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05-12-2010, 12:14 PM
The Spurs want to get more athletic and are said to be interested in restricted free agent forward Rudy Gay.
via New York Daily News
This could be a great move for the Spurs. Do you guys think it would be possible to get a sign & trade deal done with the Grizzlies. They sign him to a contract we would like and then we send them Jefferson who is like a 14-15M expiring plus maybe cash or picks or something. The Spurs should really take a look at this, look at the Lakers/Grizzlies deal a couple years ago, anything can happen.
tdunk21
05-12-2010, 12:16 PM
do it x1000....gay is perfect fit for the system....and he is a defensive minded player.....
dastrey
05-12-2010, 12:35 PM
He would definitely help the Spurs, but not at $10+ million a season. The Spurs would be better off drafting a SF at pick #20 and paying him a rookie salary. Overpaying for a small forward can really hurt a team from filling out the more important positions.
FalleNxWiZarDx
05-12-2010, 12:35 PM
Gay > DICK
Budkin
05-12-2010, 12:38 PM
Holy shit that would be amazing.
sananspursfan21
05-12-2010, 12:38 PM
Gay > DICK
well duh lol
yah, i always thought he'd be great for the spurs, but i never really said anything cuz i kinda figured he'd be a griz for life. really hope it happens!
Mark in Austin
05-12-2010, 12:39 PM
...and he is a defensive minded player.....
Huh? :lol
lefty
05-12-2010, 12:41 PM
I prefer Orange Juice and Mayonnaise
I <3 SPURS
05-12-2010, 12:42 PM
I think that it would be reasonable for the Spurs to pay him 10+M a year, maybe around 11M for like 5-6 years because this can be our future star. He already is a leader on the Grizzlies at age 22-23 and just imagine what kind of firepower he can give the Spurs, scorer, plays defense, we can even develop him, just look at what happened to Georgie in a year. If we can pay Jefferson 14M for a year and basically a role player who averaged 9 points in the playoffs we can afford to pay him 60-70M for 5-6 years.
That would be slick, but almost too good to be true. Who would Memphis want, and what would be their incentive?
tdunk21
05-12-2010, 12:50 PM
Huh? :lol
that shows how much u know about him :rolleyes
gay averaged 19.6ppg, 5.9rpg, 1.5 stealspg and 0.8blockspg for the griz...those are pretty good numbers for a SF...
sa_butta
05-12-2010, 12:58 PM
that shows how much u know about him :rolleyes
gay averaged 19.6ppg, 5.9rpg, 1.5 stealspg and 0.8blockspg for the griz...those are pretty good numbers for a SF...
19.6ppg, 4.6rpg, .8steals pg and .2blocks pg for Richard Jefferson as a Buck....
means nothing until he does it for the Spurs.
Rudy is the #1 option for the Griz and so was Jefferson with the Bucks. Im not saying not to pursue him, but this is just a warning label.
tdunk21
05-12-2010, 01:02 PM
19.6ppg, 4.6rpg, .8steals pg and .2blocks pg for Richard Jefferson as a Buck....
means nothing until he does it for the Spurs.
Rudy is the #1 option for the Griz and so was Jefferson with the Bucks. Im not saying not to pursue him, but this is just a warning label.
would u agree gay is much younger and much athletic compared to richard...and moreover richard was askd to defend well being a 4th scoring option on the team...
mabrignani
05-12-2010, 01:08 PM
we already have a gay, its richard jefferson...adding anymore gays to the roster would turn us into the FAB 5
Ditty
05-12-2010, 01:08 PM
o damn that would be sick and can shoot also but a restricted free agent I wonder how that could work hes a 10 million a year player could do they do a sign and trade for jefferson?
beachwood
05-12-2010, 01:11 PM
This could be a great move for the Spurs. Do you guys think it would be possible to get a sign & trade deal done with the Grizzlies. They sign him to a contract we would like and then we send them Jefferson who is like a 14-15M expiring plus maybe cash or picks or something. The Spurs should really take a look at this, look at the Lakers/Grizzlies deal a couple years ago, anything can happen.
Yes, yes and yes. RJ straight up for Gay? Hell yeah.
Supergirl
05-12-2010, 01:16 PM
well if we could get Gay for RJ, it's worth a gamble. But Gay isn't worth parting with Parker, Manu, TD, Blair, or Hill.
Agloco
05-12-2010, 01:17 PM
Holy shit that would be amazing.
Unfortunately, it would cost us "you know who"......
That's the Spurs conundrum really, to trade Parker means that we need a solid PG in return. Perhaps we could throw RJeffs expiring out there and see if they bite. That would require us to take another random scrub making at least 2.5-3 mil per from them though......
i would not trade parker for gay.
angelbelow
05-12-2010, 01:21 PM
Gay is a better shooter and defender.. but Im not sure he would have the type of impact everyone expects. We would have to sign him long term and if he doesnt work out like RJ didnt - he would be a lot harder to trade.
Agloco
05-12-2010, 01:23 PM
o damn that would be sick and can shoot also but a restricted free agent I wonder how that could work hes a 10 million a year player could do they do a sign and trade for jefferson?
Yes, yes and yes. RJ straight up for Gay? Hell yeah.
Salaries dont work. You'd necessarily need to take another contract off the Grizzlies hands. Also, what do you offer Gay? The 10 ml he was making with the Grizz? More?
That's going to be up to the Grizzlies unfortunately. Gay is restricted.
Leetonidas
05-12-2010, 01:28 PM
LMAO @ everyone getting their panties in a wad over Rudy fucking Gay. He's a defensive minded player? WTF!!! No, he is a chucker. The Spurs system could help him out and he probably is better than Dick but he certainly isn't a defense first guy.
eyeh8u
05-12-2010, 01:38 PM
LMAO @ everyone getting their panties in a wad over Rudy fucking Gay. He's a defensive minded player? WTF!!! No, he is a chucker. The Spurs system could help him out and he probably is better than Dick but he certainly isn't a defense first guy.
i feel the same way, to quote Singletary, I want winners.
Muser
05-12-2010, 01:45 PM
Mayo would be fucking sweet, Gay? No thanks.
ducks
05-12-2010, 01:47 PM
hill..20 pick for gay
mingus
05-12-2010, 01:52 PM
great food for thought. it'd be great. he can spread the floor. not sure how good he defensively. he's young.
i wouldn't trade Parker for him, though. people forget parker helped us win 3 championships, and he's still in his prime. he was just injured this year, and his game didn't co-exist well th RJ's at all. once hes able to be play in a more spread offense we'll see a totally different TP, and team for that matter. you don't trade tp for him. Hill, fine; RJ, definitely.
Shifty
05-12-2010, 02:01 PM
Has anyone stop and think why would the Grizzlies trade Gay to us? They sure wouldn't want to get rid of him unless they can get something good back. Something very good. Something the Spurs don't have outside the big 3.
ffadicted
05-12-2010, 02:47 PM
People have to understand that nobody gives a fuck about expirings during the offseason lol. 2010 is here people, it was an anomaly, teams are no longer trying to open capspace two years in advance.
No one wants RJ or his contract until at least the start of 2011
Leetonidas
05-12-2010, 03:05 PM
Has anyone stop and think why would the Grizzlies trade Gay to us? They sure wouldn't want to get rid of him unless they can get something good back. Something very good. Something the Spurs don't have outside the big 3.
Because he's a RFA and he's by no means "untouchable." He's not even THAT good, a solid #4 option or decent #3 on a good team. Plus he's a chucker and would want a lot of touches. This isn't LeBron James they're coddling, it's Rudy Gay.
Any deal involving Parker I say HELL NO to.
Texas_Ranger
05-12-2010, 03:12 PM
For Jefferson yes, for Parker no.
sa_butta
05-12-2010, 03:17 PM
would u agree gay is much younger and much athletic compared to richard...and moreover richard was askd to defend well being a 4th scoring option on the team...
Yes, my point was his stats as a Grizzly mean nothing.
yavozerb
05-12-2010, 03:19 PM
OJ yes, Gay no....Gay only shot 32% on 3pt shots..no thanks
senorglory
05-12-2010, 03:24 PM
do it x1000....gay is perfect fit for the system....and he is a defensive minded player.....
Huh? :lol
I don't think Gay has a reputation as a defender.
K-State Spur
05-12-2010, 03:24 PM
19.6ppg, 4.6rpg, .8steals pg and .2blocks pg for Richard Jefferson as a Buck....
means nothing until he does it for the Spurs.
Rudy is the #1 option for the Griz and so was Jefferson with the Bucks. Im not saying not to pursue him, but this is just a warning label.
Not exactly apples to apples.
Jefferson was closer to the "only" option on the Bucks as he was the #1. Gay actually was behind Randolph in shots/game for the Griz.
In addition to Randolph, Mayo and Gasol both command a lot of touches - so Gay has had to work on scoring while not always commanding the ball.
The only thing that would bother me is that he is not a particularly good 3 pt shooter, but still shoots volume out there.
baseline bum
05-12-2010, 03:25 PM
We have enough gays on the team. Seriously, a shot chucker like Gay isn't what the team needs. They need a mobile big and swingman who can shoot and guard a couple of positions satisfactorily, and maybe another shooter to bring off the bench.
tmtcsc
05-12-2010, 04:03 PM
I'd rather have Mayo than Gay. Gay fell out of favor with Memphis this year.
Spursmania
05-12-2010, 04:58 PM
That would be slick, but almost too good to be true. Who would Memphis want, and what would be their incentive?
Mason, Bonner and Bogans:p:
Do it Grizzlies.
SenorSpur
05-12-2010, 05:17 PM
Rudy is my guy. THAT is the player I had hoped the Spurs would target. I don't see how it's possible without a sign-n-trade, but if the Spurs could somehow swap our RJ's expiring contract for Rudy and whatever, that would be boss.
DPG21920
05-12-2010, 05:29 PM
No thanks. I like him for what he is, but he would not fit this team or help enough where we need it. Sure, if you could get him for some steal, then ok, but that won't be the case.
duhoh
05-12-2010, 05:48 PM
that shows how much u know about him :rolleyes
gay averaged 19.6ppg, 5.9rpg, 1.5 stealspg and 0.8blockspg for the griz...those are pretty good numbers for a SF...
you really think gay is a defender?
he has the tools, but to believe he is, what does that make someone like battier? jesus?
tdunk21
05-12-2010, 05:56 PM
you really think gay is a defender?
he has the tools, but to believe he is, what does that make someone like battier? jesus?
gay is not better than battier...but he is young(24yrs) and i believe he can get there...
SenorSpur
05-12-2010, 06:24 PM
:downspin:
gay is not better than battier...but he is young(24yrs) and i believe he can get there...
He's better than RJ.
The comparison to Battier makes no sense because the Rockets aren't stupid to make the mistake RC made and giving away a good player inside their division, the same way the Spurs did with Scola.
DPG21920
05-12-2010, 06:27 PM
Gay has more talent than RJ and Battier, no question.
spursfan1000
05-12-2010, 06:47 PM
I would love for Gay to be on the Spurs, he has a nice jumper and attacks very good. I don't know but if we could get David Lee , eddy curry and Rudy Gay for Parker RJ deal I would be all over it!
spursfan1000
05-12-2010, 06:48 PM
gay is not better than battier...but he is young(24yrs) and i believe he can get there...
On defense yes Battier but on offense Gay is in another league then Battier. Overall Gay > Battier and RJ.
jimo2305
05-12-2010, 07:04 PM
we already have a gay, its richard jefferson...adding anymore gays to the roster would turn us into the FAB 5
this post just made my day..
crc21209
05-12-2010, 07:12 PM
Gay has more talent than RJ and Battier, no question.
+1. He's a more talented player OVERALL than RJ. He plays better D and is a better mid-range shooter than RJ as well...
bigbendbruisebrother
05-12-2010, 07:13 PM
What team in their right mind would want RJ's contract? Disregarding whether or not he sucks as bad as we think, that ginormous expiring contract isn't going to be easy to unload. I was just hoping he'd opt out and we could be done with him and chase some other talent.
That Suns series really opened my eyes to the talent in this league. Who knew Channing Fry, and Dudley (who the fuck is Dudley) were so clutch? We need some guys like that. Rudy Gay has torched us before. He's bound to be a better fit than RJ.
E-RockWill
05-12-2010, 07:17 PM
Gay > DICK
best post EVER
ManuTastic
05-12-2010, 08:21 PM
Gay is very high on everyone's list. Meaning, he won't come here cuz we'll be outbid.
Shifty
05-12-2010, 08:36 PM
Because he's a RFA and he's by no means "untouchable." He's not even THAT good, a solid #4 option or decent #3 on a good team. Plus he's a chucker and would want a lot of touches. This isn't LeBron James they're coddling, it's Rudy Gay.
Any deal involving Parker I say HELL NO to.
Again. Why would they want to trade with us? If I'm the Grizzlies and you offer me any player from the Spurs outside of the big 3 and I would hang the phone in a second. You want a borderline all-star but you are not willing equal talent back when other teams can and probably will.
The only thing the Memphis might be interested would be a package of both Hill and Blair, but we would turn it down as fast as they would with anything else. Plus we wouldn't take a salary as high as Gay's (even if we get him cheap) without dumping some of our own. That leaves...
RJ could be something they might be interested in but why would they? They are up and coming team maybe 1 or 2 decent players away from being the OKC of 2011, no way they go after a salary dump like RJ.
LakerHater
05-12-2010, 08:46 PM
we already have a gay, its richard jefferson...adding anymore gays to the roster would turn us into the FAB 5
Heres another Gay, checkin out RJ's ass!
http://209.160.24.97/ds_img_direct.php?i=gaytemple.jpg&t=8&d=1fjdcjav7c&x=360&y=480&l1=169&l2=61
outmap
05-12-2010, 09:21 PM
How about Granger? Indy has been shopping him last year. Can play O and D, can switch the 3 and 4 efficiently. Only downside is he has been injury prone, it's a high reward gamble for the Spurs though.
ned_ryerson
05-12-2010, 10:58 PM
fell out of favor with memphis?! no way, if anything joe mayo did.
heisley will let gay walk before he takes on a huge contract just to keep from losing him for nothing. he says he's willing to pay what it takes to keep him, but that ronnie brewer trade has been interpreted by most fans as an insurance policy in case he does get a max offer.
as far as scoring goes, he leads the second tier right under james, durant, anthony. i always thought he and chris paul would make the perfect 1-2 punch. the guy's a little-to-no-effort defender, though. he has the ability based on his athleticism and size, but some guys just can't stay focused on both ends.
the grizzlies need 3 point shooting more than anything, and obviously the spurs don't have it. parker is a bad fit since mayo is working on becoming a point guard (i don't believe he will ever get there, but they'll probably give him spot minutes this year).
itzsoweezee
05-12-2010, 11:29 PM
Hell no. Gay would be a horrible fit for the Spurs.
For one thing, he's a ballhog who thinks he's better than he is. And LOL at the people claiming he's defensive-minded. The guy could not care less about defense.
There are few players would be worse fits on the Spurs than Rudy Gay. The guy will not make this team better.
LakerHater
05-13-2010, 12:32 AM
How about Granger? Indy has been shopping him last year. Can play O and D, can switch the 3 and 4 efficiently. Only downside is he has been injury prone, it's a high reward gamble for the Spurs though.
Isnt Granger a FA?
TDMVPDPOY
05-13-2010, 01:00 AM
granger for hill do it....hill gets to go home to indiana
Mason, Bonner and Bogans:p:
Do it Grizzlies.
We'd have to give up Parker and ask for nothing in return before the Grizz would take those three jinxed idols.
BG_Spurs_Fan
05-13-2010, 02:23 AM
Gay is a chucker, a bad defender, can't shoot the 3 and would require a big salary and long term contract, all in all you'd be hard pressed to find a worse fit for the Spurs.I don't understand why people think Grizzlies would take RJ's contract in a S&T, though, it's mind-boggling to read suggestions like that and people seem quite serious about it, not just trolling. WTF!?
Gervin44Silas13
05-13-2010, 07:14 AM
That's funny......
A spurs jersey with the name GAY on the back.
LMAO!
jdev82
05-13-2010, 07:31 AM
That would be slick, but almost too good to be true. Who would Memphis want, and what would be their incentive?
the incentive to trade him would be the fact that he cant lead a team to shit and hell never help them win anything while hes there
Pauleta14
05-13-2010, 08:00 AM
How about Granger? Indy has been shopping him last year. Can play O and D, can switch the 3 and 4 efficiently. Only downside is he has been injury prone, it's a high reward gamble for the Spurs though.
I would love D.Granger!!!! he is a warrior...
But he is going to ask for a max deal and will probably end end in NY if they fail to get Lebron...
sa_butta
05-13-2010, 08:39 AM
I think we need to find a better 3 point shooter, we really have no reliable 3 point shooters aside from maybe Ginobili and Hill.
outmap
05-13-2010, 08:51 AM
Isnt Granger a FA?
I would love D.Granger!!!! he is a warrior...
But he is going to ask for a max deal and will probably end end in NY if they fail to get Lebron...
AFAIK he is signed to a long term deal, that's why the Pacers tried to unload him last year, because of that contract and his injuries.
It would be a gamble for the Spurs, but a high reward if he stays healthy.
:flag:
Brazil
05-13-2010, 09:39 AM
Granger ? lol of course then we go after bosh and we are set
JonNOKC
05-13-2010, 09:39 AM
If you can get Granger it is a NO BRAINIER - when healthy he is a top 10 scorer in this league - in fact on per 48 basis he is tied as 4th best scorer in league and has reasonable long term contract - injuries have been only issue - NOT sure why Pacers would want to move him (hes just entering his prime) but if you could make it happen then I would move obviously RJ and 1st round pick and would consider Parker depending on what the total package involved - as I said don't see anything happening thats a big splash this summer but Granger would be PERFECT!
Edit: Looking around net I see nothing showing the Pacers being remotely interested in moving Granger - the only report was the A. Jefferson for Granger report that they immediately said no according to one report and another report says they never even discussed trading Granger
Riverwalkman
05-13-2010, 11:41 AM
No, he needs to take 3 to 4 years to understand what is team work.
How is that supposed to help Spurs perimeter D and post D?
lefty
05-13-2010, 11:43 AM
Since the defending champions are gay, it makes sense for the Spurs to add someone whose name is Gay
duhoh
05-14-2010, 12:53 AM
:downspin:
He's better than RJ.
The comparison to Battier makes no sense because the Rockets aren't stupid to make the mistake RC made and giving away a good player inside their division, the same way the Spurs did with Scola.
i meant in defensive prowess, in plain english.
SenorSpur
05-14-2010, 01:02 AM
i meant in defensive prowess, in plain english.
Battier is certainly a better defender, but Gay is a better all-around player than both RJ and Battier. Is that plain enough - in English?
D. Nile
05-14-2010, 01:04 AM
I know pommy and that's not pommy.
Toodle pip!
mountainballer
05-14-2010, 03:12 AM
Gay is a chucker, a bad defender, can't shoot the 3 and would require a big salary and long term contract, all in all you'd be hard pressed to find a worse fit for the Spurs.I don't understand why people think Grizzlies would take RJ's contract in a S&T, though, it's mind-boggling to read suggestions like that and people seem quite serious about it, not just trolling. WTF!?
yeah. and we are not yet in the we-could-also-get-a-lottery-pick-out-of-this phase.
Grizzlies will listen to Spurs about a S&T for Gay.
the talking starts with RJ + Hill + #20 pick.
but like BG I'm not that high on Gay. what scares me most is his ball hog attitude.
yeah. and we are not yet in the we-could-also-get-a-lottery-pick-out-of-this phase.
Grizzlies will listen to Spurs about a S&T for Gay.
the talking starts with RJ + Hill + #20 pick.
but like BG I'm not that high on Gay. what scares me most is his ball hog attitude.
RJ + pick and done deal for me. Hill is too valueable and his status is likely untouchable.
BG_Spurs_Fan
05-14-2010, 04:05 AM
RJ + pick and done deal for me. Hill is too valueable and his status is likely untouchable.
Why would the Grizzlies do it? RJ('s contract) has a negative trade value right now - you can only trade him for players with longer contracts, who are deemed 'bad' by their teams. Gay is a FA, it's not like the Grizzlies would need to salary dump him? You don't think they'd much rather have 15 mil in cap space than RJ? Or paying 15 mil to RJ for the 20th pick, which they can buy for about 3 mil max if they want to?
MateoNeygro
05-14-2010, 07:59 AM
Would ya'll consider Blair and Jefferson? JW I don't want to figure out the financial possibility but if that's what they wanted. Would ya'll bite?
Buddy Holly
05-14-2010, 08:32 AM
What about:
Tony + RJ + 20th for Gay + Conley + 12th
Shank
05-14-2010, 08:32 AM
A single line in the NY Daily News doesn't qualify as a viable resource.
Steve-O-Matic
05-14-2010, 11:49 AM
do it x1000....gay is perfect fit for the system....and he is a defensive minded player.....
ESPN Insider Scouting report: Gay is 6-9 with long arms and good leaping ability, so he should be an excellent defensive player. Instead, he's terrible, as his effort level fails to rival his talent level. His size grants him an edge in challenging shots and he'll pick up blocks and steals. However, he tends to give up as soon as he hits a screen, especially off the ball, and opponents beat him off the dribble much more easily than one would expect.
Additionally, he's an unmotivated help defender who usually just hangs out on the weak side. The proof is in the pudding: The Grizzlies allowed 9.3 points more per 100 possessions with him on the court, even worse than his 8.0 differential from a year earlier.
Flux451
05-14-2010, 02:55 PM
i'd take rudy fernandez
Rudy and Manu would be fun to watch.
HILL, TP, MANU RUDY GEE looks pretty good on papel
EmantheSpursFan
05-14-2010, 03:03 PM
^^^^
I posted this trade on a different thread but here it is again, since i agree manu rudy tony hill would crazy...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25flosh
Imagine
Greg Oden, Splitter, (Bonner?)
Tim Duncan, Blair, (Ian?)
RJ, (bogans, gee?) Draft Pick
Manu, Rudy Fernandez
Tony, Hill, (temple?)
Wild Card: Nando De Colo, Raja Bell
Portland Will have more veteran experience and consistency with Dice
and will get a great point guard in Harris.
I can see NJ doing this if they land Wall, they fill roster with low salaries and very good young talent. Luring enough to land a Big time free agent? IDK but it would definitely make them better.
Its risky for the spurs especially with Odens constant health concerns but i think its a gamble worth the risk
if we can dream maybe we could pull something off with houston. I think they're shopping soft yao around. If he has a healthy season he can be very good taking the pressure off him next to the big three. put battier in and you have a team right there.
Parker?
Manu
Battier
TD
Yao
And all of the sudden you a have a Gasol and a Bynum stopper, an a proven great KOBE defender
phxspurfan
05-14-2010, 04:13 PM
No, no no...we need a wing defender and 3 point shooter. Things Bruce did that we lost. We need a guy like Steve Novak or Korver. And then we need a idunno Sefolosha (I know it's gonna be hard to get him, esp now that he's on all-defense team) or play Hairston more and hope he turns into a good defender and not go after every block.
phxspurfan
05-14-2010, 04:16 PM
Rudy and Manu would be fun to watch.
HILL, TP, MANU RUDY GEE looks pretty good on papel
Spanish Manu and OG Manu would be fun to watch. And SPanish Manu can shoot the 3. Maybe we can ask Pritchard for a favor.
Arrowch4
05-14-2010, 04:42 PM
OJ yes, Gay no....Gay only shot 32% on 3pt shots..no thanks
But he did shoot 75% from the foul line. Just sayin...
jimo2305
05-14-2010, 04:45 PM
hell i'd go gay for rudy gay!
K-State Spur
05-14-2010, 06:29 PM
But he did shoot 75% from the foul line. Just sayin...
No offense, but looking at your sig and LOL @ the '22 & '23 banners in AFH. Kudos on the other 3 though.
Spursfan092120
05-14-2010, 06:33 PM
via New York Daily News
Say no more
duhoh
05-17-2010, 08:56 PM
Battier is certainly a better defender, but Gay is a better all-around player than both RJ and Battier. Is that plain enough - in English?
agreed, and pretty good english there :lol
battier = amazing work ethic on defense. anyone who can get in the mamba's head (although not on purpose) is a top-tier defender. probably the classiest guy in the league. never whines at refs. someone who shuts up and hustles his tail off every possession. that is a valuable commodity on any team.
gay = spectacular athlete, though perennial underachiever on defense. he would not fit well in SA at all. i see blown defensive rotations all the time by this kid. while points may increase over RJ, everything else would be lateral at best. one of the worst defenders ever at his size. watch a memphis game. no effort on defense, unless it's a easy block. there's a reason why the grizz were fodder for so long. z-bo and gasol are shaping up nicely, mayo is doing his thing, and he isn't improving at all.
SenorSpur
05-17-2010, 09:09 PM
agreed, and pretty good english there :lol
battier = amazing work ethic on defense. anyone who can get in the mamba's head (although not on purpose) is a top-tier defender. probably the classiest guy in the league. never whines at refs. someone who shuts up and hustles his tail off every possession. that is a valuable commodity on any team.
gay = spectacular athlete, though perennial underachiever on defense. he would not fit well in SA at all. i see blown defensive rotations all the time by this kid. while points may increase over RJ, everything else would be lateral at best. one of the worst defenders ever at his size. watch a memphis game. no effort on defense, unless it's a easy block. there's a reason why the grizz were fodder for so long. z-bo and gasol are shaping up nicely, mayo is doing his thing, and he isn't improving at all.
Great points and all very true about Gay. However one thing to remember, he's played for Memphis. That means he's never played in structured, complex system and that emphasizes sound defensive strategties. I would go further to assume he's never been taught or had to learn basic defensive principles. That would certainly change under Pop - abeit not overnight. There's no doubt he'd be a maddening player to coach initially.
SpurOutofTownFan
05-17-2010, 09:12 PM
Battier I think it's better and cheaper
SpurCharger
05-17-2010, 09:34 PM
Yes I would be all for this..... Gay Over Dick jeff Any day
Big P
05-17-2010, 09:46 PM
agreed, and pretty good english there :lol
battier = amazing work ethic on defense. anyone who can get in the mamba's head (although not on purpose) is a top-tier defender. probably the classiest guy in the league. never whines at refs. someone who shuts up and hustles his tail off every possession. that is a valuable commodity on any team.
gay = spectacular athlete, though perennial underachiever on defense. he would not fit well in SA at all. i see blown defensive rotations all the time by this kid. while points may increase over RJ, everything else would be lateral at best. one of the worst defenders ever at his size. watch a memphis game. no effort on defense, unless it's a easy block. there's a reason why the grizz were fodder for so long. z-bo and gasol are shaping up nicely, mayo is doing his thing, and he isn't improving at all.
You seriously just called him mamba? lol
Its also important to point out that Gay is 8 years younger than battier...If the Spurs are in reload mode, Rudy Gay would be the guy to target.
5in10
05-17-2010, 10:57 PM
Rather have Anthony Randolph.
crc21209
05-17-2010, 10:58 PM
No, no no...we need a wing defender and 3 point shooter. Things Bruce did that we lost. We need a guy like Steve Novak or Korver. And then we need a idunno Sefolosha (I know it's gonna be hard to get him, esp now that he's on all-defense team) or play Hairston more and hope he turns into a good defender and not go after every block.
Steve Novak? :lmao
Vic Petro
05-18-2010, 12:33 AM
They won't be able to trade Jefferson so they'll be stuck trying to find cheap options with high upside, assuming they give Splitter the full MLE. If we get Splitter the big man rotation is essentially set minus the stretch 4. Duncan/McDyess/Splitter/Blair are guaranteed minutes, and I bet we're faced with another year of Bonner. Pop needs that stretch 4, and unless we can find one in the draft (can't) then it's either Bonner or someone better than him for the same money. I don't think Pop will trust anyone to learn the system quickly enough to let his boy Bonner walk.
So in the draft they concentrate on wing defense and shooting. The only additions this year will be Splitter and rookies.
duhoh
05-18-2010, 10:43 AM
Great points and all very true about Gay. However one thing to remember, he's played for Memphis. That means he's never played in structured, complex system and that emphasizes sound defensive strategties. I would go further to assume he's never been taught or had to learn basic defensive principles. That would certainly change under Pop - abeit not overnight. There's no doubt he'd be a maddening player to coach initially.
:tu
good point, but i'd have to see it happening. the kid thinks he's worth more than he's making though, so we'll have to wait and see
Steve Novak? :lmao
IKR! man, novak is like bonner, only he's made like 1 or 2 clutch threes
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