloco]

As of the past 2 Years

Pau has been the BEST big man in the NBA

Who here agrees?

Dirk, Howard?

[Agloco]

Tim had his day in the sun and will go down as one if the best. Pau is at another level right now as Tim once was.

This is just pathetic. :rolleyes

[21_Blessings]

Dirk isn't a big. He's a 6'11 shooting guard with a tiny dick.

[RsxPiimp]

Howard will ABUSE Pau in the Finals if they meet.

Didnt happen last year, but I have a feeling it will be the case this year.

[TinTin]

tim had his day in the sun and will go down as one if the best. Pau is at another level right now as tim once was.

lol what

[dirk4mvp]

Dirk isn't a big. He's a 6'11 shooting guard with a tiny dick.

Who's still a better player than Gasol

lol can't win a playoff game by himself

[TheManFromAcme]

This is just pathetic. :rolleyes

So is Tim as serviceable as Pau is right now?
I am not bashing Tim whatsoever. Just stating that Tim's slight decline started right at or in 2008.

The last 2 years to include this one. Look at all the chippys Tim missed during the Suns series. There was a time when Tim missing those kinds of shots was not happening. It's not just this year that Tim has been on the downside. He's been at this pace the last 2 seasons.

No hate. Just pointing out.

Geesh.

[ambchang]

We already know, it's just simple logic.

Fact: Kobe can't win anything without a top-flight big man.
Fact: Kobe won 4 championships - 00,01,02,09.
Fact: Shaq was the top flight big who carried Kobe to championships in 00-02.

Therefore: There is a top flight big on the 09 Lakers.

Fact: 09 Lakers had Bynum and Gasol as their primary bigs.
Fact: Bynum sucked in 09.

Therefore: Gasol was a top flight big in 09.

Fact: Duncan wasn't a top flight big in 09.

Thus: Pau > Duncan in 09.

[Leetonidas]

Yeah, I'll give it to you that a prime Gasol is barely better than a 34 year old Duncan. :lmao You Laker fans should be proud.

[TheMACHINE]

We already know, it's just simple logic.

Fact: Kobe can't win anything without a top-flight big man.
Fact: Kobe won 4 championships - 00,01,02,09.
Fact: Shaq was the top flight big who carried Kobe to championships in 00-02.

Therefore: There is a top flight big on the 09 Lakers.

Fact: 09 Lakers had Bynum and Gasol as their primary bigs.
Fact: Bynum sucked in 09.

Therefore: Gasol was a top flight big in 09.

Fact: Duncan wasn't a top flight big in 09.

Thus: Pau > Duncan in 09.

i knew i was right.... even Ambchang agrees.

[ambchang]

Yes, Duncan has been slipping the last few years, especially with all the injuries he suffered in 09.

But of course, a 33 year old Duncan playing on bad wheels was only slightly worse than Pau, who is the heart and soul of the Lakers success.

[TheManFromAcme]

Yes, Duncan has been slipping the last few years, especially with all the injuries he suffered in 09.

But of course, a 33 year old Duncan playing on bad wheels was only slightly worse than Pau, who is the heart and soul of the Lakers success.

I'll agree. I am not saying Tim is over and done with but his decline is evident.

[Agloco]

So is Tim as serviceable as Pau is right now?
I am not bashing Tim whatsoever. Just stating that Tim's slight decline started right at or in 2008.

The last 2 years to include this one. Look at all the chippys Tim missed during the Suns series. There was a time when Tim missing those kinds of shots was not happening. It's not just this year that Tim has been on the downside. He's been at this pace the last 2 seasons.

No hate. Just pointing out.

Geesh.


Yes, Duncan has been slipping the last few years, especially with all the injuries he suffered in 09.

But of course, a 33 year old Duncan playing on bad wheels was only slightly worse than Pau, who is the heart and soul of the Lakers success.


I'll agree. I am not saying Tim is over and done with but his decline is evident.

Apparently he is. And you agree.

[Agloco]

Tim had his day in the sun and will go down as one if the best. Pau is at another level right now as Tim once was.


This is just pathetic. :rolleyes


So is Tim as serviceable as Pau is right now?
I am not bashing Tim whatsoever. Just stating that Tim's slight decline started right at or in 2008.

The last 2 years to include this one. Look at all the chippys Tim missed during the Suns series. There was a time when Tim missing those kinds of shots was not happening. It's not just this year that Tim has been on the downside. He's been at this pace the last 2 seasons.

No hate. Just pointing out.

Geesh.

If that's all you meant, then there's a case for what you posted. I took it to mean that Pau is playing at the same level skillwise that Timmy played at for all of those years. Sorry if I misunderstood.

[rmt]

Well, the 34 year old Duncan does have 4 championships as the #1 guy and multiple deep, post-season runs (at higher intensity) compared to Gasol who never got out of the 1st round before going to LA. So, that's a lot of mileage (probably 2 extra years) added on to those knees.

The past 2 years, I've thought that Duncan was done at the end of the season but he comes back each year with great performances before the ASB. At one point earlier this last year he was 2nd in PER behind Lebron. He just can't keep it up for the whole season + playoffs. Last year, having to carry the team with both Parker and Manu out and this year while everybody adjusted + injuries was asking too much at this stage of his career. Still, 18/10 in 31 minutes isn't too shabby - adjusted for mins., it's probably the same as his career numbers.

But yes, the past 2 years, Pau > Duncan. He looks soooo slow.

[TheManFromAcme]

If that's all you meant, then there's a case for what you posted. I took it to mean that Pau is playing at the same level skillwise that Timmy played at for all of those years. Sorry if I misunderstood.

I may have conveyed it wrong and if I did, my apologies. :toast

[TD 21]

Gasol is better than Nowitzki. What is with the Nowitzki obsession? The guy is one dimensional. Gasol is a better post scorer, team defender, individual defender, rebounder, passer, shot blocker, etc. and in most cases, by a wide margin. What does Nowitzki have on Gasol other than shooting/scoring?

Not that the gap between Gasol and Nowitzki is as wide as the gap between Wade and Allen, but it's a similar example. Is Allen better than Wade because he's a better shooter? Of course not, because that would be overlooking the fact that Wade is better at almost everything imaginable and by a wide margin. So why would Nowitzki be better than Gasol? It's not like Nowitzki has proven on the biggest stage that he can carry a team and Gasol hasn't; neither has. There isn't a case to be made and the only reasoning I can think of is Nowitzki has been at an elite or near elite level far longer than Gasol has. That or people are fooled by the amount of points Nowitzki scores.

Howard, Duncan and Gasol are a cut above Nowitzki, Stoudemire, Bosh.

[picc84]

I was on the Dirk > Pau train too, until recently. Gasol seems to be improving, and his all-around game might make him a better prospect than Dirk's great one-dimensionality.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Pau is better than Duncan now. Why do you think they're going to the finals so easily?

That's why its so laughable that Kobe gets even half the credit for the Lakers success.



lol the new jordan not even being the best player on his team :lol

[Brazil]

I say big man right now:

1. Dwight (offense still a work in progress but growing)
2. Dirk (not traditional still crazy effective)
3. Pau (no true weakness wish he wa sMORE dominant)
4. amare (when he gets going ...relies on Nash a lot)
5. Tim cant leave him off for Bosh, Bogut etc too much respect for him ...

pretty solid I know mavs fans won't be happy but I'd switch dirk and pau and maybe cauz I'm homer I'd put tim at 4 and amare at 5

[TD 21]

They're going to the finals so easily because they have three of the best bigs in the entire league on one team; no other contender even has two. On top of that, they have one of the best perimeter players in the league, who's a fail safe scorer and proven closer to take them home. Good as Gasol is, you put Duncan in for him and the Lakers are doing exactly what they're doing now, only they'd have had a better chance to win in '08.

Someone give a legitimate argument (if it's possible) as to why Nowitzki is supposedly better than Gasol and Duncan? You know, guys that do so much more than score, unlike him.

[024]

i'd say pau>duncan the past two years but he's certainly not the best bigman in the game. top 5 though.